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2007-03-27 16:20:56 EST
HOWEDY People,

If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:

HOWEDY digitydew aka sd,

"digitydew" <ladysbytes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
1*0@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> Well, I hasten to add that he turned out pretty well,
> in spit of his poor start in life.

I take it THAT AIN'T the dog you GOT RID OF
on accHOWENTA you COULDN'T TRAIN IT:
"We have felt nothing but relief now that she is gone."?

"Socialization" is DONE by the time the pup leaves his litterbox:

From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical Socialization

> "LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
> Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
> more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
> class report that the dog didn't learn anything and that
> the experience was basically a waste of time and money?

Leah:

> That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.

<snip>

> if they don't continue to use what they learned after
> class, of course the dogs are going to regress.

"Of course?" You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy's
ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
the time with no repetitions and no regression.

Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated earlier.

If it were real learning then the dogs
wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?

Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the
dog run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
and never forgot it.

Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
"Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
or forgotten the lesson.

He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
if he really does still remember it . . .

Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.

But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.

That's only natural, right? Wrong.

Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
another model of learning -- which comes naturally to all
animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or the
expectation that the learning will regress.

Just a thought . . .

From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:57:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical

>"LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.

Leah

:> Duh. Because you USE the command regularly?

Who sez? I've gone years without using it at all.

And you're forgetting the fact that a day or two after I
taught him the command (inside the apartment building where
we lived at the time), I was walking Fred along a street on
the way to the park. I stopped in front of a brownstone, a
building we'd never been (and still haven't).

I gave him the command and he immediately obeyed it. The second
time in his life he heard it, he obeyed it, even though there was no
possible reason for him to do so, other than the fact that I told him
to.

Why?

I also taught him once, just once, not to cross a curb
without me. He hasn't forgotten that one either.

Why?

Leah: >> If the owner knows the method to stop the puppy from
>> pulling on the leash, yet lets the puppy pull him all
>> over the place, the puppy will not stop pulling on the
>> leash.
>>
>>This is a no-brainer.

No, *this* is: If the puppy had actually been taught not
to pull on the leash, he would stop pulling on the leash.

I'm sure everyone here, if they thought about it, could
come up with their own examples (like the one I gave about
the dog learning a new behavior WHILE PLAYING in the dog
run) of dogs they've observed learning a new behavior once,
and never forgetting it.

It's the most natural form of learning there is.

But it requires that the dog be in a high-level emotional
state when the learning takes place, which is something
that *can't* be accomplished in a puppy class.

Puppy clases are, generally speaking, detrimental
to the learning process.

================

LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:

From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based
(in simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is
the result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this particular model
of learning? You don't think it makes sense?

Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.

And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.

Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.

He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?

Especially those of us with dogs whose prey drives are pretty
intense?

And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.

If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.

With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)

I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.

My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.

I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?

But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!

I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!

It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.

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> He just isn't as friendly as I'd like.

BWEEEAAAHAHAAAAA!!!:

From: Eric
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!

He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!

Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain
rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.

I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who
beat MY ass lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.

A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

---------------

"Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:1061695905.896739@grimiore.conceptual.net.au...

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control
psychos to obedient well behaved companions within
a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success
and have asked me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and
she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her!

it is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the
"Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A
masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@crneckiy.com>
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!

"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:rQpW8.66560

> It'd take fifteen minutes to train this dog to
> come to EVERY member of the family if you knew
> HOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.

One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End
here, to try the method and *judge the results
for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff even
if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after
long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't
try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably
a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive
and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by
previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months.

They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her

Now she's gained confidence and trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).
She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she
heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from
other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it
takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad.

Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him.

I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right".
He's offered help for free.)

M.

From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@crneckiy.com>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior,alt.animals.dog
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!

"michael" <c...@dogtv.com> wrote in message news:
3*9@dogtv.com...

> Tell me, Ms Mick, what's Jerry paying you to
> be a paid shill? I want you to be a paid shill
> for dogtv.com networks from now on. I'll double
> what Howe's giving you, and then add on 50% MOORE
> as a bonus. Is it a deal?
Ooh.. $0 + 50%, what a dream! :)

To the other posters, just what exactly is
plagiarized in the Wits' End manual? I'll
get whatever book you claim the material to
be from to check it out. You prove it to me.
I don't have the problem training this dog
(using the Wits' End manual).. seems everyone
else is having the problems with their dogs.

People bitch that I'm not giving advice, then
bitch again because they disagree when I do.
I don't care. All I know is that my dog is
doing well.

When I said "culled" I meant that what I consider
bad methods are left out. I've already stated that
I think choke/pinch/shock collars, crates, food
bribes, and other punishments are unnecessary.

If a book recommends them,it either goes in the
trash or back to the store. I've given up on dog
training books. I'm not going to devote time reading
books that go against what I'd do to train a dog.

I don't care if the authors are "experts" or not.
Some people here have said, "I thought I'd never
do X either until..." or that there is value in
all tools. Uhm... I'm sorry. A shock collar, for
one example, has no positive value whatsoever. If
you think it does, you wear one for a day and let
somebody "correct" you for whatever they like.
At the end of the day you'd probably want to slap
that person silly. I'm not willing to compromise
my views. I will *never* use those methods.

I've taken back book after book because it claims
to be compassionate or non-force. I open the book
and it's a lie. Last book I glanced at was "Good
Owners, Great Dogs". First page I flipped to was
a picture showing how to teach sit by jerking a
choke collar while pushing down the dog's back
end. Lots of pictures showing how to jerk that
leash... *sigh*

Oh, and I once upon a time I thought I was safe
buying that book by Monks. Monks! Sadistic
bastards who *hit* and jerked dogs into submission.

This is not my first dog. I've had dogs in the
past and not used any formal training methods with
them, just my normal belief that all dogs can be good
dogs with positive feedback and without punishment.

It always worked.After my last dog died (about 10
years ago) I didn't get another. I've wanted to
during this time, but I had a divorce, a child,
and other things that took most of my time. For
the past three years I've really missed having a
dog around. So, on my birthday, my husband said,
"Let's go to the shelter." I actually found her
on petfinder.com first.

My current dog needed me to come along or she
would be dead now. I'm not exaggerating, the
vet at the shelter wanted to kill her the day
we brought her home. Why? Because she was a
behavioral nightmare for them.

People wouldn't look twice at her after she
snarled at them and warned them to get away
from her cage. They couldn't look past the
tearing up garbage, fear, abuse, and
housebreaking problems that were listed in
her bio.

We had filled out the paperwork to adopt her
on Saturday, and they stretched the waiting
period out from 24 hours until Tuesday. Why?
Because the vet didn't want to take a chance
on her and wanted to kill her! I think he was
hoping that the long wait would make us give up,
but all it did was encourage us to visit her
every day, take her for walks, and bring her
stuff from "home". Luckily, one of the dog
handlers there was sane and stood by us when
we went there on that Tuesday and demanded that
they let us take her home. She's recovering now
and getting better by the day.

I can't have a dog that pulls on a leash or jumps on
me or anything like that. I'm disabled from a car
accident 15 years ago. I can walk (slowly) and all
that, but lack the balance and strength to survive
a dog dragging me around on a leash or knocking me
over. I'd never be able to catch her if
she decided to run away.

I *need* a well-behaved dog. If my dog wanted
to, she'd have me on my butt in two seconds. I
don't have that problem though.

So excuse me if I come here and get upset when I
read a bunch of posts giving "advice" to "train"
dogs by the "experts" that'll make the dogs just
as messed up as mine was when I first met her.
(She had such fear that everything she did was
going to mean being hit or her paws squeezed or
be locked up that she would get ultra-submissive,
anxious and would pee all over.

She's a big enough dog (Rott/Shep. mix) that if
she would have decided to attack instead, she
could cause major damage. Lucky she was kept
in a cage/tied up, huh?) It tends to upset me
a bit, and all my niceness goes right out the window.

I mistakenly thought that these dog groups would be
a positive experience, but for the most part they've
just made me angry. "Dimpled Chad" has been polite
and helpful, but almost everyone else seems to have
a problem with me speaking my mind.

M.

=======================

> But after about 5 minutes he will warm up to guests.

Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENTA you MISHANDLE HIM.

BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

> All my previous dogs have taken their cue from me,

You mean they was devoid of SELF CONFIDENCE, digitydew?

> as to who was friend and who was foe.

That's curiHOWES.

> But he seems to mistrust everyone until they've been here a few minutes.

THAT'S on accHOWENTA your REPRESSIVE "training".

> Don't know why he changes his mind but he does. :)

PROBABLY on accHOWENTA you GET HOWETA HIS WAY.

> He's definitely here for life.

That so?

> The German Shep is a nice dog, but she cannot be
> trusted in the house when I'm gone. She has to go
> to the kennel.

So called SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS is
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not "separation",
therefore IT CAN BE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.

> I've had my last rescue.

You mean the dog you RESCUED and jerked an
choked and intimidated till IT ATTACKED you
and your mrs. and became aggressive to children?

THANK G-D!

You RETURNED him to a SHELTER where he'd
MOST LIKELY GET MURDERED for his HISTORY
of attackin his ABUSERS <{}: ~ ( >

> Noble as it seems, mostly you are just inheriting
> someone else's problem.

You mean like HOWE elegy JUST MURDERED her
RESCUE dog who someHOWE MANAGED to LIVE
to the ripe old age of 12 *(three years LONGER than
MOST of HOWER DOG LOVER'S dog's lifespans)
an JERKED CHOKED INTIMIDATED BRIBED
CRATED MUTILATED an MURDERED IT in 9
days flat:

Re: homer bit me :(
"elegy" <elegy@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message news:
1*a@4ax.com...

i'm really disappointed in myself, because i wigged out on him for it,
but i just have NO tolerence for human-aggression in my dogs, and i
don't care if he's new or if he's old.

he was not in a situation that was especially overwhelming. i took him
by the collar to lead him to his crate, and he whipped around and put
teeth on my arm. he didn't break skin, but damn he's ugly when he
bares his teeth and snarls.

i put him in his crate until i calmed down
enough to not do anything else stupid.

i think he's either got neck pain or some serious bad history with
having his collar grabbed. which makes me feel really bad about
how i reacted (with lots of shock and anger).

i got him out then and felt him all over and couldn't elicit a pain
response, but that doesn't mean it's not there. i put mushroom's
harness on him, and i'll see if that makes any kind of difference. if
it does, i'll buy him a decent, comfortable harness and put his tags
on that so nobody grabs his collar.

i feel like i failed him bigtime tonight.

(he's doing great with the dogs though, and they're doing well with
him. he even went up to luce and playbowed this afternoon. and he's
figured out the deck steps.)

:(

--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
http://shattering.org
x-no-archive: yes in the headers

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elegy *(as do MOST of HOWER FELLOW DOG
LOVERS) has a VERY LONG POSTED CASE
HISTORY of MENTAL ILLNESS <{}: ~ ( >

From: FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:23:38 -0700
Subject: Re: is it a bad thing

elegy wrote:
> that i still want an old dog?
> at what point do i get officially diagnosed as a masochist?

I don't know you, but in your posts you come across as a kind,
compassionate person who has a lot to give.

Perhaps for the next old dog you look at you will dig deeply
about why the dog was abandoned, to help you decide if you will
be able to help *this* old dog - clearly, not all can be helped.

Maybe you can find an old dog whose owner died or who had to
give him up reluctantly because of poor health. Or one who got
left in the lurch because of a divorce or a move to a place where
dogs aren't allowed.

> this still really sucks.

Yeah, it does. But don't give up.

FurPaw

========

OR did you mean like HOWE lynne GOT RID OF her
last TWO "SHELTER" dogs for the SAME REASON:

HERE'S HOWE COME lynne GOT RID of her last two
dogs nearly as soon as she brought them into her INSANE
ASYLUM:

Subject: Briar

1From: Lynne
Date: Thurs, Nov 30 2006 6:38 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

We had a long afternoon with the behaviorist and learned
quite a lot. Unfortunately, Briar is not going to be staying
with us. The behaviorist identified several concerns.

She feels certain that Briar and I can work together since we
are working together so well already. She said it is obvious
he trusts me and is very attentive to me (he really is a good
boy). She is concerned, however, that he gives absolutely no
warning before going into attack mode--which he did twice today.
She is also concerned about his bite inhibition, or lack thereof,
based on my wounds.

She said she doesn't think he is dog aggressive, but that he was
definitely resource guarding pretty much everything (including me)
and not only with Roxy, but also with her, the cats, and my kids
to varying degrees.

She said careful management was very likely to be a long term
obligation, along with continued work. The work I don't mind,
because it's fun, but having a dog I may never be able to trust
isn't something I'm willing to do. So that's that.

At this point I'm done with rescue. I have a much better
understanding
of what these rescue dogs might need, and while I thought I'd be doing
a good thing, I realize I'm just not cut out for it. So I am going to
get
a puppy from a shelter in the Spring next year or the year after and
raise him or her to be well socialized and well behaved who will
hopefully be as happy with our lifestyle as Roxy is. Or maybe I
won't.

Right now I'm psyched on a single dog household again.

Flame away. I'm numb.

--
Lynne

Subject: Briar bit me. Twice

1From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Nov 20 2006 7:46 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

and it would have been more if I hadn't gotten a hold of him...

For the past few days I've been giving Roxy and Briar kibbles
as rewards side by side. I've been giving them simultaneously
since yesterday, instead of to Roxy first and then Briar. I've
seen absolutely no sign of problems, just two happy dogs
following commands for bites of kibble.

But tonight, Briar turned on Roxy and attacked her again. I told him
no, which usually stops him in his tracks, but not this time. So I
went to grab his collar and he turned on me, snarling and growling.

He bit me twice before I got him under control. I got him by the
collar, lifted his front legs at least a foot in the air, and he was
snarling and
fighting to get at me. I tossed him outside and shut the door. He
continued snarling and lunged at the glass a few times while I stood
there. Then he ran around the yard barking ferociously for a good 2
minutes.

I don't know if this is my fault or not, for rushing things, but I
can't
keep him now that I know he is willing to attack me. I have to think
it was in his nature anyway and I triggered it. I'm just not willing
to
keep a dog who will attack people. Myself, I can handle it, but my
kids and their friends, other people--no way. That's an unmanigeable
situation for our lifestyle.

My daughter and I can't stop crying. Damn. Two strikes. This sucks.

When he's not in attack mode, he's the sweetest damn dog.
--
Lynne

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Re: Houston, we have a problem - dogs & cats

I probably will talk to the GR rescue again about adopting,
once the sting wears off. I actually plan to call them
tomorrow to let them know the Lab didn't work out and why.

I called the gal from the GR rescue on the way home with
Bailey Friday to tell her I had found a dog and was very
excited. She was excited for me. Everyone at that rescue
has been great to deal with.

Thanks, everyone, for all the words of support. I honestly
thought I might get flamed to hell and back for returning him.
I feel better, and do now believe I did the right thing.

I wasn't feeling that way yesterday at all.

I was also absolutely heartsick.

I was told he got along with cats, but I did not observe this myself.

Today I learned that the cats he has been around are barn cats and
they have never been indoors with him. I'm not convinced he had
any interaction with them at all, knowing barn cats. I guess I should
have been more specific?

I was clear that my cats are indoor cats and that one is a tiny
kitten.
I also stated that we sleep in the bed with my dog and the cats. I'm
honestly not sure what else I could have said.

Obviously I should have asked more in depth questions.

Hindsite is a bitch.

One of my primary requirements in a dog is one who has been around
cats and who is disinterested in them. I made this clear up front and
we
discussed this in respect to Bailey. Bailey was extremely aggressive
towards them. It scared me. Bailey is now back at the rescue. I
cried the whole way back with him, because he is perfect in every
other way (really amazing, actually), but our cats are as important to
us as are our dogs.

When I talked to the director of the rescue, she said she would have
beaten him for that behavior. That's not my style at all, and I can't
imagine that would be a good foundation for trusting, secure
relationship for Bailey.

I feel like I failed him. My daughter hates me. It doesn't help that
her hamster died while she was on her trip and I had to tell her
tonight.

Oh, and I ate the $300 adoption fee. Despite that, I donated some of
the things I bought for Bailey to the rescue. We're going to take a
break from looking for a dog. I'm thinking of going to the shelter
and getting a mutt puppy instead of an adult... at least any
behavioral
problems would be of my own doing. Judging by how Roxy behaves,
it's nothing I couldn't live with.

*sigh*

--
Lynne

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"Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8OydnZy0xtXLTf7YnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@insightbb.com...

> Paula, my son has complex congenital heart disease.

Naaaaah?

Too bad you didn't know you had CONGENITAL DEFECTS
pryor to spawnin, eh lynne? You KNOW breedin genetically
defective stock is abhorrent to ETHICKAL dog lovers, JUST
THINK HOWE much WORSE that would be, for HUMANS?

> "See you" when I get back from Denver.

Have you had VonWillerbrand's DIS-EASE since birth, lynne?
AIN'T THAT CONGENITAL too, lynne? ETHICAL BREEDERS
DON'T BREED stock that got VWBD and HEART DEFECTS,
do they?

> Blech.

Blech? Oh, that's your new screen name. Very nice choice.

It was difficult chosing which CASE HISTORY of yours to
CITE FIRST, so, we'll go for your TWO LAST DISMAL
FAILURES returnin your last two dogs to the shelters for
behavior problems you caused and then we'll take a look at
your own congenitally defective children...

From: Lynne
Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:27 am
Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

ugh. Curiosity got the best of me and I read that
crap on AOL. I feel dirty, and nauseous.

My unsolicited advice to all involved: ignore it. Ask yourself if
their opinions *really* matter to you. Besides, they'll find a new
carcass to gather 'round soon enough, bunch of vultures.

--------------

From: Lynne
Date: Mon, Oct 16 2006 12:18 pm
Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

Shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
news:e8f7j210fdpq1vcd45rnk67gpll6bruncm@4ax.com:

> You will be *much* happier now that you've ditched reading
> via Google. If nothing else, the ability to filter out the loonies
> is well worth whatever learning curve there might be.

There really doesn't seem to be a learning curve at all, but you are
right - Google sucks for news. I have used Outlook in the past but
I have a conflict with other apps (surprise, surprise) and had to
delete it.

I'm already loving this killfile--boy HOWdEy!! ;-)

--
"Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties

----------------

> Of course we'd all like to think we are the one
> (and only one) who can turn the dog around,

INDEEDY. The shelter / rescue SCAM has been EXXXPOSED
as the revolving door of TAX FREE MONEY bein made hand
over fist, comin an goin, in perpetuity, soley to compensate for
these unscrupulHOWES dismal failure's fragile defective egos,
weak fearful minds and colossal inferiority complexes. Some of
these pathetic mental cases MURDER 67% of their RESCUE dogs.

LIKE THIS:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com wrote:

> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> <major snippage>

> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,

> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of their
> > RESCUE dogs.

> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.

From:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b...

<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality might be helpful,
too. I'm president of the board of our local shelter. The new board
has almost succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin, and
very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention to making
improvements in our shelter, increasing adoptions, etc. We are in
the
largest county in our state, and it's also one of the poorest. We
take in around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-thirds of
them.>>

Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer to 67%. IS that really
what "rescue" means, Sally? Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one
"rescues"?

Geeez!

> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry to make
> up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his lunatic claims?

What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then? The part about your
"mental
illness"? Why, you call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.

Though I still can't help wondering how "sane" someone who loves dogs
can be when running a shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs
it
"rescues".

> Mustang Sally (disgusted)

Lucy (likewise)

> in most cases it just doesn't work.

Well THAT'S on accHOWENTA your METHODS:

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

> Once they are past a certain age, I'd say it's all over
> by the time they are 9-10 months old,

Well then, you've PROVEN the heretofore mentioned
EXXXPERTS all wrong, eh, digitydew???

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated."

BWEEEAAHAHAAAAAA!!!

> certain things are going to be chisled in stone and not changable.

That so?

Dr. Fetko's Philosophy (http://www.drdog.com):
"Dogs Are Like Wet Cement - Whatever TouchesThem
Makes A Lasting Impression. So Please Make Every
Touch Loving."

THIS is the ONLY thing "chiseled in stone":

Re: brothers and sisters, i bid you beware
long ago and far away, sighthounds & siberians <x@ncweb.com>
did say:

> Elegy,
>
> I've been where you're at with rescue dogs, a very similar situation
> to yours with one dog, and it sucks. I hope you truly realize that
> you're the good guy here; you didn't make Homer what he is. That
> doesn't make it any easier, I know. But hopefully the knowledge that
> you made his last weeks happy ones will give you some peace.
>
> I'm so sorry.

mostly i feel intense sadness, tinged with some anger and a heaping of
disappointment. it's amazing how attached you can get to a dog in such
a short time. i hope he understands that he is loved, that he is
valued. i know he understands how fabulous french fries and dog beds
are.
--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
http://shattering.org
x-no-archive: yes in the headers

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.

The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.

Sally Hennessey

"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...

Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

3 From: sighthounds & siberians
Date: Mon, Jun 12 2006 4:16 pm

montana wildhack wrote:
> On 2006-06-10 16:56:28 -0400, sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> said:

> > Plus
> > she's easier to clean up when she

> I'm sorry to read that.

> Aside from the shedding, I hardly know how to act since we have one
> almost 5 year old dog with no major health issues. It's really weird.

I dream of such weirdness. Matty's death reduced the number of males
requiring belly bands for medical reasons, as well as the number of
dogs taking Previcox. But Anna's feeding routines and medications are
really expensive and time-consuming. On a good note, she stopped
eating canned food during the last bout of aspiration pneumonia (#5, I
think) and we switched her to kibble (soaked until soggy, then ground
up with a mixer until it's sort of a paste, and formed into balls).
*Much* cheaper, less messy when she inevitably coughs it all over the
vicinity and the person feeding, higher in calories, and she really
likes it, at least for now. I can't imagine what it would be like to
never chew anything crunchy again, poor dog.

Mustang Sally

"Janet Boss offered a pat on the back, commenting that
ultimately it wasn't Kate's decision. Whose was it? I asked.
Why, it was Teena's, averred Janet.

Janet was in an exculpatory frame of mind because she
contributed to this travesty herself, by advising Kate to
repeat the aggression trigger (grooming) on a daily basis.

It's all in the archives.

Now these two are spouting off about what kind of e-collars
they like to use on their dogs. Well, I've got an AC Delco
model that would be just right for Janet or Kate. BZZZZzzt!
I'd have to find it though, and I can't remember if I left
it in my underground bunker or the crawlspace under my
house," Charlie.

> SD

You'll notice he didn't say dogs are not changeable,
IN FACT, he sez EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE, digitydew.

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific
And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
For All Handler's And All Critters,
And ALL Behaviors
In ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES,
ALL OVER The Whole Wild World,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
GRAND
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE
WWW Wits'End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training Method Manual
<{} ; ~ ) >

> PS. I have a theory about Jerry.

"THEORY" means UNPROVEN speculatiHOWEN
or superstitiHOWES thinkin, don't it, digity?:

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

-------------------------

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)

The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving
companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes
to train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon
their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little
Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin
(anyone see The Gremlins?).

--Larry

-----------------

> Who has time to write so much?

Time is IRRELEVENT IMMATERIAL and INCONSEQUENTIAL and besides
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard still got THOWESANDS of
BIOSOUND Scientific Elves workin their tiny little fingers to the
BHOWEN
so's The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard CAN DO STUFF LIKE THIS
<{) : ~ ) >:

My Student Amanda wrote:
"*.@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.

----------------------------------

"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!

Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

----------------------------------

From: "GEORGE VONHILSHEINER" <DRV...@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:48:33 -0500

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen of a dog behaviorist,
Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl. Howe's primary teaching is that
dogs deserve unconditional love, respect, and attention and
that by providing these emotional needs dogs will regulate
their own behavior.

Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders, but he is
aggressively hostile to punishers - he refers antagonists
to B.F. Skinner, Mary Cover Jones, and J.B. Watson and
especially to Samuel A. Corson when they mistakenly annunciate
behavioral principles to support their use of punishment.

Punishment always deranges behavior, says Skinner,
Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!

Howe developed a sonic device which calms dogs and has been
broadly tested in a wide range of different situations. The
present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist who was
asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.

Howe provided the author with a device, without
charge, and said device worked as reported.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
d*.@earthlink.net
Then cross reference to Jerry Howe, etc.

--------------

Jerry, the difficulty with these ignorant dog molesters
is that they cannot read. Negative reinforcement is no
response by the trainer.

There is positive reinforcement, an action which is followed
by an increase in the targetted behavior (usually called
"reward" which is precisely and technically a misnomer),
negative reinforcement is the absence of any response.

Negative means 'No'.

Skinner's last book, "CUMULATIVE RECORD" reviews this thoroughly.
http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html

Negative reinforcement is stopping an aversive reinforcement
according to this author. Read it, they have a sense of humor!

There are four forms of systematic reinforcement:

do nothing (negative reinforcement)

reward the behavior (positive reinforcement)

punish the behavior (aversive reinforcement) after habituating
the subject to punishment,

stop punishing (relief of aversion, which is negative reinforcement).

Logically, failing to reward after habituating a reward
is also negative reinforcement. Actually intermittent
rewards work better than consistent, invariable rewards,
so there is actually another two categories. Invariable
reinforcement and random reinforcement (on varying schedules).

Punishment is AVERSIVE REINFORCEMENT.

Actions which cause the animal being trained to avoid,
avert, cringe away from. Pavlovians always responded
to American psychologist's inability to reproduce Pavlov's
results with dogs with the comment, "American's don't LOVE
their dogs". If you ever observed a Russian psychologist
working with a dog, you'd instantly see the difference.

American psychologists were wooden, robot-like,
wanted to be "scientific".

This meant to them that they should display no
affection, or any other emotion with the subjects.

When a Pavlovian dog started to misbehave or fail to respond,
doggie was taken out of the equipment, and taken home for a
loving vacation, with much TLC. Sam Corson, Pavlov's last
student, demonstrated the same relationships at Ohio State.

Interestingly the first page of results for Sam Corson,
dog behaviorist is loaded with Jerry Howe quoting Dr. Von.
heh heh heh

Dr. Von

Oh, by the way, you once had a pompous fellow say that
Dr. Von was a figment of your imagination. I don't
normally mention this, but I have been listed in Who's
Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big books,
Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine
etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.

These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.

GvH

============

> A prison inmate.

"Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars
a cage, minds innocent an quiet take, that, as an
hermitage" H.D. Thoreau <{}: ~ ) >

> I bet he is in one of those prison training programs
> that train dogs so they become adoptable.

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS GRADUATE of cesar
milan's method used in prison dog trainin programs?:

From: "JMW" <jeffrey.m.we...@gmail.com>

Date: 22 Feb 2007 12:54:14 -0800

Subject: my dog seems unhappy, and has problems with strangers

I got my dog about 9 months ago, a 1.5 year old shepherd mix,
rescued. She went through a prison training program for 9 weeks and
came to me very well trained and with great house manners. She is a
wonderful dog.

But something about her demeanor isn't right. She loves to play and
will ask for it, but has never been affectionate toward me or anyone,
in any way. In fact, any petting or physical contact other than
playing, she seems uncomfortable, licking her lips, or looking away,
ears back. I do my best to shape her behavior with positive rewards.
I have never physically disciplined her beyond a tug on the leash,
nor
have I yelled at her.

I'm pretty sure she's been through some kind of traumatic event,
because she's very scared of strangers, especially men. Anyone that
comes in the house, or near her outside the house, gets barked at.
Any move towards her and she runs away, barking her head off. Her
hair
stands on end. She doesn't growl or try to bite, though.

She has a bad habit, when she's off leash in the woods, of going
up behind a jogger, sniffing their butt. If they turn around or react
with a "what is this dog going to do to me" kind of body language,
she freaks out, and scares the heck out of the poor jogger. But with
anyone who reacts with "oh, hi doggie", she is fine. On the leash she
doesn't bark at strangers, but she may cower or hide behind me if they
get too close.

Other dogs don't bother her at all, in fact, I've never seen a more
laid back dog (around other dogs).

So, what do I do about this? The biggest problems are a) she seems
unhappy, and b) she loves to run in the woods, but I feel like an
irresponsible dog owner when she scares other people with her
barking.

Seems like she needs some kind reassurance and confidence, but I
don't
know what to try.
> No one else would have the kind of time to devote to
> posting such hateful nonsense to people all the time.

INDEED? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats?

'This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue'

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

g*.@my-deja.com wrote:

> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an
aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly
with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the
correction must be physically very strong - not a nag.

(PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all).

-------------------

From: java...@yahoo.com (Lynn K.) -
Date: 8 Sep 2001 11:28:54 -0700

Subject: Re: Proofing + Welcome, And
Yes, This Is The Right Place

"Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<news:XKUl7.15254$VX3.770667@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...

> Hello People,

> "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life.
> I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't
> Use It." lynn k.

> Read the following and then let's discuss proofing.

Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry. I don't use
the long line method of teaching a recall. You know,
the old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing.

I don't use it and the quotes you dredged up don't
recommend it either. The long line in those cases
was simply recommended for safety - no reeling
the dog in, no having the dog hit the end of the line -
no long line recall training method.

Tell me - do you really understand so very little
about dog training that you don't understand
what you read? And do you really have so much
extra time on your hands to indulge this very
strange obsession of yours?

Lynn K.

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it
Date: 1999/05/21

>"A.Waugh" wrote:
> Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ?
> At what age should a dog be trained 100% ?
> What about socialization?

I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with
other pups, while on a long line.

Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so
well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very
good thing to learn early.

Timing is critical here, because what you want
is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
start, but still have time to give the command
and have him decide to come back to you before
he hits the end of the long line.

The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
work with her.

And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.

Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly
decides that he can release himself from a down/stay
after being solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a
catch-me game, a sharp downward collar correction
as you put him back into position is a "come to
Jesus meeting".

Don't infer from that description that force is
an intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

Lynn K

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Help! Aust.Sheperd herding colts!
Date: 1999/06/19

Trudi Rioux wrote:
> Hi. I'm new here and don't even know if this is the right place.

Welcome, and yes, this is the right place.

> But.....if it is....I have 2 yr old Aust. sheperd female, herding
> colts while I'm training. I need advice re training me to train
> her.

You have to do 2 separate things: deny her the opportunity to
chase and convince her that chasing is not something she wants to
do.

The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training so
she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't work with her.

This is important because every time she successfully chases, it
reinforces the act. A single successful chase can wipe out the
benefits of many very good training sessions to convince her not
to chase.

To discourage her from chasing, you want to use a distraction
like a shake can, throw chain, discs, or electronic collar. (There
are many training books that can help you with the use of these
things.) When she alerts and is just starting for a colt, use the
distraction device.

Don't say anything; you don't want her to associate the distraction
with you - just use it out of the blue. When she lifts her head back
towards you, praise the heck out of her and step backwards,
encouraging her to come back to you, with lots of praise.

You might want to do this with a long line tied to a fence post
the 1st few times, just to make sure she can't chase, but give
the distraction before she hits the end of the line.

Lynn K.

------------

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: "Down" command (for Leon)
Date: 1999/09/08

> Robert Crim wrote:

> So........what do you think a "come to Jesus meeting" is?

Why on earth are you fixating on this term? It is, BTW, a
term I happen to use a lot, though more in dealing with humans
than with dogs. I'm sure you know full well the derivation of
the term, and can't figure out why you are putting what seems
to be a negative spin on it. To me, a "come to Jesus meeting"
is a pivotal point, where a pattern or behavior is stopped and
a more productive one substituted. Just as it was in the revival
tents where the phrase came from.

I had a "come to Jesus meeting" yesterday with 2 fighting humans
in a conflict that was undermining a training program, and, yes,
that was the term I used to describe the resolution session.

And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus meetings"
with dogs over willful disobedience.

Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is hits
adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.

Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast recalls
is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly decides
that he can release himself from a down/stay after being
solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a catch-me game,
a sharp downward collar correction as you put him back
into position is a "come to Jesus meeting".

Don't infer from that description that force is an
intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't. I know
that that is what you are trying to get at, but you'd
be very wrong.

Lynn K

----------------------

Hey, know what digity? You'd have to be FREAKIN INSANE
to believe these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin
punk thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL
CASES.

WOULDN'T YOU, digitydew?:

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

WORDS OF WISDOM
From Our Own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft
EVERY DAY
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.

-------------------

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," cindy moreon, k9 web.

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss

"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in
messagenews:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...

> I can't imagine needing anything higher
> than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> dog like a Lab.

sinofabitch writes:

> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> posts from two different people, took pieces of
> them out of context, cobbled them together,
> then added his own words:

"NEATLY" and "SMARTLY".

> and a fake signature.

"SINOFABITCH".

> Which is exactly what he did.
> The actual quote is misleading when taken
> out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote" is
> downright meaningless.

Here's Jerry's version

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

Here's yours;

"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...
> Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of
> training. If you are interested in training retrieval
> behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered,
> Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl:

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply,"

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)"

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop,"

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar,
and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on
the rump with a training stick while holding
him partially off the ground. John then told
Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast
him back to the dummies,"

Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of

Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201

d*.@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

"The success of science depends on a string of failures."
Jerome Groopman, M.D., Recanati Professor of Immunology,
Harvard Medical School. Quoted by Frank Rich, New York
Times, August 18, 2001 in "The Genius of George W. Bush."

> Why purebred dogs?

"They say the best thing in life are FREE. But you can
give'm to the birds an bees I WANT MONEY; THAT'S
WHAT I WANT," John Lennon.

> Genetic mapping of traits, whether coat color, cancer,
> or behavioral conditions, is often facilitated by using
> "genetically homogeneous" populations.

"Inbreeding is Spiritual, Not Physical" The Amazing Puppy Wizard.

> This means that the shared genetic background of purebred
> dogs is circumscribed, or simply put, was handed down from
> a limited number of founder dogs for the breed.

1Ki 15:3 And he walked in all the sins of his father,
which he had done before him: and his heart
was not perfect with the LORD his God, as
the heart of David his father.

> This ensures that all or most of the dogs with a trait
> within a breed are more likely to share the same genetic
> variation or mutation.

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:

Subject: The ROCK.
Born Of A Virgin.
Crucified For His Sins.

HOWEDY People,

Mental illness runs rampant within families:

HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,

"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:cda6a8$8nl$1@uwm.edu...

> In article <Fri9527C06A5DBF3australianshepher...@rocky-dog.com>
Rocky 2...@rocky-dog.com, writes:
> >Marshall Dermer said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> >> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my mentally ill mother

Any ETHICKAL breeder would DISCONTINUE
the DEFECTIVE LINE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

> >> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
> >> When the doctor completed the examination,
> >> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
> >> herself to be a virgin!

Many breeders, especially when dealing with
temperaMENTAL bitches rely on artificial insemination.

> >> Now if my Jewish, biological mother reported
> >> herself to be a virgin than what might this make
> >> me? :-)

An artificial breeding EXXXPERIMENT?

The remainin choices ain't all that appealin, professor.

> > Heh.

Heh heh.

> > Maybe it's time you visited one of those links listed in my header.

Heh. Maybe it's time for you lying dog abusing
punk thug cowards to find your own PRIVATE
list where you can hurt dogs and lie abHOWET
it all you like withHOWET fear of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING MOCKING and
RIDICULING your "methods" by QUOTING you.

> Hm...if I were the Moshiach (Hebrew for "the
> anointed one")

You mean, bein a non believing jew who PREYS
like HEEL when he was SICK and DYING, born
of a lying whore, or a MENTAL CASE, on accHOWENT
of as a SCIENTIST you CANNOT BELIEVE in G-D,
therefore your PREYIN was DEFECTIVE, likeWIZE,
therefore, a VIRGIN BIRTH would necessarily be only
ANOTHER LIE or a psychotic break from reality.

You figger HOWET what THAT would make you, professor.

> then I would have "cleaned up" this world.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
your WORK and EXXXPOSED you as a lying dog
abusing FRAUD, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

> As for folks believing they are the Messiah

Or a SCIENTIST not believing that MENTAL
ILLNESS is EITHER hereditary or environMENTAL...
IOW, ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAIVOR, professor
SCRUFF SHAKE.

> (or Jesus in the case of Christians),

Or perhaps The Amazing Puppy Wizard for those
non believers amongst us, particularly SCIENTISTS
who've been PROVEN FRAUDS, professor.

> a classic study of three people who claimed to
> be Jesus is introduced here:

<snip link>

A classic study of a lying dog abusing punk
thug fraud behaviorist is introduced here...

> This is good too, especially the song at the end.

The SONG at the end is a FUNeral dirge, professor.

> Kol tuv, (all that is good,)

INDEED, professor. ALL IS GOOD.

> --Marshall

ESPECIALLY if you're DIVINE.

But it ain't over till The Fat Lady sings.

Hark! Methinks The Amazing Puppy Wizard
hears her warming up right NHOWE:


LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined

------------------------------­­­-----------

> But I think what Lois was referring to was
> the fact that Darlene actually stated at
> some point that she was bipolar--and, IIRC,
> that meds did not work for her--so she was
> prone to major-league ups and downs and sudden
> enthusiasms..

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
------------------------------­­­-----------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03

BoxHill wrote:
> I know I am totally off topic here, but have
> you read "The Unquiet Mind"?

Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
watered down for the mass market, if
you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and
decent research. Thank God.

Lynn K.
------------------------------­­­---------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"

MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...

YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
'I take anti-depressives'"

From: Gary & lois Edwards (g...@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,

"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted."

The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.

No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."

Lois E.

------------------------------­­­-------

HOWEDY professor lyin doc "SCRUFF SHAKE
and SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds
and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer, associate professor ofANAL-ytic behaviorISM
at UofWI,



>From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
>Date: 24 Feb 2005 05:09:27 GMT
>Subject: Re: what's with that puppy wizard?


Seems The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the favorite
subject on the dog news groups on accHOWENT
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard has discovered the
casues and FHOWEND the CURES for ALL dog
and child temperament and behavior problems and
has PROVEN HIS METHODS independently of ANY
human interaction through the same conditioning
techniques as taught to HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
all over The Whole Wild World in HIS FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual as designed
into HIS Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
Did And A Cockatoo And A Cow And A Horse Or Two
Did Too) Machine <{) ; ~ ) >

THAT'S SCIENCE, professor.



>In article <384psjF5l4fn...@individual.net> "Nathan Otis"
<*.@smeat.spam.net> writes:

>>It's a shame he puts on this show in the news group



INDEEDY. You might call it The Amazing
Puppy Wizard and Pony SHOWE <{) ; ~ ) >

>> because what he actually has to say is good stuff.

INDEEDY. But HOWER DOG LOVERS DON'T LIKE
IT on accHOWENT of they can't HURT BRIBE CRATE
CHOKE INTIMIDATE SHOCK and MURDER their own
DOGS noMOORE as they PREFER <{) ; ~ ) >

>> I've read his "Wits End" manual and it's very
>> intelligent and well thought out... Not to mention
>> it works!

Like FREAKIN MAGICK, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) >

>This is somewhat dated:

You're FINISHED in this BUSINESS, professor.

By DENYING the POSTED CASE HISTORY
DATA cititing 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANT REHABILITATION of ALL dogs and
ALL behaviors for ALL handlers ALL OVER
The Whole Wild World YOU'VE READ, using
EITHER The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
OR HIS DDR MACHINE, who've posted here,
you're in violation of the codes of ETHICS of
ALL the professional associations you belong to.



>http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html


The contributors to that page, like yourself,
have been PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING
MENTAL CASES, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES your own
POSTED CASE HISTORIES of the mentally ill
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards like yourself
who'll do and say ANY THING to DEFEND your
alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIATE and MURDER
dogs, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.


Your own little hyperactive Maxie The Magnificent
FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator
is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


Your own CASE HISTORY DATA The Amazing Puppy
Wizard QUOTES and CITES PROVES you likeWIZE
have FHOWEND a SIMILAR CURE for your own dog's
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE SYMPTOMS, e.g. you
wash his tallywhacker with a warm moist THOWEL
pryor to bedtime for it's ANTIBIOTIC theraputic
effect on Maxie's CHRONIC BLADDER INFECTIONS.



>--Marshall


IMAGINE if you SUGGESTED THAT to the
AVMA as the CURE for 90% of their deathly
ill patients, like your own dog Maxie, professor?

OR you could just recommend they give
their customer their own FREE copy of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
and they won't be gettin the CHRONIC
DIS-EASES you and your punk thug pal's
dogs got, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

> And BTW, those prison programs select
> only young dogs to work with.

Sez you? Oh, you mean that "old dogs can't learn new tricks"?:

"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net
wrote in message news:
fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net. ..

Tracy,

What worked for me, in just one storm, was
to praise the dog after each clap of thunder,
telling him he's a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

The next time it thundered, he did not even
react at all--you could not tell it was the
same dog as before.

There was more thunder just the other day,
and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at
all, it was that simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might
seem to be a "wild and crazy" character,
but his non- abusive way of handling dogs
WORKS.

Wonderfully.

Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

-------------------

AND LIKE THIS 12 YEAR OLD DOG:

<*.@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:04:50 -0700

Subject: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two

Success!

I left for about 25 minutes, and when I returned
and walked thru the front door - no dog standing
there waiting for me! No barking, no whimpering -
no anything.

In fact, no dog!

I got worried, looking all over for her. I found
her asleep (yes, asleep!!!!) on a pile of clothing
that was on the floor in my second bedroom.

I left a tape recorder running while I was gone, but,
without realizing it, I had it set to Voice Activation -
and it hadn't been activated! I don't think she made a
sound while I was gone.

I almost feel ready to give it a big test - leave her
at home while I go to a movie, which I haven't been
able to do since I got her a little over one year ago.

