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The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-11 11:35:02 EST
HOWEDY People,

Here's HOWE COME dogs GET behavior and temperament
problems:

"> personally I can tell you I would much rather be pinched
> than choked BUT if you know what you are doing and are
> careful with your training, a choke collar can be just as
> effective."

"Amy, Jim & Charlie" <cdogdoddy@nospamcinci.rr.com> wrote in
message news:NEea8.44974$Hu6.10637637@typhoon.neo.rr.com...
>
> There is hardly a person on this newsgroup that hasn't had a
> problem with Jerry. He will attack you with unwanted advice
> until you block/filter him along the lines of how Lori
> instructs...

> Most of us have already killfiled/filtered/blocked Jerry and
> we don't even notice his pestering anymore....It used to be
> that you'd log on to the newsgroup to find messages from
> Jerry and then reply messages from whoever he'd wrote to
> asking him to stop.
>
> If you find that his incredibly annoying tactics are not so
> annoying, and you find that his advice helps, by all means,
> ignore the rest of us. But if you find it a problem, like
> the rest of us, join the club.
>
> Amy, Jim and Charlie

> "Jim, Amy & Charlie" <cdogdoddy@nospamcinci.rr.com>
> wrote in message
> news:RmSt7.54737$6q.5518268@typhoon.neo.rr.com...
>
> Since I already have Howe killfiled I will go ahead and try
> to answer you...Choke collars carry with them a huge
> potential to injure your dog, especially if you are not
> experienced with using them.
>
> Pinch collars LOOK like medieval devices but actually
> do less 'damage' on your dog....they look crazy and mean
> but the title, "pinch" or "choke" collars, indicates what they
> do...

> personally I can tell you I would much rather be pinched
> than choked BUT if you know what you are doing and are
> careful with your training, a choke collar can be just as
> effective.
>
> PLEASE BE SURE that you do not leave your TRAINING
> collar on your dog at any time that you are not training the
> dog. Whether a choke or pinch collar, it is a TRAINING collar.
> It is not safe to leave either of these on a dog when s/he is
> unattended, nor is it safe to tie your dog up in the yard
> attached to one of these collars.
>
> We used a pinch collar on Charlie when training him because
> when we first got him, it was obvious that he had the run of
> the house with his old owners.
>
> He would pull like there was no tomorrow on a leash and
> being as he weighs almost as much as I do, this was not a
> good thing.
>
> Being a fairly dominant young male dog, it was our
> trainer's opinion that a choke collar would not have
> nearly the effect on him.
>
> This may sound contrary to what I have already said (less
> pain less effect) but a pinch collar works by pinching the
> skin around the neck, which is sensitive. A choke collar
> works by duh, choking the dog.
>
> Charlie has so much muscle around his neck that this would
> have had little effect on him, added to the fact that if he
> pulled while wearing a choke collar, he was going to choke
> himself, or cause neck damage. Pinch collars are also
> referred to as self-correcting collars because if the dog
> pulls, they get a correction.
>
> I hope this has clarified matters a bit for you.
>
> Amy, Jim & Charlie

============

"Amy, Jim, Charlie & Holly" <cdogdoddy@toobadcinci.rr.come>
wrote in message news:skYxb.48870
$*2@fe2.columbus.rr.com...

> This has got me rolling on the floor, reading all these "my
> dog never ate anything" stories.
>
> Holly has eaten, in no particular order:
>
> Shoes (multiple pairs) Flip-Flops baseball cap Tissues/TP
> Q-tips manicure sticks pillow stuffing soap drywall hygiene
> products least of all feces
>
> and who knows what else we are forgetting....
>
> Amy, Jim, Charlie & Holly (Charlie, on the other hand, has
> never eaten anything that wasn't food)
---------------------------------------------

BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

"Amy, Jim and Charlie" <cdogdoddy@nospamcinci.rr.com> wrote in
message news:5JYL8.19344$zh2.8471994@twister.neo.rr.com...
> This is TOO funny! We love (sarcasm) coming home to Charlie
> greeting us with those puppy dog eyes when *oops* we've left
> something out on the counter and he knows he's been *bad*
> ...invariably he gets into bread if we've been stupid enough
> to leave it out for him....it's a toss-up to us being lazy
> and putting him in his crate and putting the food away and
> letting him have free run of the house....oh well...
>
> Amy, Jim and Charlie (who still hasn't figured out why we
> yell at the trash or bread occasionally)

===========



Scott
2004-01-11 17:23:04 EST
I would prefer to let her do what comes naturally, be a dog. After that
I would surely appreciate it if she would fix her own dinner and
generally pick up after herself. I also would like it if she would look
both ways before we crossed the street, and finally, have a little more
respect for other creatures. Thanks for asking. scott



The Puppy Wizard wrote:

>HOWEDY People,
>
>
>
>


The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 09:26:56 EST
HOWEDY scott,

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:4002A895.1000908@2extremes.nett...
>
> Why is that?

You mean HOWE COME, scotty.

> The Puppy Wizard wrote:
>
> >You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.

HOWE COME you can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE is on accHOWENT of you're a LIAR,
a dog abuser and a MENTAL CASE.

THAT'S HOWE COME.

