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Yas
2003-11-23 19:06:54 EST
Israel's Bloody Excesses
Was Einstein Right?
By JOHN CHUCKMAN

"My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a
Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no
matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain --
especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own
ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a
Jewish state."

Albert Einstein

Einstein is one of my favorite twentieth-century characters. He was
remarkable, and I don't mean only for his profound contributions to our
understanding of the physical world. He was someone who drove authoritarians
like J. Edgar Hoover mad. He was one of those rare souls, like George
Orwell, who despite mistakes and flaws, consciously worked to direct his
actions, and redirect them after missteps, by principles of decency,
humanity, and rational thought. He never subscribed to menacing slogans like
"My country, right or wrong" or "You're either with us or against us." Quite
the opposite, he knew any country was capable of being wrong at times and
did not deserve blind allegiance when it was.

Einstein's was one of the most important names lent to the cause of Zionism.
His name and visits and letters raised a great deal of money towards
establishing universities and resettling European Jews suffering under
violent anti-Semitism long before the founding of Israel.

But even in a cause so dear to his heart, Einstein never stopped thinking
for himself. He not only opposed the establishment of a formal Israeli
state--he was after all a great internationalist--but he always advocated
treating the Arabic people of Palestine with generosity and understanding.

Clearly Einstein's Zionist path was not the one followed. The actual path
chosen by Israel has been pretty much that of "the iron wall," a phrase put
forward by Ze'ev Jabotinsky in the 1920s as the appropriate posture for
Zionists to adopt towards Arabs in Palestine.

Charles de Gaulle, up until the Six Day War, demonstrated great
understanding and support for Israel. This thoughtful and highly
individualistic statesman felt an instinctive sympathy for the struggle of
the Jews, but the Six Day War caused him to alter France's policies towards
the Jewish state.

The Six Day War was a much darker and more complex affair than it is
portrayed in official Israeli myths. The war was not simply an attack by a
gang of Arab states against Israel--a description which suggests not just
Goliath, but the entire tribe of Philistines, attacking little David with
his slingshot. While this is an appealing image, naturally arousing great
sympathy in American Puritans raised on the Old Testament, it is not an
accurate one. A fine Jewish scholar like Avi Shlaim, a specialist in the
first half century of Israeli policy, recognizing that not all important
documents bearing on the matter have been released, agrees there are doubts
and ambiguities here rather than light and darkness.

Before the Six Day War, David Ben Gurion made it clear to de Gaulle and
other western leaders that Israel wanted more land to absorb migrants.
Before the war, Israel also high-handedly diverted water from the Jordan
river, a hostile act in a water-short region and the kind of thing that
caused more than one "range war" in America's Southwest.

A very tense situation arose with a surge in Soviet armaments to Arab
states, although any knowledgeable observer understood that Israel continued
to hold the upper hand in any potential conflict. A major diplomatic mission
was undertaken by Abba Eban to gather support for Israel's intended violent
response to Egypt's blockade of the Straits of Tiran. Just as we now have
Bush's obdurate, hasty demand for war with Iraq, Eban made it clear that
Israel had no stomach for diplomacy to end the blockade. The blockade meant
war.

De Gaulle made a remarkably prescient observation to the Israeli government:
"If Israel is attacked, we shall not let her be destroyed, but if you
attack, we shall condemn your initiative. Of course, I have no doubt that
you will have military successes in the event of war, but afterwards, you
would find yourself committed on the terrain, and from the international
point of view, in increasing difficulties, especially as war in the East
cannot fail to increase a deplorable tension in the world, so that it will
be you, having become the conquerors, who will gradually be blamed for the
inconveniences."

De Gaulle also understood that Israel's behavior was nourishing
nationalistic aspirations on the part of the Palestinians, a development
Israel either greatly underestimated or chose to ignore, perhaps reflecting
the arrogance of those supported by great power towards those without power.
De Gaulle's advice was, of course, ignored. Israel managed easily to
overwhelm the Arab states, as its leaders had known it would, and it has
occupied a good portion of the territories seized ever since. It has ignored
many quiet diplomatic voices on this matter. It has stood in contempt of UN
resolutions for years. It has suffered innumerable guerilla attacks and
launched innumerable reprisals, even starting a bloody war in Lebanon
complete with atrocities. Israel finally came to toy with the notion of a
Palestinian state but never made the genuine effort or concessions necessary
to see this become a reality. It has, in short, fulfilled de Gaulle's
warning of trouble more than thirty years ago.

