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Snubis
2003-09-25 21:20:45 EST
At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent forever in search
of a world without moral consequence.
..
2. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a collectivist,
totalitarian state.
..
3. The liberal religion reveres the twin gods of genitals and
government, and is overseen by a priesthood of psychologists.
..
4. "Freedom" to the liberal is strictly freedom of the genitals.
..
5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the liberal
because they demand moral responsibility.
..
6. The fundamental power struggle of the liberal is individual v.
collective. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor of the
collective.
..
7. Individualism demands moral responsibility. Collectivism hopes to
eliminate the need for moral responsibility.
..
8. The U.S. Constitution - specifically the individualistic Bill of
Rights - is the enemy of the liberal.
..
9. The liberal despises the United States because it is the premier
gaurantor and promoter of individualism in the world.
..
10. All institutions and concerns - schools, environment, courts, etc. -
serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism.
..
11. Abortion is necessary to gaurantee genital freedom and eliminate
moral consequence.
..
12. The basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility.
..
13. The liberal must create an atmosphere of crisis and fear to justify
collectivist oppression.
..
14. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence is
the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed.
..
15. Despite decades of spectacular failure, the liberal clings to the
collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government.
It is a religion.
..
17. The liberal seeks to dominate any institution which can weaken or
destroy individual parental rights - public schools, child abuse
agencies, pediatric associations, etc..
..
18. The liberal applauds the imprisoning of homeschooling parents who
dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public
school temples.
..
19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of
individual power, and therefore despised.
..
20. All individual freedoms demand the responsible behaviour of the
individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom
because they despise morality.
..
21. The liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of
who he is.
..
22. The liberal despises national sovereignty which protects individual
freedoms.
..
23. The liberal promotes international governments (UN, EU, etc.) which
seek to destroy individualism protected by sovereign states.
..
24. The liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the
world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human
activity and thought.
..
25. "Multi-culturalism" is the code world for a single, oppressive,
collectivist culture.
..
26. Liberals speak often of tolerance, but only tolerate liberals.
..
27. The liberal seeks to criminalize any speech which promotes morality
or individualism as "hate speech".
..
28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course.
..
29. The liberal's only method of debate is to insult and discredit
anyone who dares to disagree

When possible, liberals opress anyone who questions their beliefs.
..
31. Liberals despise all innocence - especially the innocence of a
child.
..
32. Liberals seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of
pedophilia, all in the pursuit of genital freedom.
..
33. In the liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.
..
34. Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism,
and the enemy of the liberal.
..
35. The liberal hates you.
..
36. The liberal seeks to replace a moral world view with an emotional
world view.
..
37. The liberal typically chooses a career which produces nothing of
value - lawyer, bureaucrat, "activist", etc. - and uses government to
extract the wealth of others.
..
38. Liberal programs enrich liberals and do little to help the poor.
..
39. The liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power.
..
40. Feminists groups are about lesbianism and socialism, not equal
rights for women.
..
..
41. Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove
your children, and imprison you for what you believe.
..
42. Liberals fear technology and change - because neither can be
centrally controlled.
..
43. Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity.
Promiscuity is the dominant theme of the liberal media culture.
..
44. Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual
prosperity, private property ownership, and the family.
..
45. Liberals despise marriage and family because they are institutions
which frown on promiscuity.
..
46. Liberals despise the automobile as a symbol of individual freedom
and power.
..
47. Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into
them, in order to foster promiscuity and collectivist ideology in
children.
..
48. Other diseases kill millions more, but liberals are obsessed with
AIDS because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity.
..
49. Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their
politics is also their religion.
..
50. Liberal activities are all about ego - to demonstrate "I care more
than you do" without really helping anyone.
..
51. Whenever a liberal expresses concern "for the children", they are
using and targeting children to expand promiscuity, collectivism, and
their own pocketbooks and egos.
..
52. Because collectivist politics is their only morality, liberals have
no problem with deceit, oppression, or violence in their pursuit of
collectivism.
..
53. Liberals are elitests who exempt themselves from the oppressive
rules they impose on the general population.
..
54. Liberals howl if a transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly
offended, but openly bash Christians.
..
55. Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940's urban
environment. We all ride the bus from a small, dirty, big city apartment
to an 8-5 union job.
..
56. Liberals believe that wealth is static - anyone who makes money must
be stealing it from someone else

Osprey
2003-09-25 21:40:58 EST
Where did you get this? This is good, and in my opinion seems to sum up the
truth very well. At least from my experience with liberals.