The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

> >"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
> >news:40021B79.3060908@2extremes.nett...
>
> >>Nope, you misunderstood. I use your method of training; I
> >>
> >>
> >create a
> >
> >
> >>diversion. I wait till she is not looking and then I shake a
> >>
> >>
> >soda can
> >
> >
> >>full of pennies so violently that she collapses in fear,
> >>
> >>
> >successfully
> >
> >
> >>removing any drive and courage she may have had. Her nerves
are
> >>
> >>
> >just
> >
> >
> >>plain shot, and I owe it all to you and your free training
> >>
> >>
> >method. I
> >
> >
> >>have even changed her name from Fang to SweetPee. You see,
now
> >>
> >>
> >every
> >
> >
> >>time we do obedience training or go for a walk, she wets
> >>
> >>
> >herself. Yes,
> >
> >
> >>I would say that under your tutelage, SweetPee has progressed
> >>
> >>
> >about as
> >
> >
> >>far as she is going to progress--and she is only a year old.
> >>
> >>
> >Nice work!
> >
> >
> >>The Puppy Wizard wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>HOWEDY scott,
> >>>
> >>>"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
> >>>news:4001CCC8.2050901@2extremes.nett...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I would prefer to let her do what comes naturally,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>You mean, you'd prefer high voltage static electricty
> >>>form abHOWET here and shock her AUTOMAGICKALLY,
> >>>as NECESSARY.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 19:58:22 EST
HOWEDY scotty,

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:400318D3.1050905@2extremes.nett...
>
> You don't seem to like it much when someone

You mean, a liar and a dog abuser and a mental
case like you, scotty?

> holds a mirror up so you can see

The Puppy Wizard has no reflection in a mirror, scotty.

> what your training method causes,

The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students ALL report 100%
TOTAL NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS, scotty.

In the problem animal business FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
The Puppy Wizard NEVER FAILS or HE'LL get the heel
HOWETA THIS BUSINESS.

> do you Mr. Puppy Wizard.

The Puppy Wizard stands by EVERY post HE'S
written here abHOWETS over the past five years,
scotty. The Puppy Wizards Methods and ADVICE
are PERFECT and TIMELESS.

> (SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM)

> > Nope, you misunderstood.

The Puppy Wizard misunderstood NUTHIN, scotty

You came here lookin to HURT your dog cause you're
INCOMPETENT as a trainer. Your FEELINGS got HURT
when The Puppy Wizard FORCED you to face your own
HUMAN NATURE, scotty.

That's HOWE COME HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and MENTAL
CASES all say the same things abHOWET The
Puppy Wizard, scotty.

> > I use your method of training;

You're a LIAR, scotty.

> > I create a diversion.

Well THAT'S not The Puppy Wizard's METHOD,
scotty. Giving a DIVERSION is AVOIDANCE, scotty.

> > I wait till she is not looking

The Puppy Wizard doesn't CARE what the dog
is LOOKIN at, scotty. The Puppy Wizard's METHOD
works with the dog's THOUGHTS, IN ADVANCE of
the obviHOWES behaviors you can SEE.

marilyn took some pics of a dog being worked
using The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wit's
End Dog Training METHOD, scotty, and SHOWED
us HOWE you CANNOT SEE the effects of the
method with the eye in real time, scotty.

> > and then I shake a soda can full of pennies

A sHOWEND is a sHOWEND, scotty. Any brief
variably alternating sHOWEND, let's say even
a belch and an alternate flatuance were the dog
to be jumpin up on you, will suffice, PROVIDED
they're INSTANTLY followed by PROLONGED
NON PHYSICAL PRAISE.

> > so violently that she collapses in fear,

Dogs are MADE fearful of sHOWENDS by HURTIN
them, scotty. The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method CURES fear of thunder,
scotty:

From: Chris Williams (k9apple@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

> > successfully

GUARANTEED, FOREVER and a DAY, scotty.

> > removing any drive and courage she may have had.

Well scotty, you're a liar and a dog abuser cause THAT
ain't HOWE The Puppy Wizard's Method is taught.

> > Her nerves are just plain shot,

Cause you're a DOG ABUSER like your pals here abHOWETS.

> > and I owe it all to you and your free training method.

You NEVER read The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual, scotty. You're a liar and
a dog abuser, scotty.

> > I have even changed her name from Fang to
> > SweetPee. You see, now every time we do
> > obedience training or go for a walk, she wets herself.

That's cause you're a DOG ABUSER, scotty.

You're not the first dog abuser here abHOWETS
to pull the same crap, scotty. You're in EXXXCELLENT
company, here abHOWETS. The first dog abusers
who tried that was steve boyer and janet boss, who
both COINCIDENTALLY chose the stand command
to DISCREDIT The Puppy Wizard's 100% NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method.

They both PROVED they'd NEVER READ the text
cause the PROBLEMS they "fHOWEND" was discussed
in other parts of the text, where Students are TAUGHT
HOWE to handle a dog withHOWET touching them.

> > Yes, I would say that under your tutelage,
> > SweetPee has progressed about as far as
> > she is going to progress--and she is only a
> > year old.

Is that the same dog you was SHOCKING, scotty?

> > Nice work!

