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RSPB Bullshitters At It Again, Feathering Their Own Nests To The Tune Of 2.6m To Slaughter Mutant Ninja Mice!
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Old Codger
2008-05-20 02:44:25 EST
The RSPB and other CONservation hooligans have come up with some
fantastic tall tales in the past to justify their Nazi style
persecution if alien species which we the tax payer has funded to the
tune of £456m in the last decade.

The latest *LIE* they expect us to fall for is that a mouse weighing
35grams is killing the albatross chicks that weigh up to 10kgs each.

This is the RSPB taking the piss to the extreme and the mugs that end
up paying for it is us!

They got away with fantastic stories to slaughter rare black rats on
Lundy and other islands. They got away with pushing through the
slaughter of the entire European population of ruddy ducks
see http://tinyurl.com/3qoopa
and
http://tinyurl.com/3wp3wh

and now they are trying it on with this fantastic story which is based
on nothing but the fact a mouse was seen near a dead chick on an open
nest in a field!

We cant stop what our taxes are wasted on but we can certainly stop
donating to the CONservation hooligans.

Whilst millions is wasted on Nazi style persecution of wildlife the
real conservation issues go without funding.

Imagine if they pull it off. Fat cat wages for all involved.
Helicopter rides to dump tonnes of highly toxic poisons
indiscriminately on yet another island!

It's time we stopped this hemorrhage of money being diverted to the
gold diggers whilst conservation suffers.

http://tinyurl.com/535yax

Giant carnivorous mice threaten world's greatest seabird colony

John Vidal guardian.co.uk, Monday May 19 2008

Whalers who visited remote Gough Island in the South Atlantic 150
years ago described a prelapsarian world where millions of birds lived
without predators and where a man could barely walk because he would
trip over their nests. Today the British-owned island, described as
the most important seabird colony in the world, still hosts 22
breeding bird species and is a world heritage site.

But Gough is the stage for one of nature's greatest horror shows. One
of those whaling boats, probably from Britain, carried a few house
mice stowaways who jumped ship on Gough. Now there are 700,000 or more
of them on the island, which is the size of Guernsey.

What is horrifying ornithgologists is that the humble house mouse
which landed on Gough has somehow evolved to two or even three times
the size of an ordinary British house mice, and instead of being a
vegetarian, eating insects and seeds, has adapted itself to become a
carnivore, eating albatross, petrel and shearwater chicks alive in
their nests. They are now believed to be the largest mice found
anywhere in the world.

Those who have witnessed the phenomenon say that the supersized mice
attack at night either on their own or in groups, gnawing through the
nests and into the baby birds' bodies. Their parents, who have never
experienced predators, are unable defend their offspring from the
rodents' furtive attacks.

Yesterday, Birdlife International, a global alliance of conservation
groups, recognised that the mutant mice, who are without predators
themselves, are now completely out of control and are threatening to
make extinct several of the world's rarest bird species.

The organisation, which runs the Red List of endangered bird species,
raised both the Tristan albatross, of which only a few remain in the
world, and the Gough bunting, a small finch found nowhere else in the
world, on to the list of the world's most critically endangered
species, the highest category of threat. Five other bird species on
the island are also said to be threatened.

"Things are getting worse on Gough. In the presence of house mice, the
albatross and bunting have no chance of survival. The only hope for
these threatened birds is the complete eradication of mice", said Dr
Geoff Hilton, an RSPB scientist who has been researching conservation
problems in UK overseas territories.

"The world's greatest seabird island is being eaten alive, as the mice
are likely to be affecting the fortunes of many seabirds on the
island. Without help, Gough Island will be likely to lose the majority
of seabirds," said Hilton.

Studies suggest that about 60% of all Gough's bird chicks die in their
nests, probably because of predation by the mice. "It is a
catastrophe. The albatross chicks weigh up to 10kgs. Ironically, they
evolved on Gough because it had no mammal predators - that is why they
are so vulnerable. The mice weigh just 35g; it is like a tabby cat
attacking a hippopotamus", said Hilton.

Yesterday, the RSPB proposed hiring helicopters to drop thousands of
tonnes of rodent poison on the island. "A government-funded
feasibility study done with New Zealand, which has eradicated rats
from many islands, shows it is possible. They mice would take the
poison and just go to their nests and die. We think it could be done
fairly easily and would cost about £2.6m", said a spokeswoman.

