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And/or Www.mantra.com/jai Dr. Jai Maharaj
2009-04-10 16:06:15 EST
Vegetarianism

Forwarded message

An Ethical Diet for Peace and Plenty

Good health, spirituality, sound ethics, balanced ecology
and favorable economics are among the reasons a plant-based
diet beats meat-eating today

By R. P. Jain
Hinduism Today
http://www.HinduismToday.com
April/May/June, 2009

This editorial is drawn from a talk given by the author
during the Gandhi Peace Panel lectures on October 2, 2008,
at the Eastern Connecticut State University, Willimantic,
Connecticut, USA.

In India, the land of ahinsa, or nonviolence, people have
traditionally been vegetarian. Hailing from a family of
staunch vegetarians, I consider myself fortunate to be
living in harmony with the principles of nature. as a Jain
follower, I strongly advocate a vegetarian diet, which I
find superior not only from a moral stance, but also from
the health and culinary points of view. guests at our home,
coming from both vegetarian and nonvegetarian backgrounds,
are always overwhelmed with what they de scribe as the
unbelievable taste and richness of our vegetarian cuisine.

Sadly, in recent times many Hindus, Jains and Buddhists,
especially of the younger generation, are no longer so
strict about our precepts and have taken to nonvegetarian
food, mostly following the misconception that meat-eating
is healthy. truth be told, a vegetarian diet is actually
much healthier than one based on animal protein. it is
argued that there is a lot of protein in meat and eggs, but
we do not need so much concentrated protein in our diet.
there is plenty of protein in nuts, seeds, pulses and dairy
products, which are also far easier to digest.
vegetarianism supports mental and physical health as well
as spiritual cultivation. Fruits, vegetables, pulses, nuts
and milk products provide a balanced diet which does not
make our system toxic. this is primarily because when an
animal is killed, it becomes dead matter. in the case of
many vegetables, if we eat part of the vegetable and re-
plant another part, it can grow again; it is still a living
organism.

It is a healthy sign that more and more people in the Us,
UK, europe and other parts of the world are taking to a
vegetarian diet in modern times, chiefly due to health
reasons. There is a growing acceptance in the West that
vegetarianism connotes a more positive way of living than
flesh eating. In India, the pilgrimage destination of
Haridwar still enjoys the status of being a vegetarian
city. even in Japan, known to be virtually 100 percent
nonvegetarian, you can now find vegetarian restaurants.

My friend Martin Gluckman, who runs the Vedic Society and
teaches organic and ayurvedic cooking in South Africa,
hails Indian vegetarianism thusly: "India has the world's
greatest cuisine and most variety of dishes, boasting to
its amazing cultural and spiritual heritage. it has a time-
tested vegetarian cuisine offering a delight for all senses
and the heart. India can be proud to have the world's
largest per-capita number of vegetarians (I have read
reports of more than 40%). no other country can make such a
statement of humanity and nonviolence. The vegetarian
culture and lifestyle is India's greatest achievement and
gift to the world. Only in years to come will the true
value of this gift be known."

[Caption] Cornucopia: Ladies vend fresh vegetables
at a market in Pushkar, Rajasthan; (above)
a few of the many spices that make Indian
food so distinctive and delicious

It is important that we remain vegetarian not only for our
health and nutrition, but from the points of view of
spirituality, compassion, ethics, ecology and economics as
well.

When we see the end product of meat in the supermarket or
leather in the shoe store, there is a long chain of
violence that created it. These products endorse and
perpetuate violence in our society, which contributes to
the terrorism that is rampant across the world. Eating
habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence.

By moving away from food of violence we can move rapidly
toward world peace. Albert Einstein averred, "It is my view
that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
physical effect on human temperament, would most
beneficially influence the lot of mankind." When a helpless
animal is killed by a deliberate act of violence, it dies
in great dread. Its body is flush with hormones produced by
fear. These toxic substances enter the body of the person
who eats the flesh and adversely affect his or her body and
mind. I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
animal that died in mortal fear give good health and
refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer?

Additionally, meat production is one of the most
environmentally damaging industries in terms of pollution
and inefficient use of agricultural land. According to a
2006 report from the United nations Food & agriculture
Organization, livestock production is responsible for more
greenhouse gasses than all the motor vehicles in the world,
plus it severely degrades land and water.

It is also necessary to remove the myth and argument that
vegetarians will not get enough food if nonvegetarians do
not eat meat. this is a fallacy. It has been conclusively
proven that more people can be sustained on vegetarian food
than a diet based on meat. Livestock occupy over 30 percent
of our planet's land surface, and 33 percent of global
arable land is used to grow their feed, pointing to why a
meat-based diet requires seven times more land than a
plant-based diet. Thus, one of the easiest ways to help
restore our environment and feed more people is to stop
raising and killing animals for human consumption. We have
no right to take the life of an animal when we cannot give
it.

Economically, a vegetarian diet is preferable to a
nonvegetarian diet. The same energy one can get from meat
and eggs one can get from pulses and cereals. it actually
costs three or four times as much money to produce an
equivalent amount of calories from animal sources as from
vegetable sources.

Some people may worry that self-control and too much care
about nature would hamper development and bring about
poverty. We know too well, however, that the more we
consume, the more expensive things become, leading to the
growth of the destitute class. Reckless commercial
development also results in economic and social crises,
bringing further suffering to the poor. ahinsa, or nonharm,
does not deny economic development; it only exercises self-
control, limits our desires. Desires are endless. More and
more desires give rise to materialism and extraordinary
greed, far beyond basic human needs and sustainable
consumption.

Greed results in the destruction of the very roots of our
life. if we want to prevent the world from becoming a
barren desert and our societies from growing into monstrous
systems of injustice and suffering, self-control and
nonviolence appear as the only reasonable answer -- not only
for Jains, but for people of any creed. For any spiritual
being, the destruction of life, be it in the air, the water
or on the ground, is a sin. But even if you do not
subscribe to this principle, you will agree that reckless
destruction of life could eventually lead to mankind's own
demise. Jainism is not the only indian school advocating
nonviolence and self-control as central principles.
Buddhism and Hinduism equally preach them.