The 9/11 attack on America, coming under the administration of perhaps the
most aimless, blundering, and least informed president in American history,
was a godsend for Israel's belligerent policy. The people Israel has
occupied and mistreated for a third of a century are regarded by this
American president as something akin to al Qaeda. We have even had trial
balloons released by Republican figures like Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Armey
concerning Israel's right to hold the land and drive out its people,
although it is possible these represent pre-assault softening-up by
Washington to make Palestinians grateful for a second pathetic offer of
statehood now in the works, pathetic because it is impossible to imagine
anything else being blessed by both Bush and Sharon.

Perhaps most revealing of the moral state to which Israel has been reduced
since the Six Day War were preparations for Mr. Bush's war on Iraq. All
Israeli citizens were issued gas masks. A debate and legal moves centered
around whether foreign workers, of which there are large numbers, should
also receive gas masks. If they wanted gas masks, they must rent or buy
them, and the masks available for rental were those considered as expired
and unsuitable for Israelis. In families of mixed marriages, apparently
spouses who remain unregistered under Israel's now more restrictive
registration requirements, do not receive gas masks. Most Palestinians under
Israeli occupation are not issued gas masks, it being considered the
responsibility of the broken Palestinian Authority, almost without
resources, to look after this.

There is something especially repugnant in establishing a hierarchy of
people whose safety should be the responsibility of the state, and the
various adjustments made to this hierarchy in the face of criticism hardly
reflect humane policies.

In recent months, not a week passes in which Israel's army does not kill
fifteen or twenty Palestinians. Often, this many are killed in a day or two.
These killings are generally reported as the deaths of "militants," although
we have no way of determining the legitimacy of that term. We do know that
quite a number of people who cannot possibly be characterized as militants,
including women and children and peaceful foreign observers, have been
killed by Israeli soldiers. Of course, even those who might justifiably be
called militants are in their view only putting up a pathetic defense of
their homes against Merkava tanks and Apache helicopters.

The assassination of suspected terrorists is now an accepted, ordinary event
in Palestine, and Mr. Bush has granted Israel the right to extend this
violence to America territory. Mr. Sharon's secret services have conducted
scores of assassinations. Perhaps assassination is the wrong word since it
is generally used to describe the killing of a high-level political
opponent. Mr. Sharon's bloody work is precisely that of a police force
murdering, instead of arresting, criminal suspects by the score.

At this writing, as America bombs and burns its way through Iraq, Israel has
again rolled out its bulldozers and tanks into Gaza--killing, wrecking, and
making many improper arrests. Most horrifying is what Israel is doing to
Bedouin farmers in the Negev desert. Israel has used crop dusters spraying
poisonous chemicals to destroy the Bedouin crops. The charge is that they
are illegal squatters--a remarkable accusation coming from those who still
hold lands seized in 1967 and regularly build new settlements on them for
brand-new, heavily-armed immigrants.

Defenders of Israel's excesses in the United States have been driven to
advocate policies as chilling as creating a legal framework for torturing
terrorist suspects in the United States and Israel's undertaking the
cold-blooded reprisal killing of the families of desperate suicide bombers.
These are powerful measures of the corrupting long-term effects of the Six
Day War and Israel's determination to retain control over much or all of the
seized land.

Regrettably, Einstein appears to have been right about what Israel had the
potential for becoming. No person of principle can support Israel's present
policies, and I believe there is little doubt that would include Einstein
had he lived. Perhaps it is just as well he did not.



Joseph Hertzlinger
2003-11-23 21:08:51 EST
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:06:54 -0000, Yas <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> Israel's Bloody Excesses
> Was Einstein Right?
> By JOHN CHUCKMAN
>
> "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a
> Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no
> matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain --
> especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own
> ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a
> Jewish state."
>
> Albert Einstein

I have generally been a tepid supporter of Zionism. I think it's
preposterous to run a state on the basis of centuries-old traditions
that haven't been debugged lately. I think anybody who continues to
sulk over stuff that happened more than a generation ago should get a
life. I think that people who move in peacefully aren't some kind of
enemy and we should be suspicious of their opponents. I think that
humans are not sacrificial animals.

I see no reason to change my mind now that we're discussing how the
Koran hasn't been debugged, that Palestinians are continuing to sulk,
whether the "settlements" are some kind of an invasion, and if suicide
bombers have "guts."

If you think the above admission that Zionism is a flawed ideology is
a "sign of weakness" then go f___ yourself.

