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Jan Didawick
2004-02-01 10:12:52 EST
what makes a dog want to hump people's legs? This sounds weird, but my dog
tries to do it to people.



The Puppy Wizard
2004-02-01 12:26:56 EST
HOWEDY Jan,

"Jan Didawick" <fawnie@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:UH8Tb.10029$9a4.8350@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> what makes a dog want to hump people's legs?

Puppys may do that as immature masturbation.
Adult dogs do that from anxiHOWESNESS.

> This sounds weird, but my dog tries to do it to people.

It'll take WON DAY to break that habit if you know HOWE.

Here's some puppy raising tips:


Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.

"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.

In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.

If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.

Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."

END lyingfrosty dahl

If you are interested in purchasing a dignified stick to
lay across you puppy's arse, just send a personal check
or money order in the amount of $30-$40 for a 30"-40"
long whuppin stick.

These all natural hickory switches will outlast an
entire litter of puppies! MAYBE MOORE!! Supplies
limited, so HURRY! Be the first in your club to have
the hickory switch training aid guaranteed for the life
of your dog (which may be much shorter than nature
intended!).

Ask yourself: "HOWE COME DOESN'T JERRY
HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM?"

And then just answer: "On AccHOWENT Of
JERRY KNOWS HOWE TO TRAIN DOGS
WITHOUT HURTING THEM."

And THEN SAY OUT LHOWED: "IGNORE
JERRY, HE'S MEAN TO DOG ABUSERS."

You can get all the information you need to
PUPPERLY handle and train your dog using
non force, non confrontational, scientific and
psychological methods, in your FREE copy
of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual.


Psychoclown wrote:

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something
you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says:

"I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit
of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the
article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON'T READ IT!),
there is NO mention in it of twisting ears (INDEED, SHE
PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES).

I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO
BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM).

I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE'S A
PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to
ADMIT THE TRUTH???).

I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where
slapping a dog is anything but destructive."

RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff doesn't
mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama....

amy lyingfrosty dahl continues:

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply.

REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.

Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the
dog will give in

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.

Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear."

Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis.


"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pals are playin with a full deck?



Mr Know_It_All
2004-02-03 20:41:04 EST
Christ you are a fucking idiot. Instead of lecturing us on how all these
people are animal abusers using the wrong techniques. Why don't you do
something usefull like tell us what the correct technique is?
Or is the only thing you are interested in here is Flamming everybody's
opinion you don't agree with?

yours truly
Mr. Know It All
(know it all except the right way to correct unwanted behavior because it's
not being shared in this N.G.)



The Puppy Wizard
2004-02-03 21:43:34 EST
HOWEDY Mr. Know_It_All,

From: Nevyn (greatdane@badmama.com.au)
Subject: Re: thoughts ?
Date: 2003-11-12 19:39:39 PST

Hi Tidds

Personally, if I was completely incompetent and niave and had
no idea about dog training, I would use Mugfords' method. We
sell his Halti at work to people who buy dogs. However, after
using Jerry Howes manual for almost a year I have devised my
own method of training which incorporates teaching your pet to
be well behaved and being obedient. . They are conditioned the
same way a parent conditions a child. Parents will create
behavioural problems in a child (and for the rest of his life)
if, when they child is doing something, they always look at
the negative aspects. "Why didn't you get the extra 10% on
your test? You missed a spot of paint on your model train
etc..." Believing that this will drive him to improve himself,
but it doesnt, because we don't think like that. But, as I do
with the dogs i train, if you use the theory that. "Thats
wonderful! But its even better if you do it this way!". This
is how i train my dogs. You MUST praise all behaviour. Doesn't
matter if good or bad. They will always want to please you,
and if they can do it in a better way, they pick it up alot
quicker. When I was studying my vet nursing certificate, my
behavioural studies teacher was trying to teach us that you
must SCREAM IN THE DOGS FACE TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL.

Wow.

Her and I spent nearly 2 hours arguing infront of the class. Not
to mention I was the only male in a class of 20. But we won't
go into that !hehe Needless to say I managed to make her see
the light about getting dogs to calm themselves. She now keeps
a copy of Jerrys manual on her desk for reference. Huh.
Amazing!

We have behavioural therapists for dogs. Everyone knows this.
We also have behavioural therapists for people. Did you know
that? No, they are not psychologists. They "train" people,
who'se parents mistreated them, to be able to socialise and be
in society, get into the workforce, be able to live with a
spouse, even teach fathers who were abused how not to abuse
their wife and children.. Now. How would that work if THEY
SCREAMED IN THEIR CLIENTS FACES when they did something wrong? No.
They comfort them, reassure them,
praise them and ask them to try again.