Both times I employed your technique over the last couple
of days, I did so at night. Just because I need to satisfy
myself that this is real, I'm going to leave during the day
for awhile. I know you'll say it won't make any difference,
but gotta do it, gotta test it, gotta assure myself that this
is real.

Robin

======

AND LIKE THIS 10 Year Old Dog:

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

-----------------------

AND LIKE THIS 8 Year Old Dog:

"nesskay" <ness...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1156529540.182250.183510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

It has been a couple of months since we have initiated Jerry Howe's
recommendations for resolving the separation anxiety in our 8 y.o.
chocolate lab.

We have seen remarkable results.

She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with
Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without
her barking in a high pitch incessantly.

I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair railing,
putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the bed so that she
could not get to the blind (again!). It would take about 10-15
minutes
of planning and moving things before we could leave.

Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW
use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner
or whatever, without any problems.

She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.

I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.

Another problem that we had with her was although she would
not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this
on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that
she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done
that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!

Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
to speculate what could have happened with Amelia.

We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.
We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.

Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.

It is that simple!

Thank you, Thank you Thank you!
Nancy and Amelia

----------

Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.

The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their
hearts and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Email:
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Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
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Woodchuck Bill
2007-04-06 03:16:05 EST
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
in news:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> HOWEDY People,
>
> If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
> COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
> thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
> HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:
>
> HOWEDY digitydew aka sd,
>
> "digitydew" <ladysbytes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
> 1174920935.484104.15400@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Well, I hasten to add that he turned out pretty well,
>> in spit of his poor start in life.
>
> I take it THAT AIN'T the dog you GOT RID OF
> on accHOWENTA you COULDN'T TRAIN IT:
> "We have felt nothing but relief now that she is gone."?
>
> "Socialization" is DONE by the time the pup leaves his litterbox:
>
> From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: Critical Socialization
>
>> "LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
>> Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
>> more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
>> class report that the dog didn't learn anything and that
>> the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
>
> Leah:
>
>> That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.
>
> <snip>
>
>> if they don't continue to use what they learned after
>> class, of course the dogs are going to regress.
>
> "Of course?" You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy's
> ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
> the time with no repetitions and no regression.
>
> Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
> learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
> DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated earlier.
>
> If it were real learning then the dogs
> wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?
>
> Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the
> dog run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
> and never forgot it.
>
> Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
> "Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
> or forgotten the lesson.
>
> He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
> learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
> right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
> not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
> if he really does still remember it . . .
>
> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
>
> But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
> place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
> regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.
>
> That's only natural, right? Wrong.
>
> Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
> another model of learning -- which comes naturally to all
> animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or the
> expectation that the learning will regress.
>
> Just a thought . . .
>
> From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:57:57 -0400
> Subject: Re: Critical
>
>>"LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
>> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
>> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
>
> Leah
>
>:> Duh. Because you USE the command regularly?
>
> Who sez? I've gone years without using it at all.
>
> And you're forgetting the fact that a day or two after I
> taught him the command (inside the apartment building where
> we lived at the time), I was walking Fred along a street on
> the way to the park. I stopped in front of a brownstone, a
> building we'd never been (and still haven't).
>
> I gave him the command and he immediately obeyed it. The second
> time in his life he heard it, he obeyed it, even though there was no
> possible reason for him to do so, other than the fact that I told
> him to.
>
> Why?
>
> I also taught him once, just once, not to cross a curb
> without me. He hasn't forgotten that one either.
>
> Why?
>
> Leah: >> If the owner knows the method to stop the puppy from
> >> pulling on the leash, yet lets the puppy pull him all
> >> over the place, the puppy will not stop pulling on the
> >> leash.
> >>
> >>This is a no-brainer.
>
> No, *this* is: If the puppy had actually been taught not
> to pull on the leash, he would stop pulling on the leash.
>
> I'm sure everyone here, if they thought about it, could
> come up with their own examples (like the one I gave about
> the dog learning a new behavior WHILE PLAYING in the dog
> run) of dogs they've observed learning a new behavior once,
> and never forgetting it.
>
> It's the most natural form of learning there is.
>
> But it requires that the dog be in a high-level emotional
> state when the learning takes place, which is something
> that *can't* be accomplished in a puppy class.
>
> Puppy clases are, generally speaking, detrimental
> to the learning process.
>
> ===============
> LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
>
> From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
> a completely new model of learning, which is based
> (in simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is
> the result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
> This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
> You don't believe in the validity of this particular model
> of learning? You don't think it makes sense?
>
> Fine, I guess.
> But it makes total sense to me.
>
> And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
> though not many people know this.
>
> "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> of its pragmatic significance at a given
> moment, serve as the reinforcement."
> IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
> what reinforces any behavior.
>
> Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
> atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
> instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
> back into the hole. This was 7 years before
> he died. Up until the very last time he walked
> through that section of the park (an hour before
> he went) he checked the base of that tree.
>
> He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
> saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
> that?
>
> Especially those of us with dogs whose prey drives are pretty
> intense?
>
> And there are lots of examples that may not
> even require the prey drive to be active,
> just a strong desire to do something: a dog
> who wants to escape from the back yard will
> learn how to do it once and never forget it,
> a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
> bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
> or re-learn the behavior.
>
> If something is important to a dog, he'll
> learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
> learns it. The trick to getting him to
> "unlearn" it, is to give him a more
> emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
>
> With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
> behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
> (He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
> connections, so that was pretty easy.)
>
> I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
> Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
> then praising the dog, without any physical
> contact, for 15 seconds.
>
> My initial reaction to his technique was that
> it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
>
> I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
>
> But in every case except one, when I've followed
> the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
> physiological change take place in the dog -
> - yawning or stretching have been the usual
> indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
> the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
>
> I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
> separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
> together and fight constantly. I was pretty
> amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
> her aggression and start to yawn!
>
> It's too early for me to be convinced that it
> will work every single time with every single
> dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
> on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
> effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
> as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
> from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
> emotional tension. If you give the dog a
> replacement behavior that successfully reduces
> emotional tension, the first behavior will no
> longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
>
> ------------------
>
>> He just isn't as friendly as I'd like.
>
> BWEEEAAAHAHAAAAA!!!:
>
> From: Eric
> To: jho...@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
> Subject: just checking in..
>
> Jerry!
>
> You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
> regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
> know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
> using your techniques!
>
> He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
> Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
> head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
> of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
>
> I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
> 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
> their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
> be good dogs!
>
> Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
> to working with these guys a couple times a day...
>
> Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
> from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain
> rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.
>
> I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who
> beat MY ass lol!
>
> Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
> out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.
>
> A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
> training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
> is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
> repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
> any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
> (pun intended)... Too cool....
>
> Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
>
> Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
>
> ---------------
>
> "Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1061695905.896739@grimiore.conceptual.net.au...
>
> HOWEDY Group,
>
> Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL
>
> 1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
> on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
> each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
> friends, my companions.
>
> 2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
> girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
> dropped him by their noses.
>
> 3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
> at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
> MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
>
> Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
> WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
>
> 4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
> lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
> AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
>
> 5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
> HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
> ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
> TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
> FOR SALE !
>
> Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
> dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
> hairs coloured up amazingly.
>
> 6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
> BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
> DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
> it when u ASK her to!
>
> BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
>
> Nevyn
>
> Nevyn writes:
>
> Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
> your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control
> psychos to obedient well behaved companions within
> a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success
> and have asked me to work on their dogs!
>
> I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and
> she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her!
>
> it is AMAZING!!
>
> I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the
> "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A
> masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
> off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)
>
> Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
>
> NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
> dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
>
> ===============
> From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@crneckiy.com>
> Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
>
> "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:rQpW8.66560
>
>> It'd take fifteen minutes to train this dog to
>> come to EVERY member of the family if you knew
>> HOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.
>
> Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using
> Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
> problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
>
> One day working with the family pack exercise
> and practicing the recall command with the family
> and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
> instead of needing me to reassure her or even
> refusing to go with anyone but me.
>
> I really urge you, regardless of the negative
> things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End
> here, to try the method and *judge the results
> for yourself*.
>
> Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
> always comes when called, not chewing stuff even
> if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after
> long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't
> try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably
> a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
>
> That's in about a week's time.
>
> Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
> her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
> (except with her area/toys where she was possessive
> and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by
> previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months.
>
> They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her
>
> Now she's gained confidence and trust with us.
> Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).
> She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she
> heard the front door. Great!
>
> Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
> Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from
> other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it
> takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad.
>
> Works for me.
>
> (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
> Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
> messaged him.
>
> I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right".
> He's offered help for free.)
>
> M.
>
> From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@crneckiy.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior,alt.animals.dog
> Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
>
> "michael" <c...@dogtv.com> wrote in message news:
> 3D2BD729.12A6E049@dogtv.com...
>
>> Tell me, Ms Mick, what's Jerry paying you to
>> be a paid shill? I want you to be a paid shill
>> for dogtv.com networks from now on. I'll double
>> what Howe's giving you, and then add on 50% MOORE
>> as a bonus. Is it a deal?
> Ooh.. $0 + 50%, what a dream! :)
>
> To the other posters, just what exactly is
> plagiarized in the Wits' End manual? I'll
> get whatever book you claim the material to
> be from to check it out. You prove it to me.
> I don't have the problem training this dog
> (using the Wits' End manual).. seems everyone
> else is having the problems with their dogs.
>
> People bitch that I'm not giving advice, then
> bitch again because they disagree when I do.
> I don't care. All I know is that my dog is
> doing well.
>
> When I said "culled" I meant that what I consider
> bad methods are left out. I've already stated that
> I think choke/pinch/shock collars, crates, food
> bribes, and other punishments are unnecessary.
>
> If a book recommends them,it either goes in the
> trash or back to the store. I've given up on dog
> training books. I'm not going to devote time reading
> books that go against what I'd do to train a dog.
>
> I don't care if the authors are "experts" or not.
> Some people here have said, "I thought I'd never
> do X either until..." or that there is value in
> all tools. Uhm... I'm sorry. A shock collar, for
> one example, has no positive value whatsoever. If
> you think it does, you wear one for a day and let
> somebody "correct" you for whatever they like.
> At the end of the day you'd probably want to slap
> that person silly. I'm not willing to compromise
> my views. I will *never* use those methods.
>
> I've taken back book after book because it claims
> to be compassionate or non-force. I open the book
> and it's a lie. Last book I glanced at was "Good
> Owners, Great Dogs". First page I flipped to was
> a picture showing how to teach sit by jerking a
> choke collar while pushing down the dog's back
> end. Lots of pictures showing how to jerk that
> leash... *sigh*
>
> Oh, and I once upon a time I thought I was safe
> buying that book by Monks. Monks! Sadistic
> bastards who *hit* and jerked dogs into submission.
>
> This is not my first dog. I've had dogs in the
> past and not used any formal training methods with
> them, just my normal belief that all dogs can be good
> dogs with positive feedback and without punishment.
>
> It always worked.After my last dog died (about 10
> years ago) I didn't get another. I've wanted to
> during this time, but I had a divorce, a child,
> and other things that took most of my time. For
> the past three years I've really missed having a
> dog around. So, on my birthday, my husband said,
> "Let's go to the shelter." I actually found her
> on petfinder.com first.
>
> My current dog needed me to come along or she
> would be dead now. I'm not exaggerating, the
> vet at the shelter wanted to kill her the day
> we brought her home. Why? Because she was a
> behavioral nightmare for them.
>
> People wouldn't look twice at her after she
> snarled at them and warned them to get away
> from her cage. They couldn't look past the
> tearing up garbage, fear, abuse, and
> housebreaking problems that were listed in
> her bio.
>
> We had filled out the paperwork to adopt her
> on Saturday, and they stretched the waiting
> period out from 24 hours until Tuesday. Why?
> Because the vet didn't want to take a chance
> on her and wanted to kill her! I think he was
> hoping that the long wait would make us give up,
> but all it did was encourage us to visit her
> every day, take her for walks, and bring her
> stuff from "home". Luckily, one of the dog
> handlers there was sane and stood by us when
> we went there on that Tuesday and demanded that
> they let us take her home. She's recovering now
> and getting better by the day.
>
> I can't have a dog that pulls on a leash or jumps on
> me or anything like that. I'm disabled from a car
> accident 15 years ago. I can walk (slowly) and all
> that, but lack the balance and strength to survive
> a dog dragging me around on a leash or knocking me
> over. I'd never be able to catch her if
> she decided to run away.
>
> I *need* a well-behaved dog. If my dog wanted
> to, she'd have me on my butt in two seconds. I
> don't have that problem though.
>
> So excuse me if I come here and get upset when I
> read a bunch of posts giving "advice" to "train"
> dogs by the "experts" that'll make the dogs just
> as messed up as mine was when I first met her.
> (She had such fear that everything she did was
> going to mean being hit or her paws squeezed or
> be locked up that she would get ultra-submissive,
> anxious and would pee all over.
>
> She's a big enough dog (Rott/Shep. mix) that if
> she would have decided to attack instead, she
> could cause major damage. Lucky she was kept
> in a cage/tied up, huh?) It tends to upset me
> a bit, and all my niceness goes right out the window.
>
> I mistakenly thought that these dog groups would be
> a positive experience, but for the most part they've
> just made me angry. "Dimpled Chad" has been polite
> and helpful, but almost everyone else seems to have
> a problem with me speaking my mind.
>
> M.
>
> ======================
>> But after about 5 minutes he will warm up to guests.
>
> Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENTA you MISHANDLE HIM.
>
> BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
>
>> All my previous dogs have taken their cue from me,
>
> You mean they was devoid of SELF CONFIDENCE, digitydew?
>
>> as to who was friend and who was foe.
>
> That's curiHOWES.
>
>> But he seems to mistrust everyone until they've been here a few
>> minutes.
>
> THAT'S on accHOWENTA your REPRESSIVE "training".
>
>> Don't know why he changes his mind but he does. :)
>
> PROBABLY on accHOWENTA you GET HOWETA HIS WAY.
>
>> He's definitely here for life.
>
> That so?
>
>> The German Shep is a nice dog, but she cannot be
>> trusted in the house when I'm gone. She has to go
>> to the kennel.
>
> So called SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS is
> CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not "separation",
> therefore IT CAN BE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.
>
>> I've had my last rescue.
>
> You mean the dog you RESCUED and jerked an
> choked and intimidated till IT ATTACKED you
> and your mrs. and became aggressive to children?
>
> THANK G-D!
>
> You RETURNED him to a SHELTER where he'd
> MOST LIKELY GET MURDERED for his HISTORY
> of attackin his ABUSERS <{}: ~ ( >
>
>> Noble as it seems, mostly you are just inheriting
>> someone else's problem.
>
> You mean like HOWE elegy JUST MURDERED her
> RESCUE dog who someHOWE MANAGED to LIVE
> to the ripe old age of 12 *(three years LONGER than
> MOST of HOWER DOG LOVER'S dog's lifespans)
> an JERKED CHOKED INTIMIDATED BRIBED
> CRATED MUTILATED an MURDERED IT in 9
> days flat:
>
> Re: homer bit me :(
> "elegy" <elegy@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message news:
> 1m6nt2l1m8uiepjg04slfa9hg33ig1h7ta@4ax.com...
>
> i'm really disappointed in myself, because i wigged out on him for
> it, but i just have NO tolerence for human-aggression in my dogs,
> and i don't care if he's new or if he's old.
>
> he was not in a situation that was especially overwhelming. i took
> him by the collar to lead him to his crate, and he whipped around
> and put teeth on my arm. he didn't break skin, but damn he's ugly
> when he bares his teeth and snarls.
>
> i put him in his crate until i calmed down
> enough to not do anything else stupid.
>
> i think he's either got neck pain or some serious bad history with
> having his collar grabbed. which makes me feel really bad about
> how i reacted (with lots of shock and anger).
>
> i got him out then and felt him all over and couldn't elicit a pain
> response, but that doesn't mean it's not there. i put mushroom's
> harness on him, and i'll see if that makes any kind of difference.
> if it does, i'll buy him a decent, comfortable harness and put his
> tags on that so nobody grabs his collar.
>
> i feel like i failed him bigtime tonight.
>
> (he's doing great with the dogs though, and they're doing well with
> him. he even went up to luce and playbowed this afternoon. and he's
> figured out the deck steps.)
>
>:(
>
> --
> And now, each night I count the stars.
> And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
> http://shattering.org
> x-no-archive: yes in the headers
>
> ---------------------
>
> elegy *(as do MOST of HOWER FELLOW DOG
> LOVERS) has a VERY LONG POSTED CASE
> HISTORY of MENTAL ILLNESS <{}: ~ ( >
>
> From: FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:23:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: is it a bad thing
>
> elegy wrote:
>> that i still want an old dog?
>> at what point do i get officially diagnosed as a masochist?
>
> I don't know you, but in your posts you come across as a kind,
> compassionate person who has a lot to give.
>
> Perhaps for the next old dog you look at you will dig deeply
> about why the dog was abandoned, to help you decide if you will
> be able to help *this* old dog - clearly, not all can be helped.
>
> Maybe you can find an old dog whose owner died or who had to
> give him up reluctantly because of poor health. Or one who got
> left in the lurch because of a divorce or a move to a place where
> dogs aren't allowed.
>
>> this still really sucks.
>
> Yeah, it does. But don't give up.
>
> FurPaw
>
> =======
> OR did you mean like HOWE lynne GOT RID OF her
> last TWO "SHELTER" dogs for the SAME REASON:
>
> HERE'S HOWE COME lynne GOT RID of her last two
> dogs nearly as soon as she brought them into her INSANE
> ASYLUM:
>
> Subject: Briar
>
> 1From: Lynne
> Date: Thurs, Nov 30 2006 6:38 pm
> Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>
> We had a long afternoon with the behaviorist and learned
> quite a lot. Unfortunately, Briar is not going to be staying
> with us. The behaviorist identified several concerns.
>
> She feels certain that Briar and I can work together since we
> are working together so well already. She said it is obvious
> he trusts me and is very attentive to me (he really is a good
> boy). She is concerned, however, that he gives absolutely no
> warning before going into attack mode--which he did twice today.
> She is also concerned about his bite inhibition, or lack thereof,
> based on my wounds.
>
> She said she doesn't think he is dog aggressive, but that he was
> definitely resource guarding pretty much everything (including me)
> and not only with Roxy, but also with her, the cats, and my kids
> to varying degrees.
>
> She said careful management was very likely to be a long term
> obligation, along with continued work. The work I don't mind,
> because it's fun, but having a dog I may never be able to trust
> isn't something I'm willing to do. So that's that.
>
> At this point I'm done with rescue. I have a much better
> understanding
> of what these rescue dogs might need, and while I thought I'd be
> doing a good thing, I realize I'm just not cut out for it. So I am
> going to get
> a puppy from a shelter in the Spring next year or the year after and
> raise him or her to be well socialized and well behaved who will
> hopefully be as happy with our lifestyle as Roxy is. Or maybe I
> won't.
>
> Right now I'm psyched on a single dog household again.
>
> Flame away. I'm numb.
>
> --
> Lynne
>
> Subject: Briar bit me. Twice
>
> 1From: Lynne
> Date: Mon, Nov 20 2006 7:46 pm
> Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>
> and it would have been more if I hadn't gotten a hold of him...
>
> For the past few days I've been giving Roxy and Briar kibbles
> as rewards side by side. I've been giving them simultaneously
> since yesterday, instead of to Roxy first and then Briar. I've
> seen absolutely no sign of problems, just two happy dogs
> following commands for bites of kibble.
>
> But tonight, Briar turned on Roxy and attacked her again. I told
> him no, which usually stops him in his tracks, but not this time.
> So I went to grab his collar and he turned on me, snarling and
> growling.
>
> He bit me twice before I got him under control. I got him by the
> collar, lifted his front legs at least a foot in the air, and he was
> snarling and
> fighting to get at me. I tossed him outside and shut the door. He
> continued snarling and lunged at the glass a few times while I stood
> there. Then he ran around the yard barking ferociously for a good 2
> minutes.
>
> I don't know if this is my fault or not, for rushing things, but I
> can't
> keep him now that I know he is willing to attack me. I have to
> think it was in his nature anyway and I triggered it. I'm just not
> willing to
> keep a dog who will attack people. Myself, I can handle it, but my
> kids and their friends, other people--no way. That's an
> unmanigeable situation for our lifestyle.
>
> My daughter and I can't stop crying. Damn. Two strikes. This
> sucks.
>
> When he's not in attack mode, he's the sweetest damn dog.
> --
> Lynne
>
> -------------------
>
> Re: Houston, we have a problem - dogs & cats
>
> I probably will talk to the GR rescue again about adopting,
> once the sting wears off. I actually plan to call them
> tomorrow to let them know the Lab didn't work out and why.
>
> I called the gal from the GR rescue on the way home with
> Bailey Friday to tell her I had found a dog and was very
> excited. She was excited for me. Everyone at that rescue
> has been great to deal with.
>
> Thanks, everyone, for all the words of support. I honestly
> thought I might get flamed to hell and back for returning him.
> I feel better, and do now believe I did the right thing.
>
> I wasn't feeling that way yesterday at all.
>
> I was also absolutely heartsick.
>
> I was told he got along with cats, but I did not observe this
> myself.
>
> Today I learned that the cats he has been around are barn cats and
> they have never been indoors with him. I'm not convinced he had
> any interaction with them at all, knowing barn cats. I guess I
> should have been more specific?
>
> I was clear that my cats are indoor cats and that one is a tiny
> kitten.
> I also stated that we sleep in the bed with my dog and the cats.
> I'm
> honestly not sure what else I could have said.
>
> Obviously I should have asked more in depth questions.
>
> Hindsite is a bitch.
>
> One of my primary requirements in a dog is one who has been around
> cats and who is disinterested in them. I made this clear up front
> and we
> discussed this in respect to Bailey. Bailey was extremely
> aggressive towards them. It scared me. Bailey is now back at the
> rescue. I cried the whole way back with him, because he is perfect
> in every other way (really amazing, actually), but our cats are as
> important to
> us as are our dogs.
>
> When I talked to the director of the rescue, she said she would have
> beaten him for that behavior. That's not my style at all, and I
> can't imagine that would be a good foundation for trusting, secure
> relationship for Bailey.
>
> I feel like I failed him. My daughter hates me. It doesn't help
> that her hamster died while she was on her trip and I had to tell
> her tonight.
>
> Oh, and I ate the $300 adoption fee. Despite that, I donated some
> of the things I bought for Bailey to the rescue. We're going to
> take a break from looking for a dog. I'm thinking of going to the
> shelter and getting a mutt puppy instead of an adult... at least any
> behavioral
> problems would be of my own doing. Judging by how Roxy behaves,
> it's nothing I couldn't live with.
>
> *sigh*
>
> --
> Lynne
>
> ------------------
>
> "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8OydnZy0xtXLTf7YnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
>> Paula, my son has complex congenital heart disease.
>
> Naaaaah?
>
> Too bad you didn't know you had CONGENITAL DEFECTS
> pryor to spawnin, eh lynne? You KNOW breedin genetically
> defective stock is abhorrent to ETHICKAL dog lovers, JUST
> THINK HOWE much WORSE that would be, for HUMANS?
>
>> "See you" when I get back from Denver.
>
> Have you had VonWillerbrand's DIS-EASE since birth, lynne?
> AIN'T THAT CONGENITAL too, lynne? ETHICAL BREEDERS
> DON'T BREED stock that got VWBD and HEART DEFECTS,
> do they?
>
>> Blech.
>
> Blech? Oh, that's your new screen name. Very nice choice.
>
> It was difficult chosing which CASE HISTORY of yours to
> CITE FIRST, so, we'll go for your TWO LAST DISMAL
> FAILURES returnin your last two dogs to the shelters for
> behavior problems you caused and then we'll take a look at
> your own congenitally defective children...
>
> From: Lynne
> Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:27 am
> Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>
> ugh. Curiosity got the best of me and I read that
> crap on AOL. I feel dirty, and nauseous.
>
> My unsolicited advice to all involved: ignore it. Ask yourself if
> their opinions *really* matter to you. Besides, they'll find a new
> carcass to gather 'round soon enough, bunch of vultures.
>
> --------------
>
> From: Lynne
> Date: Mon, Oct 16 2006 12:18 pm
> Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>
> Shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
> news:e8f7j210fdpq1vcd45rnk67gpll6bruncm@4ax.com:
>
>> You will be *much* happier now that you've ditched reading
>> via Google. If nothing else, the ability to filter out the loonies
>> is well worth whatever learning curve there might be.
>
> There really doesn't seem to be a learning curve at all, but you are
> right - Google sucks for news. I have used Outlook in the past but
> I have a conflict with other apps (surprise, surprise) and had to
> delete it.
>
> I'm already loving this killfile--boy HOWdEy!! ;-)
>
> --
> "Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties
>
> ----------------
>
>> Of course we'd all like to think we are the one
>> (and only one) who can turn the dog around,
>
> INDEEDY. The shelter / rescue SCAM has been EXXXPOSED
> as the revolving door of TAX FREE MONEY bein made hand
> over fist, comin an goin, in perpetuity, soley to compensate for
> these unscrupulHOWES dismal failure's fragile defective egos,
> weak fearful minds and colossal inferiority complexes. Some of
> these pathetic mental cases MURDER 67% of their RESCUE dogs.
>
> LIKE THIS:
> From: lucyaa...@claque.net
> Date: Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am
>
> sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com
>> wrote:
>
>> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
>> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> <major snippage>
>
>> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
>
>> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
>> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
>> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of their
>> > RESCUE dogs.
>
>> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.
>
> From:
> http://groups-
beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b
> ...
>
> <<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality might be helpful,
> too. I'm president of the board of our local shelter. The new
> board has almost succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin,
> and very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention to making
> improvements in our shelter, increasing adoptions, etc. We are in
> the
> largest county in our state, and it's also one of the poorest. We
> take in around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-thirds of
> them.>>
>
> Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer to 67%. IS that
> really what "rescue" means, Sally? Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one
> "rescues"?
>
> Geeez!
>
>> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry to make
>> up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his lunatic claims?
>
> What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then? The part about your
> "mental
> illness"? Why, you call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.
>
> Though I still can't help wondering how "sane" someone who loves
> dogs can be when running a shelter that puts down two thirds of the
> dogs it
> "rescues".
>
>> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
>
> Lucy (likewise)
>
>> in most cases it just doesn't work.
>
> Well THAT'S on accHOWENTA your METHODS:
>
> Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
> UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
> Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
> Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
> Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
> itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
> change of these three fundamental processes --
> excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
>
> "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> of its pragmatic significance at a given
> moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
> emotions, not outside rewards, are what
> reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
>
> "All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
>
> "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
> reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
> model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
> Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
> HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
> reward not received is experienced as a punishment
> and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
> (Azrin et al, 1966)."
>
>> Once they are past a certain age, I'd say it's all over
>> by the time they are 9-10 months old,
>
> Well then, you've PROVEN the heretofore mentioned
> EXXXPERTS all wrong, eh, digitydew???
>
> "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
> technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
> (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
> procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
> disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
> six days the boys are reported to have been learning
> new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
> were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
> learning immediately deteriorated."
>
> BWEEEAAHAHAAAAAA!!!
>
>> certain things are going to be chisled in stone and not changable.
>
> That so?
>
> Dr. Fetko's Philosophy (http://www.drdog.com):
> "Dogs Are Like Wet Cement - Whatever TouchesThem
> Makes A Lasting Impression. So Please Make Every
> Touch Loving."
>
> THIS is the ONLY thing "chiseled in stone":
>
> Re: brothers and sisters, i bid you beware
> long ago and far away, sighthounds & siberians <x@ncweb.com>
> did say:
>
>> Elegy,
>>
>> I've been where you're at with rescue dogs, a very similar
>> situation to yours with one dog, and it sucks. I hope you truly
>> realize that you're the good guy here; you didn't make Homer what
>> he is. That doesn't make it any easier, I know. But hopefully the
>> knowledge that you made his last weeks happy ones will give you
>> some peace.
>>
>> I'm so sorry.
>
> mostly i feel intense sadness, tinged with some anger and a heaping
> of disappointment. it's amazing how attached you can get to a dog in
> such a short time. i hope he understands that he is loved, that he
> is valued. i know he understands how fabulous french fries and dog
> beds are.
> --
> And now, each night I count the stars.
> And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
> http://shattering.org
> x-no-archive: yes in the headers
>
> "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
> Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
> Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
> Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
>
> "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
> I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
> tech at our local shelter for a while, and
> I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
> animals.
>
> This however has nothing at all to do with
> responsible breeders, because responsible
> breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
> Mustang Sally.
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
> Subject: Re: shock collars
>
> Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...
>
> Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
> righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
> in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
> a lack of ability to perceive same.
>
> The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
> whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
> unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
>
> What it means is that you don't know as much about
> dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
> a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
>
> I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
> one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
> anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
> nothing to her.
>
> I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
> people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
> you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
> what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
> suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
> "you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
> English you guys talk about over there) means that
> you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
> who is not worth further notice.
>
> Sally Hennessey
>
> "Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...
>
> Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
> prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
> intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
> with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
> intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
> own dogs and their reactions better than someone
> who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
>
> I'm starting to see some similarities here.
>
> Sally Hennessey
>
> 3 From: sighthounds & siberians
> Date: Mon, Jun 12 2006 4:16 pm
>
> montana wildhack wrote:
>> On 2006-06-10 16:56:28 -0400, sighthounds & siberians
>> <x...@ncweb.com> sa
> id:
>
>> > Plus
>> > she's easier to clean up when she
>
>> I'm sorry to read that.
>
>> Aside from the shedding, I hardly know how to act since we have one
>> almost 5 year old dog with no major health issues. It's really
>> weird.
>
> I dream of such weirdness. Matty's death reduced the number of
> males requiring belly bands for medical reasons, as well as the
> number of dogs taking Previcox. But Anna's feeding routines and
> medications are really expensive and time-consuming. On a good
> note, she stopped eating canned food during the last bout of
> aspiration pneumonia (#5, I think) and we switched her to kibble
> (soaked until soggy, then ground up with a mixer until it's sort of
> a paste, and formed into balls). *Much* cheaper, less messy when she
> inevitably coughs it all over the vicinity and the person feeding,
> higher in calories, and she really likes it, at least for now. I
> can't imagine what it would be like to never chew anything crunchy
> again, poor dog.
>
> Mustang Sally
>
> "Janet Boss offered a pat on the back, commenting that
> ultimately it wasn't Kate's decision. Whose was it? I asked.
> Why, it was Teena's, averred Janet.
>
> Janet was in an exculpatory frame of mind because she
> contributed to this travesty herself, by advising Kate to
> repeat the aggression trigger (grooming) on a daily basis.
>
> It's all in the archives.
>
> Now these two are spouting off about what kind of e-collars
> they like to use on their dogs. Well, I've got an AC Delco
> model that would be just right for Janet or Kate. BZZZZzzt!
> I'd have to find it though, and I can't remember if I left
> it in my underground bunker or the crawlspace under my
> house," Charlie.
>
>> SD
>
> You'll notice he didn't say dogs are not changeable,
> IN FACT, he sez EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE, digitydew.
>
> "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
> deviant behavior of children can be achieved
> through brief, simple educative routines with
> their mothers which modify the mother's social
> behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
> clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
> child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
> from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
> (Szrynski 1965).
>
> A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
> preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
> of children was required, and almost ALL cases
> SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
> Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
> treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
> the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
> SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
>
> The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
> Never Change,
> Or They'd Not Be Scientific
> And Could Not Obtain
> Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
> For All Handler's And All Critters,
> And ALL Behaviors
> In ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES,
> ALL OVER The Whole Wild World,
> NEARLY INSTANTLY,
> As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Sincerely Incredibly
> Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
> GRAND
> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE
> WWW Wits'End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training Method Manual
> <{} ; ~ ) >
>
>> PS. I have a theory about Jerry.
>
> "THEORY" means UNPROVEN speculatiHOWEN
> or superstitiHOWES thinkin, don't it, digity?:
>
> From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
> To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
> Subject: Doggy advice
>
> Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
> I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
> habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
>
> I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
> way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
> fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
> competent at living with dogs.
>
> I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
> on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
> dogs doing this and that, for example:
>
> whining,
> humping, hunching,
> pacing,
> self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
> spinning,
> prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
> overstimulated barking,
> fighting, bullying other dogs,
> compulsive digging,
> compulsive scratching,
> compulsive chewing,
> frantic behavior,
> chasing light, chasing shadow,
> stealing food,
> digging in garbage can,
> loosing house (toilet) training.
> inappropriate fearfulness
> aggression.
>
> The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
> graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
> the intervening time working with animals (including the
> human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
> in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
> see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
>
> You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
> animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
>
> As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
> nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
> is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
> care.
>
> George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
> Academy of Behavioral Medicine
>
> -------------------------
>
> From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
>
> The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
>
> I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
> years. I have a huge library that covers every system
> of training.
>
> The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
> Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
> the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
> method yet discovered.
>
> It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
> a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
> and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
> consistent manner.
>
> Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
> understand the basis of his system and please follow
> his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
> It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
> descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
> how their solution should be approached.
>
> One should not pick and choose from among his methods
> based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
> not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
> for not only training a dog but for raising a loving
> companion.
>
> When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
> you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
> produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
>
> You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
> with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
> praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
> will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
> Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
> just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
> dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
> seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
> lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
>
> Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
> praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes
> to train you dog to respond to your commands.
>
> What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
> puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
> carry him in response to my recall command-and he
> comes running every time I call no matter where we are
> or what he is doing.
>
> At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
> his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
> his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
>
> Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
> scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
> if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
> you.
>
> Is Jerry a nut?
>
> It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
> It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon
> their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
> wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
> when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
> or hurting dogs.
>
> More than that, he knows that force is not effective
> and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
> sometime problems so severe that people put their
> dogs down because of those problems.
>
> I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
> their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
> at our wits' end, haven't we?
>
> Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
> literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
> respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
> to praise.
>
> Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
> wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
> You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
> dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
> along with their anxiety.
>
> Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
> Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
> would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
> success.
>
> Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
>
> If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little
> Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin
> (anyone see The Gremlins?).
>
> --Larry
>
> -----------------
>
>> Who has time to write so much?
>
> Time is IRRELEVENT IMMATERIAL and INCONSEQUENTIAL and besides
> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard still got THOWESANDS of
> BIOSOUND Scientific Elves workin their tiny little fingers to the
> BHOWEN
> so's The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard CAN DO STUFF LIKE THIS
> <{) : ~ ) >:
>
> My Student Amanda wrote:
> "Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
>
> No, the dog learned that I would hold still
> the second she began to pull. She would pull
> to go where *she* wanted.
>
> Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
> direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
>
> she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
> walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
> enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
>
> Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
> heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
> and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
> looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
> waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
> to go again.
>
> I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
> stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
>
> I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
> pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
>
> we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
> followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
> and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
> when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
> better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
>
> She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
> could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
> he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
> his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
> pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
> at 10pm on a sunday night.
>
> One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
> the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
> down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
> never had tension.
>
> two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
> by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
>
> And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
> even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
> is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
> gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
>
> actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
> the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
> she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
>
> She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
> dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
> and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
> to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
> and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
>
> She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> "Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
> news:
>
> I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
> dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
> I do not know what started the problem but he came
> aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
> snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
> and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
> ad I took him with me everywhere.
>
> At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
> Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
> clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
> it was not working on his aggression problem.
>
> I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
> trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
> They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
> and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
> suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
> working as he was becoming more aggressive.
>
> I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
> away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
> on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
> use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
>
> I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
> ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
> LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
> University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
> had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
> gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
> have the people stop until he could get in control using
> treats, and work on clicker training.
>
> At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
> the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
> would not come when I called him and would run away when
> I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
> neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
> hasn't trained her dog"
>
> I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
> were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
> were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
> said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
> say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
> responsible for him."
>
> *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
> DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
>
> As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
> going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
> Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
> Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
> He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
> not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
>
> The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
> I had been working for 18 months!
>
> Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
> from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
> I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
> blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
> can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
>
> I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
> -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
> looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
> on by.
>
> When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
> me like "you must be out of your mind"
>
> The results can make a believer!!!
>
> Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
> Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
> in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
>
> He just seemed to not notice any one.
>
> When people talked to him or ask his name he would
> look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
>
> I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
> enjoy life out in public.
>
> If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
> was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
> Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
> toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
>
> My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
> dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
> out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
>
> I know most people would have given up on him a long time
> ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
> but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
>
> I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
>
> ===============================
> From: Linda Daniel
> To: Jerry Howe
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
> Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
>
> Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
> to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
> save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
> thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
> have but many people would have. The world just does not
> know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
> solve problems.
>
> We will be here until late April and we really have no
> plans- -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any
> time you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would
> be happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
>
> We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
> right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
> scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times
> people would ask his name and want to pet him and he just
> went to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his
> tummy.
>
> He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
> those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
> in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
> grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
>
> Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
> stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
> pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
> a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
> smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
>
> I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
>
> I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
> walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
> a problem with other people and dogs.
>
> I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
> to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
> around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
> treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
> coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
> and not move until we backed away-
>
> - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the
> street until I get his attention with treats.
>
> They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
> but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
> him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
> sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
> to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
> heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> From: "GEORGE VONHILSHEINER" <DRV...@EARTHLINK.NET>
> To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
> Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia
> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:48:33 -0500
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen of a dog behaviorist,
> Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl. Howe's primary teaching is that
> dogs deserve unconditional love, respect, and attention and
> that by providing these emotional needs dogs will regulate
> their own behavior.
>
> Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders, but he is
> aggressively hostile to punishers - he refers antagonists
> to B.F. Skinner, Mary Cover Jones, and J.B. Watson and
> especially to Samuel A. Corson when they mistakenly annunciate
> behavioral principles to support their use of punishment.
>
> Punishment always deranges behavior, says Skinner,
> Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!
>
> Howe developed a sonic device which calms dogs and has been
> broadly tested in a wide range of different situations. The
> present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist who was
> asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.
>
> Howe provided the author with a device, without
> charge, and said device worked as reported.
>
> George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
> drv...@earthlink.net
> Then cross reference to Jerry Howe, etc.
>
> --------------
>
> Jerry, the difficulty with these ignorant dog molesters
> is that they cannot read. Negative reinforcement is no
> response by the trainer.
>
> There is positive reinforcement, an action which is followed
> by an increase in the targetted behavior (usually called
> "reward" which is precisely and technically a misnomer),
> negative reinforcement is the absence of any response.
>
> Negative means 'No'.
>
> Skinner's last book, "CUMULATIVE RECORD" reviews this thoroughly.
> http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html
>
> Negative reinforcement is stopping an aversive reinforcement
> according to this author. Read it, they have a sense of humor!
>
> There are four forms of systematic reinforcement:
>
> do nothing (negative reinforcement)
>
> reward the behavior (positive reinforcement)
>
> punish the behavior (aversive reinforcement) after habituating
> the subject to punishment,
>
> stop punishing (relief of aversion, which is negative
> reinforcement).
>
> Logically, failing to reward after habituating a reward
> is also negative reinforcement. Actually intermittent
> rewards work better than consistent, invariable rewards,
> so there is actually another two categories. Invariable
> reinforcement and random reinforcement (on varying schedules).
>
> Punishment is AVERSIVE REINFORCEMENT.
>
> Actions which cause the animal being trained to avoid,
> avert, cringe away from. Pavlovians always responded
> to American psychologist's inability to reproduce Pavlov's
> results with dogs with the comment, "American's don't LOVE
> their dogs". If you ever observed a Russian psychologist
> working with a dog, you'd instantly see the difference.
>
> American psychologists were wooden, robot-like,
> wanted to be "scientific".
>
> This meant to them that they should display no
> affection, or any other emotion with the subjects.
>
> When a Pavlovian dog started to misbehave or fail to respond,
> doggie was taken out of the equipment, and taken home for a
> loving vacation, with much TLC. Sam Corson, Pavlov's last
> student, demonstrated the same relationships at Ohio State.
>
> Interestingly the first page of results for Sam Corson,
> dog behaviorist is loaded with Jerry Howe quoting Dr. Von.
> heh heh heh
>
> Dr. Von
>
> Oh, by the way, you once had a pompous fellow say that
> Dr. Von was a figment of your imagination. I don't
> normally mention this, but I have been listed in Who's
> Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big books,
> Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine
> etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
>
> These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
> you can't get yourself into them.
>
> GvH
>
> ===========
>> A prison inmate.
>
> "Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars
> a cage, minds innocent an quiet take, that, as an
> hermitage" H.D. Thoreau <{}: ~ ) >
>
>> I bet he is in one of those prison training programs
>> that train dogs so they become adoptable.
>
> Oh? You mean LIKE THIS GRADUATE of cesar
> milan's method used in prison dog trainin programs?:
>
> From: "JMW" <jeffrey.m.we...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: 22 Feb 2007 12:54:14 -0800
>
> Subject: my dog seems unhappy, and has problems with strangers
>
> I got my dog about 9 months ago, a 1.5 year old shepherd mix,
> rescued. She went through a prison training program for 9 weeks and
> came to me very well trained and with great house manners. She is a
> wonderful dog.
>
> But something about her demeanor isn't right. She loves to play and
> will ask for it, but has never been affectionate toward me or
> anyone, in any way. In fact, any petting or physical contact other