> Charles de Gaulle, up until the Six Day War, demonstrated great
> understanding and support for Israel. This thoughtful and highly
> individualistic statesman felt an instinctive sympathy for the
> struggle of the Jews, but the Six Day War caused him to alter
> France's policies towards the Jewish state.

The French were philosemitic for a while out of loser solidarity.

--
http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com

Yas
2003-11-23 21:26:31 EST
"Joseph Hertzlinger" <jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com>
wrote in message
news:TKdwb.19386$Wy4.10863@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:06:54 -0000, Yas <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > Israel's Bloody Excesses
> > Was Einstein Right?
> > By JOHN CHUCKMAN
> >
> > "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a
> > Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no
> > matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will
sustain --
> > especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own
> > ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without
a
> > Jewish state."
> >
> > Albert Einstein
>
> I have generally been a tepid supporter of Zionism. I think it's
> preposterous to run a state on the basis of centuries-old traditions
> that haven't been debugged lately. I think anybody who continues to
> sulk over stuff that happened more than a generation ago should get a
> life.

Ha a Zionist telling us that it's wrong to sulk over stuff that happened
more then a generation ago!
Just don't let the Holocaust \ufffd PLC hear you say that!!!


>I think that people who move in peacefully aren't some kind of
> enemy and we should be suspicious of their opponents. I think that
> humans are not sacrificial animals.
>
> I see no reason to change my mind now that we're discussing how the
> Koran hasn't been debugged, that Palestinians are continuing to sulk,
> whether the "settlements" are some kind of an invasion, and if suicide
> bombers have "guts."
>
> If you think the above admission that Zionism is a flawed ideology is
> a "sign of weakness" then go f___ yourself.
>
> > Charles de Gaulle, up until the Six Day War, demonstrated great
> > understanding and support for Israel. This thoughtful and highly
> > individualistic statesman felt an instinctive sympathy for the
> > struggle of the Jews, but the Six Day War caused him to alter
> > France's policies towards the Jewish state.
>
> The French were philosemitic for a while out of loser solidarity.
>
> --
> http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com



Conquistador
2003-11-23 22:02:22 EST

"Joseph Hertzlinger" <jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com>
wrote in message
news:TKdwb.19386$Wy4.10863@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:06:54 -0000, Yas <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > Israel's Bloody Excesses
> > Was Einstein Right?
> > By JOHN CHUCKMAN
> >
> > "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a
> > Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no
> > matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will
sustain --
> > especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own
> > ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without
a
> > Jewish state."
> >
> > Albert Einstein
>
> I have generally been a tepid supporter of Zionism. I think it's
> preposterous to run a state on the basis of centuries-old traditions
> that haven't been debugged lately. I think anybody who continues to
> sulk over stuff that happened more than a generation ago should get a
> life. I think that people who move in peacefully aren't some kind of
> enemy and we should be suspicious of their opponents. I think that
> humans are not sacrificial animals.
>
> I see no reason to change my mind now that we're discussing how the
> Koran hasn't been debugged, that Palestinians are continuing to sulk,
> whether the "settlements" are some kind of an invasion, and if suicide
> bombers have "guts."
>
> If you think the above admission that Zionism is a flawed ideology is
> a "sign of weakness" then go f___ yourself.

You know Joseph, you are right in everything , but one thing; Palestinians
do not really care whether settlement stay in Palestine or not. They would
like to live in one country, no matter what you call it, as long as Jews,
muslims, Druze, Catholics, orthodox and Buddhuists are equal before the law
and have the same rights, You may not know that, but this has been a
Hezbollah's original demand "ONE STATE FOR ALL PEOPLE EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW"
Strangely this simple solution to the Retention of Israel, Palestine and
peace somehow proves to be anacceptable to the same people who have demanded
equal rights in Europe for many centuries, and never got them!



Joseph Hertzlinger
2003-11-23 22:10:06 EST
I limit replies to seven or fewer Newsgroups.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:26:31 -0000, Yas <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> Ha a Zionist telling us that it's wrong to sulk over stuff that
> happened more then a generation ago! Just don't let the Holocaust ©
> PLC hear you say that!!!

Historical events that happened over a generation ago should be
stuffed into museums.

That's what we did.

