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And/or Www.mantra.com/jai Dr. Jai Maharaj
2008-01-21 19:52:38 EST
C.S. Lewis, Narnia, and the Fight for Animals: The Roar Heard Around the World

Critics are calling The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The
Witch and TheWardrobe "childlike magic," "gorgeous," and
"spectacular." Rocketing to number one in 14 countries, the
film version of C.S. Lewis' beloved literary classic brings
to vivid life the talking animals, the dwarfs, the fauns,
the centaurs, and the giants who have enchanted countless
fans over the years.

Beyond the big-budget Hollywood hoopla, Narnia is a
reflection of Lewis' belief that a person's identity
springs from his or her relationships -- with the Earth,
animals, people, and God. The Oxford and Cambridge academic
maintained that people who do not have a caring and
appreciative attitude toward animals will not likely have a
caring and appreciative attitude toward humans. He despised
the abuse of animals and condemned even the cruelty that
was sanctioned by educated men in authority --
experimentation on animals, or "vivisection." Lewis wrote:
"The victory of vivisection marks a great advance in the
triumph of ruthless, non-moral utilitarianism over the old
world of ethical law; a triumph in which we, as well as
animals, are already the victims and of which Dachau and
Hiroshima mark the more recent achievements. In justifying
cruelty to animals we put ourselves also on the animal
level. We choose the jungle and must abide by our choice."

In an essay in the recently published book Revisiting
Narnia, PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk argues that C.S.
Lewis would be an animal rights activist if he were alive
today. "After all," Newkirk writes, "he was a vehement
anti-vivisectionist, and his all-time hero was a cat."
Newkirk writes that in Lewis' time, "The idea of preserving
habitat or the thought that animals actually have feelings
and can enjoy, love, be devoted to and grieve for their
fellows had not yet been born. Lewis might well have
marveled at how close other animals' DNA is to our own, but
no such finding had appeared in scientific periodicals. . . .
If he had known what we found decades after his death --
that elephants communicate at frequencies inaudible to the
human ear, as do mice, that gulls sing lullabies to their
chicks in the nest, that squid send messages via dermal
patterns of light and color, that prairie dogs utter
different sounds to announce the presence of friend, foe or
stranger, and volumes of similar research showing that
animals talk outside of fairy tales -- I believe Lewis
would have evolved from a kindly man into a true animal
rights activist. I wish, at the very least, I had the
opportunity to discuss it with him."

Read C.S. Lewis' essay on vivisection.
http://www.stopanimaltests.com/pdfs/CS_Lewis_on_Vivisection.pdf

C.S. Lewis on Vivisection

The Christian defender is very apt to say that we are
entitled to do anything we please to animals because they
'have no souls'. But what does this mean? If it means that
animals have no consciousness, then how is this known? They
certainly behave as if the had, or at least the higher
animals do. I myself am inclined to think that far fewer
animals than is supposed have what we should recognize as
consciousness. But that is only an opinion. Unless we know
on other grounds that vivisection is right we must not take
the moral risk of tormenting them on a mere opinion.

On the other hand, the statement that they 'have no souls'
may mean that they have no moral responsibilities and are
not immortal. But the absence of 'soul' in that sense makes
the infliction of pain upon them not easier bur harder to
justify, for it means that animals cannot deserve pain, nor
profit morally by the discipline of pain, nor be
recompensed by happiness in another life for suffering in
this. ... 'Soullessness', in so far as it is relevant to
the question at all, is an argument against vivisection.

Most [vivisectors are] naturalistic and Darwinian. Now
here, surely, we come up against a very alarming fact. The
very same people who will most contemptuously brush aside
any consideration of animal suffering if it stands in the
way of 'research' will also, in another context, most
vehemently deny that there is any radical difference
between man and the other animals.

The victory of vivisection marks a great advance in the
triumph of ruthless, non-moral utilitarianism over the old
world of ethical law; a triumph in which we, as well as
animals, are already the victims and of which Dachau and
Hiroshima mark the more recent achievements. In justifying
cruelty to animals we put ourselves also on the animal
level. We choose the jungle and must abide by our choice.

I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was
"Feed my sheep,"not "Try experiments on my rats,"or even
"Teach my performing dogs new tricks."

End of forwarded message from:
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Pearl
2008-01-21 20:08:29 EST
<*t@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in message news:20080121E17ctIm6NOw079qdQ3M77sC@V1oO5...
> C.S. Lewis, Narnia, and the Fight for Animals: The Roar Heard Around the World
>
> Critics are calling The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The
> Witch and TheWardrobe "childlike magic," "gorgeous," and
> "spectacular." Rocketing to number one in 14 countries, the
> film version of C.S. Lewis' beloved literary classic brings
> to vivid life the talking animals, the dwarfs, the fauns,
> the centaurs, and the giants who have enchanted countless
> fans over the years.
>
> Beyond the big-budget Hollywood hoopla, Narnia is a
> reflection of Lewis' belief that a person's identity
> springs from his or her relationships -- with the Earth,
> animals, people, and God. The Oxford and Cambridge academic
> maintained that people who do not have a caring and
> appreciative attitude toward animals will not likely have a
> caring and appreciative attitude toward humans. He despised
> the abuse of animals and condemned even the cruelty that
> was sanctioned by educated men in authority --
> experimentation on animals, or "vivisection." Lewis wrote:
> "The victory of vivisection marks a great advance in the
> triumph of ruthless, non-moral utilitarianism over the old
> world of ethical law; a triumph in which we, as well as
> animals, are already the victims and of which Dachau and
> Hiroshima mark the more recent achievements. In justifying
> cruelty to animals we put ourselves also on the animal
> level. We choose the jungle and must abide by our choice."
>
> In an essay in the recently published book Revisiting
> Narnia, PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk argues that C.S.
> Lewis would be an animal rights activist if he were alive
> today. "After all," Newkirk writes, "he was a vehement
> anti-vivisectionist, and his all-time hero was a cat."
> Newkirk writes that in Lewis' time, "The idea of preserving
> habitat or the thought that animals actually have feelings
> and can enjoy, love, be devoted to and grieve for their
> fellows had not yet been born. Lewis might well have
> marveled at how close other animals' DNA is to our own, but
> no such finding had appeared in scientific periodicals. . . .
> If he had known what we found decades after his death --
> that elephants communicate at frequencies inaudible to the
> human ear, as do mice, that gulls sing lullabies to their
> chicks in the nest, that squid send messages via dermal
> patterns of light and color, that prairie dogs utter
> different sounds to announce the presence of friend, foe or
> stranger, and volumes of similar research showing that
> animals talk outside of fairy tales -- I believe Lewis
> would have evolved from a kindly man into a true animal
> rights activist. I wish, at the very least, I had the
> opportunity to discuss it with him."