> than playing, she seems uncomfortable, licking her lips, or looking
> away, ears back. I do my best to shape her behavior with positive
> rewards. I have never physically disciplined her beyond a tug on the
> leash, nor
> have I yelled at her.
>
> I'm pretty sure she's been through some kind of traumatic event,
> because she's very scared of strangers, especially men. Anyone that
> comes in the house, or near her outside the house, gets barked at.
> Any move towards her and she runs away, barking her head off. Her
> hair
> stands on end. She doesn't growl or try to bite, though.
>
> She has a bad habit, when she's off leash in the woods, of going
> up behind a jogger, sniffing their butt. If they turn around or
> react
> with a "what is this dog going to do to me" kind of body language,
> she freaks out, and scares the heck out of the poor jogger. But
> with anyone who reacts with "oh, hi doggie", she is fine. On the
> leash she doesn't bark at strangers, but she may cower or hide
> behind me if they
> get too close.
>
> Other dogs don't bother her at all, in fact, I've never seen a more
> laid back dog (around other dogs).
>
> So, what do I do about this? The biggest problems are a) she seems
> unhappy, and b) she loves to run in the woods, but I feel like an
> irresponsible dog owner when she scares other people with her
> barking.
>
> Seems like she needs some kind reassurance and confidence, but I
> don't
> know what to try.
>> No one else would have the kind of time to devote to
>> posting such hateful nonsense to people all the time.
>
> INDEED? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:
>
> "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
> Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
> lynn.
>
> "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
> just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
> we need to crate train a dog immediately because
> they are usually in need of medical care and they
> are in foster homes with other dogs.
>
> It's a safety necessity," "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>
> - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>
> Lynn K.
>
> "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
> Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
> Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
> Cats?
>
> 'This Article Is Something We've Put Together
> For SF GSD Rescue'
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
> Date: 1999/11/20
>
> ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
>
> Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
>
> "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
> forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
> better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
> this situation.
>
> Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
> should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
> to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
> take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
> time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
> whatever other reward system was being used."
>
> 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
> Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
> works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
> dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
> you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
> walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
> why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an
> aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly
> with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the
> correction must be physically very strong - not a nag.
>
> (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all).
>
> -------------------
>
> From: java...@yahoo.com (Lynn K.) -
> Date: 8 Sep 2001 11:28:54 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: Proofing + Welcome, And
> Yes, This Is The Right Place
>
> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> <news:XKUl7.15254$VX3.770667@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
>
>> Hello People,
>
>> "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life.
>> I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't
>> Use It." lynn k.
>
>> Read the following and then let's discuss proofing.
>
> Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry. I don't use
> the long line method of teaching a recall. You know,
> the old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing.
>
> I don't use it and the quotes you dredged up don't
> recommend it either. The long line in those cases
> was simply recommended for safety - no reeling
> the dog in, no having the dog hit the end of the line -
> no long line recall training method.
>
> Tell me - do you really understand so very little
> about dog training that you don't understand
> what you read? And do you really have so much
> extra time on your hands to indulge this very
> strange obsession of yours?
>
> Lynn K.
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it
> Date: 1999/05/21
>
>>"A.Waugh" wrote:
>> Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ?
>> At what age should a dog be trained 100% ?
>> What about socialization?
>
> I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
> recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with
> other pups, while on a long line.
>
> Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
> of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so
> well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
> fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very
> good thing to learn early.
>
> Timing is critical here, because what you want
> is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
> start, but still have time to give the command
> and have him decide to come back to you before
> he hits the end of the long line.
>
> The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
> so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
> work with her.
>
> And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
> meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
> Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
> hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.
>
> Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
> recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly
> decides that he can release himself from a down/stay
> after being solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a
> catch-me game, a sharp downward collar correction
> as you put him back into position is a "come to
> Jesus meeting".
>
> Don't infer from that description that force is
> an intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't.
>
> I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
> but you'd be very wrong.
>
> Lynn K
>
> BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: Help! Aust.Sheperd herding colts!
> Date: 1999/06/19
>
> Trudi Rioux wrote:
>> Hi. I'm new here and don't even know if this is the right place.
>
> Welcome, and yes, this is the right place.
>
>> But.....if it is....I have 2 yr old Aust. sheperd female, herding
>> colts while I'm training. I need advice re training me to train
>> her.
>
> You have to do 2 separate things: deny her the opportunity to
> chase and convince her that chasing is not something she wants to
> do.
>
> The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training so
> she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't work with her.
>
> This is important because every time she successfully chases, it
> reinforces the act. A single successful chase can wipe out the
> benefits of many very good training sessions to convince her not
> to chase.
>
> To discourage her from chasing, you want to use a distraction
> like a shake can, throw chain, discs, or electronic collar. (There
> are many training books that can help you with the use of these
> things.) When she alerts and is just starting for a colt, use the
> distraction device.
>
> Don't say anything; you don't want her to associate the distraction
> with you - just use it out of the blue. When she lifts her head
> back towards you, praise the heck out of her and step backwards,
> encouraging her to come back to you, with lots of praise.
>
> You might want to do this with a long line tied to a fence post
> the 1st few times, just to make sure she can't chase, but give
> the distraction before she hits the end of the line.
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ------------
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: "Down" command (for Leon)
> Date: 1999/09/08
>
>> Robert Crim wrote:
>
>> So........what do you think a "come to Jesus meeting" is?
>
> Why on earth are you fixating on this term? It is, BTW, a
> term I happen to use a lot, though more in dealing with humans
> than with dogs. I'm sure you know full well the derivation of
> the term, and can't figure out why you are putting what seems
> to be a negative spin on it. To me, a "come to Jesus meeting"
> is a pivotal point, where a pattern or behavior is stopped and
> a more productive one substituted. Just as it was in the revival
> tents where the phrase came from.
>
> I had a "come to Jesus meeting" yesterday with 2 fighting humans
> in a conflict that was undermining a training program, and, yes,
> that was the term I used to describe the resolution session.
>
> And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus meetings"
> with dogs over willful disobedience.
>
> Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is hits
> adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.
>
> Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast recalls
> is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly decides
> that he can release himself from a down/stay after being
> solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a catch-me game,
> a sharp downward collar correction as you put him back
> into position is a "come to Jesus meeting".
>
> Don't infer from that description that force is an
> intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't. I know
> that that is what you are trying to get at, but you'd
> be very wrong.
>
> Lynn K
>
> ----------------------
>
> Hey, know what digity? You'd have to be FREAKIN INSANE
> to believe these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin
> punk thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL
> CASES.
>
> WOULDN'T YOU, digitydew?:
>
> Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
> <news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
>
> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> quotes are true.
>
> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> making those calls.
>
> In your post above, you state you do not
> make those calls.
>
> Which one is it?
>
> WORDS OF WISDOM
> From Our Own Lynn Kosmakos
> 1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft
> EVERY DAY
> For Twenty Years
>
> I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
>
> "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
> depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
> mg of Zoloft every day.
>
> I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
> learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
> information I have learned. But if I were ever
> to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
> reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
>
> "Community is an evolutionary thing that we
> earn the right to participate in by observing
> the easily understood rules and contributing
> to in constructive ways."
>
> "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
> - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
> a comment she made about scarey side effects of
> Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
> I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
> any side effect is far less frightening than the
> very real dangers of life without it."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> -------------------
>
> "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
> Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
> Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
> Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
> The Pressure Up," cindy moreon, k9 web.
>
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
>> He was next to me and I could see his neck
>> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
>> Janet Boss
>
> "sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in
> messagenews:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
>
>> I can't imagine needing anything higher
>> than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
>> dog like a Lab.
>
> sinofabitch writes:
>
>> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
>> posts from two different people, took pieces of
>> them out of context, cobbled them together,
>> then added his own words:
>
> "NEATLY" and "SMARTLY".
>
>> and a fake signature.
>
> "SINOFABITCH".
>
>> Which is exactly what he did.
>> The actual quote is misleading when taken
>> out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote" is
>> downright meaningless.
>
> Here's Jerry's version
>
> "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
>
> Here's yours;
>
> "I dropped the leash, threw my
> right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> grabbed her opposite foot with my
> left hand, rolled her on her side,
> leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> nipped her ear.
> --Sara Sionnach
>
> "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
> things is something you twisted out of
> context, because you are full of bizarro
> manure."
>
> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...
> > Di,
> > I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of
> > training. If you are interested in training retrieval
> > behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered,
> > Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> > by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl:
>
> "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
> helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
> Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
> you to progress to striking them more
> sharply,"
>
> "Try pinching the ear between the metal
> casing and the collar, even the buckle on
> the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
> give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
> direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
>
> "You can press the dog's ear with a
> shotshell instead of your thumb even
> get a studded collar and pinch the ear
> against that Make the dog's need to stop
> the pinching so urgent that resisting your
> will fades in importance.
>
> CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
> Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
> using the stick and no ear pinch.
>
> When the dog is digging out to beat the
> stick and seems totally reliable without
> any ear pinch, you are finished
>
> This is continued resistance to your
> increasing authority, and the job is
> not done until it is overcome"
>
> If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
> under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
>
> (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
> because the ear is getting tender, or the
> dog has decided it isn't worth it)"
>
> "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
>
> "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
> Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
> With A Riding Crop,"
>
> "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar,
> and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on
> the rump with a training stick while holding
> him partially off the ground. John then told
> Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast
> him back to the dummies,"
>
> Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
> Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
>
> Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201
>
> der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
>
> "The success of science depends on a string of failures."
> Jerome Groopman, M.D., Recanati Professor of Immunology,
> Harvard Medical School. Quoted by Frank Rich, New York
> Times, August 18, 2001 in "The Genius of George W. Bush."
>
>> Why purebred dogs?
>
> "They say the best thing in life are FREE. But you can
> give'm to the birds an bees I WANT MONEY; THAT'S
> WHAT I WANT," John Lennon.
>
>> Genetic mapping of traits, whether coat color, cancer,
>> or behavioral conditions, is often facilitated by using
>> "genetically homogeneous" populations.
>
> "Inbreeding is Spiritual, Not Physical" The Amazing Puppy Wizard.
>
>> This means that the shared genetic background of purebred
>> dogs is circumscribed, or simply put, was handed down from
>> a limited number of founder dogs for the breed.
>
> 1Ki 15:3 And he walked in all the sins of his father,
> which he had done before him: and his heart
> was not perfect with the LORD his God, as
> the heart of David his father.
>
>> This ensures that all or most of the dogs with a trait
>> within a breed are more likely to share the same genetic
>> variation or mutation.
>
> Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:
>
> Subject: The ROCK.
> Born Of A Virgin.
> Crucified For His Sins.
>
> HOWEDY People,
>
> Mental illness runs rampant within families:
>
> HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,
>
> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
> news:cda6a8$8nl$1@uwm.edu...
>
>> In article <Fri9527C06A5DBF3australianshepher...@rocky-dog.com>
> Rocky 2...@rocky-dog.com, writes:
>> >Marshall Dermer said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>
>> >> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my mentally ill mother
>
> Any ETHICKAL breeder would DISCONTINUE
> the DEFECTIVE LINE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
>> >> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
>> >> When the doctor completed the examination,
>> >> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
>> >> herself to be a virgin!
>
> Many breeders, especially when dealing with
> temperaMENTAL bitches rely on artificial insemination.
>
>> >> Now if my Jewish, biological mother reported
>> >> herself to be a virgin than what might this make
>> >> me? :-)
>
> An artificial breeding EXXXPERIMENT?
>
> The remainin choices ain't all that appealin, professor.
>
>> > Heh.
>
> Heh heh.
>
>> > Maybe it's time you visited one of those links listed in my
>> > header.
>
> Heh. Maybe it's time for you lying dog abusing
> punk thug cowards to find your own PRIVATE
> list where you can hurt dogs and lie abHOWET
> it all you like withHOWET fear of The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING MOCKING and
> RIDICULING your "methods" by QUOTING you.
>
>> Hm...if I were the Moshiach (Hebrew for "the
>> anointed one")
>
> You mean, bein a non believing jew who PREYS
> like HEEL when he was SICK and DYING, born
> of a lying whore, or a MENTAL CASE, on accHOWENT
> of as a SCIENTIST you CANNOT BELIEVE in G-D,
> therefore your PREYIN was DEFECTIVE, likeWIZE,
> therefore, a VIRGIN BIRTH would necessarily be only
> ANOTHER LIE or a psychotic break from reality.
>
> You figger HOWET what THAT would make you, professor.
>
>> then I would have "cleaned up" this world.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
> your WORK and EXXXPOSED you as a lying dog
> abusing FRAUD, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
>> As for folks believing they are the Messiah
>
> Or a SCIENTIST not believing that MENTAL
> ILLNESS is EITHER hereditary or environMENTAL...
> IOW, ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAIVOR, professor
> SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
>> (or Jesus in the case of Christians),
>
> Or perhaps The Amazing Puppy Wizard for those
> non believers amongst us, particularly SCIENTISTS
> who've been PROVEN FRAUDS, professor.
>
>> a classic study of three people who claimed to
>> be Jesus is introduced here:
>
> <snip link>
>
> A classic study of a lying dog abusing punk
> thug fraud behaviorist is introduced here...
>
>> This is good too, especially the song at the end.
>
> The SONG at the end is a FUNeral dirge, professor.
>
>> Kol tuv, (all that is good,)
>
> INDEED, professor. ALL IS GOOD.
>
>> --Marshall
>
> ESPECIALLY if you're DIVINE.
>
> But it ain't over till The Fat Lady sings.
>
> Hark! Methinks The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> hears her warming up right NHOWE:
>
>
> LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
> conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS
> Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined
>
> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd-----------
>
>> But I think what Lois was referring to was
>> the fact that Darlene actually stated at
>> some point that she was bipolar--and, IIRC,
>> that meds did not work for her--so she was
>> prone to major-league ups and downs and sudden
>> enthusiasms..
>
> "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
> - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
> a comment she made about scarey side effects of
> Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
> I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
> any side effect is far less frightening than the
> very real dangers of life without it."
>
> Lynn K.
> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd-----------
>
> LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
> Date: 1999/09/03
>
> BoxHill wrote:
>> I know I am totally off topic here, but have
>> you read "The Unquiet Mind"?
>
> Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
> watered down for the mass market, if
> you know what I mean. There's really
> quite a lot of good work out there and
> decent research. Thank God.
>
> Lynn K.
> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd---------
>
> MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
>
> MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...
>
> YOU DO THE MATH
>
> "What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
> 'I take anti-depressives'"
>
> From: Gary & lois Edwards (g...@bmi.net)
> Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
> Date: 1999/09/02
>
> BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS
>
> "I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
> for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
> the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
> is now days you can say proudly,
>
> "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
> taking them it was seen as something shameful.
> If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
> a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
> depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
> "You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
> any pain meds.....you could become addicted."
>
> The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
> father locked her in her room back in the twenties
> because she was simple. A shame that medication
> probably would have helped her live a normal life.
>
> No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
> personality, she has a way of making grandiose
> plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
> does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
> with problems could be counted on to be
> irresponsible."
>
> Lois E.
>
> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd-------
>
> HOWEDY professor lyin doc "SCRUFF SHAKE
> and SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds
> and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
> dermer, associate professor ofANAL-ytic behaviorISM
> at UofWI,
>
>
>
>>From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
>>Date: 24 Feb 2005 05:09:27 GMT
>>Subject: Re: what's with that puppy wizard?
>
>
> Seems The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the favorite
> subject on the dog news groups on accHOWENT
> of The Amazing Puppy Wizard has discovered the
> casues and FHOWEND the CURES for ALL dog
> and child temperament and behavior problems and
> has PROVEN HIS METHODS independently of ANY
> human interaction through the same conditioning
> techniques as taught to HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
> NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
> all over The Whole Wild World in HIS FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual as designed
> into HIS Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
> Did And A Cockatoo And A Cow And A Horse Or Two
> Did Too) Machine <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> THAT'S SCIENCE, professor.
>
>
>
>>In article <384psjF5l4fn...@individual.net> "Nathan Otis"
> <n...@smeat.spam.net> writes:
>
>>>It's a shame he puts on this show in the news group
>
>
>
> INDEEDY. You might call it The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard and Pony SHOWE <{) ; ~ ) >
>
>>> because what he actually has to say is good stuff.
>
> INDEEDY. But HOWER DOG LOVERS DON'T LIKE
> IT on accHOWENT of they can't HURT BRIBE CRATE
> CHOKE INTIMIDATE SHOCK and MURDER their own
> DOGS noMOORE as they PREFER <{) ; ~ ) >
>
>>> I've read his "Wits End" manual and it's very
>>> intelligent and well thought out... Not to mention
>>> it works!
>
> Like FREAKIN MAGICK, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) >
>
>>This is somewhat dated:
>
> You're FINISHED in this BUSINESS, professor.
>
> By DENYING the POSTED CASE HISTORY
> DATA cititing 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
> INSTANT REHABILITATION of ALL dogs and
> ALL behaviors for ALL handlers ALL OVER
> The Whole Wild World YOU'VE READ, using
> EITHER The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
> WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
> OR HIS DDR MACHINE, who've posted here,
> you're in violation of the codes of ETHICS of
> ALL the professional associations you belong to.
>
>
>
>>http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html
>
>
> The contributors to that page, like yourself,
> have been PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING
> MENTAL CASES, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES your own
> POSTED CASE HISTORIES of the mentally ill
> lying dog abusing punk thug cowards like yourself
> who'll do and say ANY THING to DEFEND your
> alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIATE and MURDER
> dogs, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
>
> Your own little hyperactive Maxie The Magnificent
> FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator
> is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
> DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
>
>
> Your own CASE HISTORY DATA The Amazing Puppy
> Wizard QUOTES and CITES PROVES you likeWIZE
> have FHOWEND a SIMILAR CURE for your own dog's
> AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE SYMPTOMS, e.g. you
> wash his tallywhacker with a warm moist THOWEL
> pryor to bedtime for it's ANTIBIOTIC theraputic
> effect on Maxie's CHRONIC BLADDER INFECTIONS.
>
>
>
>>--Marshall
>
>
> IMAGINE if you SUGGESTED THAT to the
> AVMA as the CURE for 90% of their deathly
> ill patients, like your own dog Maxie, professor?
>
> OR you could just recommend they give
> their customer their own FREE copy of
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
> and they won't be gettin the CHRONIC
> DIS-EASES you and your punk thug pal's
> dogs got, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
>> And BTW, those prison programs select
>> only young dogs to work with.
>
> Sez you? Oh, you mean that "old dogs can't learn new tricks"?:
>
> "Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net
> wrote in message news:
> fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net. ..
>
> Tracy,
>
> What worked for me, in just one storm, was
> to praise the dog after each clap of thunder,
> telling him he's a Good Dog!
>
> This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
>
> The next time it thundered, he did not even
> react at all--you could not tell it was the
> same dog as before.
>
> There was more thunder just the other day,
> and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
> cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at
> all, it was that simple.
>
> I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might
> seem to be a "wild and crazy" character,
> but his non- abusive way of handling dogs
> WORKS.
>
> Wonderfully.
>
> Praise.
>
> It's that simple.
>
> Juanita
>
> -------------------
>
> AND LIKE THIS 12 YEAR OLD DOG:
>
> <robin4...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:04:50 -0700
>
> Subject: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two
>
> Success!
>
> I left for about 25 minutes, and when I returned
> and walked thru the front door - no dog standing
> there waiting for me! No barking, no whimpering -
> no anything.
>
> In fact, no dog!
>
> I got worried, looking all over for her. I found
> her asleep (yes, asleep!!!!) on a pile of clothing
> that was on the floor in my second bedroom.
>
> I left a tape recorder running while I was gone, but,
> without realizing it, I had it set to Voice Activation -
> and it hadn't been activated! I don't think she made a
> sound while I was gone.
>
> I almost feel ready to give it a big test - leave her
> at home while I go to a movie, which I haven't been
> able to do since I got her a little over one year ago.
>
> Both times I employed your technique over the last couple
> of days, I did so at night. Just because I need to satisfy
> myself that this is real, I'm going to leave during the day
> for awhile. I know you'll say it won't make any difference,
> but gotta do it, gotta test it, gotta assure myself that this
> is real.
>
> Robin
>
> =====
> AND LIKE THIS 10 Year Old Dog:
>
> Chris Williams writes:
>
> "The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
> I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
> I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
> New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
> the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
>
> -----------------------
>
> AND LIKE THIS 8 Year Old Dog:
>
> "nesskay" <ness...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1156529540.182250.183510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> It has been a couple of months since we have initiated Jerry Howe's
> recommendations for resolving the separation anxiety in our 8 y.o.
> chocolate lab.
>
> We have seen remarkable results.
>
> She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
> all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with
> Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without
> her barking in a high pitch incessantly.
>
> I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair
> railing, putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the bed so
> that she could not get to the blind (again!). It would take about
> 10-15
> minutes
> of planning and moving things before we could leave.
>
> Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW
> use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner
> or whatever, without any problems.
>
> She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.
>
> I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.
>
> Another problem that we had with her was although she would
> not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
> places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this
> on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that
> she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done
> that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!
>
> Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
> anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
> to speculate what could have happened with Amelia.
>
> We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.
> We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.
>
> Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.
>
> It is that simple!
>
> Thank you, Thank you Thank you!
> Nancy and Amelia
>
> ----------
>
> Damn The Descartean War of
> "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words
> And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
> FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
> SAME SAME SAME SAME,
> For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
>
> "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
> may acquire those rights
> which never could have been withholden from them
> but by the hand of tyranny.
>
> The question is not can they REASON,
> nor can they TALK,
> but can they SUFFER?" -
> - Jeremy Bentham
>
> All truth passes through three stages.
> First, it is ridiculed.
> Second, it is violently opposed.
> Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
> -Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
> even tho it's a hopeless task,
> in this system of things.
> As long as man is ruling man,
> there will be animals (and humans!)
> abused and neglected. :-(
> Your student," Juanita.
>
> "If you've got them by the balls their
> hearts and minds will follow,"
> John Wayne.
>
> The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )
> >
>
> Jerry Howe,
> Director of Research,
> Human And Animal Behavior
> Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
> BIOSOUND Scientific,
> Director of Training,
> Wits' End Dog Training
> 1611 24th St
> Orlando, FL 32805
> Phone: 1-407-425-5092
> Email:
> The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_@HotMail.Com
>
> WELCOME to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
> Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
> Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat And
> Horse Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
> Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{); ~ ) >
>
> I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
> Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ )
> >
>
> Here's your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
> Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
> Horsey Wizard's
>
> The *666* Edition Of Your Own
> FREE COPY
> Of
> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
> GRAND
> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat And Horsey Training Method Manual<{); ~ )
> >
>
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>
> I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
> Jerry Howe,
> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
> A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
> G-R-A-N-D
> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
>
>

Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.) "The Puppy Wizard" for
Golden Killfile.

(note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)

<http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>

Any seconds?

--
Bill

Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker Award, October 2005
Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker Award, February 2006

Cujo DeSockpuppet
2007-04-06 07:39:50 EST
Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote in
news:Xns990A4BCA2EEF4WoodchuckBill@66.250.146.159:

> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
> in news:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> HOWEDY People,
>>
>> If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>> COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>> thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
>> HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:
>>
>> HOWEDY digitydew aka sd,
>>
>> "digitydew" <ladysbytes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
>> 1174920935.484104.15400@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Well, I hasten to add that he turned out pretty well,
>>> in spit of his poor start in life.
>>
>> I take it THAT AIN'T the dog you GOT RID OF
>> on accHOWENTA you COULDN'T TRAIN IT:
>> "We have felt nothing but relief now that she is gone."?
>>
>> "Socialization" is DONE by the time the pup leaves his litterbox:
>>
>> From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Critical Socialization
>>
>>> "LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
>>> Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
>>> more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
>>> class report that the dog didn't learn anything and that
>>> the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
>>
>> Leah:
>>
>>> That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> if they don't continue to use what they learned after
>>> class, of course the dogs are going to regress.
>>
>> "Of course?" You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy's
>> ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
>> the time with no repetitions and no regression.
>>
>> Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
>> learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
>> DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated earlier.
>>
>> If it were real learning then the dogs
>> wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?
>>
>> Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the
>> dog run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
>> and never forgot it.
>>
>> Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
>> "Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
>> or forgotten the lesson.
>>
>> He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
>> learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
>> right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
>> not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
>> if he really does still remember it . . .
>>
>> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
>> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
>>
>> But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
>> place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
>> regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.
>>
>> That's only natural, right? Wrong.
>>
>> Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
>> another model of learning -- which comes naturally to all
>> animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or the
>> expectation that the learning will regress.
>>
>> Just a thought . . .
>>
>> From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:57:57 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Critical
>>
>>>"LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
>>> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
>>> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>:> Duh. Because you USE the command regularly?
>>
>> Who sez? I've gone years without using it at all.
>>
>> And you're forgetting the fact that a day or two after I
>> taught him the command (inside the apartment building where
>> we lived at the time), I was walking Fred along a street on
>> the way to the park. I stopped in front of a brownstone, a
>> building we'd never been (and still haven't).
>>
>> I gave him the command and he immediately obeyed it. The second
>> time in his life he heard it, he obeyed it, even though there was no
>> possible reason for him to do so, other than the fact that I told
>> him to.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> I also taught him once, just once, not to cross a curb
>> without me. He hasn't forgotten that one either.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Leah: >> If the owner knows the method to stop the puppy from
>> >> pulling on the leash, yet lets the puppy pull him all
>> >> over the place, the puppy will not stop pulling on the
>> >> leash.
>> >>
>> >>This is a no-brainer.
>>
>> No, *this* is: If the puppy had actually been taught not
>> to pull on the leash, he would stop pulling on the leash.
>>
>> I'm sure everyone here, if they thought about it, could
>> come up with their own examples (like the one I gave about
>> the dog learning a new behavior WHILE PLAYING in the dog
>> run) of dogs they've observed learning a new behavior once,
>> and never forgetting it.
>>
>> It's the most natural form of learning there is.
>>
>> But it requires that the dog be in a high-level emotional
>> state when the learning takes place, which is something
>> that *can't* be accomplished in a puppy class.
>>
>> Puppy clases are, generally speaking, detrimental
>> to the learning process.
>>
>> ===============
>> LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
>>
>> From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
>> a completely new model of learning, which is based
>> (in simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is
>> the result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
>> This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
>> You don't believe in the validity of this particular model
>> of learning? You don't think it makes sense?
>>
>> Fine, I guess.
>> But it makes total sense to me.
>>
>> And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
>> though not many people know this.
>>
>> "Postitive emotions arising in connection
>> with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
>> of its pragmatic significance at a given
>> moment, serve as the reinforcement."
>> IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
>> what reinforces any behavior.
>>
>> Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
>> atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
>> instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
>> back into the hole. This was 7 years before
>> he died. Up until the very last time he walked
>> through that section of the park (an hour before
>> he went) he checked the base of that tree.
>>
>> He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
>> saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
>> that?
>>
>> Especially those of us with dogs whose prey drives are pretty
>> intense?
>>
>> And there are lots of examples that may not
>> even require the prey drive to be active,
>> just a strong desire to do something: a dog
>> who wants to escape from the back yard will
>> learn how to do it once and never forget it,
>> a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
>> bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
>> or re-learn the behavior.
>>
>> If something is important to a dog, he'll
>> learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
>> learns it. The trick to getting him to
>> "unlearn" it, is to give him a more
>> emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
>>
>> With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
>> behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
>> (He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
>> connections, so that was pretty easy.)
>>
>> I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
>> Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
>> then praising the dog, without any physical
>> contact, for 15 seconds.
>>
>> My initial reaction to his technique was that
>> it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
>>
>> I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
>>
>> But in every case except one, when I've followed
>> the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
>> physiological change take place in the dog -
>> - yawning or stretching have been the usual
>> indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
>> the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
>>
>> I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
>> separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
>> together and fight constantly. I was pretty
>> amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
>> her aggression and start to yawn!
>>
>> It's too early for me to be convinced that it
>> will work every single time with every single
>> dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
>> on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
>> effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
>> as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
>> from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
>> emotional tension. If you give the dog a
>> replacement behavior that successfully reduces
>> emotional tension, the first behavior will no
>> longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>>> He just isn't as friendly as I'd like.
>>
>> BWEEEAAAHAHAAAAA!!!:
>>
>> From: Eric
>> To: jho...@bellsouth.net
>> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
>> Subject: just checking in..
>>
>> Jerry!
>>
>> You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
>> regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
>> know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
>> using your techniques!
>>
>> He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
>> Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
>> head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
>> of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
>>
>> I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
>> 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
>> their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
>> be good dogs!
>>
>> Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
>> to working with these guys a couple times a day...
>>
>> Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
>> from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain
>> rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.
>>
>> I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who
>> beat MY ass lol!
>>
>> Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
>> out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.
>>
>> A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
>> training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
>> is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
>> repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
>> any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
>> (pun intended)... Too cool....
>>
>> Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
>>
>> Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> "Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:1061695905.896739@grimiore.conceptual.net.au...
>>
>> HOWEDY Group,
>>
>> Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL
>>
>> 1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
>> on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
>> each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
>> friends, my companions.
>>
>> 2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
>> girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
>> dropped him by their noses.
>>
>> 3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
>> at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
>> MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
>>
>> Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
>> WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
>>
>> 4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
>> lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
>> AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
>>
>> 5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
>> HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
>> ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
>> TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
>> FOR SALE !
>>
>> Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
>> dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
>> hairs coloured up amazingly.
>>
>> 6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
>> BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
>> DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
>> it when u ASK her to!
>>
>> BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
>>
>> Nevyn
>>
>> Nevyn writes:
>>
>> Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
>> your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control
>> psychos to obedient well behaved companions within
>> a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success
>> and have asked me to work on their dogs!
>>
>> I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and
>> she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her!
>>
>> it is AMAZING!!
>>
>> I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the
>> "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A
>> masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
>> off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)
>>
>> Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
>>
>> NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
>> dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
>>
>> ===============
>> From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@crneckiy.com>
>> Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
>>
>> "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:rQpW8.66560
>>
>>> It'd take fifteen minutes to train this dog to
>>> come to EVERY member of the family if you knew
>>> HOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.
>>
>> Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using
>> Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
>> problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
>>
>> One day working with the family pack exercise
>> and practicing the recall command with the family
>> and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
>> instead of needing me to reassure her or even
>> refusing to go with anyone but me.
>>
>> I really urge you, regardless of the negative
>> things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End
>> here, to try the method and *judge the results
>> for yourself*.
>>
>> Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
>> always comes when called, not chewing stuff even
>> if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after
>> long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't
>> try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably
>> a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
>>
>> That's in about a week's time.
>>
>> Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
>> her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
>> (except with her area/toys where she was possessive
>> and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by
>> previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months.
>>
>> They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her
>>
>> Now she's gained confidence and trust with us.
>> Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).
>> She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she
>> heard the front door. Great!
>>
>> Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
>> Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from
>> other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it
>> takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad.
>>
>> Works for me.
>>
>> (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
>> Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
>> messaged him.
>>
>> I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right".
>> He's offered help for free.)
>>
>> M.
>>
>> From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@crneckiy.com>
>> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior,alt.animals.dog
>> Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
>>
>> "michael" <c...@dogtv.com> wrote in message news:
>> 3D2BD729.12A6E049@dogtv.com...
>>
>>> Tell me, Ms Mick, what's Jerry paying you to
>>> be a paid shill? I want you to be a paid shill
>>> for dogtv.com networks from now on. I'll double
>>> what Howe's giving you, and then add on 50% MOORE
>>> as a bonus. Is it a deal?
>> Ooh.. $0 + 50%, what a dream! :)
>>
>> To the other posters, just what exactly is
>> plagiarized in the Wits' End manual? I'll
>> get whatever book you claim the material to
>> be from to check it out. You prove it to me.
>> I don't have the problem training this dog
>> (using the Wits' End manual).. seems everyone
>> else is having the problems with their dogs.
>>
>> People bitch that I'm not giving advice, then
>> bitch again because they disagree when I do.
>> I don't care. All I know is that my dog is
>> doing well.
>>
>> When I said "culled" I meant that what I consider
>> bad methods are left out. I've already stated that
>> I think choke/pinch/shock collars, crates, food
>> bribes, and other punishments are unnecessary.
>>
>> If a book recommends them,it either goes in the
>> trash or back to the store. I've given up on dog
>> training books. I'm not going to devote time reading
>> books that go against what I'd do to train a dog.
>>
>> I don't care if the authors are "experts" or not.
>> Some people here have said, "I thought I'd never
>> do X either until..." or that there is value in
>> all tools. Uhm... I'm sorry. A shock collar, for
>> one example, has no positive value whatsoever. If
>> you think it does, you wear one for a day and let
>> somebody "correct" you for whatever they like.
>> At the end of the day you'd probably want to slap
>> that person silly. I'm not willing to compromise
>> my views. I will *never* use those methods.
>>
>> I've taken back book after book because it claims
>> to be compassionate or non-force. I open the book
>> and it's a lie. Last book I glanced at was "Good
>> Owners, Great Dogs". First page I flipped to was
>> a picture showing how to teach sit by jerking a
>> choke collar while pushing down the dog's back
>> end. Lots of pictures showing how to jerk that
>> leash... *sigh*
>>
>> Oh, and I once upon a time I thought I was safe
>> buying that book by Monks. Monks! Sadistic
>> bastards who *hit* and jerked dogs into submission.
>>
>> This is not my first dog. I've had dogs in the
>> past and not used any formal training methods with
>> them, just my normal belief that all dogs can be good
>> dogs with positive feedback and without punishment.
>>
>> It always worked.After my last dog died (about 10
>> years ago) I didn't get another. I've wanted to
>> during this time, but I had a divorce, a child,
>> and other things that took most of my time. For
>> the past three years I've really missed having a
>> dog around. So, on my birthday, my husband said,
>> "Let's go to the shelter." I actually found her
>> on petfinder.com first.
>>
>> My current dog needed me to come along or she
>> would be dead now. I'm not exaggerating, the
>> vet at the shelter wanted to kill her the day
>> we brought her home. Why? Because she was a
>> behavioral nightmare for them.
>>
>> People wouldn't look twice at her after she
>> snarled at them and warned them to get away
>> from her cage. They couldn't look past the
>> tearing up garbage, fear, abuse, and
>> housebreaking problems that were listed in
>> her bio.
>>
>> We had filled out the paperwork to adopt her
>> on Saturday, and they stretched the waiting
>> period out from 24 hours until Tuesday. Why?
>> Because the vet didn't want to take a chance
>> on her and wanted to kill her! I think he was
>> hoping that the long wait would make us give up,
>> but all it did was encourage us to visit her
>> every day, take her for walks, and bring her
>> stuff from "home". Luckily, one of the dog
>> handlers there was sane and stood by us when
>> we went there on that Tuesday and demanded that
>> they let us take her home. She's recovering now
>> and getting better by the day.
>>
>> I can't have a dog that pulls on a leash or jumps on
>> me or anything like that. I'm disabled from a car
>> accident 15 years ago. I can walk (slowly) and all
>> that, but lack the balance and strength to survive
>> a dog dragging me around on a leash or knocking me
>> over. I'd never be able to catch her if
>> she decided to run away.
>>
>> I *need* a well-behaved dog. If my dog wanted
>> to, she'd have me on my butt in two seconds. I
>> don't have that problem though.
>>
>> So excuse me if I come here and get upset when I
>> read a bunch of posts giving "advice" to "train"
>> dogs by the "experts" that'll make the dogs just
>> as messed up as mine was when I first met her.
>> (She had such fear that everything she did was
>> going to mean being hit or her paws squeezed or
>> be locked up that she would get ultra-submissive,
>> anxious and would pee all over.
>>
>> She's a big enough dog (Rott/Shep. mix) that if
>> she would have decided to attack instead, she
>> could cause major damage. Lucky she was kept
>> in a cage/tied up, huh?) It tends to upset me
>> a bit, and all my niceness goes right out the window.
>>
>> I mistakenly thought that these dog groups would be
>> a positive experience, but for the most part they've
>> just made me angry. "Dimpled Chad" has been polite
>> and helpful, but almost everyone else seems to have
>> a problem with me speaking my mind.
>>
>> M.
>>
>> ======================
>>> But after about 5 minutes he will warm up to guests.
>>
>> Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENTA you MISHANDLE HIM.
>>
>> BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
>>
>>> All my previous dogs have taken their cue from me,
>>
>> You mean they was devoid of SELF CONFIDENCE, digitydew?
>>
>>> as to who was friend and who was foe.
>>
>> That's curiHOWES.
>>
>>> But he seems to mistrust everyone until they've been here a few
>>> minutes.
>>
>> THAT'S on accHOWENTA your REPRESSIVE "training".
>>
>>> Don't know why he changes his mind but he does. :)
>>
>> PROBABLY on accHOWENTA you GET HOWETA HIS WAY.
>>
>>> He's definitely here for life.
>>
>> That so?
>>
>>> The German Shep is a nice dog, but she cannot be
>>> trusted in the house when I'm gone. She has to go
>>> to the kennel.
>>
>> So called SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS is
>> CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not "separation",
>> therefore IT CAN BE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY.
>>
>>> I've had my last rescue.
>>
>> You mean the dog you RESCUED and jerked an
>> choked and intimidated till IT ATTACKED you
>> and your mrs. and became aggressive to children?
>>
>> THANK G-D!
>>
>> You RETURNED him to a SHELTER where he'd
>> MOST LIKELY GET MURDERED for his HISTORY
>> of attackin his ABUSERS <{}: ~ ( >
>>
>>> Noble as it seems, mostly you are just inheriting
>>> someone else's problem.
>>
>> You mean like HOWE elegy JUST MURDERED her
>> RESCUE dog who someHOWE MANAGED to LIVE
>> to the ripe old age of 12 *(three years LONGER than
>> MOST of HOWER DOG LOVER'S dog's lifespans)
>> an JERKED CHOKED INTIMIDATED BRIBED
>> CRATED MUTILATED an MURDERED IT in 9
>> days flat:
>>
>> Re: homer bit me :(
>> "elegy" <elegy@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message news:
>> 1m6nt2l1m8uiepjg04slfa9hg33ig1h7ta@4ax.com...
>>
>> i'm really disappointed in myself, because i wigged out on him for
>> it, but i just have NO tolerence for human-aggression in my dogs,
>> and i don't care if he's new or if he's old.
>>
>> he was not in a situation that was especially overwhelming. i took
>> him by the collar to lead him to his crate, and he whipped around
>> and put teeth on my arm. he didn't break skin, but damn he's ugly
>> when he bares his teeth and snarls.
>>
>> i put him in his crate until i calmed down
>> enough to not do anything else stupid.
>>
>> i think he's either got neck pain or some serious bad history with
>> having his collar grabbed. which makes me feel really bad about
>> how i reacted (with lots of shock and anger).
>>
>> i got him out then and felt him all over and couldn't elicit a pain
>> response, but that doesn't mean it's not there. i put mushroom's
>> harness on him, and i'll see if that makes any kind of difference.
>> if it does, i'll buy him a decent, comfortable harness and put his
>> tags on that so nobody grabs his collar.
>>
>> i feel like i failed him bigtime tonight.
>>
>> (he's doing great with the dogs though, and they're doing well with
>> him. he even went up to luce and playbowed this afternoon. and he's
>> figured out the deck steps.)
>>
>>:(
>>
>> --
>> And now, each night I count the stars.
>> And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
>> http://shattering.org
>> x-no-archive: yes in the headers
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> elegy *(as do MOST of HOWER FELLOW DOG
>> LOVERS) has a VERY LONG POSTED CASE
>> HISTORY of MENTAL ILLNESS <{}: ~ ( >
>>
>> From: FurPaw <furrealpaw...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:23:38 -0700
>> Subject: Re: is it a bad thing
>>
>> elegy wrote:
>>> that i still want an old dog?
>>> at what point do i get officially diagnosed as a masochist?
>>
>> I don't know you, but in your posts you come across as a kind,
>> compassionate person who has a lot to give.
>>
>> Perhaps for the next old dog you look at you will dig deeply
>> about why the dog was abandoned, to help you decide if you will
>> be able to help *this* old dog - clearly, not all can be helped.
>>
>> Maybe you can find an old dog whose owner died or who had to
>> give him up reluctantly because of poor health. Or one who got
>> left in the lurch because of a divorce or a move to a place where
>> dogs aren't allowed.
>>
>>> this still really sucks.
>>
>> Yeah, it does. But don't give up.
>>
>> FurPaw
>>
>> =======
>> OR did you mean like HOWE lynne GOT RID OF her
>> last TWO "SHELTER" dogs for the SAME REASON:
>>
>> HERE'S HOWE COME lynne GOT RID of her last two
>> dogs nearly as soon as she brought them into her INSANE
>> ASYLUM:
>>
>> Subject: Briar
>>
>> 1From: Lynne
>> Date: Thurs, Nov 30 2006 6:38 pm
>> Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
>> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>>
>> We had a long afternoon with the behaviorist and learned
>> quite a lot. Unfortunately, Briar is not going to be staying
>> with us. The behaviorist identified several concerns.
>>
>> She feels certain that Briar and I can work together since we
>> are working together so well already. She said it is obvious
>> he trusts me and is very attentive to me (he really is a good
>> boy). She is concerned, however, that he gives absolutely no
>> warning before going into attack mode--which he did twice today.
>> She is also concerned about his bite inhibition, or lack thereof,
>> based on my wounds.
>>
>> She said she doesn't think he is dog aggressive, but that he was
>> definitely resource guarding pretty much everything (including me)
>> and not only with Roxy, but also with her, the cats, and my kids
>> to varying degrees.
>>
>> She said careful management was very likely to be a long term
>> obligation, along with continued work. The work I don't mind,
>> because it's fun, but having a dog I may never be able to trust
>> isn't something I'm willing to do. So that's that.
>>
>> At this point I'm done with rescue. I have a much better
>> understanding
>> of what these rescue dogs might need, and while I thought I'd be
>> doing a good thing, I realize I'm just not cut out for it. So I am
>> going to get
>> a puppy from a shelter in the Spring next year or the year after and
>> raise him or her to be well socialized and well behaved who will
>> hopefully be as happy with our lifestyle as Roxy is. Or maybe I
>> won't.
>>
>> Right now I'm psyched on a single dog household again.
>>
>> Flame away. I'm numb.
>>
>> --
>> Lynne
>>
>> Subject: Briar bit me. Twice
>>
>> 1From: Lynne
>> Date: Mon, Nov 20 2006 7:46 pm
>> Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
>> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>>
>> and it would have been more if I hadn't gotten a hold of him...
>>
>> For the past few days I've been giving Roxy and Briar kibbles
>> as rewards side by side. I've been giving them simultaneously
>> since yesterday, instead of to Roxy first and then Briar. I've
>> seen absolutely no sign of problems, just two happy dogs
>> following commands for bites of kibble.
>>
>> But tonight, Briar turned on Roxy and attacked her again. I told
>> him no, which usually stops him in his tracks, but not this time.
>> So I went to grab his collar and he turned on me, snarling and
>> growling.
>>
>> He bit me twice before I got him under control. I got him by the
>> collar, lifted his front legs at least a foot in the air, and he was
>> snarling and
>> fighting to get at me. I tossed him outside and shut the door. He
>> continued snarling and lunged at the glass a few times while I stood
>> there. Then he ran around the yard barking ferociously for a good 2
>> minutes.
>>
>> I don't know if this is my fault or not, for rushing things, but I
>> can't
>> keep him now that I know he is willing to attack me. I have to
>> think it was in his nature anyway and I triggered it. I'm just not
>> willing to
>> keep a dog who will attack people. Myself, I can handle it, but my
>> kids and their friends, other people--no way. That's an
>> unmanigeable situation for our lifestyle.
>>
>> My daughter and I can't stop crying. Damn. Two strikes. This
>> sucks.
>>
>> When he's not in attack mode, he's the sweetest damn dog.
>> --
>> Lynne
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> Re: Houston, we have a problem - dogs & cats
>>
>> I probably will talk to the GR rescue again about adopting,
>> once the sting wears off. I actually plan to call them
>> tomorrow to let them know the Lab didn't work out and why.
>>
>> I called the gal from the GR rescue on the way home with
>> Bailey Friday to tell her I had found a dog and was very
>> excited. She was excited for me. Everyone at that rescue
>> has been great to deal with.
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for all the words of support. I honestly
>> thought I might get flamed to hell and back for returning him.
>> I feel better, and do now believe I did the right thing.
>>
>> I wasn't feeling that way yesterday at all.
>>
>> I was also absolutely heartsick.
>>
>> I was told he got along with cats, but I did not observe this
>> myself.
>>
>> Today I learned that the cats he has been around are barn cats and
>> they have never been indoors with him. I'm not convinced he had
>> any interaction with them at all, knowing barn cats. I guess I
>> should have been more specific?
>>
>> I was clear that my cats are indoor cats and that one is a tiny
>> kitten.
>> I also stated that we sleep in the bed with my dog and the cats.
>> I'm
>> honestly not sure what else I could have said.
>>
>> Obviously I should have asked more in depth questions.
>>
>> Hindsite is a bitch.
>>
