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Culprit
2004-01-08 18:08:17 EST

"pgtr" <pgtr(deletethisandsubstituteatsymbol)bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>
> If there is a stray dog hanging around your house for an extended
> period and you decide to 'adopt' and become responsible for owning it
> - what if any steps do you need to take?
>
> After a while we've decided to go ahead and adopt this mix dog we've
> had hanging about. I first ran a couple ads in the local paper and put
> a sign out front but never found the owner.
>
> Now that I've invested in his shots and will likely get him neutered
> here before long as well as heartworm etc (food, training...) - are
> there any steps we need to take to 'make it official' so to speak?

have him checked for a microchip or tattoo. if he's clean, and no one has
claimed him, i'd think that getting him a license is about all you need to
do.

-kelly



Pgtr
2004-01-08 18:11:33 EST

If there is a stray dog hanging around your house for an extended
period and you decide to 'adopt' and become responsible for owning it
- what if any steps do you need to take?

After a while we've decided to go ahead and adopt this mix dog we've
had hanging about. I first ran a couple ads in the local paper and put
a sign out front but never found the owner.

Now that I've invested in his shots and will likely get him neutered
here before long as well as heartworm etc (food, training...) - are
there any steps we need to take to 'make it official' so to speak?

thanks

Kyler Laird
2004-01-08 23:12:10 EST
pgtr <pgtr(deletethisandsubstituteatsymbol)bigfoot.com> writes:

>If there is a stray dog hanging around your house for an extended
>period and you decide to 'adopt' and become responsible for owning it
>- what if any steps do you need to take?

I've been advised to put a notice in the paper/at the animal shelter.
Wait a few days and that's it. (That was from a cop.)

Others have suggested surrendering the animal to a shelter and then
adopting it. Costs (trivially) more money, is a bit of a pain, and
puts the dog at increased risk of illness and death. I haven't been
willing to do that.

Also be sure to pay any applicable local taxes and keep track of
your expenses...just in case. Keep in mind that there could be a
loving owner out there searching for his buddy.

--kyler

Michael A. Ball
2004-01-09 00:50:21 EST
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:12:10 GMT, Kyler Laird <Kyler@news.Lairds.org> wrote:

>[...]Others have suggested surrendering the animal to a shelter and then
>adopting it. Costs (trivially) more money, is a bit of a pain, and
>puts the dog at increased risk of illness and death. I haven't been
>willing to do that.

> Keep in mind that there could be a
>loving owner out there searching for his buddy.

I would not involve the animal shelter, beyond reporting the dog found. Many
owners never check for their dog at the animal shelter, but having a "lost
card" on file helps reunite some pets and owners. The shelter's greatest
concern will be that the dog is neutered; and I totally support that concern.

As for the loving pet owner in search of his buddy, that is usually the last
thing that crosses my mind, because "the loving pet owner" keeps their dog
properly secured and properly identified. I'm not saying that even the best
pet owners don't sometimes have an escape--it does happen; but an escape with
no ID on the dog?

Truly wonderful, beautiful dogs end up at our shelter, with no ID--no chip, no
tags, not even a collar. Some dogs show up with some portion of their chain,
but no ID. I'm not sympathetic toward that sort of owner.

Michael
Whatever it takes.

Michael A. Ball
2004-01-09 10:33:10 EST
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:12:10 GMT, Kyler Laird <Kyler@news.Lairds.org> wrote:

>[...]Others have suggested surrendering the animal to a shelter and then
>adopting it. Costs (trivially) more money, is a bit of a pain, and
>puts the dog at increased risk of illness and death. I haven't been
>willing to do that.

> Keep in mind that there could be a
>loving owner out there searching for his buddy.

I would not involve the animal shelter, beyond reporting the dog found. Many
owners never check for their dog at the animal shelter, but having a "lost
card" on file helps reunite some pets and owners. The shelter's greatest
concern will be that the dog is neutered; and I totally support that concern.