[Caption] Sustenance: (top to bottom) Cows are
vegetarian. They represent the animal kingdom to Hindus,
deserving our care and respect; Indian vegetarian
cuisine is abundant with tasty dishes, from this
simple, spicy okra curry to the thick, hearty chick pea
dal

[Caption] R. P. Jain, left, is a director of Motilal
Banarsidass, a celebrated publisher of spiritual and
religious books in India. E-mail: mlbd100@gmail.com

Hinduism Today
http://www.HinduismToday.com

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Rod Speed
2009-04-11 20:24:44 EST
u*t@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Vegetarianism
>
> Forwarded message
>
> An Ethical Diet for Peace and Plenty
>
> Good health, spirituality, sound ethics, balanced ecology
> and favorable economics are among the reasons a plant-based
> diet beats meat-eating today
>
> By R. P. Jain
> Hinduism Today
> http://www.HinduismToday.com
> April/May/June, 2009
>
> This editorial is drawn from a talk given by the author
> during the Gandhi Peace Panel lectures on October 2, 2008,
> at the Eastern Connecticut State University, Willimantic,
> Connecticut, USA.

> In India, the land of ahinsa, or nonviolence,

Tell that to all those murdered during partition.

> people have traditionally been vegetarian.

Some of them have, plenty of them havent.

> Hailing from a family of staunch vegetarians,
> I consider myself fortunate to be living in
> harmony with the principles of nature.

More fool you. Even someone as stupid
as you should have noticed the carnivores.

> as a Jain follower, I strongly advocate a vegetarian diet,

And I strongly advocate that you shove your head up a dead bear's arse.

> which I find superior not only from a moral stance,
> but also from the health and culinary points of view.

You dont 'find' a damned thing. The word you want is CLAIM.

> guests at our home, coming from both vegetarian and nonvegetarian
> backgrounds, are always overwhelmed with what they describe as
> the unbelievable taste and richness of our vegetarian cuisine.

Thats the dog shit you mix in.

None of the rest of this mindless silly shit worth bothering with.

> Sadly, in recent times many Hindus, Jains and Buddhists,
> especially of the younger generation, are no longer so
> strict about our precepts and have taken to nonvegetarian
> food, mostly following the misconception that meat-eating
> is healthy. truth be told, a vegetarian diet is actually
> much healthier than one based on animal protein. it is
> argued that there is a lot of protein in meat and eggs, but
> we do not need so much concentrated protein in our diet.
> there is plenty of protein in nuts, seeds, pulses and dairy
> products, which are also far easier to digest.
> vegetarianism supports mental and physical health as well
> as spiritual cultivation. Fruits, vegetables, pulses, nuts
> and milk products provide a balanced diet which does not
> make our system toxic. this is primarily because when an
> animal is killed, it becomes dead matter. in the case of
> many vegetables, if we eat part of the vegetable and re-
> plant another part, it can grow again; it is still a living
> organism.
>
> It is a healthy sign that more and more people in the Us,
> UK, europe and other parts of the world are taking to a
> vegetarian diet in modern times, chiefly due to health
> reasons. There is a growing acceptance in the West that
> vegetarianism connotes a more positive way of living than
> flesh eating. In India, the pilgrimage destination of
> Haridwar still enjoys the status of being a vegetarian
> city. even in Japan, known to be virtually 100 percent
> nonvegetarian, you can now find vegetarian restaurants.
>
> My friend Martin Gluckman, who runs the Vedic Society and
> teaches organic and ayurvedic cooking in South Africa,
> hails Indian vegetarianism thusly: "India has the world's
> greatest cuisine and most variety of dishes, boasting to
> its amazing cultural and spiritual heritage. it has a time-
> tested vegetarian cuisine offering a delight for all senses
> and the heart. India can be proud to have the world's
> largest per-capita number of vegetarians (I have read
> reports of more than 40%). no other country can make such a
> statement of humanity and nonviolence. The vegetarian
> culture and lifestyle is India's greatest achievement and
> gift to the world. Only in years to come will the true
> value of this gift be known."
>
> [Caption] Cornucopia: Ladies vend fresh vegetables
> at a market in Pushkar, Rajasthan; (above)
> a few of the many spices that make Indian
> food so distinctive and delicious
>
> It is important that we remain vegetarian not only for our
> health and nutrition, but from the points of view of
> spirituality, compassion, ethics, ecology and economics as
> well.
>
> When we see the end product of meat in the supermarket or
> leather in the shoe store, there is a long chain of
> violence that created it. These products endorse and
> perpetuate violence in our society, which contributes to
> the terrorism that is rampant across the world. Eating
> habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
> behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence.
>
> By moving away from food of violence we can move rapidly
> toward world peace. Albert Einstein averred, "It is my view
> that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
> physical effect on human temperament, would most
> beneficially influence the lot of mankind." When a helpless
> animal is killed by a deliberate act of violence, it dies
> in great dread. Its body is flush with hormones produced by
> fear. These toxic substances enter the body of the person
> who eats the flesh and adversely affect his or her body and
> mind. I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
> animal that died in mortal fear give good health and
> refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer?
>
> Additionally, meat production is one of the most
> environmentally damaging industries in terms of pollution
> and inefficient use of agricultural land. According to a
> 2006 report from the United nations Food & agriculture
> Organization, livestock production is responsible for more
> greenhouse gasses than all the motor vehicles in the world,
> plus it severely degrades land and water.
>
> It is also necessary to remove the myth and argument that
> vegetarians will not get enough food if nonvegetarians do
> not eat meat. this is a fallacy. It has been conclusively
> proven that more people can be sustained on vegetarian food
> than a diet based on meat. Livestock occupy over 30 percent
> of our planet's land surface, and 33 percent of global
> arable land is used to grow their feed, pointing to why a
> meat-based diet requires seven times more land than a
> plant-based diet. Thus, one of the easiest ways to help
> restore our environment and feed more people is to stop
> raising and killing animals for human consumption. We have
> no right to take the life of an animal when we cannot give
> it.
>
> Economically, a vegetarian diet is preferable to a
> nonvegetarian diet. The same energy one can get from meat
> and eggs one can get from pulses and cereals. it actually
> costs three or four times as much money to produce an
> equivalent amount of calories from animal sources as from
> vegetable sources.
>
> Some people may worry that self-control and too much care
> about nature would hamper development and bring about
> poverty. We know too well, however, that the more we
> consume, the more expensive things become, leading to the
> growth of the destitute class. Reckless commercial
> development also results in economic and social crises,
> bringing further suffering to the poor. ahinsa, or nonharm,
> does not deny economic development; it only exercises self-
> control, limits our desires. Desires are endless. More and
> more desires give rise to materialism and extraordinary
> greed, far beyond basic human needs and sustainable
> consumption.
>
> Greed results in the destruction of the very roots of our
> life. if we want to prevent the world from becoming a
> barren desert and our societies from growing into monstrous
> systems of injustice and suffering, self-control and
> nonviolence appear as the only reasonable answer -- not only
> for Jains, but for people of any creed. For any spiritual
> being, the destruction of life, be it in the air, the water
> or on the ground, is a sin. But even if you do not
> subscribe to this principle, you will agree that reckless
> destruction of life could eventually lead to mankind's own
> demise. Jainism is not the only indian school advocating
> nonviolence and self-control as central principles.
> Buddhism and Hinduism equally preach them.
>
> [Caption] Sustenance: (top to bottom) Cows are
> vegetarian. They represent the animal kingdom to Hindus,
> deserving our care and respect; Indian vegetarian
> cuisine is abundant with tasty dishes, from this
> simple, spicy okra curry to the thick, hearty chick pea
> dal
>
> [Caption] R. P. Jain, left, is a director of Motilal
> Banarsidass, a celebrated publisher of spiritual and
> religious books in India. E-mail: mlbd100@gmail.com
>
> Hinduism Today
> http://www.HinduismToday.com
>
> End of forwarded message
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> Om Shanti
>
> Hindu Holocaust Museum
> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>
> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> http://www.hindu.org
> http://www.hindunet.org
>
> The truth about Islam and Muslims
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>
> DISCLAIMER AND CONDITIONS
>
> o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
> educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of
> this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily
> represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by
> copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
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> considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name,
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> have read the article.
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> advance the understanding of environmental, political, human rights,
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> copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US
> Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the
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Pearl
2009-04-12 08:10:48 EST
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:74cqmeF13384lU1@mid.individual.net...
> usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>
> > Vegetarianism
> >
> > Forwarded message
> >
> > An Ethical Diet for Peace and Plenty
> >
> > Good health, spirituality, sound ethics, balanced ecology
> > and favorable economics are among the reasons a plant-based
> > diet beats meat-eating today
> >
> > By R. P. Jain
> > Hinduism Today
> > http://www.HinduismToday.com
> > April/May/June, 2009
> >
> > This editorial is drawn from a talk given by the author
> > during the Gandhi Peace Panel lectures on October 2, 2008,
> > at the Eastern Connecticut State University, Willimantic,
> > Connecticut, USA.
>
> > In India, the land of ahinsa, or nonviolence,
>
> Tell that to all those murdered during partition.
>
> > people have traditionally been vegetarian.
>
> Some of them have, plenty of them havent.