"Snubis" <snubis@aol.com> wrote in message
news:NvMcb.30065$Ci5.649114@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent forever in search
> of a world without moral consequence.
> ..
> 2. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a collectivist,
> totalitarian state.
> ..
> 3. The liberal religion reveres the twin gods of genitals and
> government, and is overseen by a priesthood of psychologists.
> ..
> 4. "Freedom" to the liberal is strictly freedom of the genitals.
> ..
> 5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the liberal
> because they demand moral responsibility.
> ..
> 6. The fundamental power struggle of the liberal is individual v.
> collective. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor of the
> collective.
> ..
> 7. Individualism demands moral responsibility. Collectivism hopes to
> eliminate the need for moral responsibility.
> ..
> 8. The U.S. Constitution - specifically the individualistic Bill of
> Rights - is the enemy of the liberal.
> ..
> 9. The liberal despises the United States because it is the premier
> gaurantor and promoter of individualism in the world.
> ..
> 10. All institutions and concerns - schools, environment, courts, etc. -
> serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism.
> ..
> 11. Abortion is necessary to gaurantee genital freedom and eliminate
> moral consequence.
> ..
> 12. The basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility.
> ..
> 13. The liberal must create an atmosphere of crisis and fear to justify
> collectivist oppression.
> ..
> 14. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence is
> the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed.
> ..
> 15. Despite decades of spectacular failure, the liberal clings to the
> collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government.
> It is a religion.
> ..
> 17. The liberal seeks to dominate any institution which can weaken or
> destroy individual parental rights - public schools, child abuse
> agencies, pediatric associations, etc..
> ..
> 18. The liberal applauds the imprisoning of homeschooling parents who
> dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public
> school temples.
> ..
> 19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of
> individual power, and therefore despised.
> ..
> 20. All individual freedoms demand the responsible behaviour of the
> individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom
> because they despise morality.
> ..
> 21. The liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of
> who he is.
> ..
> 22. The liberal despises national sovereignty which protects individual
> freedoms.
> ..
> 23. The liberal promotes international governments (UN, EU, etc.) which
> seek to destroy individualism protected by sovereign states.
> ..
> 24. The liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the
> world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human
> activity and thought.
> ..
> 25. "Multi-culturalism" is the code world for a single, oppressive,
> collectivist culture.
> ..
> 26. Liberals speak often of tolerance, but only tolerate liberals.
> ..
> 27. The liberal seeks to criminalize any speech which promotes morality
> or individualism as "hate speech".
> ..
> 28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course.
> ..
> 29. The liberal's only method of debate is to insult and discredit
> anyone who dares to disagree
>
> When possible, liberals opress anyone who questions their beliefs.
> ..
> 31. Liberals despise all innocence - especially the innocence of a
> child.
> ..
> 32. Liberals seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of
> pedophilia, all in the pursuit of genital freedom.
> ..
> 33. In the liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.
> ..
> 34. Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism,
> and the enemy of the liberal.
> ..
> 35. The liberal hates you.
> ..
> 36. The liberal seeks to replace a moral world view with an emotional
> world view.
> ..
> 37. The liberal typically chooses a career which produces nothing of
> value - lawyer, bureaucrat, "activist", etc. - and uses government to
> extract the wealth of others.
> ..
> 38. Liberal programs enrich liberals and do little to help the poor.
> ..
> 39. The liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power.
> ..
> 40. Feminists groups are about lesbianism and socialism, not equal
> rights for women.
> ..
> ..
> 41. Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove
> your children, and imprison you for what you believe.
> ..
> 42. Liberals fear technology and change - because neither can be
> centrally controlled.
> ..
> 43. Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity.
> Promiscuity is the dominant theme of the liberal media culture.
> ..
> 44. Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual
> prosperity, private property ownership, and the family.
> ..
> 45. Liberals despise marriage and family because they are institutions
> which frown on promiscuity.
> ..
> 46. Liberals despise the automobile as a symbol of individual freedom
> and power.
> ..
> 47. Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into
> them, in order to foster promiscuity and collectivist ideology in
> children.
> ..
> 48. Other diseases kill millions more, but liberals are obsessed with
> AIDS because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity.
> ..
> 49. Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their
> politics is also their religion.
> ..
> 50. Liberal activities are all about ego - to demonstrate "I care more
> than you do" without really helping anyone.
> ..
> 51. Whenever a liberal expresses concern "for the children", they are
> using and targeting children to expand promiscuity, collectivism, and
> their own pocketbooks and egos.
> ..
> 52. Because collectivist politics is their only morality, liberals have
> no problem with deceit, oppression, or violence in their pursuit of
> collectivism.
> ..
> 53. Liberals are elitests who exempt themselves from the oppressive
> rules they impose on the general population.
> ..
> 54. Liberals howl if a transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly
> offended, but openly bash Christians.
> ..
> 55. Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940's urban
> environment. We all ride the bus from a small, dirty, big city apartment
> to an 8-5 union job.
> ..
> 56. Liberals believe that wealth is static - anyone who makes money must
> be stealing it from someone else