As for the loving pet owner in search of his buddy, that is usually the last
thing that crosses my mind, because "the loving pet owner" keeps their dog
properly secured and properly identified. I'm not saying that even the best
pet owners don't sometimes have an escape--it does happen; but an escape with
no ID on the dog?

Truly wonderful, beautiful dogs end up at our shelter, with no ID--no chip, no
tags, not even a collar. Some dogs show up with some portion of their chain,
but no ID. I'm not sympathetic toward that sort of owner.

Michael
Whatever it takes.

Tracy Doyle
2004-01-09 13:47:28 EST


Kyler Laird wrote:
>
>
> I've been advised to put a notice in the paper/at the animal shelter.
> Wait a few days and that's it. (That was from a cop.)

I'd notify animal control and also post "found" notices in vet's
offices, feed stores and pet supply stores. I recently had a friend go
through the agony of searching for a lost dog that needed meds for more
than a MONTH. I'd do everything in my power to get this dog back to it's
owner, if the owner is looking for it.
>
> Others have suggested surrendering the animal to a shelter and then
> adopting it. Costs (trivially) more money, is a bit of a pain, and
> puts the dog at increased risk of illness and death. I haven't been
> willing to do that.

I'd say not! I'd never turn a dog that I may want to the animal shelter.
Some of the temperament tests they run might deem the dog "unadoptable,"
and it will be put to sleep. I've seen it happen like that several times
around here, and it's utterly heartbreaking.
>
> Also be sure to pay any applicable local taxes and keep track of
> your expenses...just in case. Keep in mind that there could be a
> loving owner out there searching for his buddy.

True... that would be my first thought.

Oh, and my friend's lost dog was found in the next COUNTY - so don't
report it to just once AC office. Get the word out. Dogs can travel many
miles before letting themselves be "found" by someone.

Tracy

N*@nospam.au
2004-01-09 19:57:42 EST
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:42:23 GMT, in rec.pets.dogs.rescue "The Puppy Wizard"
<*d@earthlink.net> wrote:

HOWEDY michael,

You're a idiot. Dogs ESCAPE and lose their
collars when do gooders try to snatch them
up to SAVE them from some freakin imbecile
like YOU MURDERIN them at a SHELTER
like HOWE you done to Symphony cause IT
was DEAF.

You're a despicable piece of work.