"Many are destined to reason wrongly, others, not to reason at all;
and others, to persecute those who do reason." (Voltaire)

> > Hailing from a family of staunch vegetarians,
> > I consider myself fortunate to be living in
> > harmony with the principles of nature.
>
> More fool you. Even someone as stupid
> as you should have noticed the carnivores.

Projection. http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm .

> > as a Jain follower, I strongly advocate a vegetarian diet,
>
> And I strongly advocate that you shove your head up a dead bear's arse.

"When we see the end product of meat in the supermarket or
leather in the shoe store, there is a long chain of
violence that created it. These products endorse and
perpetuate violence in our society, which contributes to
the terrorism that is rampant across the world. Eating
habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence."

> > which I find superior not only from a moral stance,
> > but also from the health and culinary points of view.
>
> You dont 'find' a damned thing. The word you want is CLAIM.

See http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm .

> > guests at our home, coming from both vegetarian and nonvegetarian
> > backgrounds, are always overwhelmed with what they describe as
> > the unbelievable taste and richness of our vegetarian cuisine.
>
> Thats the dog shit you mix in.
>
> None of the rest of this mindless silly shit worth bothering with.

"By moving away from food of violence we can move rapidly
toward world peace. Albert Einstein averred, "It is my view
that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
physical effect on human temperament, would most
beneficially influence the lot of mankind." When a helpless
animal is killed by a deliberate act of violence, it dies
in great dread. Its body is flush with hormones produced by
fear. These toxic substances enter the body of the person
who eats the flesh and adversely affect his or her body and
mind. I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
animal that died in mortal fear give good health and
refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer? "