"The study shows there is a glimmer of light showing that we might be
able to fix this problem. The UK government has supported us in
discovering the problem, in conducting the feasibility study, and now
in finalising our plan for the mouse eradication. The big question is
whether the UK will take its international commitments seriously and
do what the governments of New Zealand and Australia have done, and
provide the big money needed to actually do the mouse eradication. If
they don't, we won't be able to give two critically threatened species
the lifeline they need"

Britain has long been criticised for not maintaining the ecology of
its overseas territories which are mainly made up of groups of islands
like Pitcairn, Tristan da Cunha, and the Falklands. Of the world's 190
most endangered birds, 32 are now officially British responsibility.

The discovery that the mice had supersized themselves and adapted
their diets was made by Richard Cuthbert, a professional ornithologist
who spent a year on the island in 2001 and only stumbled on the
phenomenon as he was leaving the island. "It sounds incredulous,
implausible that a mouse could attack a chick, but these chicks are
really big spherical balls of fat covered in down, and because they
are so fat and big they cannot defend themselves", he said later.

David Lee
2008-05-21 11:36:02 EST
Well of course it is a very difficult decision whether to believe a peer
reviewed paper in a Royal Society Journal (*) when we have such an
erudite essay to set against it!

Thanks for sharing a very interesting news item but in future we could
do without the bigotted ravings, thank you very much.

David

(*) Wanless et al, Biol. Lett. 3, 241-244 (2007)

3. RESULTS
Mice were filmed attacking and killing live healthy
chicks of all the three study species. Both albatross
chicks filmed being attacked died subsequently. Video
evidence shows up to 10 mice attacking a chick,
eating from three open wounds (figure 2a). Mice
visited every filmed burrow, and attacked and killed
one of the three great shearwater chicks and six out of
nine Atlantic petrel chicks. No chicks displayed
appropriate behavioural responses to attacks, even
though mice had eaten through the body wall of one
filmed albatross chick and were consuming the
contents of the chick's abdominal cavity (figure 2b).
Most breeding failures in the albatross and petrels
occurred when healthy chicks either disappeared or
were reduced to stripped carcasses between nest
checks. The first wounded albatross chicks (some of
which were still being brooded) were found in March
and attacks continued into September in all subcolonies.
Out of 256 monitored chicks, 19 were
found wounded (of which 17 died) and 100 (39%)
had died by late September. However, estimated
breeding success differed significantly in sub-colonies.
Island-wide breeding success in 2004 was 0.27, identical
to 2001.
Attacks on Atlantic petrel chicks commenced at
hatching in July, and by September, 20 out of 60
monitored chicks (33.3%) survived.
Chicks were all apparently healthy (as defined
previously) when attacked, whereas we found three
dead/moribund chicks without wounds. Mice do not
appear to target weak or sick individuals. We conclude
that the unusually high chick mortality in both species
can be ascribed to mouse attacks with confidence.