--
Thankyou,
Nevyn

_________________________________
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
g*e@badmama.com.au
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals"
__________________________________

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"Nevyn" <greatdane@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:1061695905.896739@grimiore.conceptual.net.au...

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

================

From: Nevyn (nevyn@webtec.net.au)
Subject: thoughts on wits end
Date: 2003-03-18 17:30:13 PST


I guess the goal of every trainer is to find his preferred
method of training a dog. This is exactly what the wits' end
manual will help you do. Reading this manual will give you a
base on which to create your own method. When you bake a cake, you
read the recipie first, then the next time, you may
look at the recipie and indulge yourself, adding this or that,
removing this or removing that, changing this or changing
that. The next time you decide to bake this certain cake, you
wont need the recipie, youve created your own, using your own
method.

It is imperative to begin by disaccociating "training" from
"behavioural therapy". They are not the same things. When
you pick up a dog trainers business card, it says "JOE
BLOGGS, DOG TRAINER AND BEHAVIOURAL THERAPIST, 25 YEARS
EXPERIENCE".

If training and behavioural therapy were the same, why
would an expert put them as different things on their card?.

Exactly.

It is my belief, from my own experience, that "training" as
such, though it will create an animal that will do as it is
asked, does not create the complete human-canine companionship
bond that can exist. Nor does it address
certain behavoural issues. Sure, the dog will STOP doing
what its doing wrong, but it doesnt REMOVE the behaviour, because
the dog is still THINKING about doing this certain behaviour, but
is scared of being told to STOP.

Nevyn

================

From: Nevyn (nevyn@webtec.net.au)
Subject: You guys are nuts...
Date: 2003-02-26 01:52:21 PST

Hey Everyone,

It's Nevyn here. Remember me? I hope so.
Well I see your all baggin on Jerry as usual. Well... Why?
His Methods are the best I have come across. And I have
visited 10's of trainers and behavioural therapists. His
methods create a _COMPANION_ animal. A FRIEND.

His methods do not create slaves and dogs that are trained
in obedience only. OBIDIENCE TRAINING Does not address Behavioural
problems, people! Companionship training DOES.

Why? Because the dog comes to rely on YOU as its mentor.

Norma Briggs... Your licking problem... ok. My dog used to do
this. I let her sleep inside on the beds. After using Jerrys
manual, within 3 days she had stopped. She doens't lick at
all. What's happening is she is WORRYING that you are
incapacitated in some way. So she is licking you for a
response. She is NOT Maliciously waiting for you to go to
sleep. Do you understand that?

After meeting Jerry almost 24 months ago now, I have decided
to become a Trainer and Therpist myself. I am doing some
private training here and there. But I do not take peoples
dogs and do "dog programming" like all you "professional"
trainers. I observe the dog and its' handler and TRAIN THE
HANDLER TO HANDLE CORRECTLY. Most dogs' only
need to see me three times and then they are well on there
way to being a perfect companion, ALL USING JERRYS MANUAL.

All of you can scream Koehler all you like, or quote Mike
Dufort all you want. They are sadistic controlling men who
must have been abused some way as a child. Indirectly or
Directly it doesnt matter. They use the dogs as an excuse
and as a release, causing pain and harm to innocent -- YES
INNOCENT -- Creatures who have done nothing wrong then simply
trying to learn what they are being taught. HOW MANY
DOGS U SPRAYED WITH BITTER APPLE THIS WEEK MIKE?

DO YOU STILL CRINGE WHEN YOU DO IT? "...then
continue with your nomral behaviour" YEP, IM SURE
THE DOGS LOVE SEEING YOU BEATING UP YOUR
KIDS. COZ THATS THE KINDA PERSON YOU COME
ACROSS AS.

I am tired of posting to this list. All of you Koehler
wanna-bes out there only fight Jerry because you will be put
out of business. It is sick. You cause harm for money, then
when you fail and advise the owner to murder their dog.


If any of you remember my first post, I was asking for help
with controlling my two mongrel bitches out in the street.
WELL THANKS TO JERRY I can now simply say "lets
go for a walk" and they line up at my feet, and we walk
around the neighbourhood, off the leash, past other dogs,
past people, past children and babies. They stop and sit
at every road until I say it's ok to cross.