> > Sadly, in recent times many Hindus, Jains and Buddhists,
> > especially of the younger generation, are no longer so
> > strict about our precepts and have taken to nonvegetarian
> > food, mostly following the misconception that meat-eating
> > is healthy. truth be told, a vegetarian diet is actually
> > much healthier than one based on animal protein. it is
> > argued that there is a lot of protein in meat and eggs, but
> > we do not need so much concentrated protein in our diet.
> > there is plenty of protein in nuts, seeds, pulses and dairy
> > products, which are also far easier to digest.
> > vegetarianism supports mental and physical health as well
> > as spiritual cultivation. Fruits, vegetables, pulses, nuts
> > and milk products provide a balanced diet which does not
> > make our system toxic. this is primarily because when an
> > animal is killed, it becomes dead matter. in the case of
> > many vegetables, if we eat part of the vegetable and re-
> > plant another part, it can grow again; it is still a living
> > organism.
> >
> > It is a healthy sign that more and more people in the Us,
> > UK, europe and other parts of the world are taking to a
> > vegetarian diet in modern times, chiefly due to health
> > reasons. There is a growing acceptance in the West that
> > vegetarianism connotes a more positive way of living than
> > flesh eating. In India, the pilgrimage destination of
> > Haridwar still enjoys the status of being a vegetarian
> > city. even in Japan, known to be virtually 100 percent
> > nonvegetarian, you can now find vegetarian restaurants.
> >
> > My friend Martin Gluckman, who runs the Vedic Society and
> > teaches organic and ayurvedic cooking in South Africa,
> > hails Indian vegetarianism thusly: "India has the world's
> > greatest cuisine and most variety of dishes, boasting to
> > its amazing cultural and spiritual heritage. it has a time-
> > tested vegetarian cuisine offering a delight for all senses
> > and the heart. India can be proud to have the world's
> > largest per-capita number of vegetarians (I have read
> > reports of more than 40%). no other country can make such a
> > statement of humanity and nonviolence. The vegetarian
> > culture and lifestyle is India's greatest achievement and
> > gift to the world. Only in years to come will the true
> > value of this gift be known."
> >
> > [Caption] Cornucopia: Ladies vend fresh vegetables
> > at a market in Pushkar, Rajasthan; (above)
> > a few of the many spices that make Indian
> > food so distinctive and delicious
> >
> > It is important that we remain vegetarian not only for our
> > health and nutrition, but from the points of view of
> > spirituality, compassion, ethics, ecology and economics as
> > well.
> >
> > When we see the end product of meat in the supermarket or
> > leather in the shoe store, there is a long chain of
> > violence that created it. These products endorse and
> > perpetuate violence in our society, which contributes to
> > the terrorism that is rampant across the world. Eating
> > habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
> > behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence.
> >
> > By moving away from food of violence we can move rapidly
> > toward world peace. Albert Einstein averred, "It is my view
> > that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
> > physical effect on human temperament, would most
> > beneficially influence the lot of mankind." When a helpless
> > animal is killed by a deliberate act of violence, it dies
> > in great dread. Its body is flush with hormones produced by
> > fear. These toxic substances enter the body of the person
> > who eats the flesh and adversely affect his or her body and
> > mind. I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
> > animal that died in mortal fear give good health and
> > refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer?
> >
> > Additionally, meat production is one of the most
> > environmentally damaging industries in terms of pollution
> > and inefficient use of agricultural land. According to a
> > 2006 report from the United nations Food & agriculture
> > Organization, livestock production is responsible for more
> > greenhouse gasses than all the motor vehicles in the world,
> > plus it severely degrades land and water.
> >
> > It is also necessary to remove the myth and argument that
> > vegetarians will not get enough food if nonvegetarians do
> > not eat meat. this is a fallacy. It has been conclusively
> > proven that more people can be sustained on vegetarian food
> > than a diet based on meat. Livestock occupy over 30 percent
> > of our planet's land surface, and 33 percent of global
> > arable land is used to grow their feed, pointing to why a
> > meat-based diet requires seven times more land than a
> > plant-based diet. Thus, one of the easiest ways to help
> > restore our environment and feed more people is to stop
> > raising and killing animals for human consumption. We have
> > no right to take the life of an animal when we cannot give
> > it.
> >
> > Economically, a vegetarian diet is preferable to a
> > nonvegetarian diet. The same energy one can get from meat
> > and eggs one can get from pulses and cereals. it actually
> > costs three or four times as much money to produce an
> > equivalent amount of calories from animal sources as from
> > vegetable sources.
> >
> > Some people may worry that self-control and too much care
> > about nature would hamper development and bring about
> > poverty. We know too well, however, that the more we
> > consume, the more expensive things become, leading to the
> > growth of the destitute class. Reckless commercial
> > development also results in economic and social crises,
> > bringing further suffering to the poor. ahinsa, or nonharm,
> > does not deny economic development; it only exercises self-
> > control, limits our desires. Desires are endless. More and
> > more desires give rise to materialism and extraordinary
> > greed, far beyond basic human needs and sustainable
> > consumption.
> >
> > Greed results in the destruction of the very roots of our
> > life. if we want to prevent the world from becoming a
> > barren desert and our societies from growing into monstrous
> > systems of injustice and suffering, self-control and
> > nonviolence appear as the only reasonable answer -- not only
> > for Jains, but for people of any creed. For any spiritual
> > being, the destruction of life, be it in the air, the water
> > or on the ground, is a sin. But even if you do not
> > subscribe to this principle, you will agree that reckless
> > destruction of life could eventually lead to mankind's own
> > demise. Jainism is not the only indian school advocating
> > nonviolence and self-control as central principles.
> > Buddhism and Hinduism equally preach them.
> >
> > [Caption] Sustenance: (top to bottom) Cows are
> > vegetarian. They represent the animal kingdom to Hindus,
> > deserving our care and respect; Indian vegetarian
> > cuisine is abundant with tasty dishes, from this
> > simple, spicy okra curry to the thick, hearty chick pea
> > dal
> >
> > [Caption] R. P. Jain, left, is a director of Motilal
> > Banarsidass, a celebrated publisher of spiritual and
> > religious books in India. E-mail: mlbd100@gmail.com

Good article. Thanks, Jai.

> > Hinduism Today
> > http://www.HinduismToday.com
> >
> > End of forwarded message
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
> >
> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > http://www.hindu.org
> > http://www.hindunet.org
> >
> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
> >
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Rod Speed
2009-04-12 13:43:07 EST
pearl wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

>>> Vegetarianism

>>> Forwarded message

>>> An Ethical Diet for Peace and Plenty

>>> Good health, spirituality, sound ethics, balanced
>>> ecology and favorable economics are among the
>>> reasons a plant-based diet beats meat-eating today

>>> By R. P. Jain
>>> Hinduism Today
>>> http://www.HinduismToday.com
>>> April/May/June, 2009

>>> This editorial is drawn from a talk given by the author during
>>> the Gandhi Peace Panel lectures on October 2, 2008, at the
>>> Eastern Connecticut State University, Willimantic, Connecticut, USA.

>>> In India, the land of ahinsa, or nonviolence,

>> Tell that to all those murdered during partition.

>>> people have traditionally been vegetarian.

>> Some of them have, plenty of them havent.

> "Many are destined to reason wrongly, others, not to reason at all;
> and others, to persecute those who do reason." (Voltaire)

He's dead, stupid. You can tell from the smell.

>>> Hailing from a family of staunch vegetarians,
>>> I consider myself fortunate to be living in
>>> harmony with the principles of nature.

>> More fool you. Even someone as stupid
>> as you should have noticed the carnivores.

> Projection.

Wanking.

> http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm .

More of your irrelevant wanking.

>>> as a Jain follower, I strongly advocate a vegetarian diet,

>> And I strongly advocate that you shove your head up a dead bear's arse.

> "When we see the end product of meat in
> the supermarket or leather in the shoe store,
> there is a long chain of violence that created it.

Corse there is never ever anything like that with you vegys, eh ?

> These products endorse and perpetuate violence in our society,
> which contributes to the terrorism that is rampant across the world.
> Eating habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
> behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence."

Have fun explaining the utterly unspeakable result we saw during partition.

>>> which I find superior not only from a moral stance,
>>> but also from the health and culinary points of view.

>> You dont 'find' a damned thing. The word you want is CLAIM.

> See http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm .

More of your irrelevant wanking.

>>> guests at our home, coming from both vegetarian and nonvegetarian
>>> backgrounds, are always overwhelmed with what they describe as
>>> the unbelievable taste and richness of our vegetarian cuisine.

>> Thats the dog shit you mix in.

>> None of the rest of this mindless silly shit worth bothering with.

> "By moving away from food of violence
> we can move rapidly toward world peace.

Have fun explaining the utterly unspeakable result we saw during partition.

> Albert Einstein averred, "It is my view that the
> vegetarian manner of living, by its purely physical
> effect on human temperament, would most
> beneficially influence the lot of mankind."

Have fun explaining the utterly unspeakable result we saw during partition.

> When a helpless animal is killed by a deliberate
> act of violence, it dies in great dread.

Like hell they do when you kill them properly.

And the vegys are even more helpless, they cant even run away, stupid.