>
>Well good Keely, then since you are the queen of Smut, why not tell the
>truth about the child you gave up! And how your husband molested your
>child? And also about the bragging of the affair you had with the judge.
>What was his name anyway? The Sheriff's Dept would like to know!
>
>Keely Denning a simple telephone call by one of our group to the
>department you CLAIMED you worked for reveals the
>truth:You were never a patrol officer. You worked in a
>youth program, and you were terminated.
>>Keely Denning
>Oh, yes. The department was quite familiar with Keely Squirrel
>Denning. But not in a good way...no, not at all.As
>a matter of fact, they asked our member if we knew
>your middle name. When our member replied "squirrel",
>they then asked what one eats.Our member said
>"nuts". "So is she," was the reply.
>
>So now we see who the "wannabe" really is here. We see who the
>"liar" is here. Your word is not to be trusted.
>You have no honor, even in this.Tell me, does
>Will know what his wife is up to? Do you think he'd
>like to know? I could always write to
>him...Foolish girl...did you think we were so
>powerless?
>
>Do you not understand that from the moment one of us
>stood up to you, we had already won? Can't you see the
>wind has shifted and now blows from our direction?
>Look around you. See the number of "in defiance"
>taglines on these posts.
>
>We DEFY you, keely, and your
>bunch of bullies. And the word of our defiance
>circulates through many of the Native American clubs on
>Yahoo.No matter what you do, no matter what you say, it
>will never be forgotten that we defied you. And you
>can't change that.Is that laughter I hear on
>the wind?
>
>Do not chatter after me, Squirrel...I do not seek your company
>
>
>On 1 Jan 2004 09:59:37 -0800, kdenning (user1234) wrote:
>
>>and though I descend Bluejacket, Squirrel was the
>>name given to my Great Grandfather... it did not come from a dream, or the
>>liking of the animal, or even a "vision" the name came from my Gr. Gr.
>>grandmother who gave it to her son... and though white people can laugh at
>>the last name of Squirrel... they have no idea of what has been lost in the
>>translation from Hon-Ne-Quah to the English version....
>
>OH we know that.. we know all about you.
>
>Dennings in Kansas
> Author: Keely Date: 19 May 2001 10:12 PM GMT
> In Reply to: Kansas Dennings by:
>Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message
>Chris,
>
>I believe they are the same Dennings... we can compare notes if you wish to
>e-mail me at
>*y@tri.net My e-mail address will be changing in a few weeks... going to
>the new roadrunner
>system set up in Salina.
>
>I married Wilbur Denning Jr. his dad is Wilbur Denning Sr. son of Boniface
>(Foxy) Denning, who is the son of Jospeh Denning.. Connie is my husbands Aunt. My son's name is Jess.
>
>
>
>From: Senihele (senihele@aol.com)
>Subject: Fond Memories of Keely KDENN39 Denning in her time of need...
>View: Complete Thread (6 articles)
>Original Format
>Newsgroups: alt.native
>Date: 2000/01/12
>
>
>How soon we forget, Keely... When I get the emails from Dude that you sent to
>him, in which you requested that he pray for your son while while he was at the
>Sharetech sundance last August, I'll post those too. How much did we charge you
>for our prayers, Keely? What a phony, malicious liar you are... So much for all
>the hearts and flowers... Your flowers are wilted and your heart is apparently
>broken... Why don't you tell these people how you got your ass witched by a
>Crow medicine woman you also harassed ad naseum, and how you tried to seek
>healing for THAT when the scat came down on your head... Yeah, yeah, Keely,
>I've your "quick save" before... It's all cut and paste, right?
>
>Keely Squirrel Denning:
>You claim I have not posted my name... ahhh but here you are wrong! My name is
>Keely Squirrel Denning... I know many here know my name and know I have never
>hidden behind my computer as you wish to believe. My Uncle is a very honored
>man in Wichita and many other places. Though he passed in 1991, his memory
>remains strong. My Aunt Lena is a wonderful lady who is honored as well...
>I do not think I need to list all my family... however I am sure you just got a
>drift.
>
>
> "Keely Denning" <kdenning@cox.net> <OVATION-WILL@msn.com> <keely@tri.net> <ovation@midusa.net> <KDENN39@aol.com>
><kdenning@cox.net>
>http://www.powwows.com/gathering/search.php?s=e24be1531d80614a3c7a6bc7c8a6ac23&action=showresults&searchid=213542
>http://www.powwows.com/galleries/showgallery.php?si=keely
>
>
><img src="http://www.powwows.com/galleries/data/500/8293joel1.jpg" border="0">
><img src="http://www.powwows.com/galleries/data/500/8293rachs-med.jpg" border="0">
>
>
>
>Ok I have had enough.
>I am tired of emails regarding your slandering of various relatives and me
>in this and other newsgroups.
>I am weary of calls for help from from your victims both on land and web.
>
>I finally came here for the first time this morning, after yet another email
>from someone here,
>to see what the fuss was about.
>Between you and Richard Weisgerber, it looks like there are about five other
>people on this news group.
>A bit of an over statement, but as I look through this message base, I see
>multiple instances of you two answering yourselves and each other as
>different people.
>I well recognize both of your writing styles and wording nuances.
>
>You have so many fake names here that you seem to be occassionally stepping
>in your own
>pile and actually believe that you are being attacked by one of your own
>alters.
>
>You seem to have forgotten your real name.
>You are Keely Denning. You changed it to Denning, your mother's name, my
>name,
>after you destroyed your reputation in Shawnee County.
>(Repeated stalking, harrassment complaints to the police by your victims;
>mostly teenage boys)
>
>I did not leave or desert you. I am sick of hearing that lie.
>You know damned well that after I helped your dad get through school, he
>took off with you
>to another state. He followed a woman there. A tall blond woman who already
>had her degree.
>You further know that his intimidating nature caused me to fear pushing for
>custody, as I should have.
>
>I believe that all of the family is quite aware of your actions.
>They put up with your garbage, because they don't know what else to do.
>I see that you are doing the same things here on this group that you do to
>your family.
>You don't want help.
>You are having too much fun tormenting and playing people.
>
>You insist on having your grandparent's email passwords and post as them.
>You wrote to our health care provider pretending to be us.
>You email our friends pretending to be us so that you could call
>them foul names and destroy our friendships.
>You write to our employers in an attempt to get us fired.
>We now pre warn our employers...
>You have threatened to kill your daughter and me.
>Your "baby's daddy" asked me for help when you were tormenting him.
>You threatened your sweet innocent cousin with a butcher knife shortly after
>she gave birth.
>You were jealous, as she had taken some of your spotlight.
>You have stalked women, men, even a blind person.
>You have repeatedly called the "authorities" on yourself and family members,
>and then blame other family members for your lame cruelties and abuse those
>who do not believe your lies.
>You drink too much, but make up tales of my involvement in drunken
>escapades.
>It is almost as though are mixing up what you do with what I do.
>You taunted me for being "unemployed" when I was recovering from injuries
>inflicted by a man I loved.
>Where is your job? You don't have time to educate yourself and get a decent
>job?
>
>You deserted your mother. She did not desert you.
>Your pity plays are obvious to those who have no self-interest in believing
>you.
>Your family knows and suffers daily with the pain and misery you have left
>in your wake since first began beating on your stepbrother and throwing
>desks at your teacher.
>You were placed in a mental institution only after we had NO other choice.
>
>You are abusing your daughter Millie. Jerking her by her arms. Screaming at
>her.
>Why doesn't she call you mom? Why does she wake with night terrors.
>Why is the CPS so aware of you.. A better question, "why do you still have
>custody of an innocent child.
>You like the phrase "Single mom with fragile daughter".
>You haul it out when convenient.
>Why am I not able to see her or help Millie.
>Because of one thing and one thing only.
>If Millie so much as hugged me, your jealousy would be so great that she
>would be in greater danger.
>You wish to completely own and rule me, and have since you were small, and
>have hurt anyone that
>I offered attention
>
>I do not believe that Bi-Polar is your diagnosis.
>I believe you are a sociopath, possibly a paranoid schizophrenic.
>Thorazine was the only thing that seemed to slow you down.
>It seemed such a harsh drug for a young girl, but it did far more than
>anything you have taken since.
>
>Attaching yourself to Richard Weisgerber is not going to get you well.
>He is using you.
>You are using him.
>You know damned well that tried to kill me. He may not be sane enough to
>believe it, but it happened.
>You recently commiserated with me over that fact when signing my guest book
>as four different people within
>a three hour period.
>I thought briefly that you two may be able to help one another.
>I now know better, and think perhaps his parole officer should be notified.
>The relationship appears to be pretty sick.
>You seem to think that you are planning a wedding.
>
>You emailed me repeatedly to tell me that Leigh-Ann wanted my address so she
>could come beat me up.
>Ludicrous. Absolutely ludicrous.
>
>My so called obsession with rabbits has to do with their soft fur and feisty
>nature.
>My rabbit alias is BrownRabbit and nothing else.
>Some people like dogs and write lame prose regarding the wonder of those
>creatures.
>
>You and Richard Weisgerber seem to have a hamster thing going on....
>
>My "drugs" that you and Richard enjoy speaking of incorrectly, consist of
>thyroid medication, premarin and
>Klonopin. After the brutal attack a year ago, I may be taking it longer
>than expected.
>You know very well that I suffered PTSD as a result of an underground
>parking garage knife attack, and 30 years of
>flashbacks, night terrors and panic attacks.
>I refuse to be ashamed of needing these things, and am glad they exist.
>
>I recently composed a note to you that was intended to accomplish a truce or
>understanding.
>Richard Weisgerber mocked me for the attempt, and probably gleefully read it
>to you.
>
>After the visit here, and going over events of the past 20 years, I am not
>going to send it.
>And the $5,000 I have been trying to get to you, will instead go into a
>savings bond for Millie, with a trusted relative as
>alternate. (no point in killing me)
>
>When you get back on the thorazine, you are welcome back in my life.
>For now, I don't wish to put myself through what you inflict.
>So, I suppose you can now truthfully say that you have been somewhat
>deserted.
>
>Oh, just to save you the trouble (as you normally do) of changing my
>wording and passing this around
>to relatives, I will be sending this to them. You needn't make print copies
>for those without email, either.
>I will take care of that for you too...
>


