Our puppy, 4 months old, has started to wander when we go outside. So we're starting to put her on a leash. When we do this she just sits down & won't move. My husband had her outside & on the leash, she wouldn't move & when he started to pull (not hard) she showed her teeth! Any suggestions on how to make this easier on her & us?
2003-07-12 22:18:05 EST
I have found that it is easier if the pup sees another, older dog on lead. They may sit a watch awhile before they get the idea. But they do get the idea.
<*email@example.com> wrote in message news:3f0f6bcd_4@newsfeed... > Our puppy, 4 months old, has started to wander when we go outside. So we're > starting to put her on a leash. When we do this she just sits down & won't > move. My husband had her outside & on the leash, she wouldn't move & when he > started to pull (not hard) she showed her teeth! Any suggestions on how to > make this easier on her & us? > > > >
2003-07-15 09:22:40 EST
> <dogs under > 6months old ~ that was in the days when life was much harsher ~ kids were > still caned at school etc. > > Things have moved on a long way since ~ and at 4 months you really don't > need anything more than a flat buckle collar, or puppy harness. > > Diana
Yep I totally agree with you Diana. Those were in the days when kids were suppose to be "seen" and not "heard". And thrashing of kids to a extreme degree occurred. And dogs were mostly kept outside 24/7. Thankfully things have changed and a more humane society has come.
2003-07-15 21:26:46 EST
"Diana" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message news:email@example.com... > > <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message news:3f11fed6_2@newsfeed... > > We don't have a fenced yard. We have a whole acre to ourselves, plus > several > > around us (we live out in the country). But I worry about her meeting up > w/ > > a car. Last night she did stay on her leash outside with us & walked. > > Although she would stop and flop down every now & then as a "i'm not > going" > > routine. But we kept going anyway (not choking her). She did get the > > picture, since our other dog is leash trained & has been since way before > he > > made it to our home. She's doing better. I give her some time outside w/o > > the leash, just as a break. > > Just a little worried here by what you mean by not choking her ~ I do hope > that you're not using a choke / check chain on a 4 month old puppy? > > If so, please change it immediately. There are lots of people trying to > campaign for warning messages to be displayed with these tools but they have > become so familiar on our pet store shelves and on old fashioned dog > training programmes on the telly that many people just don't realise the > dangers of the product that they are buying. > > The choke / check chain is a training aid designed to correct and was > introduced in the early 1900's for the training of police and army dogs. It > was then considered a harsh training aid and not recommended for dogs under > 6months old ~ that was in the days when life was much harsher ~ kids were > still caned at school etc. > > Things have moved on a long way since ~ and at 4 months you really don't > need anything more than a flat buckle collar, or puppy harness. > > Diana >
I got the impression that the OP was speaking about moving forward with a reluctant puppy on a leash. They continued walking slowly while the puppy was refusing, and were reassuring the group that they weren't dragging the pup by the neck while doing so. Even a normal collar will allow a puppy to be dragged, so I would assume that this is what the OP was assuring us WASN'T happening.
-- Those days when I was young Ah, those remembered well I'd sit upon my Grandma's knee The stories she would tell...
-"Grandma's Lap" -By Diane Graebner
Read my poetry online at http://www.generations-poetry.com
2003-07-15 22:31:48 EST
In article <qR1Ra.email@example.com>, "ClippoPuppet" <dgraebnerCircus@homefusion.net> wrote:
> I got the impression that the OP was speaking about moving forward with a > reluctant puppy on a leash. They continued walking slowly while the puppy > was refusing, and were reassuring the group that they weren't dragging the > pup by the neck while doing so. Even a normal collar will allow a puppy to > be dragged, so I would assume that this is what the OP was assuring us > WASN'T happening.
I agree with your reading.
2003-07-16 03:32:23 EST
"ClippoPuppet" <dgraebnerCircus@homefusion.net> wrote in message news:qR1Ra.firstname.lastname@example.org...
But we kept going anyway (not choking her). She did get the [..]
, so I would assume that this is what the OP was assuring us > WASN'T happening. >
So did I, but it was the mention of the word 'choke' made me wonder that they might be using a choke chain, so I figured a little explanation of the fact that they shouldn't be used on such a young dog would do no harm. As it is, they assure us that they aren't and that's great. Maybe someone else is lurking and hadn't ever considered that they shouldn't use one on a puppy so I haven't wasted any of my time, and I tried to write it as informatively as I could so no-one should feel hurt or accused, though that does seem to be a problem US people find with the way English people talk. If it did, it certainly wasn't meant to.