PRO-LIFE
2003-09-25 21:54:12 EST
Osprey wrote:
>
> Where did you get this? This is good, and in my opinion seems to sum up the
> truth very well. At least from my experience with liberals.


One needs only to read the newspapers to understand that this is true of
most liberals, although not all.

Craig Chilton
2003-09-26 00:14:09 EST
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:20:45 GMT,
"Snubis" <snubis@aol.com> ignorantly wrote:


> 1. At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent...

... or quite mature-minded adult ...

> ... forever in search of a world without moral consequence.

Ah. So you are one of those utterly clueless "consequences-freaks,"
huh? Score one for those you call "liberals." Since they do NOT **get
off** as YOUR ilk does, on seeing people having to pay totally
UNNECESSARY "consequences."

There's a word for people like you: Hateful.

> 2. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a
> collectivist, totalitarian state.

You have a very active and creative (although quite deluded)
imagination. All that is necessary to avoid what YOU call "moral
consequences" is a modicum of intelligence, and the common
sense to both think for themselves and apply the Golden Rule in
their dealings with others. Thus RECOGNIZING that anything that
any person chooses to do *privately* -- and if with one or more others,
*consensually* -- which does NO overt harm to others, is NO one
else's business.

There's a wod for people like you: Busybody.

> 3. The liberal religion reveres the twin gods of genitals and
> government, and is overseen by a priesthood of psychologists.

There's no such thing as a religion calling itself "liberal."

There's a word for people like you: Ignorant.

> 4. "Freedom" to the liberal is strictly freedom of the genitals.

If by "liberal" you happen to be referring to the FAIR-minded and
sensible people who are intelligent enough to know that people's private
sex lives are NO one else's business but theirs, if conducted as teens
with OTHER consenting teens, or as adults with consenting adults, then
what's your problem?

There's a word for people like you: Confused.

> 5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the liberal
> because they demand moral responsibility.

Actually, the sensible people you regard to be "liberals" tend to be
MULTI-faceted people for whom sex is just ONE aspect of their lives.
And THEY are sensible enough to know that the TRULY responsibly-
acting people in any given society are those who mind their own business
with respect to other people's PRIVATE and PERSONAL behavior and
decisions, as long as said behaviors and decisions do NO overt harm to
others.

There's a term for people like you: Control-freaks.

> 6. The fundamental power struggle of the liberal is individual v.
> collective. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor
> of the collective.

"Collective?" As in such things as collective farms under
communism, etc. ROTFL!!!

There's a word for people like you: Retro.

> 7. Individualism demands moral responsibility. Collectivism hopes
> to eliminate the need for moral responsibility.

Yep. Retro. Look up "anachronism." Apply it to yourself.

> 8. The U.S. Constitution -- specifically the individualistic Bill of
> Rights -- is the enemy of the liberal.