Yeah. Here's a other dog abusin lying punk thug
coward like yourself:

Here's HOWE dog trainin EXXXPERTS become EXXXPERTS:

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

"Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37cd72a9.0401092244.1921c157@posting.google.com...
> "KrisHur" <kris_brock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<vvt43u8dp502d5@corp.supernews.com>...
> >
> > ROTFLMAO! How about first writing some legible
> > obedience instructions. I can't wait to see this
>
> OH.MY.GAWD. If he actually does this, somebody
> please tell me so I can break my ban and read it.

That so? You sez you've READ IT THREE TIMES,
you lyin dog abusing punk thug coward MENTAL CASE:

On 18 Feb 2003 01:02:05 -0800,
j*d@yahoo.com (Lynn K.) wrote:

Hell, if Jerry Howe had simply pointed to his training manual
occasionally instead of trying to bludgeon people with his
"method", I might have given it a 3rd read to try to find
something I could use in there. Maybe not.

Lynn K.

==============

> It does boggle the mind.

INDEEDY!

Was you LYING THEN or was you lying NHOWE?
Or was you lying BOTH times, i.e. you read it three
times and never read it, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

> Wonder how he got the needed experience sitting
> naked at his computer in that little shack on the dirt lot?

That's EZ! The Puppy Wizard followed your case
history of ABUSING your SELECTIVELY BRED
HAND PICKED and TESTED SAR CANDIDATE,
JIVE.

> I can't wait either.

Let's talk abHOWER your SELECTIVELY BRED
hand picked and tested SAR dog Jive's ILLUSTRIHOWES
CAREER pryor to RETIREMENT?

> This is gonna be fun.

INDEEDY!

Let's start by you EXXXPLAININ HOWE COME your
SAR dog JIVE gets HIGH SCORES in the ring where
he thinks you can HURT HIM cause you "train" him in
a ring environment EVERY DAY and yet he REFUSES
to WORK a REAL LIFE SAR site cause he KNOWS
YOU CAN'T HURT HIM unless you know where the
FIND is, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn?

> Lynn K.

You RUINED your dog cause YOU HURT HIM.

The Puppy Wizard eagerly awaits your EXXXPLANATION
and your fothcoming RETIREMENT from ABUSING DOGS.

The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

And here's lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's PARTNER
in RESCUE and SAR mentor:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.




The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 22:00:35 EST
HOWEDY scotty,

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:4003565F.2070103@2extremes.nett...
>
> Oh, Mr. Puppy Wizard, you are just so darn entertaining.

The Puppy Wizard isn't here for entertrainment or to
make friends.

> Where did you get your shtick?

The Puppy Wizard has over forty years professional
EXXXPERIENCE specializing in temperament and
behavior problems in mostly giant breed working dogs.

Everything we've been taught about dog behavior by the
likes of HOWER DOG LOVERS is DEAD WRONG.

"Linda" <llindaleedaniel@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c317fe4.0301072210.7f7ef069@posting.google.com...

> I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
> dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
> I do not know what started the problem but he came
> aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
> snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
> and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
> ad I took him with me everywhere.
>
> At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
> Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
> clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
> it was not working on his aggression problem.
>
> I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
> trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
> They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
> and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
> suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
> working as he was becoming more aggressive.
>
> I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph.D. 400 miles
> away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
> on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
> use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
>
> I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
> ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
> LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
> University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he had
> fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the gentle
> leader and when out walking and he got stressed have the
> people stop until he could get in control using treats,and work
> on clicker training.
>
> At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the
> gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would
> not come when I called him and would run away when I tried
> to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the neighborhood
> as we had become that "mean dog and women who hasn't
> trained her dog"
>
> I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
> were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were
> so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said
> I should give up on him and kill him but they would say
> "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
> responsible for him."

You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.

> As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
> going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
> Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
> Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
> He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
> not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
>
> The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
> I had been working for 18 month!
>
> Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
> from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
> I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
> blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
> can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
>
> I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
> -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
> looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
> on by.
>
> When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
> me like "you must be out of your mind"
>
> The results can make a believer!!!
>
> Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
> Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
> in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
>
> He just seemed to not notice any one.
>
> When people talked to him or ask his name he would
> look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
>
> I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
> enjoy life out in public.
>
> If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
> was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
> Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
> toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
>
>
> My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
> dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
> out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
>
>
> I know most people would have given up on him a long time
> ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
> but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
>
>
> I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

------- Message -----
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

----------------------------------


Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!

Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out of him.

Think it is hard for him but he never even seemed to think
about going off-reacting.

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase--Sunshine
come goodboy.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:17 PM
To: Lindalee
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!


----- Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression

HOWEDY Linda,

> I am not sure what happened but after two days
> Sunshine walked with me not sniffing, pulling or
> going his own way. In two and a half years he
> has never walked without his nose to the ground-
> -today he walked closer too the cart than ever
> before and turned to look at me every few minutes-
> -in past with treats and pleading he only looked
> toward me when I had a treat in my hand.
> It is hard to believe he has really changed so quickly.
> Now I have several questions--After one time with
> throwing the can he has always come on the first call-
> -do I need to try to set him up to not come so we can
> do four times in different places?

Yup. You've got to generalize the come command to make
it 100% reliable. MISTAKES ARE GOOD. You want him to
make a few mistakes so we can get the sound associated
with the command.

> I have not tried to call him off leash outside as that is
> the time he is does not come.

O.K. You know to do the HOT & Cold and Family Leadership
Exercises and you'll have a perfect come command in a couple
fifteen minute sessions.