>> One of my primary requirements in a dog is one who has been around
>> cats and who is disinterested in them. I made this clear up front
>> and we
>> discussed this in respect to Bailey. Bailey was extremely
>> aggressive towards them. It scared me. Bailey is now back at the
>> rescue. I cried the whole way back with him, because he is perfect
>> in every other way (really amazing, actually), but our cats are as
>> important to
>> us as are our dogs.
>>
>> When I talked to the director of the rescue, she said she would have
>> beaten him for that behavior. That's not my style at all, and I
>> can't imagine that would be a good foundation for trusting, secure
>> relationship for Bailey.
>>
>> I feel like I failed him. My daughter hates me. It doesn't help
>> that her hamster died while she was on her trip and I had to tell
>> her tonight.
>>
>> Oh, and I ate the $300 adoption fee. Despite that, I donated some
>> of the things I bought for Bailey to the rescue. We're going to
>> take a break from looking for a dog. I'm thinking of going to the
>> shelter and getting a mutt puppy instead of an adult... at least any
>> behavioral
>> problems would be of my own doing. Judging by how Roxy behaves,
>> it's nothing I couldn't live with.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> --
>> Lynne
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>> "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8OydnZy0xtXLTf7YnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@insightbb.com...
>>
>>> Paula, my son has complex congenital heart disease.
>>
>> Naaaaah?
>>
>> Too bad you didn't know you had CONGENITAL DEFECTS
>> pryor to spawnin, eh lynne? You KNOW breedin genetically
>> defective stock is abhorrent to ETHICKAL dog lovers, JUST
>> THINK HOWE much WORSE that would be, for HUMANS?
>>
>>> "See you" when I get back from Denver.
>>
>> Have you had VonWillerbrand's DIS-EASE since birth, lynne?
>> AIN'T THAT CONGENITAL too, lynne? ETHICAL BREEDERS
>> DON'T BREED stock that got VWBD and HEART DEFECTS,
>> do they?
>>
>>> Blech.
>>
>> Blech? Oh, that's your new screen name. Very nice choice.
>>
>> It was difficult chosing which CASE HISTORY of yours to
>> CITE FIRST, so, we'll go for your TWO LAST DISMAL
>> FAILURES returnin your last two dogs to the shelters for
>> behavior problems you caused and then we'll take a look at
>> your own congenitally defective children...
>>
>> From: Lynne
>> Date: Sun, Oct 15 2006 8:27 am
>> Email: "Lynne" <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
>> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>>
>> ugh. Curiosity got the best of me and I read that
>> crap on AOL. I feel dirty, and nauseous.
>>
>> My unsolicited advice to all involved: ignore it. Ask yourself if
>> their opinions *really* matter to you. Besides, they'll find a new
>> carcass to gather 'round soon enough, bunch of vultures.
>>
>> --------------
>>
>> From: Lynne
>> Date: Mon, Oct 16 2006 12:18 pm
>> Email: Lynne <unmonitored.em...@gmail.com>
>> Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>>
>> Shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
>> news:e8f7j210fdpq1vcd45rnk67gpll6bruncm@4ax.com:
>>
>>> You will be *much* happier now that you've ditched reading
>>> via Google. If nothing else, the ability to filter out the loonies
>>> is well worth whatever learning curve there might be.
>>
>> There really doesn't seem to be a learning curve at all, but you are
>> right - Google sucks for news. I have used Outlook in the past but
>> I have a conflict with other apps (surprise, surprise) and had to
>> delete it.
>>
>> I'm already loving this killfile--boy HOWdEy!! ;-)
>>
>> --
>> "Lynne" lover of mutts and feral kitties
>>
>> ----------------
>>
>>> Of course we'd all like to think we are the one
>>> (and only one) who can turn the dog around,
>>
>> INDEEDY. The shelter / rescue SCAM has been EXXXPOSED
>> as the revolving door of TAX FREE MONEY bein made hand
>> over fist, comin an goin, in perpetuity, soley to compensate for
>> these unscrupulHOWES dismal failure's fragile defective egos,
>> weak fearful minds and colossal inferiority complexes. Some of
>> these pathetic mental cases MURDER 67% of their RESCUE dogs.
>>
>> LIKE THIS:
>> From: lucyaa...@claque.net
>> Date: Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am
>>
>> sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>>> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
>>> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>>> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> >> <major snippage>
>>
>>> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
>>
>>> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
>>> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
>>> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of their
>>> > RESCUE dogs.
>>
>>> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.
>>
>> From:
>> http://groups-
> beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b
>> ...
>>
>> <<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality might be helpful,
>> too. I'm president of the board of our local shelter. The new
>> board has almost succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin,
>> and very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention to making
>> improvements in our shelter, increasing adoptions, etc. We are in
>> the
>> largest county in our state, and it's also one of the poorest. We
>> take in around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-thirds of
>> them.>>
>>
>> Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer to 67%. IS that
>> really what "rescue" means, Sally? Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one
>> "rescues"?
>>
>> Geeez!
>>
>>> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry to make
>>> up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his lunatic claims?
>>
>> What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then? The part about your
>> "mental
>> illness"? Why, you call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.
>>
>> Though I still can't help wondering how "sane" someone who loves
>> dogs can be when running a shelter that puts down two thirds of the
>> dogs it
>> "rescues".
>>
>>> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
>>
>> Lucy (likewise)
>>
>>> in most cases it just doesn't work.
>>
>> Well THAT'S on accHOWENTA your METHODS:
>>
>> Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
>> UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
>> Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
>> Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
>> Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
>>
>> "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
>> itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
>> change of these three fundamental processes --
>> excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
>>
>> "Postitive emotions arising in connection
>> with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
>> of its pragmatic significance at a given
>> moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
>> emotions, not outside rewards, are what
>> reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
>>
>> "All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
>>
>> "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
>> reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
>> model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
>> Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
>> HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
>> reward not received is experienced as a punishment
>> and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
>> (Azrin et al, 1966)."
>>
>>> Once they are past a certain age, I'd say it's all over
>>> by the time they are 9-10 months old,
>>
>> Well then, you've PROVEN the heretofore mentioned
>> EXXXPERTS all wrong, eh, digitydew???
>>
>> "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
>> technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
>> (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
>> procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
>> disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
>> six days the boys are reported to have been learning
>> new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
>> were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
>> learning immediately deteriorated."
>>
>> BWEEEAAHAHAAAAAA!!!
>>
>>> certain things are going to be chisled in stone and not changable.
>>
>> That so?
>>
>> Dr. Fetko's Philosophy (http://www.drdog.com):
>> "Dogs Are Like Wet Cement - Whatever TouchesThem
>> Makes A Lasting Impression. So Please Make Every
>> Touch Loving."
>>
>> THIS is the ONLY thing "chiseled in stone":
>>
>> Re: brothers and sisters, i bid you beware
>> long ago and far away, sighthounds & siberians <x@ncweb.com>
>> did say:
>>
>>> Elegy,
>>>
>>> I've been where you're at with rescue dogs, a very similar
>>> situation to yours with one dog, and it sucks. I hope you truly
>>> realize that you're the good guy here; you didn't make Homer what
>>> he is. That doesn't make it any easier, I know. But hopefully the
>>> knowledge that you made his last weeks happy ones will give you
>>> some peace.
>>>
>>> I'm so sorry.
>>
>> mostly i feel intense sadness, tinged with some anger and a heaping
>> of disappointment. it's amazing how attached you can get to a dog in
>> such a short time. i hope he understands that he is loved, that he
>> is valued. i know he understands how fabulous french fries and dog
>> beds are.
>> --
>> And now, each night I count the stars.
>> And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
>> http://shattering.org
>> x-no-archive: yes in the headers
>>
>> "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
>> Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
>> Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
>> Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
>>
>> "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
>> I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
>> tech at our local shelter for a while, and
>> I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
>> animals.
>>
>> This however has nothing at all to do with
>> responsible breeders, because responsible
>> breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
>> Mustang Sally.
>>
>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
>> Subject: Re: shock collars
>>
>> Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
>> news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...
>>
>> Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
>> righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
>> in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
>> a lack of ability to perceive same.
>>
>> The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
>> whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
>> unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
>>
>> What it means is that you don't know as much about
>> dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
>> a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
>>
>> I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
>> one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
>> anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
>> nothing to her.
>>
>> I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
>> people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
>> you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
>> what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
>> suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
>> "you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
>> English you guys talk about over there) means that
>> you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
>> who is not worth further notice.
>>
>> Sally Hennessey
>>
>> "Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
>> news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...
>>
>> Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
>> prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
>> intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
>> with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
>> intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
>> own dogs and their reactions better than someone
>> who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
>>
>> I'm starting to see some similarities here.
>>
>> Sally Hennessey
>>
>> 3 From: sighthounds & siberians
>> Date: Mon, Jun 12 2006 4:16 pm
>>
>> montana wildhack wrote:
>>> On 2006-06-10 16:56:28 -0400, sighthounds & siberians
>>> <x...@ncweb.com> sa
>> id:
>>
>>> > Plus
>>> > she's easier to clean up when she
>>
>>> I'm sorry to read that.
>>
>>> Aside from the shedding, I hardly know how to act since we have one
>>> almost 5 year old dog with no major health issues. It's really
>>> weird.
>>
>> I dream of such weirdness. Matty's death reduced the number of
>> males requiring belly bands for medical reasons, as well as the
>> number of dogs taking Previcox. But Anna's feeding routines and
>> medications are really expensive and time-consuming. On a good
>> note, she stopped eating canned food during the last bout of
>> aspiration pneumonia (#5, I think) and we switched her to kibble
>> (soaked until soggy, then ground up with a mixer until it's sort of
>> a paste, and formed into balls). *Much* cheaper, less messy when she
>> inevitably coughs it all over the vicinity and the person feeding,
>> higher in calories, and she really likes it, at least for now. I
>> can't imagine what it would be like to never chew anything crunchy
>> again, poor dog.
>>
>> Mustang Sally
>>
>> "Janet Boss offered a pat on the back, commenting that
>> ultimately it wasn't Kate's decision. Whose was it? I asked.
>> Why, it was Teena's, averred Janet.
>>
>> Janet was in an exculpatory frame of mind because she
>> contributed to this travesty herself, by advising Kate to
>> repeat the aggression trigger (grooming) on a daily basis.
>>
>> It's all in the archives.
>>
>> Now these two are spouting off about what kind of e-collars
>> they like to use on their dogs. Well, I've got an AC Delco
>> model that would be just right for Janet or Kate. BZZZZzzt!
>> I'd have to find it though, and I can't remember if I left
>> it in my underground bunker or the crawlspace under my
>> house," Charlie.
>>
>>> SD
>>
>> You'll notice he didn't say dogs are not changeable,
>> IN FACT, he sez EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE, digitydew.
>>
>> "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
>> deviant behavior of children can be achieved
>> through brief, simple educative routines with
>> their mothers which modify the mother's social
>> behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
>> clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
>> child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
>> from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
>> (Szrynski 1965).
>>
>> A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
>> preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
>> of children was required, and almost ALL cases
>> SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
>> Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
>> treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
>> the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
>> SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
>>
>> The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
>> Never Change,
>> Or They'd Not Be Scientific
>> And Could Not Obtain
>> Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
>> For All Handler's And All Critters,
>> And ALL Behaviors
>> In ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES,
>> ALL OVER The Whole Wild World,
>> NEARLY INSTANTLY,
>> As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Sincerely Incredibly
>> Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
>> GRAND
>> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
>> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
>> FREE
>> WWW Wits'End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training Method Manual
>> <{} ; ~ ) >
>>
>>> PS. I have a theory about Jerry.
>>
>> "THEORY" means UNPROVEN speculatiHOWEN
>> or superstitiHOWES thinkin, don't it, digity?:
>>
>> From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
>> To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Doggy advice
>>
>> Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
>> I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
>> habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
>>
>> I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
>> way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
>> fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
>> competent at living with dogs.
>>
>> I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
>> on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
>> dogs doing this and that, for example:
>>
>> whining,
>> humping, hunching,
>> pacing,
>> self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
>> spinning,
>> prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
>> overstimulated barking,
>> fighting, bullying other dogs,
>> compulsive digging,
>> compulsive scratching,
>> compulsive chewing,
>> frantic behavior,
>> chasing light, chasing shadow,
>> stealing food,
>> digging in garbage can,
>> loosing house (toilet) training.
>> inappropriate fearfulness
>> aggression.
>>
>> The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
>> graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
>> the intervening time working with animals (including the
>> human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
>> in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
>> see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
>>
>> You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
>> animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
>>
>> As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
>> nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
>> is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
>> care.
>>
>> George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
>> Academy of Behavioral Medicine
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
>>
>> The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
>>
>> I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
>> years. I have a huge library that covers every system
>> of training.
>>
>> The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
>> Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
>> the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
>> method yet discovered.
>>
>> It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
>> a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
>> and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
>> consistent manner.
>>
>> Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
>> understand the basis of his system and please follow
>> his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
>> It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
>> descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
>> how their solution should be approached.
>>
>> One should not pick and choose from among his methods
>> based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
>> not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
>> for not only training a dog but for raising a loving
>> companion.
>>
>> When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
>> you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
>> produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
>>
>> You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
>> with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
>> praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
>> will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
>> Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
>> just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
>> dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
>> seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
>> lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
>>
>> Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
>> praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes
>> to train you dog to respond to your commands.
>>
>> What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
>> puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
>> carry him in response to my recall command-and he
>> comes running every time I call no matter where we are
>> or what he is doing.
>>
>> At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
>> his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
>> his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
>>
>> Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
>> scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
>> if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
>> you.
>>
>> Is Jerry a nut?
>>
>> It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
>> It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon
>> their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
>> wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
>> when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
>> or hurting dogs.
>>
>> More than that, he knows that force is not effective
>> and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
>> sometime problems so severe that people put their
>> dogs down because of those problems.
>>
>> I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
>> their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
>> at our wits' end, haven't we?
>>
>> Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
>> literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
>> respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
>> to praise.
>>
>> Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
>> wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
>> You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
>> dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
>> along with their anxiety.
>>
>> Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
>> Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
>> would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
>> success.
>>
>> Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
>>
>> If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little
>> Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin
>> (anyone see The Gremlins?).
>>
>> --Larry
>>
>> -----------------
>>
>>> Who has time to write so much?
>>
>> Time is IRRELEVENT IMMATERIAL and INCONSEQUENTIAL and besides
>> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
>> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard still got THOWESANDS of
>> BIOSOUND Scientific Elves workin their tiny little fingers to the
>> BHOWEN
>> so's The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
>> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard CAN DO STUFF LIKE THIS
>> <{) : ~ ) >:
>>
>> My Student Amanda wrote:
>> "Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
>>
>> No, the dog learned that I would hold still
>> the second she began to pull. She would pull
>> to go where *she* wanted.
>>
>> Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
>> direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
>>
>> she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
>> walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
>> enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
>>
>> Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
>> heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
>> and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
>> looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
>> waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
>> to go again.
>>
>> I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
>> stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
>>
>> I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
>> pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
>>
>> we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
>> followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
>> and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
>> when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
>> better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
>>
>> She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
>> could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
>> he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
>> his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
>> pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
>> at 10pm on a sunday night.
>>
>> One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
>> the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
>> down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
>> never had tension.
>>
>> two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
>> by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
>>
>> And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
>> even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
>> is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
>> gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
>>
>> actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
>> the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
>> she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
>>
>> She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
>> dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
>> and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
>> to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
>> and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
>>
>> She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>> "Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
>> news:
>>
>> I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
>> dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
>> I do not know what started the problem but he came
>> aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
>> snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
>> and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
>> ad I took him with me everywhere.
>>
>> At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
>> Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
>> clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
>> it was not working on his aggression problem.
>>
>> I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
>> trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
>> They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
>> and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
>> suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
>> working as he was becoming more aggressive.
>>
>> I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
>> away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
>> on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
>> use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
>>
>> I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
>> ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
>> LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
>> University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
>> had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
>> gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
>> have the people stop until he could get in control using
>> treats, and work on clicker training.
>>
>> At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
>> the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
>> would not come when I called him and would run away when
>> I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
>> neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
>> hasn't trained her dog"
>>
>> I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
>> were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
>> were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
>> said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
>> say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
>> responsible for him."
>>
>> *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
>> DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
>>
>> As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
>> going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
>> Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
>> Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
>> He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
>> not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
>>
>> The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
>> I had been working for 18 months!
>>
>> Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
>> from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
>> I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
>> blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
>> can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
>>
>> I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
>> -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
>> looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
>> on by.
>>
>> When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
>> me like "you must be out of your mind"
>>
>> The results can make a believer!!!
>>
>> Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
>> Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
>> in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
>>
>> He just seemed to not notice any one.
>>
>> When people talked to him or ask his name he would
>> look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
>>
>> I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
>> enjoy life out in public.
>>
>> If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
>> was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
>> Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
>> toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
>>
>> My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
>> dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
>> out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
>>
>> I know most people would have given up on him a long time
>> ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
>> but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
>>
>> I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
>>
>> ===============================
>> From: Linda Daniel
>> To: Jerry Howe
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
>>
>> Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
>> to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
>> save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
>> thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
>> have but many people would have. The world just does not
>> know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
>> solve problems.
>>
>> We will be here until late April and we really have no
>> plans- -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any
>> time you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would
>> be happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
>>
>> We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
>> right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
>> scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times
>> people would ask his name and want to pet him and he just
>> went to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his
>> tummy.
>>
>> He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