2003-07-16 20:09:27 EST
"Diana" <email@example.com> wrote in message news:firstname.lastname@example.org... > > "ClippoPuppet" <dgraebnerCircus@homefusion.net> wrote in message > news:qR1Ra.email@example.com... > > [..] > > But we kept going anyway (not choking her). She did get the > [..] > > , so I would assume that this is what the OP was assuring us > > WASN'T happening. > > > > So did I, but it was the mention of the word 'choke' made me wonder that > they might be using a choke chain, so I figured a little explanation of the > fact that they shouldn't be used on such a young dog would do no harm. As it > is, they assure us that they aren't and that's great. Maybe someone else is > lurking and hadn't ever considered that they shouldn't use one on a puppy so > I haven't wasted any of my time, and I tried to write it as informatively as > I could so no-one should feel hurt or accused, though that does seem to be a > problem US people find with the way English people talk. If it did, it > certainly wasn't meant to. > > Diana > > Oh, no offense... and I agree that it's better to be safe than sorry when dealing with that topic.
-- Those days when I was young Ah, those remembered well I'd sit upon my Grandma's knee The stories she would tell...
-"Grandma's Lap" -By Diane Graebner
Read my poetry online at http://www.generations-poetry.com
The Puppy Wizard
2003-08-02 18:22:37 EST
"ClippoPuppet" <dgraebnerCircus@homefusion.net> wrote in message news:XOlRa.firstname.lastname@example.org... > > "Diana" <email@example.com> wrote in message > news:firstname.lastname@example.org... > > > > "ClippoPuppet" <dgraebnerCircus@homefusion.net> wrote in message > > news:qR1Ra.email@example.com... > > > > [..] > > > > But we kept going anyway (not choking her). She did get the > > [..] > > > > , so I would assume that this is what the OP was assuring us > > > WASN'T happening. > > > > > > > So did I, but it was the mention of the word 'choke' made me wonder that > > they might be using a choke chain, so I figured a little explanation of > the > > fact that they shouldn't be used on such a young dog would do no harm. As > it > > is, they assure us that they aren't and that's great. Maybe someone else > is > > lurking and hadn't ever considered that they shouldn't use one on a puppy > so > > I haven't wasted any of my time, and I tried to write it as informatively > as > > I could so no-one should feel hurt or accused, though that does seem to be > a > > problem US people find with the way English people talk. If it did, it > > certainly wasn't meant to. > > > > Diana > > > > > Oh, no offense... and I agree that it's better to be safe than sorry when > dealing with that topic. > > -- > Those days when I was young > Ah, those remembered well > I'd sit upon my Grandma's knee > The stories she would tell... > > -"Grandma's Lap" > -By Diane Graebner > > Read my poetry online at > http://www.generations-poetry.com >
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.
> - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. > > Lynn K.
> lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic, > depression) will "put down a biter > as fast as anyone" yet claims to > be a saintly dog rescuer
> Lynn K. wrote: > > "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in > one shelter.) But their ability to set their own > schedules and duties causes a great deal of > scheduling overhead. > > And it takes effort and thought to ensure that > volunteers get the meaningful experience that > they work for. > > Someone has to be responsible for that > Volunteer Program, and it is best done > by a non-volunteer." > > Lynn K. > --------------------------------- > > "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed > every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the > effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the > older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. > > Should I have refused to groom them? > > Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who > had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." > > Lynn K. > -------------------------------------- >
Is that a MENTAL CASE or NOT?
RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 7/4/03
----------------------------------------------- MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups. People are always running around calling other people mentally ill and diagnosing their
illnesses. I think it's only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings and promote group harmony.
Updated list as of 7/10/2003:
list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars
Most of whom are women or homosexuals
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit results at several large pharmaceutical corps has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy) drug treatment in the book, and then some: prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax, effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers, clomid, has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four years, "living through layers and layers of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding! aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
"I know for a fact I went thru years of being overly sensitive, being a b*tch, being self centered, being self pitying, you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty. You become another person, if it's not the correct med for you.
--All the best,
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at times (cyclical) have severe insomnia, 'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido into the dead zone and I had no real emotions, like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry either.....except about my suicidal thoughts (but at the time I thought there was no other way out)."
Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today. I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50 mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to intorduce myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself> <G>
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost many many treasured ppl and things. Please don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and worse. They put me on meds for it, and all along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as 'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other things happened and my ex and I would up divorced four years after our move. It was horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone thru"
shelly couvrette OCD, depression, drugs to be named later
(familial mental illness, possibly related to family bed) obsessively starves her dogs according to friends, family, strangers and 3 different vets, but not herself (see below)
lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic, depression) will "put down a biter as fast as anyone" yet claims to be a saintly dog rescuer
Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial about being mentally ill. Has taken several other mentally ill medications before settling on effexor for her chronic mental problems
Tara Green was on antidepressants for a few years prior to her marriage. During her marriage, she learned a lot:
"With the therapist I saw during my marriage I learned that some situational depressions are masked as chemical simply because of our too human ability to prolong the impact of the causal situations indefinitely"
Sounds like more denial, see leah
Tara is also a drunk who has also had problems with other substances
TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser: "Tara (who had some problems with quite a few substances as well, but who thinks they are separate issues.....so which camp does that put me in???)"