"Old Codger" <oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote in message
news:5tr4341tajqris3u8r2qa5idtrk2n5j4e3@4ax.com...
> The RSPB and other CONservation hooligans have come up with some
> fantastic tall tales in the past to justify their Nazi style
> persecution if alien species which we the tax payer has funded to the
> tune of £456m in the last decade.
>
> The latest *LIE* they expect us to fall for is that a mouse weighing
> 35grams is killing the albatross chicks that weigh up to 10kgs each.
>
> This is the RSPB taking the piss to the extreme and the mugs that end
> up paying for it is us!
>
> They got away with fantastic stories to slaughter rare black rats on
> Lundy and other islands. They got away with pushing through the
> slaughter of the entire European population of ruddy ducks
> see http://tinyurl.com/3qoopa
> and
> http://tinyurl.com/3wp3wh
>
> and now they are trying it on with this fantastic story which is based
> on nothing but the fact a mouse was seen near a dead chick on an open
> nest in a field!
>
> We cant stop what our taxes are wasted on but we can certainly stop
> donating to the CONservation hooligans.
>
> Whilst millions is wasted on Nazi style persecution of wildlife the
> real conservation issues go without funding.
>
> Imagine if they pull it off. Fat cat wages for all involved.
> Helicopter rides to dump tonnes of highly toxic poisons
> indiscriminately on yet another island!
>
> It's time we stopped this hemorrhage of money being diverted to the
> gold diggers whilst conservation suffers.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/535yax
>
> Giant carnivorous mice threaten world's greatest seabird colony
>
> John Vidal guardian.co.uk, Monday May 19 2008
>
> Whalers who visited remote Gough Island in the South Atlantic 150
> years ago described a prelapsarian world where millions of birds lived
> without predators and where a man could barely walk because he would
> trip over their nests. Today the British-owned island, described as
> the most important seabird colony in the world, still hosts 22
> breeding bird species and is a world heritage site.
>
> But Gough is the stage for one of nature's greatest horror shows. One
> of those whaling boats, probably from Britain, carried a few house
> mice stowaways who jumped ship on Gough. Now there are 700,000 or more
> of them on the island, which is the size of Guernsey.
>
> What is horrifying ornithgologists is that the humble house mouse
> which landed on Gough has somehow evolved to two or even three times
> the size of an ordinary British house mice, and instead of being a
> vegetarian, eating insects and seeds, has adapted itself to become a
> carnivore, eating albatross, petrel and shearwater chicks alive in
> their nests. They are now believed to be the largest mice found
> anywhere in the world.
>
> Those who have witnessed the phenomenon say that the supersized mice
> attack at night either on their own or in groups, gnawing through the
> nests and into the baby birds' bodies. Their parents, who have never
> experienced predators, are unable defend their offspring from the
> rodents' furtive attacks.
>
> Yesterday, Birdlife International, a global alliance of conservation
> groups, recognised that the mutant mice, who are without predators
> themselves, are now completely out of control and are threatening to
> make extinct several of the world's rarest bird species.
>
> The organisation, which runs the Red List of endangered bird species,
> raised both the Tristan albatross, of which only a few remain in the
> world, and the Gough bunting, a small finch found nowhere else in the
> world, on to the list of the world's most critically endangered
> species, the highest category of threat. Five other bird species on
> the island are also said to be threatened.
>
> "Things are getting worse on Gough. In the presence of house mice, the
> albatross and bunting have no chance of survival. The only hope for
> these threatened birds is the complete eradication of mice", said Dr
> Geoff Hilton, an RSPB scientist who has been researching conservation
> problems in UK overseas territories.
>
> "The world's greatest seabird island is being eaten alive, as the mice
> are likely to be affecting the fortunes of many seabirds on the
> island. Without help, Gough Island will be likely to lose the majority
> of seabirds," said Hilton.
>
> Studies suggest that about 60% of all Gough's bird chicks die in their
> nests, probably because of predation by the mice. "It is a
> catastrophe. The albatross chicks weigh up to 10kgs. Ironically, they
> evolved on Gough because it had no mammal predators - that is why they
> are so vulnerable. The mice weigh just 35g; it is like a tabby cat
> attacking a hippopotamus", said Hilton.
>
> Yesterday, the RSPB proposed hiring helicopters to drop thousands of
> tonnes of rodent poison on the island. "A government-funded
> feasibility study done with New Zealand, which has eradicated rats
> from many islands, shows it is possible. They mice would take the
> poison and just go to their nests and die. We think it could be done
> fairly easily and would cost about £2.6m", said a spokeswoman.
>
> "The study shows there is a glimmer of light showing that we might be
> able to fix this problem. The UK government has supported us in
> discovering the problem, in conducting the feasibility study, and now
> in finalising our plan for the mouse eradication. The big question is
> whether the UK will take its international commitments seriously and
> do what the governments of New Zealand and Australia have done, and
> provide the big money needed to actually do the mouse eradication. If
> they don't, we won't be able to give two critically threatened species
> the lifeline they need"
>
> Britain has long been criticised for not maintaining the ecology of
> its overseas territories which are mainly made up of groups of islands
> like Pitcairn, Tristan da Cunha, and the Falklands. Of the world's 190
> most endangered birds, 32 are now officially British responsibility.
>
> The discovery that the mice had supersized themselves and adapted
> their diets was made by Richard Cuthbert, a professional ornithologist
> who spent a year on the island in 2001 and only stumbled on the
> phenomenon as he was leaving the island. "It sounds incredulous,
> implausible that a mouse could attack a chick, but these chicks are
> really big spherical balls of fat covered in down, and because they
> are so fat and big they cannot defend themselves", he said later.


