On Oct 26, 5:24 pm, Chom Noamksy <blahb...@blahblah.blah> wrote: > Sarah Whitehead, a middle-aged hospital nurse nicknamed ‘Mumsy’, was > jailed last night for spearheading an extreme animal rights campaign of > ‘intimidation, violence and terror’. > > http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-...
== Insane bitch...how would you like to have her for a nurse? They should have put her away for 20 years. ==
2010-10-27 01:41:06 EST
In article <y_SdnfkAzoav_lrRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, Chom Noamksy <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Sarah Whitehead, a middle-aged hospital nurse nicknamed \ufffdMumsy\ufffd, was > jailed last night for spearheading an extreme animal rights campaign of > \ufffdintimidation, violence and terror\ufffd. > > http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror > -sees-her-jailed-for-six-years
You're a smart guy there Chom. Got any idea what would motivate someone to get involved with the fight for animal rights?
-- Ole Butteye
2010-10-27 06:30:11 EST
On Oct 26, 8:24 pm, Chom Noamksy <blahb...@blahblah.blah> wrote: > Sarah Whitehead, a middle-aged hospital nurse nicknamed ‘Mumsy’, was > jailed last night for spearheading an extreme animal rights campaign of > ‘intimidation, violence and terror’. > > http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-...
Whenever you run across a principled person you must feel curious and baffled.
2010-10-27 09:59:04 EST
On Oct 27, 4:30 am, Archie <akenn...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Oct 26, 8:24 pm, Chom Noamksy <blahb...@blahblah.blah> wrote: > > > Sarah Whitehead, a middle-aged hospital nurse nicknamed ‘Mumsy’, was > > jailed last night for spearheading an extreme animal rights campaign of > > ‘intimidation, violence and terror’. > > >http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-... > > Whenever you run across a principled person you must feel curious and > baffled.
== Good thing that there was a "principled" judge around to put the miserable wretch in prison. I have no patience with people who harm others because they object to using animals for necessary research. ==
2010-10-27 10:47:26 EST
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:24:18 -0700, Chom Noamksy <*email@example.com> wrote:
>Sarah Whitehead, a middle-aged hospital nurse nicknamed Mumsy, was >jailed last night for spearheading an extreme animal rights campaign of >intimidation, violence and terror. > >http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror-sees-her-jailed-for-six-years
_________________________________________________________ . . . Her group protesting about an animal testing laboratory also spread false paedophilia smears against their victims and sent them used tampons, claiming the blood was HIV-positive.
Their claims even led to entirely unconnected people being attacked, such as the owners of a home which once belonged to one of their targets. . . . http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror-sees-her-jailed-for-six-years ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ There has to be something a bit "special" about people who put their faith in the gross mi$nomer "animal rights", since for one thing it wouldn't mean better lives, longer lives, rights, or anything at all for domestic animals. Instead it would eliminate them, so its followers are better known as misnomer advocates (addicts, huggers...) or even more clearly as eliminationists. Misnomer type terrorism is only carried out by misnomer addicts afaik. For example I've never heard of animal welfare terrorists, but only heard of it associated with eliminationists. Their terrorist acts don't help anything, but instead they cause MORE suffering in various ways like directly to their victims, by causing huge increases in costs to both researchers and consumers, by creating a need for experiments to be repeated causing more suffering to humans and research animals, by causing more suffering for both humans and other animals in the future due to delays they cause in research today, etc. So it's not a big surprise that people like that, taking the actions that they do, attack unconnected people as well as their intended targets. _________________________________________________________ . . . The youngest, Alfie Fitzpatrick, was just 17 when he was recruited to the cause . . . http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror-sees-her-jailed-for-six-years ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ They like to convert people while they are still young, before they have a chance to think things all the way through. If they can get people to believe in their cause while their minds are still flexible, they know that a significant number of them will grow comfortable with the choice and then cognitive dissonance will shield them from being able to recognise negative aspects of the misnomer when they're presented. That's why groups like PeTA target small children...specifically to exploit their naive position. _________________________________________________________ . . . The groups campaign led to damage and increased security costs amounting to £12.6million. . . . http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror-sees-her-jailed-for-six-years ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Bad for humans. Bad for other animals. Good for nothing. _________________________________________________________ . . . Judge Keith Cutler told the group: You are not going to prison for expressing your beliefs you are going to prison because you have committed a serious criminal offence.