> On the leash he came on the first call today even when he
> was starting to explore the leaves etc.

Excellent. We discussed his penchant for eating leaves and
dirt off the ground.

> He walked past several people today with hardly a second
glance-

We also discussed that he was rather aggressive, and you
were becoming very concerned about being able to keep him.

> he did see a cat about 10 feet away and when I called him
> the first time he did not respond but when I used the can he
> ran over to me and seemed to forget about the cat.

PERFECT. Next time you'll probably not need the sound.
Just remember to vary the origin of the sound each time,
day in to day out, the sequence never breaks.

> Now what do I do when he sees another dog?

You'll tell him GOOD BOY and prepare to make the sound
and praise if he continues looking, and if that fails, you'll
ask him to come, keeping in mind the sequence of the
commands with sound and the distract/praise techniques.

You'll get used to thinking that fast in a couple more days,
no problem.

> Although the calling him the four times seems easy it was
> very hard-

Yes, it takes a bit of a knack to get it just right, but if
you fail, not to worry, you'll be able to get it right the
next time.

We don't lose points for "do overs" as long as we get the
pup under control fast and EZ. That's HOWE COME that
dependable come command is so necessary.

> -I had a friend which was good since I had a lot of trouble
> calling the right way and using the can at the same time.

Yes, I recommended you may want a friend to help because
of your disability.

> I found out I had been calling him many times each time
> I called him to come.

Right. Should be about a second between requests and
the sounds on the second and fourth commands and move
off into the FPLX if that fails, and continue the technique.

EZ, huh???

> I am still working on the leash it is really hard when you
> are not standing upright as the leash can not be as loose
> since it drags on the ground-

Yeah, I don't know if you're able, but do try to handle the
lead exactly as instructed. It'll feel uncomfortable for a
few days, but we don't want that lead tangling and
accidentally pullin on him.

>-I am so worried without the leash around my hand

Psst! If you've got fair strength in your hands, let me
do the worrying for you... O.K.?

> but I am not sure if it was the leash,

Well, you know I told you it was the overcontrol of
the lead that triggers positive thigmotaxis, the opposition
reflex.

> telling him good boy everytime he looked at me

That ALWAYS works. All my Mrs. got to do is tell me
good boy and I'll do anything she asks. Hey? I think
I just figgered out HOWE COME she always gets
her way with me...

> or the cans,

Any sound will suffice, even an extraneous and coincidentally
but well timed sound will work, maybe even BETTER.

> but today seemed like a miracle.

WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

> I told a friend about this approach and they thought you
> were on "Today" this spring--was it you?

Naaah. There's nobody that has such fast EZ safe gentle
methods. I'll be on TV soon enough with my Doggy Do Right
(And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two
Did Too) machine.

But that's just gonna give me the floor to discuss the state
of the art of the animal behavior industry.

Would you do me a favor? If you're on the internet, I'd sure
appreciate it if you'd repost this to the groups, a lot of
people are saying terrible things about me and tellin folks
reports like yours, are FORGERIES by ME.

Thank you for being a good student.

Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:24 PM
To: Lindalee
Subject: Re: dog aggression

Dog training isn't LUCK. You'll do perfect or I'll get the
heel outta this business... Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression

Will let you know how it goes!!!--thanks for the encouragement

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Lindaleee
Subject: Re: dog aggression
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: dog aggression

HOWEDY Linda,

> I got your message tonight and have printed
> your manual--will start tomorrow--

Excellent.

> I am truly at my wits end!!!

Me too, but not with your problem. This one's EZ!

> Today he bite me twice breaking the skin when he was in a
> "rage" .

He's gonna be EZ. He's not even thinking about you when he
bites. He's just overexcited trying to PROTECT you. That'll
diminish immediately through simply handling the lead
properly, gettin the control and attention through the praise
conditioning, and distract/praising his aggressive thoughts
before he gets out of control.

EZ stuff.

> Once when he saw another dog-ran toward the dog

Sound/praise and repeat as necessary. Just remember
to always vary the direction the sound comes from. You
might need a helper to produce the alternate sounds in
time.

> and pulled me down-

In a couple days that'll cause him to come back to you.

> -since I do not walk or move very well, falling down is
> a major problem as I can not get up without much help.

He'll straighten out in a couple days of EZ work.

> He bite me when my hand went close to his mouth while I was
> falling.

Yes, but he wasn't conscious of YOU, he's in a fury protecting
you.

> The second time was when we were going down the street-
> -I use an electric cart

Excellent. You'll be able to handle him EZ like that.

> and a man walked toward us and He saw him before I did

That would complicate and slow things down.

> and took off-

In a couple days you'll have the control to stop him after
he's started.

> -lunging barking and snapping again I got my hand within
> reach of his mouth and he bite me-

That was predictable!

> -he bites what every is close.

At least he's consistent. That's GOOD!

> When he is not in a rage he will let me doing anything-

Of course. He sounds PERFECT. This is the kind of
dog I'd go out of my way to get for myself...

> -take is food away, touch him anywhere, or do anything to
> him-

Perfect.

> -and he will never even raise his lip but when he goes
> off he is in another world.

Yeah, kinda like me...

> You are my last hope-

You're gonna be EZ.

> -he works to help me at home--he picks up anything on the
> floor, closes doors, picks up the daily paper and will stand to
> brace me when I stand up on my bad days.