Cf. http://www.revisionism.nl/Dinosaur/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

--
http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com

Pastor Frank
2003-11-24 07:59:41 EST
"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:3fc16c63$0$112$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
> "Joseph Hertzlinger" <jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com>
> wrote in message
> news:TKdwb.19386$Wy4.10863@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:06:54 -0000, Yas <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> > > Israel's Bloody Excesses
> > > Was Einstein Right?
> > > By JOHN CHUCKMAN
> > >
> > > "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of
a
> > > Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power,
no
> > > matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will
> sustain --
> > > especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own
> > > ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even
without
> a
> > > Jewish state."
> > >
> > > Albert Einstein
> >
> > I have generally been a tepid supporter of Zionism. I think it's
> > preposterous to run a state on the basis of centuries-old traditions
> > that haven't been debugged lately. I think anybody who continues to
> > sulk over stuff that happened more than a generation ago should get a
> > life.
>
> Ha a Zionist telling us that it's wrong to sulk over stuff that happened
> more then a generation ago!
> Just don't let the Holocaust \ufffd PLC hear you say that!!!
>
>
> >I think that people who move in peacefully aren't some kind of
> > enemy and we should be suspicious of their opponents. I think that
> > humans are not sacrificial animals.
> >
> > I see no reason to change my mind now that we're discussing how the
> > Koran hasn't been debugged, that Palestinians are continuing to sulk,
> > whether the "settlements" are some kind of an invasion, and if suicide
> > bombers have "guts."
> >
> > If you think the above admission that Zionism is a flawed ideology is
> > a "sign of weakness" then go f___ yourself.
> >
> > > Charles de Gaulle, up until the Six Day War, demonstrated great
> > > understanding and support for Israel. This thoughtful and highly
> > > individualistic statesman felt an instinctive sympathy for the
> > > struggle of the Jews, but the Six Day War caused him to alter
> > > France's policies towards the Jewish state.
> >
> > The French were philosemitic for a while out of loser solidarity.
> >
Not necessarily. As long as Zionism meant a unite Israel, populated by a
large ethnic and cultural as well as religious diversity, all enjoying the
same civil and human rights, Zionism was supported by most, not only France.
But when the 6 day war showed, that Zionists were Xenophobes, aiming to
establish a purely Jewish state, occupying, subjugating, dispossessing
non-Jews and ethnically cleansing them etc. etc., the support waned and
France became sceptical of Israel's motives, as we all are becoming
increasingly so too.
South Africa was able to overcome ethnic diversity and achieve peace, so
should Israel be able to, but not by occupation and subjugation of non-Jews.
--
Pastor Frank

Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)

PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We want
human rights respected, occupation made illegal, and the appalling
conditions imposed on occupied civilian populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed
can sue for redress, instead of having to resort to suicide bombing to draw
scant attention to their plight. Any government conducting or supporting
colonialism or other human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and
their leaders and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting,
encouraging or financing civil rights abusers must be considered a hate
crime.

--
Pastor Frank


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Pastor Frank
2003-11-24 07:59:50 EST
"Conquistador" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Joseph Hertzlinger" <jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com>
> wrote in message
> news:TKdwb.19386$Wy4.10863@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:06:54 -0000, Yas <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > > Israel's Bloody Excesses
> > > Was Einstein Right?
> > > By JOHN CHUCKMAN
> > >
> > > "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of
a
> > > Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power,
no
> > > matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will
> sustain --
> > > especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own
> > > ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even
without
> a
> > > Jewish state."
> > >
> > > Albert Einstein
> >
> > I have generally been a tepid supporter of Zionism. I think it's
> > preposterous to run a state on the basis of centuries-old traditions
> > that haven't been debugged lately. I think anybody who continues to
> > sulk over stuff that happened more than a generation ago should get a
> > life. I think that people who move in peacefully aren't some kind of
> > enemy and we should be suspicious of their opponents. I think that
> > humans are not sacrificial animals.
> >
> > I see no reason to change my mind now that we're discussing how the
> > Koran hasn't been debugged, that Palestinians are continuing to sulk,
> > whether the "settlements" are some kind of an invasion, and if suicide
> > bombers have "guts."
> >
> > If you think the above admission that Zionism is a flawed ideology is
> > a "sign of weakness" then go f___ yourself.
>
> You know Joseph, you are right in everything , but one thing; Palestinians
> do not really care whether settlement stay in Palestine or not. They would
> like to live in one country, no matter what you call it, as long as Jews,
> muslims, Druze, Catholics, orthodox and Buddhuists are equal before the
law
> and have the same rights, You may not know that, but this has been a
> Hezbollah's original demand "ONE STATE FOR ALL PEOPLE EQUAL BEFORE THE
LAW"
> Strangely this simple solution to the Retention of Israel, Palestine and
> peace somehow proves to be anacceptable to the same people who have
demanded
> equal rights in Europe for many centuries, and never got them!
>
Well put!!!! That is exactly what we all hoped for. None expected the
Jews to become Xenophobic to the extreme and go on a rampage of killing,
expropriating, occupation and repression. To the great disappointment of us
all, they have turned into pitiless storm-troopers without a conscience.
--
Pastor Frank

Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)

PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We want
human rights respected, occupation made illegal, and the appalling
conditions imposed on occupied civilian populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed
can sue for redress, instead of having to resort to suicide bombing to draw
scant attention to their plight. Any government conducting or supporting
colonialism or other human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and
their leaders and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting,
encouraging or financing civil rights abusers must be considered a hate
crime.



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Deborah Sharavi
2003-11-24 17:32:33 EST
Joseph Hertzlinger <jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com> wrote in message news:<iEewb.17440$Rk5.3353@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
>I limit replies to seven or fewer Newsgroups.

>Yasshole wrote:
>>Ha a Zionist telling us that it's wrong to sulk over stuff that
>>happened more then a generation ago! Just don't let the Holocaust ©
>>PLC hear you say that!!!

>Historical events that happened over a generation ago should be
>stuffed into museums.
>That's what we did.
>Cf. http://www.revisionism.nl/Dinosaur/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

Hysterical!!!!! Love it!!!!!!!!!

Deborah

Deborah Sharavi
2003-11-24 19:10:10 EST
"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3fc14baa$0$64734$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>...
>Israel's Bloody Excesses
>Was Einstein Right?
>By JOHN CHUCKMAN
>
>"My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of
a
>Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power,
no
>matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will
sustain --
>especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our
own
>ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even
without a
>Jewish state."
>Albert Einstein

>Einstein is one of my favorite twentieth-century characters. He was
>remarkable, and I don't mean only for his profound contributions to
our
>understanding of the physical world. He was someone who drove
authoritarians
>like J. Edgar Hoover mad. He was one of those rare souls, like George
>Orwell, who despite mistakes and flaws, consciously worked to direct
his
>actions, and redirect them after missteps, by principles of decency,
>humanity, and rational thought. He never subscribed to menacing
slogans like
>"My country, right or wrong" or "You're either with us or against
us." Quite
>the opposite, he knew any country was capable of being wrong at times
and
>did not deserve blind allegiance when it was.

>Einstein's was one of the most important names lent to the cause of
Zionism.

Einstein never "lent his name to the cause of Zionism". He joined
the Zionist movement in 1919, and ever after supported the cause
of the establishment of the Jewish state in Palestine.

>His name and visits and letters raised a great deal of money towards
>establishing universities and resettling European Jews suffering
under
>violent anti-Semitism long before the founding of Israel.

Einstein's speech "Our Debt to Zionism", from which the
above quote was lifted - a fragment featured on all the
antisemitic sites - was made long before the founding of
the Jewish state in Israel. It was given 17th April 1938
- five years after Einstein's German citizenship had been
revoked, and six months after the Arab Riots had resumed
their murderous destruction in British Palestine - to the
National Labor Committee for Palestinein in the context of
the Peel Report. Einstein said:

"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the
Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the
creation of a Jewish state. Apart from practical consider-
ation, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism
resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army,
and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I
am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain --
especially from the development of a narrow nationalism
within our own ranks, against which we have already had
to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. We are
no longer the Jews of the Maccabee period. A return to
a nation in the political sense of the word would be
equivalent to turning away from the spiritualization of
our community which we owe to the genius of our prophets."

In the course of his speech, Einstein also said: "Anti-
semitism has always been the cheapest means employed by
selfish minorities for deceiving the people."

On 11 Jan 1946, Einstein testified before the Anglo-
American Committee of Inquiry that a Jewish state would
not need to be established if - he recognized it was
a big if - an international entity could keep the peace
between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. Without saying one
could not, Einstein testified to the need for a Jewish
state. Jews, he said, should be able to immigrate "freely
within the limits of the economic absorptive possibilities"
of Palestine, and the govt should insure there would be
no "majorization of one group by the other." The "rigid
demand for a Jewish State will have only undesirable
results for us," he said. Yet the establishment of the
Jewish state, he said, was "the fulfillment of our dreams."

>But even in a cause so dear to his heart, Einstein never stopped
thinking
>for himself. He not only opposed the establishment of a formal
Israeli
>state--

See immediately above. He was an advocate of establishing
a Jewish homeland in Palestine from 1919, and a member of
the Jewish Agency Executive.