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror-sees-her-jailed-for-six-years ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ It seems they may have committed much much more than just 'a serious criminal offence'.
2010-10-27 10:49:31 EST
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:41:06 -0700, Butteye Jest <*d@gotdaTshirt.com> wrote:
>In article <y_SdnfkAzoav_lrRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, > Chom Noamksy <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > >> Sarah Whitehead, a middle-aged hospital nurse nicknamed Mumsy¹, was >> jailed last night for spearheading an extreme animal rights campaign of >> intimidation, violence and terror¹. >> >> http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror >> -sees-her-jailed-for-six-years > > >You're a smart guy there Chom. Got any idea what would motivate someone >to get involved with the fight for animal rights?
Which rights for which animals? Since they want the *elimination* of all domestic animals we can safely conclude that there would be no rights for them, since none would exist. The term "animal rights" is a gross mi$nomer in regards to domestic animals.
So what about wildlife? Would what misnomer advocates wish to impose provide rights for all wild animals, even though not for domestic animals?
· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does. What they try to avoid are products which provide life (and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have to avoid the following items containing animal by-products in order to be successful:
The meat industry provides life for the animals that it slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume animal products from animals they think are raised in decent ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by being vegan. From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·
2010-10-27 10:50:57 EST
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 03:30:11 -0700 (PDT), Archie <*email@example.com> wrote:
>Whenever you run across a principled person you must feel curious and >baffled.
Not always as much with some as with others. These people are principled too, and imo much more realistically:
Then in contrast there are these type people: _________________________________________________________ April 4, 2005 Burton, UK: In letters to the media, a group calling itself the Animal Rights Militia offered to return one-sixth of the remains of the 82 year old mother-in-law of a part-owner of Darley Oakes Farm, which raises guinea pigs for biomedical research. The womans body was stolen from her grave in October. . .
February 19, 2005 Chino Hills, CA: Animal rights activists vandalized the home of the chief veterinarian for the city of Los Angeles. They threw rocks through windows, and left behind fliers with the veterinarians photo, accusing her of animal cruelty. ALF is suspected in this incident as well as prior threats against the veterinarian and other employees of the LA City Animal Shelter.
January 12, 2005 Auburn, CA: Five incendiary devices were found in an office building under construction. Devices of the same type were discovered in an upscale subdivision in near-by Lincoln on December 27. Official stated the firebombs were capable of extensive damage. Graffiti found on the Lincoln homes included U will pay and Enjoy the world as it is - as long as you can. In a letter sent to the Auburn Journal on January 18, ELF claimed responsibility, and warned of more terrorist attempts to come - "We are setting a new precedent, where there will be at least one or more actions every few weeks," it read. The Joint Terrorism Task Force is investigating.
September 5, 2004: East Peckham, England: Animal Rights activists vowed to launch ten "terror attacks" a night across Britain. An ALF spokesman at a "training camp" for AR activists to learn "direct action" said "Ten attacks a night would be an absolute minimum "Think of the number of butcher shops: at least a couple of windows are already being broken every night and then you have people spraying graffiti on cars to those targeting employees of Huntingdon Life Sciences." There have been reports of at least six serious incidents in the last ten days, including attacks on cars and other property of people connection with GlaxoSmithKline, HLS, and a farm raising guinea pigs for research.
August 11, 2002: Arson by the ELF caused $700,000 worth of damage at a Forest Service lab in Irvine, PA, and destroyed 70 years of research focused on maintaining a healthy forest ecosystem. An e-mail from Elf's office said "While innocent life will never be harmed in any action we undertake, where it is necessary, we will no longer hesitate to pick up the gun to implement justice, and provide the needed protection for our planet that decades of legal battles, pleading protest, and economic sabotage have failed so drastically to achieve." It further stated that all Forest Service stations were targeted, and, if rebuilt, the Pennsylvania station would be targeted for complete destruction.