The vast majority of people you seem to be calling "liberal" have
great respect for the Bill of Rights, and recognize that all too often,
people like you do not.

There's a word for people like you: Prevaricator.

> 9. The liberal despises the United States because it is the premier
> gaurantor [sic!] and promoter of individualism in the world.

The most sensible (and most assuredly, mostly very patriotic) people
in America fit your warped notion of "liberal." And love their country.
They love it enough to want to see it become free of such hatefulness
as you are trying to foster and spread.

There's a term for people like you: Mixed-up.

> 10. All institutions and concerns - schools, environment, courts, etc. -
> serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism.

Well... okay... if YOU choose to believe that. It has NOTHING to do,
however, with the way those whom you criticize think.

(VERY mixed-up!)

> 11. Abortion is necessary to gaurantee genital freedom and eliminate
> moral consequence.

Make that, "EXTREMELY mixed-up!" Since in *actuality*, abortion
is nothing more than a HUGELY-beneficial **remedy** -- which puts the
lives of millions of women BACK on track. It harmlessly and beneficially
enables a BILLION women, worldwide (that's th equivalent of 1/7 of
the world's entire population!), in every given 18-year-long period, to
RESTORE their well-being and full range of opportunities to PRE-ill-
timed-pregnancy levels. It does for an unwanted pregnancy what
aspirin does for an unwanted headache.

> 12. The basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility.

Look up "psychology" sometime. Educate yourself.

> 13. The liberal must create an atmosphere of crisis and fear to justify
> collectivist oppression.

LOL!!!! Loons like YOU run around like Chicken Little, screeching
that "the sky is falling," every time the nation is safeguarded against
moves toward establishing a theocracy (such as removing religious icons
from PUBLIC property)... or people's PRIVATE rights (such as how they
choose to have sex, or their right to safely and legally access abortion,
are firmly upheld. The "crisis and fear" mentality is all YOURS.

> 14. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence
> is the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed.

Actually, whether "religious" or not... any person who seeks to
IMPOSE "moral consequences" upon others over matters that are
PRIVATE and therefore NONE of their business, fits this NEXT term
that seems to fit YOU perfectly:

Obnoxious.
that which they may regard

> 15. Despite decades of spectacular failure, the liberal clings to the
> collectivist...

LOL!!!!!

> ...dream because it is far more than a theory of government.
> It is a religion.

There's a term for people like you: "Loonier than a barn owl !!"

> 17. The liberal seeks to dominate any institution which can weaken or
> destroy individual parental rights -- public schools, child abuse
> agencies, pediatric associations, etc..

Ah. ANOTHER accurate term for people like you: Liars.

> 18. The liberal applauds the imprisoning of homeschooling parents
> who dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist
> public school temples.

RETRO liars.

> 19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of
> individual power, and therefore despised.

Hmmm. Yet another term fits you well: Redneck.

Have a gun rack in the back window of your pickup truck, do you?

> 20. All individual freedoms demand the responsible behaviour of the
> individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise
> freedom because they despise morality.

You've already told this inane lie in your #5 and #7 rants. Running
out of steam, huh?

There's a word for people like you: Dumb.

> 21. The liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in
> spite of who he is.

Actually, SENSIBLE Americans respect Bill Clinton for the
phenomenal job he did of presiding over an America that enjoyed
the most peaceful and prosperous decade of its history. And probably
would have re-elected him to a 3rd term in a heartbeat, had that still
been constitutional. The LEAST thing that would bother a sensible
person about Bill is his engaging in CONSENSUAL sex with another
adult. NO one else's businss but his and Monica's.

There's a word for people like you: Mindless.

> 22. The liberal despises national sovereignty which protects individual
> freedoms.

ROTFL!!!! You have demostrated that YOU don't give a flying rat's
ass for any individual freedoms that YOU happen to disagree with.

There's a word for people like you: Hypocrite.

> 23. The liberal promotes international governments (UN, EU, etc.)
> which seek to destroy individualism protected by sovereign states.

The UN and EU have repeatedly repudiated Warmonger-in-Thief Bush
and his lapdog, Tony Blair, for making aggressors of their respective
nations. They were right to do that. We have NO business being in Iraq.
And Bush LIED about the supposed "weapons of mass destruction" there,
in order to CON people like you into going along with him.

