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Timothy Sutter
2003-09-22 21:30:14 EST
there was no beginning for Christ

there will be no end to Christ

Christ is in your midst

Timothy Sutter
2003-09-22 22:33:32 EST
> there was no beginning for Christ
> there will be no end to Christ
> Christ is in your midst

this one's pretty weird;

One, two, buckle my shoe
Three, four, open the door
Five, six, pick up sticks
Seven eight, lay them straight
Nine, ten, do it again!

it's like constantly buckling your shoes
and opening doors and picking up sticks
and setting them straight.

but i just have shoelaces

oh well, it's back to the old drawing board
to redesign the grindstone all over again.

no skin off my nose

Timothy Sutter
2003-09-23 21:25:39 EST
it's not an unheard of notion;

like;

the Kingdom of God is in your midst
-and- in a faraway country

and your desire is for your 'midst'
to align with the faraway country.

and so, 'on earth as in 'heaven''

and Jesus -did- go off to a farway country
when he disappeared upon his ascension

that same 'faraway country' where he had known
Glory in God even before all of Creation.

but he also, -did- send back that Paracletos
to be 'in your midst' again, just as Jesus
was in the midst of his material element.

but even that is still a shadow.

as a full manifestation of Christ on earth
is just as sure as the sun rising in
the east every morning.

and for you, that is sure enough.

but now, -you- are in this world and
Christ is in this world thru -you-
under the auspices of that Paracletos.

but what's also funny is that Jesus Christ
represents that "new heavens and new earth
wherein righteousness will dwell."

because righteousness did, in fact,
dwell in Jesus Christ, and therefore,
in the world and on the earth and
under the earth and also, as ever was,
in the inner regions where no physical
man may enter in.

but even -that- was a shadow.

for when 'heaven' and earth become an identical place

there will be no need for anyone to say;

"know YHWH"

or

"come to Christ"

because all will know God

and God will fully inhabit a dwelling

not made by the hand of mankind

and very beautiful in our eyes.

Timothy Sutter
2003-09-24 09:09:11 EST
> and God will fully inhabit a dwelling
> not made by the hand of mankind
> and very beautiful in our eyes.

so, the Love which is God
is True Light and the
only source of Life.

it is not a conscious effort
on the part of God that anything
that steps away from that
source has no life.

that which runs contrary to God
-must- die, -not- as a punishment,
but as a fact of reality.

very much -like- a lightbulb
in a lamp provides no light when
unplugged from the wall socket.

there is no choosing involved here,

unplug the lamp, no light.

unplug from God, no life.

but remember for a second,

although this happens very fast
in our little -likeness-, when
you unplug a lamp from the wall
socket, the light remains on for
a fraction of a second as it 'turns off'

if you could take a high speed
film of it and slow it down a bit
you'd see the light slowly turn
off -after- the lamp was unplugged.

so, -like- that, human beings don't
just drop to the ground immediately
when they are unplugged from God.

at any rate, -this- situation is WHY Jesus.

WHY the blood

WHY the Cross

we -all- became/become unplugged from God

in part -from- birth -as- children of "Adam"
and in part, -after- birth because we just
remain in that unplugged state by our
own material nature which is, in fact,
predisposed to inanimate death.

look, "Adam" was formed by God and
God breathed the breath of life
into "Adam's" nostrils.

when "Adam" became unplugged -he-
began to die like our lightbulb
who slowly shuts off after you
unplug it from the wall socket,

-but- in a sense,

"Adam and Eve" were enabled to pass
on -that- temporary life to the
flesh thru conception and child birth.

so, -we- get -that- temporary light of life
from our parents and ostensibly from "Adam"

but -that- 'life' is essentially
born as if it were already unplugged
and dieing out, in -likeness- to
our lightbulb friend.

we human beings born of "Adam" are not
exactly like "Adam", in that God did not
directly breathe the breath of life
into us, but we inherited a life
already in decay -from- "Adam"

sure, we have a faint flicker -of-
the breath of life, but -this- we
get from "Adam" along with a
predisposed unplugged condition.