>he was after all a great internationalist--but he always advocated
>treating the Arabic people of Palestine with generosity and
understanding.

Sure, all the while the Arabs of Palestine were assisting
the Nazis to treat the Jews of Europe with something less
than "generosity and understanding."

>Clearly Einstein's Zionist path was not the one followed.

Not by Arabs, certainly.

Full text of Einstein's 1938 speech to the National Labor Committee
for Palestine, New York, 17th April 1938 ("Out of My Later Years" by
Albert Einstein, 1950, ch 52)

Our Debt to Zionism
by Albert Einstein

Rarely since the conquest of Jerusalem by Titus has the Jewish
community experienced a period of greater oppression than prevails at
the present time. In some respects, indeed, our own time is even more
troubled, for man's possibilities of emigration are more limited today
than they were then.

Yet we shall survive this period too, no matter how much sorrow, no
matter how heavy a loss in life it may bring. A community like ours,
which is a community purely by reason of tradition, can only be
strengthened by pressure from without. For today every Jew feels that
to be a Jew means to bear a serious responsibility not only to his own
community, but also toward humanity. To be a Jew, after all, means
first of all, to acknowledge and follow in practice those fundamentals
in humaneness laid down in the Bible-fundamentals without which no
sound and happy community of men can exist.

We meet today because of our concern for the development of Palestine.
In this hour one thing, above all, must be emphasized: Judaism owes a
great debt of gratitude to Zionism. The Zionist movement has revived
among Jews the sense of community. It has performed productive work
surpassing all the expectations any one could entertain. This
productive work in Palestine, to which self-sacrificing Jews
throughout the world have contributed, has saved a large number of our
brethren from direst need. In the particular, it has been possible to
lead a not inconsiderable part of our youth toward a life of joyous
and creative work.

Now the fateful disease of our time - exaggerated nationalism, borne
up by blind hatred - has brought our work in Palestine to a most
difficult stage. Fields cultivated by day must have armed protection
at night against fanatical Arab outlaws. All economic life suffers
from insecurity. The spirit of enterprise languishes and a certain
measure of unemployment (modest when measured by American standards)
has made its appearance.

The solidarity and confidence with which our brethren in Palestine
face these difficulties deserve our admiration. Voluntary
contributions by those still employed keep the unemployed above water.
Spirits remain high, in the conviction that reason and calm will
ultimately reassert themselves. Everyone knows that the riots are
artificially fomented by those directly interested in embarrassing not
only ourselves but especially England. Everyone knows that banditry
would cease if foreign subsidies were withdrawn.

Our brethren in other countries, however, are in no way behind those
in Palestine. They, too, will not lose heart but will resolutely and
firmly stand behind the common work. This goes without saying.

Just one more personal word on the question of partition. I should
much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of
living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart
from practical consideration, my awareness of the essential nature of
Judaism resist the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army , and
a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the
inner damage Judaism will sustain- especially from the development of
a narrow nationalism with in our own ranks, against which we have
already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. A return
to a nation in the political sense of the word would be equivalent to
turning away from the spiritualization of our community which we owe
to the genius of our prophets. If external necessity should after all
compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and
patience.

One more word on the present psychological attitude of the world at
large, upon which our Jewish destiny also depends. Anti-Semitism has
always been the cheapest means employed by selfish minorities for
deceiving the people. A tyranny based on such deception and maintained
by terror must inevitably perish from the poison it generates within
itself. For the pressure of accumulated injustice strengthens those
moral forces in man which lead to a liberation and purification of
public life. May our community through its suffering and its work
contribute toward the release of those liberating forces.

Deborah

Conquistador
2003-11-24 21:49:48 EST
> Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of
at
> least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had
been
> destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers
726,000
> Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
> Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
> number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
> 50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
> Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
> whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
> "...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
> and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
> 2:9, 3:9)
>
> PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
> We the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
> Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
> East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We want
> human rights respected, occupation made illegal, and the appalling
> conditions imposed on occupied civilian populations lifted.
> We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
> disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed
> can sue for redress, instead of having to resort to suicide bombing to
draw
> scant attention to their plight. Any government conducting or supporting
> colonialism or other human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state
and
> their leaders and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting,
> encouraging or financing civil rights abusers must be considered a hate
> crime.
>
> --
> Pastor Frank
Iisrael is threatening to use nukes if anyone at all including US
interferes!
>
>
> ---
>
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