There's a word for people like you: Gullible.

> 24. The liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the
> world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human
> activity and thought.

There's a word for people like you: Redundant.

> 25. "Multi-culturalism" is the code world for a single, oppressive,
> collectivist culture.

"Collectiveist" again? You're really HUNG UP on that tripe, aren't
you?

There's a word for people like you: Stupid.

(BTW, whar multiculturalism REALLY is, is the fairness to ACCEPT
people as they are, and celebrate the differences that make our world
interesting.)

> 26. Liberals speak often of tolerance, but only tolerate liberals.

IOW -- if a person does NOT tolerate bigotry... he's a bigot.

There's a word for people like you: Bigot.

> 27. The liberal seeks to criminalize any speech which promotes
> morality or individualism as "hate speech".

SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people (who obviously are the
ones YOU love so much to call "liberals") recognize that unnecessary
criticism of individuals or groups for NO good reason IS hate speech.
And therefore condemn it very rightfully.

There's a word for people like you: Airhead.

> 28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course.

Some environmental *extremists* do. But sensible people who have no
desire to see unnecessary damage done to the environment are intelligent.

Something you clearly would know nothing about.

> 29. The liberal's only method of debate is to insult and discredit
> anyone who dares to disagree.

Quite the opposite is the case. Today's brand of "conservatives"
tend to be intolerant and control-freakish loons who have few, if any,
FACTS on their side. As you have proves so admirably in THIS post with
all your clueless WHINING. Having ALL of the relevant FACTS on *their*
side, all that the FAIR-minded egalitarians need to do is CITE them.
That devastates the "arguments" of the hyperconservatives every single
time.

There's a term for people like you: Out of touch with reality.

> 30. When possible, liberals opress anyone who questions their beliefs.

The only ones running around trying to OPPRESS people are those of
YOUR ilk. Just look at the whines you constantly spewed in this post.

> 31. Liberals despise all innocence - especially the innocence of a
> child.

Now you're LYING again. Do you ENJOY making a totally-discredited
ass of yourself in public?

> 32. Liberals seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of
> pedophilia, all in the pursuit of genital freedom.

MORE lies. Active pedophiles do that, but they are NOT the group of
people you so confusedly claim are "liberals."

Thus, there's another word for people like you: Befuddled...

> 33. In the liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.

...and thoroughly CONFUSED!

> 34. Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism,
> and the enemy of the liberal.

ROTFL!!!!! VERY confused!!!

> 35. The liberal hates you.

Nope. Fair-minded egalitarians generally hate mindless bigotry.
Try educating yourself, if that's possible.

> 36. The liberal seeks to replace a moral world view with an emotional
> world view.

Egalitarians generally are MORAL enough to want NOTHING to do
with your brand of warped and hateful IMmorality.

> 37. The liberal typically chooses a career which produces nothing of
> value -- lawyer, bureaucrat, "activist", etc. - and uses government
> to extract the wealth of others.

LOL!!!! Everyone REMEMBER this, in case he ever NEEDS a lawyer!

> 38. Liberal programs enrich liberals and do little to help the poor.

Nope. DISHONEST scams do that. Legitimate charities -- run by and
contributed to by COMPASSIONATE egalitarians, help countless people
in need, constantly:

There's a word for people like you: Jerk.

> 39. The liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power.

Sensible people don't give a second though to such trivialities as
"masculinity" and being "feminine." They evaluate PEOPLE, case-by-
case, as multi-faceted individuals.

Your obvious IGNORANCE pervades this post!

> 40. Feminists groups are about lesbianism and socialism, not equal
> rights for women.

LOL!!! *MORE* ignorance.

> 41. Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove
> your children, and imprison you for what you believe.

Wrong again. Fair-minded people advocate imprisonment ONLY for
those who have committed criminal acts, and are convicted of same.

There's a term for people like you: Totally deluded.

> 42. Liberals fear technology and change -- because neither can be
> centrally controlled.

Fair-minded and sensible people LOVE technological progress!

How can ANYONE be as bone-ignorant as you constantly PROVE
yourself to be?