September 21, 2001 UK: Ashley Broadley Glynn Harding, the mail bomber who sent 15 letter bombs to animal-related businesses and individuals over a three-month period last winter, was sentenced to indefinite detention in mental hospital. Additional court ordered restrictions mean that Harding will not be released until the Home Secretary is satisfied that he poses no risk to the public. The bomber's mail terror campaign injured two adults and one child, one woman lost her left eye, the child scarred for life. At trial, evidence indicated that he had intended to mail as many as 100 letter bombs.
August 16, 2001 UK: One of the three men who assaulted Brian Cass, managing director of Huntingdon Life Sciences, at his home, received a sentence of three years in jail for his part in the attack. David Blenkinsop and two others donned ski masks and ambushed Cass as he arrived home, bludgeoning him with wooden staves and pickaxe handles. DNA on the handles and Blenkinsops clothing helped convict him of the offense.
June 12, 2001 MO: A 30-year-old animal rights activist attacked a "Survivor" series cast member at a workplace safety promotion, pepper spraying him in the face and hitting several onlookers, including children, aswell. Police arrested the attacker. Michael Skupin, who lasted six weeks on"Survivor," attributed the attack to his killing of a pig for food on the series.
May 31, 2001 Canada: In a raid late this month, Toronto police arrested two men and put out an appeal for apprehension of a third in connection with animal cruelty charges stemming from the videotaped skinning of live animals. The video showed a cat being tortured and killed allegedly by a self-styled artist and vegan protesting animal cruelty. Anthony Ryan Wenneker, 24, and Jessie Champlain Powers, 21 were arrested. The raid turned up a headless, skinned cat in the refrigerator, along with other animal skeletons, including a dog, some mice and rats, and the videos. Police are searching for the third person seen in the videos.
May 23, 2001 UK: Three men, ages 34, 31 and 34, were arrested for the attack on Brian Cass, Director of Huntingdon Life Sciences. The baseball bat brandishing attackers split Cass' scalp and bruised him and sprayed a would-be rescuer with CS gas on February 22, 2001. One of the men was arrested at an animal sanctuary run by TV script writer Carla Lane.
May 9, 2001 Israel: Shraga Segal, an immunologist and former dean of the Ben-Gurion University medical school, resigned his post as chairman of the government body that supervises research involving animals. Segal received a faxed death threat and threats of violence against his family.
April 27, 2001 WA: Governor Gary Locke signed into law this week a measure that would make it a misdemeanor to knowingly interfere with or recklessly injure a guide dog, or to allow one's dog to obstruct or intimidate a guide dog. Repeat offenses could net up to one year in jail and a $5,000 fine. The measure sailed through the legislature in record time after reports of blind people being harassed by animal rights fanatics, both verbally and by looking for opportunities to separate the guide dogs from their owners.
April 19, 2001 UK: In the US District Court for the District of New Jersey, the US subsidiary of Huntingdon Life Sciences joined in the filing of an amended complaint against SHAC, Voices for Animals, Animal Defense League, In Defense of Animals, and certain individuals. The amended filing asserts claims under the Civil Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Statute (RICO) and cited physical attacks on individual employees, death threats, bomb threats, destruction of property, burglary, harassment and intimidation; and also asserts claims for interference with contractual relations and economic advantage. The original plaintiffs in the action were the Stephens Group and its wholly owned investment-banking subsidiary, Stephens, Inc.
February 23, 2001 UK: In a major public escalation of animal rights terrorist violence, the managing director of Huntingdon Life Sciences was attacked as he arrived home by three masked goons wielding baseball bats or ax handles. Brian Cass, 53, bludgeoned with head and body wounds and bruises, including a 3-inch scalp gash, was saved from further injury by his girl friend's screams and the aid of two passersby. One of the Good Samaritans chased the attackers, but was debilitated by CS gas from one of the attackers. Cass, stitched up and back at work the next day, vowed to continue the work of HLS, which includes government mandated tests seeking cures for dementia, diabetes, AIDS, asthma and other diseases. In reaction to the attack, Ronnie Lee, ALF founder who is no longer with the group, condoned the attack and expressed surprise that it didn't happen more often, declaring that Cass got off "lightly." Other animal rights groups publicly backed off condoning the act, but expressed "understanding" of how it could occur. In calendar year 2000, 11 Huntingdon employees' cars were firebombed.