"Michael A. Ball" <Guardian@wireco.net> wrote in message
news:fditvvk03dufenakhlto4b4jlk0leu37q2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:12:10 GMT, Kyler Laird
<*r@news.Lairds.org> wrote:
>
> >[...]Others have suggested surrendering the animal to a shelter
and then
> >adopting it. Costs (trivially) more money, is a bit of a pain,
and
> >puts the dog at increased risk of illness and death. I haven't
been
> >willing to do that.
>
> > Keep in mind that there could be a
> >loving owner out there searching for his buddy.
>
> I would not involve the animal shelter, beyond reporting the dog
found. Many
> owners never check for their dog at the animal shelter, but
having a "lost
> card" on file helps reunite some pets and owners. The shelter's
greatest
> concern will be that the dog is neutered; and I totally support
that concern.
>
> As for the loving pet owner in search of his buddy, that is
usually the last
> thing that crosses my mind, because "the loving pet owner" keeps
their dog
> properly secured and properly identified. I'm not saying that
even the best
> pet owners don't sometimes have an escape--it does happen; but
an escape with
> no ID on the dog?
>
> Truly wonderful, beautiful dogs end up at our shelter, with no
ID--no chip, no
> tags, not even a collar. Some dogs show up with some portion of
their chain,
> but no ID. I'm not sympathetic toward that sort of owner.
>
> Michael
> Whatever it takes.