He sounds like a great dog!

> He waits for me to go out the door first and will wait until
> I call him to come in and close the door.

He'll learn the same manners when in pubic.

> He really helps me everyday and if I didn't have him life
> would much harder.

We'll fix him up in a couple days of EZ work.

> But I know if we can not solve the "rage" problem

Pssst! It's already in the bag...

> he will bite someone other than me and will have to be
> killed.

Not to worry, that'll be past history in a couple days.

> Your method seems so simple

It is. Just follow the techniques and ask me if you
need any help. I've got all kinds of fast EZ solutions
for any problem you could encounter.

> after all we have tried it does not seem possible to
> change his behavior easily-

Everything you've tried has relied on bribes force
and confrontation.

> -but I will start trying tomorrow.

And instead of trying to force him to stay in control,
you'll PRAISE his first aggressive thought and he'll
move in close to YOU to protect you, not charge at
others. He'll learn FAST that you want the aggression
and he'll want to use it BEST for YOU, so he'll do
EVERY THING you ask the first time.

I'd LOVE to have a hundred dogs just like him today.

> I use a Halti so he does not pull me over-usually!

Right, but here again, you're relying on some degree
of force to control him. That will ALWAYS trigger
the OPPOSITE of what we want, telling him to be
aggressive, not to pay attention to you and your safety.

Once he sees THAT, you're gonna need a shoe horn
to PRY him AWAY from you.

In fact, when you WANT him to attack someone all you'll
have to do is let him see someone and gently pull back
on his collar without sayin nuthin, and that'll set him off...

> but have never used punishment, choke collar or any
> other "corrections"

Good, that'll make it REAL EZ to teach him my methods.

> I taught him all his tricks and tasks with a clicker and
> food.

Fine. We'll forget the treats and use the click differently
for our puporses.

> Thanks for your help in advance-

CONGRATULATIONS in advance...

> -I pray your method will be our salvation!!!

No need to. It's already DONE.

> Linda.

Do me a favor? If you could keep a record of our
discussions and your work with your pup, and
send it in to the news groups I participate in, it'd
be a great benefit and inspiration for others in the
same or similar situations.

Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.

Yours, Jerry.

================================


--------Original Post-----------
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -

WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Will try it today and post how well this system works.
We went to a dog class that I had enrolled in for
resocialization--getting him to not lunge and try to
attack every dog he sees, we were at the third class
and I forgot the Halti but he was relaxed and had no
problem with any of the seven dogs-

-in the past he would shake and after a little while
turn away from the dogs and look at the wall. Saturday
he wanted to play with the dogs--he actually pulled
toward the dogs- kinda jumped around like he use to do
before he became aggressive- when he got close to another
dog.

Teacher was impressed with him but thought it was from
her class--I didn't tell her anything different-she had
tried but it sure was not working.

Today on our walk a dog went by and he alerted but did
not move toward the dog and when I called him he actually
came with his tail wagging and forget about the dog.

I have told everyone I see about your dog training-
-all my friends and neighbors know I have been so worried
and frustrated with Sunshine's behavior-infact some would
turn around and go the other way so as not to get close to us.

If people knew how easy it could be to get a dog to come
and listen to you there would be a lot less dogs in shelters.

I know I didn't know what to do and was afraid I would have
to kill him if he bite someone even though I loved him so
much.

--- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

HOWEDY Linda,

Your words are music to my ears, and are my
sunshine.

Thank you for being a good student. I'm available any time
you have a question or whatever.

Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.

Yours, Jerry.

================================



The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 22:01:07 EST

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:4003565F.2070103@2extremes.nett...
> Oh, Mr. Puppy Wizard, you are just so darn entertaining. Where
did you
> get your shtick?


"I Got To Tell You His Amazing Progress
Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level
And
Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who
Call Themselves Trainers," Kay Pierce, Trainer, 30 Years
Experience.

----- Original Message -----
From: <BNTDOBES@aol.com>
To: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training

> Hi Jerry, Send the post to whom ever you
> wish to. Believe me I will keep you updated.
> I got to tell you His amazing progress almost
> makes me cry.

> Kay Pierce

----- Original Message -----
From: <BNTDOBES@aol.com>
To: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training

> Jerry,

> I started Hunter on his training using your
> manual and training method.

> What a marked difference in just a few hours.
> I had him in my van and just using the sound
> with his remote trainer and telling him he's a
> good dog when he started looking like he was
> going to bark at a car worked great.

> He only barked 2 or 3 times. Then I took him
> to a spot that we had used years ago to train,
> Jerry I have hope that I can have my happy
> dog back soon. And not this tense unhappy
> creature I live with now.

> He was so happy today. I am looking forward
> to getting the machine so that he can stay
> that way.

> Thank you, Kay Pierce

----- Original Message -----
From: <BNTDOBES@aol.com>
To: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Making Progress

> Hello Jerry, Hunter and I started working
> the recall and family pack exercise today.
> On leash and in the house he has a perfect
> recall.

> And I think he really started to relax and
> enjoy himself I swear he was laughing.

> I had taught him to go to the heel position
> when he comes to me years ago. And over
> the past few months I have had to tell him
> to go there.

> Today he flew into the heel position each
> and every time without me saying a word
> to him about it. He has never bounced like
> that before.