February 21, 2001 UK: Two men ages 26 and 36, and one 31 year-old woman were arrested in connection with letter bombing attacks against at least eleven agricultural businesses. Since December 10, 2000, three bombs were intercepted, but 5 of 10 others exploded, causing serious eye and facial injury to two adults, and leg wounds to a 6-year old daughter of one of the intended victims. Authorities considered all of the bombs potentially lethal. The businesses included pet supply, pest control, farming, agricultural supply, and a livestock auction agency.
February 13, 2001 Scotland: A letter bomb was sent to an agricultural entity in the Borders. Army experts were called out to defuse the bomb.
February 12, 2001 UK: An agricultural firm in North Yorkshire received a letter bomb which was defused without incident by army experts.
February 4, 2001 UK: In an attack near Nantwich, Cheshire Beagles master George Murray, his wife and five other hunt members were assaulted by masked animal rights activists. At least five hunt members were injured by the stick- and whip-wielding attackers. Murray was beaten, kicked in the head and face and his wife was punched in the face. They were threatened with death as retribution for the death 10 years ago of hunt saboteur Michael Hill.
January 31, 2001 UK: A letter bomb exploded in Cumbria in a charity shop owned by the British Heart Foundation. The woman who opened the package was not injured.
January 30, 2001 UK: Two nail bombs, sent to an agricultural supplier in Sheffield and a cancer research campaign shop in Lancashire, were detected and defused by authorities before being opened by the recipients. Both bomb attacks were linked to letter bomb mailings that started in mid-December.
January 5, 2001 UK: Livestock auction estate agents in East Yorkshire are attacked by letter bomb. One female staff member sustained serious eye injuries from the explosion.
January 5, 2001 UK: A farmer in North Yorkshire was injured by nails from an exploding letter bomb.
December 30, 2000 UK: A mail bomb sent to a pest control company in Cheshire exploded, injuring the owner's 6-year old daughter who was helping her father with the mail. The girl was cut on her legs and feet by shrapnel from the envelope. Authorities suspect animal rights activists in the bombing.
October 23, 2000 UK: Two hunt members received death threats and car bombs. Both were on a publicized list of seven huntsmen considered to be "legitimate targets" by the Hunt Retribution Squad." All seven had received threatening letters on September 4, 2000. Amateur whip David Pitfield's van was destroyed by one bomb in South Nutfield, Surrey. The bomb under a woman hunt member's vehicle in East Sussex, discovered five hours later, did not detonate and was removed by army bomb experts. Both bombs were considered lethal.
<*h@.> wrote > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > There has to be something a bit "special" about people who > put their faith in the gross mi$nomer "animal rights", since for > one thing it wouldn't mean better lives, longer lives, rights, or > anything at all for domestic animals. Instead it would eliminate > them
That is not insightful, clever, interesting, important or relevant in any way.
Anyone reading your posts goes "huh?", scratches his head, says, "Another usenet fuckwit." and moves on to an intelligent comment.
2010-10-27 15:52:52 EST
<*h@.> wrote in message news:firstname.lastname@example.org... > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:41:06 -0700, Butteye Jest > <bendardund@gotdaTshirt.com> wrote: > >>In article <y_SdnfkAzoav_lrRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, >> Chom Noamksy <email@example.com> wrote: >> >>> Sarah Whitehead, a middle-aged hospital nurse nicknamed OMumsy¹, was >>> jailed last night for spearheading an extreme animal rights campaign of >>> Ointimidation, violence and terror¹. >>> >>> http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845133-nurse-mumsy-s-animal-rights-reign-of-terror >>> -sees-her-jailed-for-six-years >> >> >>You're a smart guy there Chom. Got any idea what would motivate someone >>to get involved with the fight for animal rights? > > Which rights for which animals? Since they want the > *elimination* of all domestic animals we can safely conclude that > there would be no rights for them, since none would exist.
You're an idiot. Nobody cares about your little Catch-22 "insight". It's horseshit.