> 43. Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity.
> Promiscuity is the dominant theme of the liberal media culture.

Wrong again. But even if they DID, that would be NONE of *your*
business. Or that of anyone else. Trivial and unimportant.

> 44. Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual
> prosperity, private property ownership, and the family.

You would no doubt regard me to be a "liberal." Yet, just like MOST
people who hold my fair-minded views, I value private property, libve in
a suburb by choice, was married, and have three adult (and SENSIBLE)
kids... and 5 grandchildren. And own a lucrative book publishing
company. You are truly a nitwit.

> 45. Liberals despise marriage and family because they are institutions.

See above. As I said...

There's a word for people like you: Nitwit. LYING nitwit.

> 46. Liberals despise the automobile as a symbol of individual freedom
> and power.

Which no doubt explains my ownership of 3 minivans, in which I
travel up to 100,000 miles a year. Right? (ROTFL!!!!!!)

> 47. Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into
> them, in order to foster promiscuity and collectivist ideology in
> children.

Actually, egalitarians tend to respect public schools, recognize
their current problems, and seek to improve them. We DO deplore child
abuse. And raising kids to be intolerant bigots, as happens in many
private chool and home-school environments, is very REAL child abuse.

> 48. Other diseases kill millions more, but liberals are obsessed with
> AIDS because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity.

SENSIBLE people support fighting ALL diseases for which curs may
ultimately be found. *Including* AIDS. (And there you go being a
moronic "consequences-freak" again! You and your ilk are a joke!)

> 49. Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their
> politics is also their religion.

"MORE" committed? Heck, the only thing saving America from becoming
a tyrannical theocracy such as that depicted in "The Handmaid's Tale" is
the fact that fair-minded people so vastly OUTNUMBER loons like you. The
typical hyperconsevative lies, drinks, and breathes their bigotry, 24/7!

> 50. Liberal activities are all about ego -- to demonstrate "I care more
> than you do" without really helping anyone.

Another stupid lie, and, as usual, 100% wrong.

> 51. Whenever a liberal expresses concern "for the children", they are
> using and targeting children to expand promiscuity, collectivism, and
> their own pocketbooks and egos.

THAT statement is too stupid to merit an answer. (And already had
been refuted elsewhere in this post.)

> 52. Because collectivist politics is their only morality,...

"Collectivist." ROTFLMAO!!!!

> ...liberals have no problem with deceit, oppression, or
> violence in their pursuit of collectivism.

Just HOW can anyone possibly be as ignorant as you are, and live?

> 53. Liberals are elitests who exempt themselves from the oppressive
> rules they impose on the general population.

Naw. Only our CONGRESS does that, with every law they pass!
Literally!! Check it out!

> 54. Liberals howl if a transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly
> offended, but openly bash Christians.

FAIR-minded people not only do NOT bash Christians, but MOST
of us ARE Christians. For example, 83% of Americans are Christians
(as determined by the Gallup Poll recently), and 2/3 of Americans
consistently are PRO-Choice with respect to abortion. Do the math.
MOST Christians are PRO-Choice. Only about 2% of "Christians" --
deluded actual ones, and false PSEUDO-Christians -- are hateful and
obnoxious enough to be RRR cultists. Unfortunately, ACTUAL,
*non*-impostional christians often are wrongly painted with the brush
of intolerance and bigotry that ONLY the RRR cultists have earned
for themselves.

> 55. Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940's urban
> environment. We all ride the bus from a small, dirty, big city
> apartment to an 8-5 union job.

There's a word for people like you: Loon.

> 56. Liberals believe that wealth is static -- anyone who makes
> money must be stealing it from someone else.

Yep. You're a loon. A **total** loon.

ODD collection of groups YOU have chosen to post to.

Are you a Space Monkey? Or would you be the Space Bastard?

They both are a GOOD fit for you.


-- Craig Chilton xanadu222@mchsi.com

Osprey
2003-09-26 01:37:40 EST
PRO-LIFE <stop@bortion.now> wrote in message news:<3F739D1D.7700@bortion.now>...
> Osprey wrote:
> >
> > Where did you get this? This is good, and in my opinion seems to sum up the
> > truth very well. At least from my experience with liberals.
>
>
> One needs only to read the newspapers to understand that this is true of
> most liberals, although not all.