and without going into fine detail
about Jesus and -that- Blood right now,
[i'll get back to that later]

in essence, -that-
set of actions
-by- God

conception-life-crucifixion
blood spillage-burial
and resurrection

make it possible for GOD
to plug -us- back in to Life.

it is -not- some human appeasement
ceremony invented by human beings
to please an unwavering God,

it -is- an action of Love provided
by God to plug us back in while
we were yet dead.

and not only us, but many things,
the earth itself included.

the earth which suffered loss as well
from "Adam's conscious yank on the plug.

and...


Timothy Sutter
2003-09-24 11:18:55 EST
> > and God will fully inhabit a dwelling
> > not made by the hand of mankind
> > and very beautiful in our eyes.

> so, the Love which is God
> is True Light and the
> only source of Life.

> look, "Adam" was formed by God and
> God breathed the breath of life
> into "Adam's" nostrils.

just a quick terminological bit;

this concerns "spirit"

"the breath of life" and
"The Holy Spirit" are not
exactly identical.

while "the breath of life" was breathed
into "Adam" by God and is therefore
an animating "spirit" from God,

"the breath of life" does not
represent "The Mind of Christ"
or personality structure of God.

and so, while it may be stated that
this "spirit", which is an animating
"life force", has God as its ultimate
source, we do not suggest that this
animating life force is God's
own personality structure.

it's -sort- of like, as if this;

it's -like- as if "the breath of life"
is God's bloodstream, and imparted to
the material, it makes material alive,
but, when it is removed from the circulating
Presence of God's own Life -it- slowly wanes
and ceases to support material animation.

much -like- your blood carries your life
on it but taken out of circulation and
placed in a bottle, it slowly ceases to
be useful in support of living tissue.

and so, while we can say that
"the breath of life" lives and
is from God and imparts life
to the material, when removed
from God's own Presence, it wanes.

and that waning process is
like a lightbulb unplugged.

much -unlike- material human beings,
there is no way to drain all
the life out of God.

backtracking a bit, it has been mentioned
how "Adam" never took from the "Tree of Life"

and so, in that regard, it can be stated
that "Adam" was never plugged into -that-
Life which is God's own personality structure,
but was being perpetuated by God's infusion
of the breath of life.

so, how exactly are "the breath of life"
and "the Holy Spirit" different?

well, it is also -like- "the breath of life"
is an aspect of God's Life which specifically
renders animation to the physical material
world, while "The Holy Spirit" is a medium
which bears God in God.

like, "the breath of life" is carried
on blood and oxygen and God is carried
on "the Holy Spirit"

"the breath of life" is not blood and
oxygen because these cannot be said
to be alive in isolation.

the breath of life drives
material animation processes.

but we don't say that _God_ is
made alive by the breath of life,
but that God -is- Life in God's
own Persona.

The Holy Spirit is substance
which is not physically defineable
but, more than that, The Holy Spirit
is Life and Living, The Holy Spirit
carries God and Is God.

so, what of "Adam"

what sort of 'life' did "Adam" possess
after God breathed the 'breath of life'
into the non-living, material formed,
creation, but before "Adam" was able
to reach out and eat from
The Tree of Life?

'alive and -not- alive' at the same time?

yes, "Adam" was a functional material animation,
but "Adam" was not yet inhabitted and possessed
by the Life of God which carries on God's own,
non-physical yet, substantial medium.

the breath of life comes from God and
is supportable in the material by God,
but aside from God's own Presence, the
breath of life does not impart any
everlasting qualities of its own.

admittedly, this is a, somewhat,
complex and recursive issue, but
not one that is without resolution.

and we look at Jesus...