"Believe it or not, some people don't have a problem with drugs even though they are alcoholics. I'm not one of those people, but they do exist."
aka, tara has problems with both
Kevin Michael various mental illness drugs, started with Vail didn't like that, then went to antidepressant, stopped after sufficent side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy
Furpaw (SSRI, cognitive therapy)
Chris Jung (Prozac and Welbutrin, cognitive therapy)
Charlie Wilkes drugged out, crazy, fucked up all his life, Christ the shit he's been through including psych wards and electroshock treatments but now pulling down major cash as a business consultant. Triumphing over adversity, with a damn good life and a well trained dog (very much unlike Leah)
Karen DuChateaux suffered from clinical depression for years aka Karibear until some drug or something brought her out of it. Some of her best friends "are certifiable" and have various degrees of psychoses.
Familial mental disability. Refuses to say whether or not she is currently using drug or cognitive therapy for mental illness.
Mike "DumbOxDumb" threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe Dufort (pending) with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)
Jim "Brain Shivers" Jim is currently on Effexor which Sabatke he takes because of his depression/mental problems.
Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!!
the "brain shivers"
From: Jim Sabatke (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor? alt.support.depression.medication Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST
"I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked wonders for me. The only down side is that my blood pressure has elevated somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a couple of hours the "brain shivers" can be really bad.
"I switched from Paxil to Effexor about 5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil and tapered onto the Effexor at the same time."
"After several years on Effexor IR, my pdoc tried switching me to XR. I experienced fairly severe Effexor withdrawel until I went back to the IR.
<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders specific to you, if you are also mentally ill).
If we all come forward, we can help each other with our problems. Remember, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or idiot and/or robot without your being aware of it).
Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and have been added to this by mistake, so we can make our corrections and remove you from the crazy person list. --
mental health weekly.
Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes: > > > I do know that hitting, hurting > > > your dog will often make the > > > dog either aggressive or a fear > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion! This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else, > > Jerome. No matter > > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed > > individual. I feel very sorry for her > > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the > > doubt, please provide a quote (an > > original quote, not from one of Jerry > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that > > shows a regular poster promoting or > > using an abusive form of training.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
--Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple, suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder, expert trainer.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <email@example.com> wrote in message news:firstname.lastname@example.org... > > "Frank" <email@example.com> wrote in message > news:firstname.lastname@example.org... > > email@example.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message news:<firstname.lastname@example.org>... > > > >"brianev" email@example.com wrote: > > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and > > > > AGREED with what you had to say. > > > > I find it sick to hear what people > > > > do with their dogs. : > > > Keep in mind that everything he says that > > > the regular posters of this ng do to their > > > dogs are lies. : > > > All of it. Every last bit. : > > All of it? : > > Ear pinching? : > > Shock collars? : > > Spiked chokers? : > > The regulars lie more in their denials than > > Howe does in his accusing of them. : > Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything? > Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself > would see denials when everyone has Jerry > killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, > let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@18.104.22.168...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and > > praise to solve a problem with using > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment > > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then. > You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning > that you're a professor with 30 years of > experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of > people recommending "shock collars, > hanging, and punishment"?
> -- > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <email@example.com> wrote in message news:firstname.lastname@example.org...
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular > kind of training. If you are interested in > training retrieval behavior than do > consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a > Well-Mannered, Obedient and > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a > Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the > few regulars here who are either ill- > tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) > --Marshall
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (email@example.com) In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find >> the book.. they don't have these books >> in the local pet stores I frequent, where >> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from > Amazon.com
Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on its shelves. You can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog Training by Koehler, W R Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575,
Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5 seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.
Before the teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his resentment of your efforts by biting, your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these extreme problems. Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of mealy- mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a correction and certainly with more disregard for his safety, the professional trainer morally feels obligated to perform a "major operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
The Puppy Wizard
2003-08-02 18:23:52 EST
You're both liars, dog abusers, and MENTAL CASES.
"Gwen Watson" <email@example.com> wrote in message news:3F14001F.C5761C9D@ig.utexas.edu... > > > Diana wrote: > > > <dogs under > > 6months old ~ that was in the days when life was much harsher ~ kids were > > still caned at school etc. > > > > Things have moved on a long way since ~ and at 4 months you really don't > > need anything more than a flat buckle collar, or puppy harness. > > > > Diana > > Yep I totally agree with you Diana. Those were in the days when kids > were suppose to be "seen" and not "heard". And thrashing of kids > to a extreme degree occurred. And dogs were mostly kept outside > 24/7. Thankfully things have changed and a more humane society > has come. > > Gwen > >