The Puppy Wizard
2004-01-10 02:42:23 EST
HOWEDY michael,

You're a idiot. Dogs ESCAPE and lose their
collars when do gooders try to snatch them
up to SAVE them from some freakin imbecile
like YOU MURDERIN them at a SHELTER
like HOWE you done to Symphony cause IT
was DEAF.

You're a despicable piece of work.


"Michael A. Ball" <Guardian@wireco.net> wrote in message
news:fditvvk03dufenakhlto4b4jlk0leu37q2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:12:10 GMT, Kyler Laird
<*r@news.Lairds.org> wrote:
>
> >[...]Others have suggested surrendering the animal to a shelter
and then
> >adopting it. Costs (trivially) more money, is a bit of a pain,
and
> >puts the dog at increased risk of illness and death. I haven't
been
> >willing to do that.
>
> > Keep in mind that there could be a
> >loving owner out there searching for his buddy.
>
> I would not involve the animal shelter, beyond reporting the dog
found. Many
> owners never check for their dog at the animal shelter, but
having a "lost
> card" on file helps reunite some pets and owners. The shelter's
greatest
> concern will be that the dog is neutered; and I totally support
that concern.
>
> As for the loving pet owner in search of his buddy, that is
usually the last
> thing that crosses my mind, because "the loving pet owner" keeps
their dog
> properly secured and properly identified. I'm not saying that
even the best
> pet owners don't sometimes have an escape--it does happen; but
an escape with
> no ID on the dog?
>
> Truly wonderful, beautiful dogs end up at our shelter, with no
ID--no chip, no
> tags, not even a collar. Some dogs show up with some portion of
their chain,
> but no ID. I'm not sympathetic toward that sort of owner.
>
> Michael
> Whatever it takes.


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