Opie Taylor
2003-09-24 19:11:02 EST
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:18:55 -0400, Timothy Sutter <a202010@dcemail.com>
wrote:

~> > and God will fully inhabit a dwelling
~> > not made by the hand of mankind
~> > and very beautiful in our eyes.
~
~> so, the Love which is God
~> is True Light and the
~> only source of Life.
~
~> look, "Adam" was formed by God and
~> God breathed the breath of life
~> into "Adam's" nostrils.
~
~just a quick terminological bit;
~
~this concerns "spirit"
~
~"the breath of life" and
~"The Holy Spirit" are not
~exactly identical.
~
~while "the breath of life" was breathed
~into "Adam" by God and is therefore
~an animating "spirit" from God,
~
~"the breath of life" does not
~represent "The Mind of Christ"
~or personality structure of God.
~
~and so, while it may be stated that
~this "spirit", which is an animating
~"life force", has God as its ultimate
~source, we do not suggest that this
~animating life force is God's
~own personality structure.
~
~it's -sort- of like, as if this;
~
~it's -like- as if "the breath of life"
~is God's bloodstream, and imparted to
~the material, it makes material alive,
~but, when it is removed from the circulating
~Presence of God's own Life -it- slowly wanes
~and ceases to support material animation.
~
~much -like- your blood carries your life
~on it but taken out of circulation and
~placed in a bottle, it slowly ceases to
~be useful in support of living tissue.
~
~and so, while we can say that
~"the breath of life" lives and
~is from God and imparts life
~to the material, when removed
~from God's own Presence, it wanes.
~
~and that waning process is
~like a lightbulb unplugged.
~
~much -unlike- material human beings,
~there is no way to drain all
~the life out of God.
~
~backtracking a bit, it has been mentioned
~how "Adam" never took from the "Tree of Life"
~
~and so, in that regard, it can be stated
~that "Adam" was never plugged into -that-
~Life which is God's own personality structure,
~but was being perpetuated by God's infusion
~of the breath of life.
~
~so, how exactly are "the breath of life"
~and "the Holy Spirit" different?
~
~well, it is also -like- "the breath of life"
~is an aspect of God's Life which specifically
~renders animation to the physical material
~world, while "The Holy Spirit" is a medium
~which bears God in God.
~
~like, "the breath of life" is carried
~on blood and oxygen and God is carried
~on "the Holy Spirit"
~
~"the breath of life" is not blood and
~oxygen because these cannot be said
~to be alive in isolation.
~
~the breath of life drives
~material animation processes.
~
~but we don't say that _God_ is
~made alive by the breath of life,
~but that God -is- Life in God's
~own Persona.
~
~The Holy Spirit is substance
~which is not physically defineable
~but, more than that, The Holy Spirit
~is Life and Living, The Holy Spirit
~carries God and Is God.
~
~so, what of "Adam"
~
~what sort of 'life' did "Adam" possess
~after God breathed the 'breath of life'
~into the non-living, material formed,
~creation, but before "Adam" was able
~to reach out and eat from
~The Tree of Life?
~
~'alive and -not- alive' at the same time?
~
~yes, "Adam" was a functional material animation,
~but "Adam" was not yet inhabitted and possessed
~by the Life of God which carries on God's own,
~non-physical yet, substantial medium.
~
~the breath of life comes from God and
~is supportable in the material by God,
~but aside from God's own Presence, the
~breath of life does not impart any
~everlasting qualities of its own.
~
~admittedly, this is a, somewhat,
~complex and recursive issue, but
~not one that is without resolution.
~
~and we look at Jesus...

Thank you Timmy. We surely need someone who's divinely in touch to
interpret such a confusing subject. Tell the old guy hello for the rest
of us!

_______________________________
People who want to share their religious
views with you almost never want you
to share yours with them.

Dore
2003-09-24 20:16:22 EST
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:3F6FA226.4184@lycos.com...
> there was no beginning for Christ
>
> there will be no end to Christ
>
> Christ is in your midst

Actually it is the Holy Spirit, that is in your midst.