And Jerrys machine... hahahaha. You guys... his machine is a
god send. It stops barking and destructive behaviour. Jerry
sent me one, FREE OF CHARGE, and I have lent it to over 20
people and families. ALL HAVING 100% results! Compulsive
barkers just watched passerbys instead of viciously
barking.... Whiners who wanted inside every waking moment were
happy to be outside... dont you get it? IT WORKS. Don't fight
progess people. Koehler is old school. His methods are not
valid in this instance, or I should say, no longer valid in
this culture... this day and age.

Heed my words people...
Talk to Jerry... He is not false.

Nevyn.

==============


Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control
psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of
weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked
me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and
she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her!

it is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the
"Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A
masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.

Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.

Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn

Nevyn says:
How are you?

Jerry says:
sup?

Nevyn says:
Oh nothing

Nevyn says:

My dogs are alot better now!

Jerry says:
fine

Jerry says:
tell me

Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't give a #@%
about other
dogs

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
Yup

Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?

Nevyn says:
No

Nevyn says:
Praised them

Jerry says:
ahh!

Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better

Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears
at them and
pours water on them

Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!

Nevyn says:
muahaha

Jerry says:
ok

Jerry says:
I'll go for that

Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if
you're
consistent

Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them

Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends

Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath

Nevyn says:
muahahaha

Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind
teat?

Nevyn says:
eh

Nevyn says:
nah

Nevyn says:
cant

Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin

Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it

Jerry says:
why not.

Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server

Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would
prefer
to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?

Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't
already know,
huh?

Nevyn says:
hah

Nevyn says:
tell them they're fuckers who need to die

Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much

Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now

Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?

Nevyn says:
pfftt

Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training

Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual

Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!

Jerry says:
hhahahahaha

Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING
you're
wanting them to do?

Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.

Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and
LAUGH your ass
off at him growling at his dogs???

Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Nevyn says:
LOL

Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!

Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune

=====================

Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when
a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL

Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!

Nevyn says:
lol

Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.

Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------

From: Nevyn (alien4@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Newsgroups: rec. pets. dogs. behavior

Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST

Hello

I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural)
x Pug (don't laugh!).

They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and
they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is
obviously dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem
with that, however;

Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good
whilst I'm walking them, some days they are not. They are 3
years old and have only been walking for about 12 months
because my mom didn't walk them and now I'm home so I
walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take
them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.

This is my problem :

The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we
walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when
she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn't,
using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in
her mouth when she barks.

She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]

Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG,
when the other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the
other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking
one
attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash... it is
quite disturbing to the people walking past.

And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs...
SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them,
and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The
less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings
there dog to the park.

How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the
methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon.
Is it just a pac k-behaviour thing?

It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some
old lady's or little girl's dog.

They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other
dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying
around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up
trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went
straight to bed when I bought them home!).

Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails
address, alien4@wasp.net.au coz this list is tooo crowded.

Thanks,
Nevyn

=======================



News.central.cox.net
2004-02-11 19:20:28 EST
We asked the vet about that when we took our beagle because he used try to
hump my leg when he was 13 weeks old. The explanation that was given to us
was show of dominance. It's puppy's instinct to find place in the hierarchy
and that they are trying to show you off. Puppies don't really settle into
hierarchy so I guess it's just a instinct thing. We were told the fastest
way of stoping this behavior is to show dominance when your dog is humping
something like your leg by saying "No" in a firm voice and set the dog in a
more compromising position like sat and staring in your eyes or whatever
works for you.
Good luck.

"Jan Didawick" <fawnie@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:UH8Tb.10029$9a4.8350@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> what makes a dog want to hump people's legs? This sounds weird, but my
dog
> tries to do it to people.
>
>



The Puppy Wizard
2004-02-11 19:29:20 EST
Tell your vet The Puppy Wizard sez he's a dog abuser.

The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >

"news.central.cox.net" <sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1GzWb.41000$L_4.16121@okepread01...
> We asked the vet about that when we took our beagle because he
used try to
> hump my leg when he was 13 weeks old. The explanation that was
given to us
> was show of dominance. It's puppy's instinct to find place in
the hierarchy
> and that they are trying to show you off. Puppies don't really
settle into
> hierarchy so I guess it's just a instinct thing. We were told
the fastest
> way of stoping this behavior is to show dominance when your dog
is humping
> something like your leg by saying "No" in a firm voice and set
the dog in a
> more compromising position like sat and staring in your eyes or
whatever
> works for you.
> Good luck.
>
> "Jan Didawick" <fawnie@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:UH8Tb.10029$9a4.8350@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > what makes a dog want to hump people's legs? This sounds
weird, but my
> dog
> > tries to do it to people.
> >
> >
>
>


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