> Its body is flush with hormones produced by fear. These
> toxic substances enter the body of the person who eats
> the flesh and adversely affect his or her body and mind.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

> I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
> animal that died in mortal fear give good health and
> refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer? "

I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
vegetable that died in mortal fear give good health
and refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer?

>>> Sadly, in recent times many Hindus, Jains and Buddhists,
>>> especially of the younger generation, are no longer so
>>> strict about our precepts and have taken to nonvegetarian
>>> food, mostly following the misconception that meat-eating
>>> is healthy. truth be told, a vegetarian diet is actually
>>> much healthier than one based on animal protein. it is
>>> argued that there is a lot of protein in meat and eggs, but
>>> we do not need so much concentrated protein in our diet.
>>> there is plenty of protein in nuts, seeds, pulses and dairy
>>> products, which are also far easier to digest.
>>> vegetarianism supports mental and physical health as well
>>> as spiritual cultivation. Fruits, vegetables, pulses, nuts
>>> and milk products provide a balanced diet which does not
>>> make our system toxic. this is primarily because when an
>>> animal is killed, it becomes dead matter. in the case of
>>> many vegetables, if we eat part of the vegetable and re-
>>> plant another part, it can grow again; it is still a living
>>> organism.
>>>
>>> It is a healthy sign that more and more people in the Us,
>>> UK, europe and other parts of the world are taking to a
>>> vegetarian diet in modern times, chiefly due to health
>>> reasons. There is a growing acceptance in the West that
>>> vegetarianism connotes a more positive way of living than
>>> flesh eating. In India, the pilgrimage destination of
>>> Haridwar still enjoys the status of being a vegetarian
>>> city. even in Japan, known to be virtually 100 percent
>>> nonvegetarian, you can now find vegetarian restaurants.
>>>
>>> My friend Martin Gluckman, who runs the Vedic Society and
>>> teaches organic and ayurvedic cooking in South Africa,
>>> hails Indian vegetarianism thusly: "India has the world's
>>> greatest cuisine and most variety of dishes, boasting to
>>> its amazing cultural and spiritual heritage. it has a time-
>>> tested vegetarian cuisine offering a delight for all senses
>>> and the heart. India can be proud to have the world's
>>> largest per-capita number of vegetarians (I have read
>>> reports of more than 40%). no other country can make such a
>>> statement of humanity and nonviolence. The vegetarian
>>> culture and lifestyle is India's greatest achievement and
>>> gift to the world. Only in years to come will the true
>>> value of this gift be known."
>>>
>>> [Caption] Cornucopia: Ladies vend fresh vegetables
>>> at a market in Pushkar, Rajasthan; (above)
>>> a few of the many spices that make Indian
>>> food so distinctive and delicious
>>>
>>> It is important that we remain vegetarian not only for our
>>> health and nutrition, but from the points of view of
>>> spirituality, compassion, ethics, ecology and economics as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> When we see the end product of meat in the supermarket or
>>> leather in the shoe store, there is a long chain of
>>> violence that created it. These products endorse and
>>> perpetuate violence in our society, which contributes to
>>> the terrorism that is rampant across the world. Eating
>>> habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
>>> behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence.
>>>
>>> By moving away from food of violence we can move rapidly
>>> toward world peace. Albert Einstein averred, "It is my view
>>> that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
>>> physical effect on human temperament, would most
>>> beneficially influence the lot of mankind." When a helpless
>>> animal is killed by a deliberate act of violence, it dies
>>> in great dread. Its body is flush with hormones produced by
>>> fear. These toxic substances enter the body of the person
>>> who eats the flesh and adversely affect his or her body and
>>> mind. I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
>>> animal that died in mortal fear give good health and
>>> refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer?
>>>
>>> Additionally, meat production is one of the most
>>> environmentally damaging industries in terms of pollution
>>> and inefficient use of agricultural land. According to a
>>> 2006 report from the United nations Food & agriculture
>>> Organization, livestock production is responsible for more
>>> greenhouse gasses than all the motor vehicles in the world,
>>> plus it severely degrades land and water.
>>>
>>> It is also necessary to remove the myth and argument that
>>> vegetarians will not get enough food if nonvegetarians do
>>> not eat meat. this is a fallacy. It has been conclusively
>>> proven that more people can be sustained on vegetarian food
>>> than a diet based on meat. Livestock occupy over 30 percent
>>> of our planet's land surface, and 33 percent of global
>>> arable land is used to grow their feed, pointing to why a
>>> meat-based diet requires seven times more land than a
>>> plant-based diet. Thus, one of the easiest ways to help
>>> restore our environment and feed more people is to stop
>>> raising and killing animals for human consumption. We have
>>> no right to take the life of an animal when we cannot give
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Economically, a vegetarian diet is preferable to a
>>> nonvegetarian diet. The same energy one can get from meat
>>> and eggs one can get from pulses and cereals. it actually
>>> costs three or four times as much money to produce an
>>> equivalent amount of calories from animal sources as from
>>> vegetable sources.
>>>
>>> Some people may worry that self-control and too much care
>>> about nature would hamper development and bring about
>>> poverty. We know too well, however, that the more we
>>> consume, the more expensive things become, leading to the
>>> growth of the destitute class. Reckless commercial
>>> development also results in economic and social crises,
>>> bringing further suffering to the poor. ahinsa, or nonharm,
>>> does not deny economic development; it only exercises self-
>>> control, limits our desires. Desires are endless. More and
>>> more desires give rise to materialism and extraordinary
>>> greed, far beyond basic human needs and sustainable
>>> consumption.
>>>
>>> Greed results in the destruction of the very roots of our
>>> life. if we want to prevent the world from becoming a
>>> barren desert and our societies from growing into monstrous
>>> systems of injustice and suffering, self-control and
>>> nonviolence appear as the only reasonable answer -- not only
>>> for Jains, but for people of any creed. For any spiritual
>>> being, the destruction of life, be it in the air, the water
>>> or on the ground, is a sin. But even if you do not
>>> subscribe to this principle, you will agree that reckless
>>> destruction of life could eventually lead to mankind's own
>>> demise. Jainism is not the only indian school advocating
>>> nonviolence and self-control as central principles.
>>> Buddhism and Hinduism equally preach them.
>>>
>>> [Caption] Sustenance: (top to bottom) Cows are
>>> vegetarian. They represent the animal kingdom to Hindus,
>>> deserving our care and respect; Indian vegetarian
>>> cuisine is abundant with tasty dishes, from this
>>> simple, spicy okra curry to the thick, hearty chick pea
>>> dal
>>>
>>> [Caption] R. P. Jain, left, is a director of Motilal
>>> Banarsidass, a celebrated publisher of spiritual and
>>> religious books in India. E-mail: mlbd100@gmail.com
>
> Good article. Thanks, Jai.
>
>>> Hinduism Today
>>> http://www.HinduismToday.com
>>>
>>> End of forwarded message
>>>
>>> Jai Maharaj
>>> http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
>>> http://www.mantra.com/jai
>>> http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
>>> Om Shanti
>>>
>>> Hindu Holocaust Museum
>>> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>>>
>>> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
>>> http://www.hindu.org
>>> http://www.hindunet.org
>>>
>>> The truth about Islam and Muslims
>>> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>>>
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Stray Dog
2009-04-12 14:47:42 EST