John 14:16-17
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that
he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth
him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and
shall be in you.
KJV


--
Dore

http://dorewilliamson.com



"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:3F6FA226.4184@lycos.com...
> there was no beginning for Christ
>
> there will be no end to Christ
>
> Christ is in your midst



Timothy Sutter
2003-09-24 20:55:17 EST
Dore wrote:

> Timothy Sutter wrote...
> > there was no beginning for Christ
> > there will be no end to Christ
> > Christ is in your midst

> Actually it is the Holy Spirit, that is in your midst.

actually, it is Christ;

Luke 17:21
nor shall they say, Lo here, or,
Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God
is in the midst of you.

your friend king james says this;

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say,
Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God
is within you.

and then there's this;

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered
together in My name, I am there in
the midst of them."


> John 14:16-17
> 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give
> you another Comforter, that he may abide with
> you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom
> the world cannot receive, because it seeth
> him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him;
> for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
> KJV

and then there's these;

Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit,
if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if
anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ,
he is not His.

1 Peter 1:11
searching what, or what manner of time,
the Spirit of Christ who was in them was
indicating when He testified beforehand
the sufferings of Christ and the glories
that would follow.


apparently these chaps use "Spirit of God"
and "Spirit of Christ" interchangeably.

so, what exactly is your problem?

and then there's this;

Hebrews 7:3
without father, without mother, without genealogy,
having neither beginning of days nor end of life,
but made like the Son of God, remains
a priest continually.

are you still having trouble with this?

Christ is in your midst.

The Kingdom of God is in your midst

The Holy Spirit is in your midst.

but the world doesn't receive it,

because it doesn't see Christ.

what -you- may do well to ask yourself is

in -whose- midst is Christ?

Timothy Sutter
2003-09-24 21:11:47 EST
Opie Taylor wrote:

> Timothy Sutter wrote:
...
> ~the breath of life comes from God and
> ~is supportable in the material by God,
> ~but aside from God's own Presence, the
> ~breath of life does not impart any
> ~everlasting qualities of its own.

> ~admittedly, this is a, somewhat,
> ~complex and recursive issue, but
> ~not one that is without resolution.

> ~and we look at Jesus...

> Thank you [Timothy Sutter]. We surely need someone who's
> divinely in touch to interpret such a confusing subject.
> Tell the old guy hello for the rest of us!

you cheat yourself.

Timothy Sutter
2003-09-25 10:20:18 EST
> The Holy Spirit is substance
> which is not physically defineable
> but, more than that, The Holy Spirit
> is Life and Living, The Holy Spirit
> carries God and Is God.

> so, what of "Adam"

> what sort of 'life' did "Adam" possess
> after God breathed the 'breath of life'
> into the non-living, material formed,
> creation, but before "Adam" was able
> to reach out and eat from
> The Tree of Life?

> 'alive and -not- alive' at the same time?

> and we look at Jesus...

anyway, here's what God did not do,

God did not let "Adam" die and abolish "Man"
and then form a new man from the dust of the
ground and breathe the breath of life in to
a new creation 'starting all over from scratch,'
as it were, and hope that -this- 'new' "Adam"
did not make the same false move, but took
from the Tree of Life instead.

didn't do that.

God perpetuated Adam's life thru childbirth.

and thru Jesus, repaired "Adam".

that's one thing to keep in mind.

but Jesus is still a -little- bit different.
different from Adam and different from Adam's progeny.
much like Adam and much like Adam's progeny
but a -little- bit different.

but also, _God_ didn't do anything wrong.

it wasn't God's fault that "Adam"
grabbed from that false intention.

and so, if God wiped out Adam and
started all over from scratch, one
may conclude that, somehow, God had
done something wrong of which God
intended to fix, 'the next time'

and like some of us can see and agree,
this is no "trial and error" experiment.

so, it's not -just- that God
addressed the problem, as it lay,
and worked out this Salvation,

but that Man's error was not God's error.

and also, -we- have to keep in mind the
-other- controversy that pre-dates the
forming of "Adam" from the dust of
the ground, and remember that it
-ain't- -all- about -us-.

i'm getting to the significance
of the Blood of Christ,

but...
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