Old Codger
2008-05-22 13:35:58 EST
On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:36:02 +0100, "David Lee"
<davidlee_malvern@dontusethisbit.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Well of course it is a very difficult decision whether to believe a peer
>reviewed paper in a Royal Society Journal (*) when we have such an
>erudite essay to set against it!

Such a well respected reliable report no one is prepared to use it,
not even the CONservation hooligans themselves!

Doesnt that strike you as strange?

Loser.

Old Codger
2008-05-22 13:41:55 EST
On Thu, 22 May 2008 18:35:58 +0100, Old Codger
<*r@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:36:02 +0100, "David Lee"
><davidlee_malvern@dontusethisbit.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well of course it is a very difficult decision whether to believe a peer
>>reviewed paper in a Royal Society Journal (*) when we have such an
>>erudite essay to set against it!
>
>Such a well respected reliable report no one is prepared to use it,
>not even the CONservation hooligans themselves!
>
>Doesnt that strike you as strange?
>
>Loser.

And look where the bullshit report came from "Invasive Species
Specialist Group" the biggest CONservation hooligan of them all run by
Himmlers kindred spirit himself.

With mice as big as they claim they'll soon be saddling them up. Mind
you I cannot imagine a mouse getting very far after supposedly eating
a meal 300 times larger than itself!

What a fantastic tale they tell!


David Lee
2008-05-23 10:23:56 EST
Old Codger wrote...>
> And look where the bullshit report came from "Invasive Species
> Specialist Group" the biggest CONservation hooligan of them all run by
> Himmlers kindred spirit himself.
>
> With mice as big as they claim they'll soon be saddling them up. Mind
> you I cannot imagine a mouse getting very far after supposedly eating
> a meal 300 times larger than itself!
>
> What a fantastic tale they tell!

Actually the paper was published in a Royal Society Journal - Biology
Letters - which is a peer-reviewed publication.

See http://tinyurl.com/5847hf

The electronic supplemental material includes a rather unpleasant video
clip of a Tristan albatross chick being eaten alive by mice.

The astonishing fact is that the chick displays no sign of reaction to
the mice devouring the contents of its body cavity.



Old Codger
2008-05-23 12:15:28 EST
On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:23:56 +0100, "David Lee"
<davidlee_malvern@dontusethisbit.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Old Codger wrote...>
>> And look where the bullshit report came from "Invasive Species
>> Specialist Group" the biggest CONservation hooligan of them all run by
>> Himmlers kindred spirit himself.
>>
>> With mice as big as they claim they'll soon be saddling them up. Mind
>> you I cannot imagine a mouse getting very far after supposedly eating
>> a meal 300 times larger than itself!
>>
>> What a fantastic tale they tell!
>
>Actually the paper was published in a Royal Society Journal - Biology
>Letters - which is a peer-reviewed publication.
>
>See http://tinyurl.com/5847hf
>
>The electronic supplemental material includes a rather unpleasant video
>clip of a Tristan albatross chick being eaten alive by mice.
>
>The astonishing fact is that the chick displays no sign of reaction to
>the mice devouring the contents of its body cavity.
>

There's nothing scientific about the *claim* that a mouse eating
something 300 times it's own size could possibly cause the decline in
seabirds claimed. What we have is people prepared to try and bullshit
us with science that is in actual fact none existent in the hope that
no one notices!

The same was tried on the Lundy rare black rats. They baffled us with
bullshit about how they are causing the decline of puffins on Lundy in
the hope that we wouldn't notice puffin decline was exactly the same
on many other islands without rats and even today without rats the
story remains the same!

They bullshitted the slaughter of the entire population throughout
Europe of the ruddy duck because of the white headed duck demise, when
even the man who highlighted the real WHD decline said the ruddy duck
was not to blame!

Millions is being wasted in an obsessive scapegoating of alien species
and genuine conservation issues are left floundering.

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