> I trained him using conventional methods
> with a choker and pinch collar. Over the
> past few days we have been using his
> regular collar. I can tell that he enjoys it
> more.

> As I mentioned before I am a dog trainer
> and when I trained my latest dog I used
> all positive reinforcements techniques.

> When I trained for that I had been amazed
> at the results.

> Your method takes positive training to the
> next level and should really be used by all
> trainers who call themselves trainers.

> My Hunter is concentrating on me and not
> on the treat he thinks he wants. My other
> dog wants treats before she'll do anything.

> As soon as I get Hunter straightened out
> she's next.

> Thank you so much, Kay Pierce

===============

----- Original Message -----
From: <BNTDOBES@aol.com>
To: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Minor setback

HOWEDY Kay,

> Hi Jerry, I think I had a minor setback
> today with Hunter.

No problem. We can fix it. Some "setbacks"
are anticipated.

> We were trying to do the heel the way it
> is outlined in your manual.

Yes, it's not an EZ exercise, and it takes
three or four short sessions to get the feel
for it. If it's confusing, that's GOOD. It's
supposed to feel "wrong" till you "get it
right" and then you'll know what you're
striving for. It'll come to you, just let it.

> I had done something wrong my poor
> boy was getting awfully confused.

As stated. No problem. Confusion is good,
means they're thinking.

He's probably got a lot to think about since
your methods have changed. I expect dogs
like this to "stall" and not work for a few
sessions too, don't worry about it.

He's testing you for consistency about not
being corrected for mistakes. Just follow
the method.

> We took a break and worked on the recall.

You'll know when the recall is right cause
you'll see the reflex and he'll respond before
even thinking about it.

Should have that down pretty good by
now I'd expect. On the outside you'd
have a perfect come if you did the H&C
and FPLX and come in four different places,
four times each, totaling about four hours.

> I think mostly i have to be trained as
> well as my dog.

Sounds to me like you're doin fine. Don't
deviate from the technique, it all pulls together.

> the hardest part is getting used to holding
> the leash the way that you say I should.

That's crucial. The handling of the lead is
usually our first mistake that triggers the dog.

Takes most folks a few days to get comfortable with it, just like
the
heeling pattern.

Once you have the feel for it you'll know
and it'll become second nature. It's the first
thing I look for when working with or watching
a handler.

> Also could you let me know which sites
> you are posting all this on so that I can
> look it up.

I'm always on rec.pets.dogs.behavior and
cross post to the rest of the dog forums.
It's quite a circus and I'm pretty well hated
by the regulars.

They're predominantly devout koehler and
pronged and shock collar fans. They've got
a bad record of mishandling and killing dogs
and conspired for years to denigrate all non
force trainers in order to defend their force methods.

I access it through my isp's newsgroups
but if yours doesn't have them you can
easily post through google.com or any
of several free news feeders.

> Thanks Kay Pierce

They call my students liars, paid shills for
Jerry, and animal F'ers and teach folks to
choke shock crate and kill their dogs
when necessary.

I'll give you a brief story. A new poster with
a Mastiff of some sort asked about his bitch controlling out of
control dogs
in the park.

He wanted better control just so he wouldn't
have an accident if she was challenged
protecting a dog in the group from a ruffian playmate.

She had near perfect behavior and was gentle, just a good mom dog
doin a
good thing. They
told him she was a danger and he shouldn't
expose innocent dogs to her, especially being
the breed she is.

He took her to a behaviorist cause everybody
told him I'm a liar and my methods won't work.

The "behaviorist" worked with him and told
him to use a shock collar...

We could fix his dog's behavior to his
satisfaction in a couple short sessions
without ever hurting or intimidating her.

I can't figure out what's going through
these people's minds except fear.

Another dog went to the "behaviorist"
yesterday for dog fighting. I don't expect
she's alive today and the poster hasn't
written yet.

He was ready to kill her though, couldn't
risk his smaller dog, and of course the vet expenses... he just
wanted to
confirm that
he's doin the right thing.

My last student with dog/dog aggression
was Nevyn, owned two pbX bitches who
had a bad habit of fighting together and
with strange dogs. Took 24 days to make
them PERFECT on and off lead at the
park or at home...

And two weeks later Valerie came by and
cured her dog/dog/handler aggressive dog
in 3 DAYS.

Enough! Jerry.

===================

----- Original Message -----
From: <BNTDOBES@aol.com>
To: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Head Hunter

> Dear Jerry, Just thought I would write to
> let you know how well Hunter is doing.

> He had been trained using the conventional
> methodsfor obedience. He had gotten used
> to a choker and a pinch collar.

> Alot of pain and a lot of jerking around.
> I had also tried using positive reinforcement
> methods that I had been trained in. He was
> so busy looking for the treat that he didn't
> really want to work.

> So I went back to using the pinch collar on
> him and also a gentle leader when we were
> in public.

> Slowly by degrees his behavior got worse
> and he did deserve his reputation as a
> vicious dog.

> The vet had recommended that he be
> put down. I was in a panic when I found
> your web site.

> Thanks! He is now the happy dog that I
> first started out with

> 5 years ago. I am a professional trainer
> and it was distressing to me that I could
> not help my own dog.

> I had been told that some dogs don't
> respond to any kind of training and that
> a vicious dog can never be trusted again.

> I disagree!