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Rod Speed wrote:

> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:43:07 +1000
> From: Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, alt.fan.jai-maharaj,
> alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.computer.consultants,
> soc.culture.usa
> Subject: Re: VEGETARIANISM - AN ETHICAL DIET FOR PEACE AND PLENTY
>
> pearl wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>
>>>> Vegetarianism
>
>>>> Forwarded message
>
>>>> An Ethical Diet for Peace and Plenty
>
>>>> Good health, spirituality, sound ethics, balanced
>>>> ecology and favorable economics are among the
>>>> reasons a plant-based diet beats meat-eating today
>
>>>> By R. P. Jain
>>>> Hinduism Today
>>>> http://www.HinduismToday.com
>>>> April/May/June, 2009
>
>>>> This editorial is drawn from a talk given by the author during
>>>> the Gandhi Peace Panel lectures on October 2, 2008, at the
>>>> Eastern Connecticut State University, Willimantic, Connecticut, USA.
>
>>>> In India, the land of ahinsa, or nonviolence,
>
>>> Tell that to all those murdered during partition.
>
>>>> people have traditionally been vegetarian.
>
>>> Some of them have, plenty of them havent.
>
>> "Many are destined to reason wrongly, others, not to reason at all;
>> and others, to persecute those who do reason." (Voltaire)
>
> He's dead, stupid. You can tell from the smell.

For "pearl": please notice the following other phrases and sentences used
by Rod Speed....

Nope. Wrong. Wota terminal fuckwit. Go and fuck yourself.

Yep, bullet in the back of the neck for drunks and all other
addicts, and send the bill for the bullet to their relos like China does.

That kills fuck all now. Wrong, as always. Wota surprise. Funny that.

Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

Your problem is that you dont have anything viable between your ears to
apply to what you find using google.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about what actually happens.

You dont have a fucking clue.

Mindlessly silly.

You are just plain wrong.

Pig ignorant lie.

Like hell it is.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

>>>> Hailing from a family of staunch vegetarians,
>>>> I consider myself fortunate to be living in
>>>> harmony with the principles of nature.
>
>>> More fool you. Even someone as stupid
>>> as you should have noticed the carnivores.
>
>> Projection.
>
> Wanking.

More Rod Speed vocabulary, here....


Only in your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasyland.

Obvious lie. Ear to ear dog shit isnt capable of thought.

Go and fuck yourself.

Corse you're too stupid to notice even something as basic as that.

Straight from someone's arse, you can tell from the smell.

It would be a FUCKING sight more surprising if it wasnt
given that those are by far the biggest users, fuckwit.

Wota terminal fuckwit.

Yep, bullet in the back of the neck for drunks and all other addicts,
and send the bill for the bullet to their relos like China does.

That kills fuck all now.

Wrong, as always. Since it HALVES the cost of health care, it does that in spades.

So they should be the first to get the bullet in the back of the neck, stupid.

Like hell they are when they HALVE the cost of health care.

Doesnt mean that the new one they churn to will do any better, fuckwit.

Wota surprise.

Funny that.

But hardly ever does.

Wota terminal fuckwit.

Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

Those fools would fuck anything up completely.

They were stupid enough to let the kleptocrats rule the roost.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

The world demand for oil continues to increase over the long haul, fool.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

Your problem is that you dont have anything viable between your ears to
apply to what you find using google.

That was nothing even remotely resembling anything like selling the
nation's assets to pay off the IMF bailout.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about what actually happens.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like Reaganomics.

Wrong.

You dont have a fucking clue.

Wrong.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about what actually happened.

Nope, you dont have a fucking clue about even the most basic stuff.

Mindlessly silly.

You are just plain wrong.

Pig ignorant lie.

Nope, you wont be able to find even a single prediction
of the complete implosion of the world financial system.

Like hell it is.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about what actually happened.

Wrong, that has been going on for a hell of a lot longer than that.

Only the fools who dont have a fucking clue why they do that.

Not even one predicted the complete implosion of the world financial system.

Nope.

Wrong.

Like hell they have.

Like hell they do.

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like a treaty.

Doesnt 'rule' anyone.

Like hell they are when those govt can change them at any time.

Wrong, as always.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.


>> http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm .
>
> More of your irrelevant wanking.

I did not write the "Rod Speed FAQ" but it helps understand him....




The "Rod Speed FAQ" read it below or at the URL for yourself.....
- - - - - - - - -
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/ms
g00462.html
- - - - - - - - - -

After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]


Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod
Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered
he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the
big, hard man" on the InterNet.

Rod is believed to be from Australia.


Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?

It relates back to the point about boosting his own self esteem by
what amounts to effectively having a wank in public. Rod's
personality, as exemplified by his posts, means he is practically
unemployable which means he sits around at home all day festering
away and getting worse and worse. This means he posts more and
more try and boost the old failing self esteem. Being unemployed
also means he as a lot of time on his hands to post in he first
place.


But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?

Clever? His posts wouldn't support that theory. As far as being
knowledgable, well, Rod has posted to various aus newsgroups
including invest, comms, and politics. He has posted to all as a
self professed "expert" and flames any and all who disagree with
him. Logically, here's no way any single individual could be
more than a jack of all trades across such a wide spread of
subject matter.


But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?

Possibly. However, his "bedside manner" prevents him from being
taken seriously by most normal people. Also, he has damaged his
credibility in areas where he might know what he's on about by
shooting his self in the foot in areas where he does not. For
example, in the case of subject matter such as politics, even a
view held by Albert Einstein cannot be little more than an
opinion and to vociferously denigrate an opposing opinion is
simply small mindedness and bigotry, the kind of which Einstein
himself fought against his whole life.


What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?

Simple! He shoots off a half brained opinion in response to any
other post and touts that opinion as fact. When challenged, he
responds with vociferous and rabid denigration. He has an
instantly recognisable set of schoolboy put downs limited pretty
much to the following: "Pathetic, Puerile, Little Boy, try
harder, trivial, more lies, gutless wonder, wanker, etc etc".
The fact that Rod has been unable to come up with any new insults
says a lot about his outlook and intelligence.