http://www.wikihow.com/Communicate-With-Your-Cat

> Read C.S. Lewis' essay on vivisection.
> http://www.stopanimaltests.com/pdfs/CS_Lewis_on_Vivisection.pdf
>
> C.S. Lewis on Vivisection
>
> The Christian defender is very apt to say that we are
> entitled to do anything we please to animals because they
> 'have no souls'. But what does this mean? If it means that
> animals have no consciousness, then how is this known? They
> certainly behave as if the had, or at least the higher
> animals do. I myself am inclined to think that far fewer
> animals than is supposed have what we should recognize as
> consciousness. But that is only an opinion. Unless we know
> on other grounds that vivisection is right we must not take
> the moral risk of tormenting them on a mere opinion.
>
> On the other hand, the statement that they 'have no souls'
> may mean that they have no moral responsibilities and are
> not immortal. But the absence of 'soul' in that sense makes
> the infliction of pain upon them not easier bur harder to
> justify, for it means that animals cannot deserve pain, nor
> profit morally by the discipline of pain, nor be
> recompensed by happiness in another life for suffering in
> this. ... 'Soullessness', in so far as it is relevant to
> the question at all, is an argument against vivisection.
>
> Most [vivisectors are] naturalistic and Darwinian. Now
> here, surely, we come up against a very alarming fact. The
> very same people who will most contemptuously brush aside
> any consideration of animal suffering if it stands in the
> way of 'research' will also, in another context, most
> vehemently deny that there is any radical difference
> between man and the other animals.
>
> The victory of vivisection marks a great advance in the
> triumph of ruthless, non-moral utilitarianism over the old
> world of ethical law; a triumph in which we, as well as
> animals, are already the victims and of which Dachau and
> Hiroshima mark the more recent achievements. In justifying
> cruelty to animals we put ourselves also on the animal
> level. We choose the jungle and must abide by our choice.
>
> I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was
> "Feed my sheep,"not "Try experiments on my rats,"or even
> "Teach my performing dogs new tricks."
>
> End of forwarded message from:
> http://www.stopanimaltests.com/f-cs_lewis.asp?int=weekly_enews
>
> Jai Maharaj
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> http://www.mantra.com/jai
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>
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Rudy Canoza
2008-01-21 20:38:09 EST
lying shitbag Jay Stevens - not a doctor, not an Indian, not a Hindoo
- blabbered:

> C.S. Lewis, Narnia, and the Fight for Animals: The Roar Heard Around the World
>
> Critics are calling The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The
> Witch and TheWardrobe "childlike magic," "gorgeous," and
> "spectacular." Rocketing to number one in 14 countries, the
> film version of C.S. Lewis' beloved literary classic brings
> to vivid life the talking animals, the dwarfs, the fauns,
> the centaurs, and the giants who have enchanted countless
> fans over the years.  
>
> Beyond the big-budget Hollywood hoopla, Narnia is a
> reflection of Lewis' belief that a person's identity
> springs from his or her relationships -- with the Earth,
> animals, people, and God. The Oxford and Cambridge academic
> maintained that people who do not have a caring and
> appreciative attitude toward animals will not likely have a
> caring and appreciative attitude toward humans. He despised
> the abuse of animals and condemned even the cruelty that
> was sanctioned by educated men in authority --
> experimentation on animals, or "vivisection."

And like all other lying "ar" hypocrites, he benefited from
vivisection.

Pearl
2008-01-21 20:49:36 EST
"Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com>

The Socialised Psychopath or Sociopath
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html




And/or Www.mantra.com/jai Dr. Jai Maharaj
2008-01-21 22:17:53 EST
In article <fn3i0f$b7j$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
"pearl" <tea@signguestbook.ie> posted:

> "Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com>
>
> The Socialised Psychopath or Sociopath
> http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm
>
> Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
> http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html

Dhanyavaad for your work in identifying net terrorists.

Jai Maharaj
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http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti

Rudy Canoza
2008-01-22 02:49:09 EST
On Jan 21, 7:17 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <fn3i0f$b7...@reader01.news.esat.net>,
> "pearl" <t...@signguestbook.ie> posted:
>
> > "Rudy Canoza" <notgen...@yahoo.com>
>
> > The Socialised Psychopath or Sociopath
> >http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm
>
> > Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
> >http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
>
> Dhanyavaad for your work in identifying net terrorists.

Oh, blow it out your gaping ass, Stevens, you fucking spammer.

Rudy Canoza
2008-01-22 02:49:27 EST
On Jan 21, 5:49 pm, "pearl" <t...@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" <notgen...@yahoo.com>
>
> The Socialised Psychopath or

Fuck off, twat.
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