> Hunter is a sight hound and now I can take
> him with me and he doesn't chase cars as
> much anymore which is one of his main
> problems.

> We are working on the dog aggression
> thing. And I am confident that will be
> successful too.

> I also have your BIOSOUND machine
> and that too is working good.

> I know of several rescue groups that
> would benefit from it.

> This is rather long I know but it comes
> from the heart. My Head Hunter Green
> and I have together along time and have
> been through so much together.

> Thank you for helping me save his life.

> Kay Pierce

=================

> ----- Original Message ----- From: BNTDOBES@aol.com
> To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Update

> Hi Jerry, Just an update to let you know
> how things are going. Hunter is doing
> really great thanks to you and your training
> manual.

> I cancelled the appointment with the new
> vet to get him re- evaluated for aggression.

> all weekend long I had kids run by the
> fence to try and make him bark. He didn't!

> Tonight we are going to PetsMart to work
> on his dog aggression but even that is
> going good for him. I have less and less
> of a problem with him in my vehicle.

> He doesn't try so hard to protect it from
> the four wheeled monsters that go by.

> I think soon I'll be able to leave his window
> open when we go down the road and he
> won't try to jump out at the cars that go by.

> I have shared the manual with several dog
> owners that I know and even a group of dog
> trainers.

> Thank you again. Kay


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
To: <BNTDOBES@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Update

> Have your vet call me if he's interested in
> behavior. XXX/OOO. Jerry.

===================================


----- Original Message -----
From: BNTDOBES@aol.com
To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! -
"Owners Should Always Be Given The Cold,
Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people
are that maligning you and your training
manual but tell them from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people
who advocated putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog.
I went over there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling
at him for
growling at me.

I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped
growling and I coulddo his nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk
and pull method and my other dog was trained
with treats. Hunter has gotten his enthusiasm
back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day.

Major break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried
to eat the kids through the fence. I can now
take him in the car with me again without him trying to chase cars
through
the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of
dog training is Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without
breaking the first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down.

Hunter was diagnosed aggressive and he is
going to stay alive and by my side where he belongs.

Thank you so much.
Kay

========================

----- Original Message -----
From: <Caninesanctuary@aol.com>
To: <BNTDOBES@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: Jerry the jerk howe

> Kay if you only knew what a jerk howe is
> it's either his way or your wrong no matter
> what training method you use. In a post re:
> adopting a shelter dog he stated "fu*k Buster"
> if you want I can refer you to the post.

> He's nothing but a blowhard and if he was
> closer I would pay him a visit. He used your
> post from July in his rebuttal

> Bob Garrett

----- Original Message -----
From: BNTDOBES@aol.com
To: Caninesanctuary@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Jerry the jerk howe

I have to strongly disagree that Jerry is a jerk.
I am a dog trainer and I have been for almost
30 years.

I believe strongly in positive reinforcement.
My youngest was trained using treats and praise.

My oldest how ever was not trained that way
I am ashamed to say. The result was a very dangerous dog. He has
problems
with barrier
and dominance aggression. A year ago he
put a hole in my leg that took weeks to heal.

When the vet and all of my friends advocated putting him down I
found
Jerry's website.

I was looking for a natural way to calm my
dog and train him all over again as well.

You say Jerry is a jerk well I have talked to
him on the phone and consulted him about
his training methods.

I really grilled him before I even considered
using his methods.

He loves dogs. Using his methods my Head Hunter is now a very
sweet dog. I
get kisses instead of growls.

When he growls or even looks like he is going
to bark I tell him what a good dog he is and
right away he shuts up, looks at me like I'm
nuts. But doesn't try to eat anyone.

I am happy to say that the vet thinks I have
him on major drugs. I don't! I still use a muzzle
on him when I have to take him to iffy places.
But hey I know he in now a sugar.

And the most important thing he is happy again.

It's a free country and you are entitled to your opinion. I have
mine.

Sincerely
Kay



The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 22:02:39 EST

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:4003565F.2070103@2extremes.nett...
> Oh, Mr. Puppy Wizard, you are just so darn entertaining. Where
did you
> get your shtick?

"misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16990-3CAB1F8C-1@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
> I do know she's not here with us. I really
> can't blame anyone here for her loss.

> I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did
> it because of how you write/wrote. I was
> unwilling to accept the idea that my using
> a shock collar could have any bearing on
> Peach not wanting to stay home.

> Up until I started using it my main concern
> had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.

> Once I started using the e-fence...well, then
> my concern became how to keep them from
> running off for days on end.

> I lost valuable training time becoming
> embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
> the "Jerry sux" tirades.

> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
> the world now <g>

> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is
> completely housetrained, doesn't chew
> up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark
> all the time.

> IOW a great companion and friend.

> Thanks Jerry!

=====================

"misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.ne

> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence
> this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We
> now have one dog and no collars.

> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence,
> not want to come back in the yard and would
> run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come
> back home.

> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn
> how to train my dog. She is now border trained.
> A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to
> stay in the yard.

> She no longer runs out into the road, I can
> stop her from chasing cats and she no longer
> cringes when we walk around the yard.

> I can not say loud or long enough how much
> I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't
> get a regular fence then you need to train your
> dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to
> keep my dog in our yard again.

> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty

============

"misty" <Momisty@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1199-3BD34D6A-229@storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

> Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a
> very loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to
> my 8 month old son.

> Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a
> hold on for dear life object.

> Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older
> two boys went through this stage in a different house where
> Buddy had his own room and the boys had only visits, not
> daily contact 24/7.

> Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has
> been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop
> screaming. A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with
> all the widows shut <g> being in the house it makes your
> ears pop and your nerves crawl.

> Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to
> use it. He answered my questions quite politely.

> I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is
> located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.

> At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then I
> realized after a week that he no longer screamed for hours
> on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg> he
> still demands his share of all meals. But he doesn't start
> screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.

> Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves
> were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's
> instructions. I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it
> back on and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back
> down and quit screaming.

> In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts
> come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
> He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who
> is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.

> I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like
> the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like
> things that are free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail
> him and get advice whenever I need it.

> Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the
> DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in
> electronics, knows alot about radios and anything
> mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around the house
> <g>). He does NDT for a living.

> We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is
> walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal..
> some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.

==============================




The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 22:02:54 EST

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:4003565F.2070103@2extremes.nett...
> Oh, Mr. Puppy Wizard, you are just so darn entertaining. Where
did you
> get your shtick?
>


Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman@aol.com
To: Witsenddog

Dear Jerry,

I hope you'll be able to post this message so more people who
are at their wit's end will be able to help their dogs.

To review:

Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms. At
the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly from
room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.

From there the problem grew. She would run to the far
southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.

!st attempt to help her:

I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she relaxed,
I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I thought the
problem was solved.

Traumatic event:

We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.

>From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.

I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.

The solution:

I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's End
Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy Do Right
that seemed better than anything else I came across.

A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and Director
of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me to try both the
manual and the
product.

Problem solved:

I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic. The third storm, she barked her
deep, stranger danger bark after each clap of thunder.

The fourth storm, she seemed uneasy at first. Soon she
was asleep at my feet and she napped through the rest
of the storm.

A miracle.

I am endlessly grateful to Jerry for his manual and his machine.

A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a machine
that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took the chance because
Jerry offered a full refund including shipping. Though I heard
nothing, my
puppy clearly did.

When I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest,
most quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if
to say: "What's that? I never heard that before." She
looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the
floor beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that
she is aware of its cycles.

Amazing.

Thank you Jerry.

=============




The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 22:59:00 EST

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:4003565F.2070103@2extremes.nett...
> Oh, Mr. Puppy Wizard, you are just so darn entertaining. Where
did you
> get your shtick?

Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner
Brevard Co FL, writes: Sep 9, 2000

"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.

I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.

She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.

It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
to euthanize her.

I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.

I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space
Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com

Thanks, Elaine,

===================

Hi Jerry,

I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since
borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very
highly of it.

So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every
one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few
hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no
comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,
I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really
going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.

So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just
how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air! I
started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the
morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly
to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.

I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I
wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect.
Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine's house
and if she would notice :)

I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues
Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God
bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her.
I
also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and
she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.

So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but
don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so
many new ones coming and (too few) going.

Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I
think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must
help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices
homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I
would think it would be right up her alley.

Thank you.
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life

================


Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal
Commissioner Brevard Co FL, writes:

Hi Jerry,

I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read
today. Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We
have had a lot going on in our area concerning animals.
We formed a new Task Force to address spay/neuter, pet
overpopulation and animal abuse. I needed to do a lot of
research before the first meeting and time was just not
available for anything else.

Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in
collusion, I tried to defraud him, and have sent none of
the materials that he has asked for although he has yet
to furnish the P. O. Box number that he wanted them sent
to in the first place. He goes on to state that I am no
longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is
in answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his
email with you which in his opinion was a breach of good
manners. His email only had terms and conditions of the
reward which I would consider "public information."

Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my
permission to post any email I have sent you regarding
DDR including this email.

I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of
situation from someone that obviously never intended to
make good on his reward offer in the first place.

I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive
cat. I have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if
it will calm JR down. I will let you know the results.
She goes to the same holistic vet that I go to and he is
also interested.

In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to
say that I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as
I know it has helped my dogs and cats. I have entirely
too much to do, to worry about his opinions or reward.

The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was
on your behalf as I do think your product is a valuable
tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.

I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter
approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member
of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC
agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of
the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the
board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from
AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager,
head of animal control, director of two different
shelters, etc.) and Space Coast Feline Network
http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com

I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark
know that I am involved with animals and have very little
time to play games with him also I would not recommend
your product if I did not believe in it.

Please feel free to post this email as it has no
copyright on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to me.

Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get
you down.

Elaine

Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the
mark's of this world, with some occasional successes. I
guess that's variable reinforcement?

Yours, Jerry.

===================





The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-12 23:21:51 EST

"Scott" <scott@2extremes.nett> wrote in message
news:4003565F.2070103@2extremes.nett...
> Oh, Mr. Puppy Wizard, you are just so darn entertaining. Where
did you
> get your shtick?
>

Apr 25, 01 05:59 PM
Margaret Hoffman
m*6@aol.com

Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe

I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I
do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It
truly
does work - at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy
recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both
in a
"class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high
spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an
older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find
Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have
him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and
effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I
wouldn't
dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no
longer
jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me
incessantly
on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a
very long story and I won't bore you with all the details, but
suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and
for
us. Marge Hoffman

P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my
DDR!

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