But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?

It has to do with effrontery and a lack of logic. Most people
who post have some basis of reason for what they write and when
Rod retorts with his usual denigration and derision they respond
emotionally rather than logically. It's like a teacher in a
class room who has a misbehaving pupil. The teacher challenges
the pupil to explain himself and the student responds with "***
off, Big Nose!" Even thought the teacher has a fairly normal
proboscis, he gets a dent in his self-esteem and might resort to
an emotional repsonse like "yeah? well your *** wouldn't fill a
pop rivet, punk", which merely invites some oneupmanship from the
naughty pupil. Of course, the teacher should not have justified
the initial comment with a response, especially in front of the
class. The correct response was "please report to the
headmaster's office right NOW!"


What is a "RodBot"?

Some respondents in aus.invest built a "virtual Rod" which was
indiscernable from the "real" Rod. Net users could enter an
opinion or even a fact and the RoDBot would tell them they were
pathetic lying schoolboys who should be able to do better or some
equally pithy Rod Speedism.


Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?

You got it!


What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?

KillFile!

.


>>>> as a Jain follower, I strongly advocate a vegetarian diet,
>
>>> And I strongly advocate that you shove your head up a dead bear's arse.
>
>> "When we see the end product of meat in
>> the supermarket or leather in the shoe store,
>> there is a long chain of violence that created it.
>
> Corse there is never ever anything like that with you vegys, eh ?
>
>> These products endorse and perpetuate violence in our society,
>> which contributes to the terrorism that is rampant across the world.
>> Eating habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
>> behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence."
>
> Have fun explaining the utterly unspeakable result we saw during partition.
>
>>>> which I find superior not only from a moral stance,
>>>> but also from the health and culinary points of view.
>
>>> You dont 'find' a damned thing. The word you want is CLAIM.
>
>> See http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm .
>
> More of your irrelevant wanking.

More of Rod Speed's "cop-out" answers.

>>>> guests at our home, coming from both vegetarian and nonvegetarian
>>>> backgrounds, are always overwhelmed with what they describe as
>>>> the unbelievable taste and richness of our vegetarian cuisine.
>
>>> Thats the dog shit you mix in.
>
>>> None of the rest of this mindless silly shit worth bothering with.
>
>> "By moving away from food of violence
>> we can move rapidly toward world peace.
>
> Have fun explaining the utterly unspeakable result we saw during partition.

Here is how to handle Rod Speed....


<reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your
predicament
that fools absolutely no one at all, as always, flushed where it belongs>





Rod Speed
2009-04-12 17:44:04 EST
Some gutless fuckwit psychopath with pathetic psychotic
delusions about being a dog, desperately cowering behind
Stray Dog desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out
of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door, onto its lard arse.

No surprise that its so pathetically bitter and twisted about it.



Stray Dog
2009-04-12 18:20:54 EST

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Rod Speed wrote:


I, Rod Speed, am a gutless fuckwit psychopath with pathetic psychotic
delusions because my psychiatrist does not have my meds adjusted properly,
so I desperately cower behind my tantrums caused by my neurotic bipolar
recurences that need me to desperately attempt to bullshit and lie my way
out of my helpless predicament because I also have autistic spectrum
disorder, but I fool no one at all but myself, as always.

I, Rod Speed, am also a prick. Not only that but I know I'm a prick. And,
furthermore, I love to be a prick. I even enjoy being a prick. I will
continue to be a prick all my life. I get a great sense of power being a
prick.

In addition, I also have obsessive-compulsive disorder, which explains why
I like to play "Rambo" and pull the trigger on the machine gun, no matter
where it is pointed. This also includes wild comments posted to
newsgroups.

I also love to write up very "theatrical" knee-jerk reactions (see
my "fuckwit" outburst posts) whenever I get a tantrum because the tantrum
keeps me from staying cool and think properly, and that comes from my
other neurosis: delusions of grandeaur. So, I do copy and paste from my
store of "canned" responses. That's why they show no imagination.

I also love to be confrontational without backing up my ad hominem
attacks, and love to change my opinion on anything just to argue against
people. "Everyone loves a bully" I say.

I'm also, by definition, absolutely 200% right, 200% of the time; I'm
never wrong. I have a monopoly on truth. I am God. I am infalible.

In between posts I torture defenseless and harmless small animals and
insects because it gives me an infinite sense of power and importance.

If I'm down at the beach and see kids making sand castles, I run through
them to smash them down and make the kids cry.

I wish my psychiatrist could get my meds adjusted so it would fix my
broken dysfunctional brain.

I always pop my cork whenever I see the "Rod Speed FAQ" which somebody
wrote and spoiled my fun years ago.

Saying "I'm sorry" and "please" is not part of my programming.

I'm actually a wackobot.





























Rod Speed
2009-04-12 20:53:08 EST
Some gutless fuckwit psychopath with pathetic psychotic
delusions about being a dog, desperately cowering behind
Stray Dog desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out
of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door, onto its lard arse.

No surprise that its so pathetically bitter and twisted about it.



D*@.
2009-04-13 01:54:48 EST
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:06:15 GMT, usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

>Vegetarianism
>
>Forwarded message
>
>An Ethical Diet for Peace and Plenty
>
>Good health, spirituality, sound ethics, balanced ecology
>and favorable economics are among the reasons a plant-based
>diet beats meat-eating today
>
>By R. P. Jain
>Hinduism Today
>http://www.HinduismToday.com
>April/May/June, 2009
. . .
>There is a growing acceptance in the West that
>vegetarianism connotes a more positive way of living than
>flesh eating.

· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

Harmony
2009-04-13 16:07:08 EST
fresh veggie food is a much better alternative than 1/4 pounder hamburger,
with lots of fries with lots of salt. there is somebody on the net i have
heard eats too much hambergers.