Good point. You are right, not all. Although from my personal
experience finding a decent, honest liberal is rare. And in this NG I
haven't found one yet.

Craig Chilton
2003-09-26 02:26:08 EST
On 25 Sep 2003 22:37:40 -0700,
Robert Heishman ("Osprey") wrote:
> [Anti-Choice] wrote:
>> Robert Heishman ("Osprey") wrote:


>>> Where did you get this? This is good, and in my opinion seems
>>> to sum up the truth very well. At least from my experience with liberals.

>> One needs only to read the newspapers to understand that
>> this is true of most liberals, although not all.

> Good point. You are right, not all. Although from my personal
> experience finding a decent, honest liberal is rare. And in this NG I
> haven't found one yet.

Yes you have.


-- Craig Chilton xanadu222@mchsi.com

Ninure Saunders
2003-09-26 09:39:13 EST
In article <NvMcb.30065$Ci5.649114@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, Snubis
<*s@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>

So who did you cipy this 'screed" from?



Wgat proof do you offer that "liberals" emrace the things that upi posted?


And when did you deicde lying was moral?

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Ninure Saunders
2003-09-26 09:52:12 EST
In article <8912d58d.0309252137.3a9d445a@posting.google.com>,
n*w@mail.com (osprey) wrote:

-PRO-LIFE <stop@bortion.now> wrote in message
news:<3F739D1D.7700@bortion.now>...
-> Osprey wrote:
-> >
-> > Where did you get this? This is good, and in my opinion seems to sum
up the
-> > truth very well. At least from my experience with liberals.
->
->
-> One needs only to read the newspapers to understand that this is true of
-> most liberals, although not all.
-
-Good point. You are right, not all. Although from my personal
-experience finding a decent, honest liberal is rare. And in this NG I
-haven't found one yet.

Well from my experience with so-called conservatives, there no
conservatives in these NGSwho are not racists, hatefilled selfish,
Holocaust-denying antiJesus bigots,....

Firtunately tho, the NG are NOT the eal world, and I have met a few
conservatives who are quiye the opposite of people like you.


=================================================================

The funny thing is, under the present climate, Jesus would not be able to
get a visa to enter the United States of America..would be called scum by
most conservatives....they demand his imprisonment and/or death because he
fits the profile of a terrorist:

Male, between 20-35, from the Middle East, no visible means of support...

The teachings of Jesus could be seen as offering aid and comfort to
terrorists since they don't seem to support war::


Matt. 5:38 You have heard that it was said, Eye for eye, and tooth for
tooth. 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes
you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone
wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41
If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to
the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to
borrow from you.

Matt. 5:43 You have heard that it was said, Love your neighbor and hate
your enemy. 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who
persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes
his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous
and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will
you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet
only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even
pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is
perfect.

====================================================================

Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk

The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk

My Yahoo Group
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My Online Diary
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Adam H.
2003-09-26 11:13:11 EST
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:26:08 GMT, xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton)
wrote:

>On 25 Sep 2003 22:37:40 -0700,
>Robert Heishman ("Osprey") wrote:
>> [Anti-Choice] wrote:
>>> Robert Heishman ("Osprey") wrote:
>
>
>>>> Where did you get this? This is good, and in my opinion seems
>>>> to sum up the truth very well. At least from my experience with liberals.
>
>>> One needs only to read the newspapers to understand that
>>> this is true of most liberals, although not all.
>
>> Good point. You are right, not all. Although from my personal
>> experience finding a decent, honest liberal is rare. And in this NG I
>> haven't found one yet.
>
> Yes you have.
>
>
> -- Craig Chilton xanadu222@mchsi.com

He won't admit to anybody else being worthy of consideration, in the
same way that he won't admit he's wrong until Jesus comes down and
tells him that he's wrong.

---
"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts

Frank Dwyer
2003-09-26 12:05:51 EST
Snubis wrote:
>
> At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent forever in search
> of a world without moral consequence.

Whose morals?

<rest of the bullshit sipped>
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