<*t@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20090410Svlf04z66WUaPxwqLI8GsBq@JEnyF...
> Vegetarianism
>
> Forwarded message
>
> An Ethical Diet for Peace and Plenty
>
> Good health, spirituality, sound ethics, balanced ecology
> and favorable economics are among the reasons a plant-based
> diet beats meat-eating today
>
> By R. P. Jain
> Hinduism Today
> http://www.HinduismToday.com
> April/May/June, 2009
>
> This editorial is drawn from a talk given by the author
> during the Gandhi Peace Panel lectures on October 2, 2008,
> at the Eastern Connecticut State University, Willimantic,
> Connecticut, USA.
>
> In India, the land of ahinsa, or nonviolence, people have
> traditionally been vegetarian. Hailing from a family of
> staunch vegetarians, I consider myself fortunate to be
> living in harmony with the principles of nature. as a Jain
> follower, I strongly advocate a vegetarian diet, which I
> find superior not only from a moral stance, but also from
> the health and culinary points of view. guests at our home,
> coming from both vegetarian and nonvegetarian backgrounds,
> are always overwhelmed with what they de scribe as the
> unbelievable taste and richness of our vegetarian cuisine.
>
> Sadly, in recent times many Hindus, Jains and Buddhists,
> especially of the younger generation, are no longer so
> strict about our precepts and have taken to nonvegetarian
> food, mostly following the misconception that meat-eating
> is healthy. truth be told, a vegetarian diet is actually
> much healthier than one based on animal protein. it is
> argued that there is a lot of protein in meat and eggs, but
> we do not need so much concentrated protein in our diet.
> there is plenty of protein in nuts, seeds, pulses and dairy
> products, which are also far easier to digest.
> vegetarianism supports mental and physical health as well
> as spiritual cultivation. Fruits, vegetables, pulses, nuts
> and milk products provide a balanced diet which does not
> make our system toxic. this is primarily because when an
> animal is killed, it becomes dead matter. in the case of
> many vegetables, if we eat part of the vegetable and re-
> plant another part, it can grow again; it is still a living
> organism.
>
> It is a healthy sign that more and more people in the Us,
> UK, europe and other parts of the world are taking to a
> vegetarian diet in modern times, chiefly due to health
> reasons. There is a growing acceptance in the West that
> vegetarianism connotes a more positive way of living than
> flesh eating. In India, the pilgrimage destination of
> Haridwar still enjoys the status of being a vegetarian
> city. even in Japan, known to be virtually 100 percent
> nonvegetarian, you can now find vegetarian restaurants.
>
> My friend Martin Gluckman, who runs the Vedic Society and
> teaches organic and ayurvedic cooking in South Africa,
> hails Indian vegetarianism thusly: "India has the world's
> greatest cuisine and most variety of dishes, boasting to
> its amazing cultural and spiritual heritage. it has a time-
> tested vegetarian cuisine offering a delight for all senses
> and the heart. India can be proud to have the world's
> largest per-capita number of vegetarians (I have read
> reports of more than 40%). no other country can make such a
> statement of humanity and nonviolence. The vegetarian
> culture and lifestyle is India's greatest achievement and
> gift to the world. Only in years to come will the true
> value of this gift be known."
>
> [Caption] Cornucopia: Ladies vend fresh vegetables
> at a market in Pushkar, Rajasthan; (above)
> a few of the many spices that make Indian
> food so distinctive and delicious
>
> It is important that we remain vegetarian not only for our
> health and nutrition, but from the points of view of
> spirituality, compassion, ethics, ecology and economics as
> well.
>
> When we see the end product of meat in the supermarket or
> leather in the shoe store, there is a long chain of
> violence that created it. These products endorse and
> perpetuate violence in our society, which contributes to
> the terrorism that is rampant across the world. Eating
> habits reflect upon a human being's thoughts, speech and
> behavior. A nonvegetarian diet makes one prone to violence.
>
> By moving away from food of violence we can move rapidly
> toward world peace. Albert Einstein averred, "It is my view
> that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
> physical effect on human temperament, would most
> beneficially influence the lot of mankind." When a helpless
> animal is killed by a deliberate act of violence, it dies
> in great dread. Its body is flush with hormones produced by
> fear. These toxic substances enter the body of the person
> who eats the flesh and adversely affect his or her body and
> mind. I have always wondered, how can the carcass of an
> animal that died in mortal fear give good health and
> refined, spiritual inclinations to its consumer?
>
> Additionally, meat production is one of the most
> environmentally damaging industries in terms of pollution
> and inefficient use of agricultural land. According to a
> 2006 report from the United nations Food & agriculture
> Organization, livestock production is responsible for more
> greenhouse gasses than all the motor vehicles in the world,
> plus it severely degrades land and water.
>
> It is also necessary to remove the myth and argument that
> vegetarians will not get enough food if nonvegetarians do
> not eat meat. this is a fallacy. It has been conclusively
> proven that more people can be sustained on vegetarian food
> than a diet based on meat. Livestock occupy over 30 percent
> of our planet's land surface, and 33 percent of global
> arable land is used to grow their feed, pointing to why a
> meat-based diet requires seven times more land than a
> plant-based diet. Thus, one of the easiest ways to help
> restore our environment and feed more people is to stop
> raising and killing animals for human consumption. We have
> no right to take the life of an animal when we cannot give
> it.
>
> Economically, a vegetarian diet is preferable to a
> nonvegetarian diet. The same energy one can get from meat
> and eggs one can get from pulses and cereals. it actually
> costs three or four times as much money to produce an
> equivalent amount of calories from animal sources as from
> vegetable sources.
>
> Some people may worry that self-control and too much care
> about nature would hamper development and bring about
> poverty. We know too well, however, that the more we
> consume, the more expensive things become, leading to the
> growth of the destitute class. Reckless commercial
> development also results in economic and social crises,
> bringing further suffering to the poor. ahinsa, or nonharm,
> does not deny economic development; it only exercises self-
> control, limits our desires. Desires are endless. More and
> more desires give rise to materialism and extraordinary
> greed, far beyond basic human needs and sustainable
> consumption.
>
> Greed results in the destruction of the very roots of our
> life. if we want to prevent the world from becoming a
> barren desert and our societies from growing into monstrous
> systems of injustice and suffering, self-control and
> nonviolence appear as the only reasonable answer -- not only
> for Jains, but for people of any creed. For any spiritual
> being, the destruction of life, be it in the air, the water
> or on the ground, is a sin. But even if you do not
> subscribe to this principle, you will agree that reckless
> destruction of life could eventually lead to mankind's own
> demise. Jainism is not the only indian school advocating
> nonviolence and self-control as central principles.
> Buddhism and Hinduism equally preach them.
>
> [Caption] Sustenance: (top to bottom) Cows are
> vegetarian. They represent the animal kingdom to Hindus,
> deserving our care and respect; Indian vegetarian
> cuisine is abundant with tasty dishes, from this
> simple, spicy okra curry to the thick, hearty chick pea
> dal
>
> [Caption] R. P. Jain, left, is a director of Motilal
> Banarsidass, a celebrated publisher of spiritual and
> religious books in India. E-mail: mlbd100@gmail.com
>
> Hinduism Today
> http://www.HinduismToday.com
>
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