>> those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
>> in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
>> grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
>>
>> Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
>> stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
>> pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
>> a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
>> smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
>>
>> I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
>>
>> I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
>> walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
>> a problem with other people and dogs.
>>
>> I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
>> to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
>> around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
>> treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
>> coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
>> and not move until we backed away-
>>
>> - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the
>> street until I get his attention with treats.
>>
>> They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
>> but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
>> him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
>> sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
>> to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
>> heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>> From: "GEORGE VONHILSHEINER" <DRV...@EARTHLINK.NET>
>> To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
>> Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia
>> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:48:33 -0500
>>
>> The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen of a dog behaviorist,
>> Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl. Howe's primary teaching is that
>> dogs deserve unconditional love, respect, and attention and
>> that by providing these emotional needs dogs will regulate
>> their own behavior.
>>
>> Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders, but he is
>> aggressively hostile to punishers - he refers antagonists
>> to B.F. Skinner, Mary Cover Jones, and J.B. Watson and
>> especially to Samuel A. Corson when they mistakenly annunciate
>> behavioral principles to support their use of punishment.
>>
>> Punishment always deranges behavior, says Skinner,
>> Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!
>>
>> Howe developed a sonic device which calms dogs and has been
>> broadly tested in a wide range of different situations. The
>> present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist who was
>> asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.
>>
>> Howe provided the author with a device, without
>> charge, and said device worked as reported.
>>
>> George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
>> drv...@earthlink.net
>> Then cross reference to Jerry Howe, etc.
>>
>> --------------
>>
>> Jerry, the difficulty with these ignorant dog molesters
>> is that they cannot read. Negative reinforcement is no
>> response by the trainer.
>>
>> There is positive reinforcement, an action which is followed
>> by an increase in the targetted behavior (usually called
>> "reward" which is precisely and technically a misnomer),
>> negative reinforcement is the absence of any response.
>>
>> Negative means 'No'.
>>
>> Skinner's last book, "CUMULATIVE RECORD" reviews this thoroughly.
>> http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html
>>
>> Negative reinforcement is stopping an aversive reinforcement
>> according to this author. Read it, they have a sense of humor!
>>
>> There are four forms of systematic reinforcement:
>>
>> do nothing (negative reinforcement)
>>
>> reward the behavior (positive reinforcement)
>>
>> punish the behavior (aversive reinforcement) after habituating
>> the subject to punishment,
>>
>> stop punishing (relief of aversion, which is negative
>> reinforcement).
>>
>> Logically, failing to reward after habituating a reward
>> is also negative reinforcement. Actually intermittent
>> rewards work better than consistent, invariable rewards,
>> so there is actually another two categories. Invariable
>> reinforcement and random reinforcement (on varying schedules).
>>
>> Punishment is AVERSIVE REINFORCEMENT.
>>
>> Actions which cause the animal being trained to avoid,
>> avert, cringe away from. Pavlovians always responded
>> to American psychologist's inability to reproduce Pavlov's
>> results with dogs with the comment, "American's don't LOVE
>> their dogs". If you ever observed a Russian psychologist
>> working with a dog, you'd instantly see the difference.
>>
>> American psychologists were wooden, robot-like,
>> wanted to be "scientific".
>>
>> This meant to them that they should display no
>> affection, or any other emotion with the subjects.
>>
>> When a Pavlovian dog started to misbehave or fail to respond,
>> doggie was taken out of the equipment, and taken home for a
>> loving vacation, with much TLC. Sam Corson, Pavlov's last
>> student, demonstrated the same relationships at Ohio State.
>>
>> Interestingly the first page of results for Sam Corson,
>> dog behaviorist is loaded with Jerry Howe quoting Dr. Von.
>> heh heh heh
>>
>> Dr. Von
>>
>> Oh, by the way, you once had a pompous fellow say that
>> Dr. Von was a figment of your imagination. I don't
>> normally mention this, but I have been listed in Who's
>> Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big books,
>> Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine
>> etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
>>
>> These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
>> you can't get yourself into them.
>>
>> GvH
>>
>> ===========
>>> A prison inmate.
>>
>> "Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars
>> a cage, minds innocent an quiet take, that, as an
>> hermitage" H.D. Thoreau <{}: ~ ) >
>>
>>> I bet he is in one of those prison training programs
>>> that train dogs so they become adoptable.
>>
>> Oh? You mean LIKE THIS GRADUATE of cesar
>> milan's method used in prison dog trainin programs?:
>>
>> From: "JMW" <jeffrey.m.we...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: 22 Feb 2007 12:54:14 -0800
>>
>> Subject: my dog seems unhappy, and has problems with strangers
>>
>> I got my dog about 9 months ago, a 1.5 year old shepherd mix,
>> rescued. She went through a prison training program for 9 weeks and
>> came to me very well trained and with great house manners. She is a
>> wonderful dog.
>>
>> But something about her demeanor isn't right. She loves to play and
>> will ask for it, but has never been affectionate toward me or
>> anyone, in any way. In fact, any petting or physical contact other
>> than playing, she seems uncomfortable, licking her lips, or looking
>> away, ears back. I do my best to shape her behavior with positive
>> rewards. I have never physically disciplined her beyond a tug on the
>> leash, nor
>> have I yelled at her.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure she's been through some kind of traumatic event,
>> because she's very scared of strangers, especially men. Anyone that
>> comes in the house, or near her outside the house, gets barked at.
>> Any move towards her and she runs away, barking her head off. Her
>> hair
>> stands on end. She doesn't growl or try to bite, though.
>>
>> She has a bad habit, when she's off leash in the woods, of going
>> up behind a jogger, sniffing their butt. If they turn around or
>> react
>> with a "what is this dog going to do to me" kind of body language,
>> she freaks out, and scares the heck out of the poor jogger. But
>> with anyone who reacts with "oh, hi doggie", she is fine. On the
>> leash she doesn't bark at strangers, but she may cower or hide
>> behind me if they
>> get too close.
>>
>> Other dogs don't bother her at all, in fact, I've never seen a more
>> laid back dog (around other dogs).
>>
>> So, what do I do about this? The biggest problems are a) she seems
>> unhappy, and b) she loves to run in the woods, but I feel like an
>> irresponsible dog owner when she scares other people with her
>> barking.
>>
>> Seems like she needs some kind reassurance and confidence, but I
>> don't
>> know what to try.
>>> No one else would have the kind of time to devote to
>>> posting such hateful nonsense to people all the time.
>>
>> INDEED? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:
>>
>> "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
>> Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
>> lynn.
>>
>> "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
>> just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
>> we need to crate train a dog immediately because
>> they are usually in need of medical care and they
>> are in foster homes with other dogs.
>>
>> It's a safety necessity," "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>>
>> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
>> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
>> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>>
>> - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>>
>> Lynn K.
>>
>> "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
>> Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
>> Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
>> Cats?
>>
>> 'This Article Is Something We've Put Together
>> For SF GSD Rescue'
>>
>> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
>> Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
>> Date: 1999/11/20
>>
>> ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
>>
>> Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
>>
>> "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
>> forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
>> better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
>> this situation.
>>
>> Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
>> should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
>> to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
>> take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
>> time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
>> whatever other reward system was being used."
>>
>> 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
>> Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
>> works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
>> dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
>> you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
>> walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
>> why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an
>> aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly
>> with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the
>> correction must be physically very strong - not a nag.
>>
>> (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all).
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> From: java...@yahoo.com (Lynn K.) -
>> Date: 8 Sep 2001 11:28:54 -0700
>>
>> Subject: Re: Proofing + Welcome, And
>> Yes, This Is The Right Place
>>
>> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> <news:XKUl7.15254$VX3.770667@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
>>
>>> Hello People,
>>
>>> "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life.
>>> I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't
>>> Use It." lynn k.
>>
>>> Read the following and then let's discuss proofing.
>>
>> Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry. I don't use
>> the long line method of teaching a recall. You know,
>> the old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing.
>>
>> I don't use it and the quotes you dredged up don't
>> recommend it either. The long line in those cases
>> was simply recommended for safety - no reeling
>> the dog in, no having the dog hit the end of the line -
>> no long line recall training method.
>>
>> Tell me - do you really understand so very little
>> about dog training that you don't understand
>> what you read? And do you really have so much
>> extra time on your hands to indulge this very
>> strange obsession of yours?
>>
>> Lynn K.
>>
>> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
>> Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it
>> Date: 1999/05/21
>>
>>>"A.Waugh" wrote:
>>> Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ?
>>> At what age should a dog be trained 100% ?
>>> What about socialization?
>>
>> I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
>> recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with
>> other pups, while on a long line.
>>
>> Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
>> of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so
>> well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
>> fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very
>> good thing to learn early.
>>
>> Timing is critical here, because what you want
>> is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
>> start, but still have time to give the command
>> and have him decide to come back to you before
>> he hits the end of the long line.
>>
>> The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
>> so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
>> work with her.
>>
>> And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
>> meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
>> Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
>> hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.
>>
>> Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
>> recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly
>> decides that he can release himself from a down/stay
>> after being solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a
>> catch-me game, a sharp downward collar correction
>> as you put him back into position is a "come to
>> Jesus meeting".
>>
>> Don't infer from that description that force is
>> an intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't.
>>
>> I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
>> but you'd be very wrong.
>>
>> Lynn K
>>
>> BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
>>
>> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
>> Subject: Re: Help! Aust.Sheperd herding colts!
>> Date: 1999/06/19
>>
>> Trudi Rioux wrote:
>>> Hi. I'm new here and don't even know if this is the right place.
>>
>> Welcome, and yes, this is the right place.
>>
>>> But.....if it is....I have 2 yr old Aust. sheperd female, herding
>>> colts while I'm training. I need advice re training me to train
>>> her.
>>
>> You have to do 2 separate things: deny her the opportunity to
>> chase and convince her that chasing is not something she wants to
>> do.
>>
>> The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training so
>> she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't work with her.
>>
>> This is important because every time she successfully chases, it
>> reinforces the act. A single successful chase can wipe out the
>> benefits of many very good training sessions to convince her not
>> to chase.
>>
>> To discourage her from chasing, you want to use a distraction
>> like a shake can, throw chain, discs, or electronic collar. (There
>> are many training books that can help you with the use of these
>> things.) When she alerts and is just starting for a colt, use the
>> distraction device.
>>
>> Don't say anything; you don't want her to associate the distraction
>> with you - just use it out of the blue. When she lifts her head
>> back towards you, praise the heck out of her and step backwards,
>> encouraging her to come back to you, with lots of praise.
>>
>> You might want to do this with a long line tied to a fence post
>> the 1st few times, just to make sure she can't chase, but give
>> the distraction before she hits the end of the line.
>>
>> Lynn K.
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
>> Subject: Re: "Down" command (for Leon)
>> Date: 1999/09/08
>>
>>> Robert Crim wrote:
>>
>>> So........what do you think a "come to Jesus meeting" is?
>>
>> Why on earth are you fixating on this term? It is, BTW, a
>> term I happen to use a lot, though more in dealing with humans
>> than with dogs. I'm sure you know full well the derivation of
>> the term, and can't figure out why you are putting what seems
>> to be a negative spin on it. To me, a "come to Jesus meeting"
>> is a pivotal point, where a pattern or behavior is stopped and
>> a more productive one substituted. Just as it was in the revival
>> tents where the phrase came from.
>>
>> I had a "come to Jesus meeting" yesterday with 2 fighting humans
>> in a conflict that was undermining a training program, and, yes,
>> that was the term I used to describe the resolution session.
>>
>> And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus meetings"
>> with dogs over willful disobedience.
>>
>> Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is hits
>> adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.
>>
>> Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast recalls
>> is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly decides
>> that he can release himself from a down/stay after being
>> solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a catch-me game,
>> a sharp downward collar correction as you put him back
>> into position is a "come to Jesus meeting".
>>
>> Don't infer from that description that force is an
>> intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't. I know
>> that that is what you are trying to get at, but you'd
>> be very wrong.
>>
>> Lynn K
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> Hey, know what digity? You'd have to be FREAKIN INSANE
>> to believe these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin
>> punk thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL
>> CASES.
>>
>> WOULDN'T YOU, digitydew?:
>>
>> Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
>> <news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
>>
>> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
>> quotes are true.
>>
>> In the posts below you take responsibility for
>> making those calls.
>>
>> In your post above, you state you do not
>> make those calls.
>>
>> Which one is it?
>>
>> WORDS OF WISDOM
>> From Our Own Lynn Kosmakos
>> 1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft
>> EVERY DAY
>> For Twenty Years
>>
>> I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
>>
>> "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
>> depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
>> mg of Zoloft every day.
>>
>> I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
>> learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
>> information I have learned. But if I were ever
>> to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
>> reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
>>
>> "Community is an evolutionary thing that we
>> earn the right to participate in by observing
>> the easily understood rules and contributing
>> to in constructive ways."
>>
>> "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
>> - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
>> a comment she made about scarey side effects of
>> Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
>> I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
>> any side effect is far less frightening than the
>> very real dangers of life without it."
>>
>> Lynn K.
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
>> Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
>> Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
>> Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
>> The Pressure Up," cindy moreon, k9 web.
>>
>> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...
>>
>>> He was next to me and I could see his neck
>>> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
>>> Janet Boss
>>
>> "sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
>>
>>> I can't imagine needing anything higher
>>> than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
>>> dog like a Lab.
>>
>> sinofabitch writes:
>>
>>> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
>>> posts from two different people, took pieces of
>>> them out of context, cobbled them together,
>>> then added his own words:
>>
>> "NEATLY" and "SMARTLY".
>>
>>> and a fake signature.
>>
>> "SINOFABITCH".
>>
>>> Which is exactly what he did.
>>> The actual quote is misleading when taken
>>> out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote" is
>>> downright meaningless.
>>
>> Here's Jerry's version
>>
>> "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
>> Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
>> Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
>> Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
>> Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
>> Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
>> Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
>>
>> Here's yours;
>>
>> "I dropped the leash, threw my
>> right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
>> grabbed her opposite foot with my
>> left hand, rolled her on her side,
>> leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
>> nipped her ear.
>> --Sara Sionnach
>>
>> "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
>> things is something you twisted out of
>> context, because you are full of bizarro
>> manure."
>>
>> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
>> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...
>> > Di,
>> > I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of
>> > training. If you are interested in training retrieval
>> > behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's:
>> > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered,
>> > Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
>> > by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl:
>>
>> "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
>> helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
>> Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
>> you to progress to striking them more
>> sharply,"
>>
>> "Try pinching the ear between the metal
>> casing and the collar, even the buckle on
>> the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
>> give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
>> direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
>>
>> "You can press the dog's ear with a
>> shotshell instead of your thumb even
>> get a studded collar and pinch the ear
>> against that Make the dog's need to stop
>> the pinching so urgent that resisting your
>> will fades in importance.
>>
>> CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
>> Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
>> using the stick and no ear pinch.
>>
>> When the dog is digging out to beat the
>> stick and seems totally reliable without
>> any ear pinch, you are finished
>>
>> This is continued resistance to your
>> increasing authority, and the job is
>> not done until it is overcome"
>>
>> If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
>> under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
>>
>> (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
>> because the ear is getting tender, or the
>> dog has decided it isn't worth it)"
>>
>> "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
>>
>> "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
>> Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
>> With A Riding Crop,"
>>
>> "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar,
>> and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on
>> the rump with a training stick while holding
>> him partially off the ground. John then told
>> Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast
>> him back to the dummies,"
>>
>> Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
>> Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
>>
>> Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201
>>
>> der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
>>
>> "The success of science depends on a string of failures."
>> Jerome Groopman, M.D., Recanati Professor of Immunology,
>> Harvard Medical School. Quoted by Frank Rich, New York
>> Times, August 18, 2001 in "The Genius of George W. Bush."
>>
>>> Why purebred dogs?
>>
>> "They say the best thing in life are FREE. But you can
>> give'm to the birds an bees I WANT MONEY; THAT'S
>> WHAT I WANT," John Lennon.
>>
>>> Genetic mapping of traits, whether coat color, cancer,
>>> or behavioral conditions, is often facilitated by using
>>> "genetically homogeneous" populations.
>>
>> "Inbreeding is Spiritual, Not Physical" The Amazing Puppy Wizard.
>>
>>> This means that the shared genetic background of purebred
>>> dogs is circumscribed, or simply put, was handed down from
>>> a limited number of founder dogs for the breed.
>>
>> 1Ki 15:3 And he walked in all the sins of his father,
>> which he had done before him: and his heart
>> was not perfect with the LORD his God, as
>> the heart of David his father.
>>
>>> This ensures that all or most of the dogs with a trait
>>> within a breed are more likely to share the same genetic
>>> variation or mutation.
>>
>> Oh? You mean LIKE THIS?:
>>
>> Subject: The ROCK.
>> Born Of A Virgin.
>> Crucified For His Sins.
>>
>> HOWEDY People,
>>
>> Mental illness runs rampant within families:
>>
>> HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,
>>
>> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
>> news:cda6a8$8nl$1@uwm.edu...
>>
>>> In article <Fri9527C06A5DBF3australianshepher...@rocky-dog.com>
>> Rocky 2...@rocky-dog.com, writes:
>>> >Marshall Dermer said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>>
>>> >> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my mentally ill mother
>>
>> Any ETHICKAL breeder would DISCONTINUE
>> the DEFECTIVE LINE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>>
>>> >> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
>>> >> When the doctor completed the examination,
>>> >> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
>>> >> herself to be a virgin!
>>
>> Many breeders, especially when dealing with
>> temperaMENTAL bitches rely on artificial insemination.
>>
>>> >> Now if my Jewish, biological mother reported
>>> >> herself to be a virgin than what might this make
>>> >> me? :-)
>>
>> An artificial breeding EXXXPERIMENT?
>>
>> The remainin choices ain't all that appealin, professor.
>>
>>> > Heh.
>>
>> Heh heh.
>>
>>> > Maybe it's time you visited one of those links listed in my
>>> > header.
>>
>> Heh. Maybe it's time for you lying dog abusing
>> punk thug cowards to find your own PRIVATE
>> list where you can hurt dogs and lie abHOWET
>> it all you like withHOWET fear of The Amazing
>> Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING MOCKING and
>> RIDICULING your "methods" by QUOTING you.
>>
>>> Hm...if I were the Moshiach (Hebrew for "the
>>> anointed one")
>>
>> You mean, bein a non believing jew who PREYS
>> like HEEL when he was SICK and DYING, born
>> of a lying whore, or a MENTAL CASE, on accHOWENT
>> of as a SCIENTIST you CANNOT BELIEVE in G-D,
>> therefore your PREYIN was DEFECTIVE, likeWIZE,
>> therefore, a VIRGIN BIRTH would necessarily be only
>> ANOTHER LIE or a psychotic break from reality.
>>
>> You figger HOWET what THAT would make you, professor.
>>
>>> then I would have "cleaned up" this world.
>>
>> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
>> your WORK and EXXXPOSED you as a lying dog
>> abusing FRAUD, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>>
>>> As for folks believing they are the Messiah
>>
>> Or a SCIENTIST not believing that MENTAL
>> ILLNESS is EITHER hereditary or environMENTAL...
>> IOW, ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAIVOR, professor
>> SCRUFF SHAKE.
>>
>>> (or Jesus in the case of Christians),
>>
>> Or perhaps The Amazing Puppy Wizard for those
>> non believers amongst us, particularly SCIENTISTS
>> who've been PROVEN FRAUDS, professor.
>>
>>> a classic study of three people who claimed to
>>> be Jesus is introduced here:
>>
>> <snip link>
>>
>> A classic study of a lying dog abusing punk
>> thug fraud behaviorist is introduced here...
>>
>>> This is good too, especially the song at the end.
>>
>> The SONG at the end is a FUNeral dirge, professor.
>>
>>> Kol tuv, (all that is good,)
>>
>> INDEED, professor. ALL IS GOOD.
>>
>>> --Marshall
>>
>> ESPECIALLY if you're DIVINE.
>>
>> But it ain't over till The Fat Lady sings.
>>
>> Hark! Methinks The Amazing Puppy Wizard
>> hears her warming up right NHOWE:
>>
>>
>> LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
>> conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS
>> Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined
>>
>> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd-----------
>>
>>> But I think what Lois was referring to was
>>> the fact that Darlene actually stated at
>>> some point that she was bipolar--and, IIRC,
>>> that meds did not work for her--so she was
>>> prone to major-league ups and downs and sudden
>>> enthusiasms..
>>
>> "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
>> - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
>> a comment she made about scarey side effects of
>> Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
>> I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
>> any side effect is far less frightening than the
>> very real dangers of life without it."
>>
>> Lynn K.
>> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd-----------
>>
>> LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
>>
>> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
>> Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
>> Date: 1999/09/03
>>
>> BoxHill wrote:
>>> I know I am totally off topic here, but have
>>> you read "The Unquiet Mind"?
>>
>> Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
>> watered down for the mass market, if
>> you know what I mean. There's really
>> quite a lot of good work out there and
>> decent research. Thank God.
>>
>> Lynn K.
>> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd---------
>>
>> MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
>>
>> MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...
>>
>> YOU DO THE MATH
>>
>> "What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
>> 'I take anti-depressives'"
>>
>> From: Gary & lois Edwards (g...@bmi.net)
>> Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
>> Date: 1999/09/02
>>
>> BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS
>>
>> "I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
>> for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
>> the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
>> is now days you can say proudly,
>>
>> "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
>> taking them it was seen as something shameful.
>> If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
>> a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
>> depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
>> "You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
>> any pain meds.....you could become addicted."
>>
>> The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
>> father locked her in her room back in the twenties
>> because she was simple. A shame that medication
>> probably would have helped her live a normal life.
>>
>> No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
>> personality, she has a way of making grandiose
>> plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
>> does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
>> with problems could be counted on to be
>> irresponsible."
>>
>> Lois E.
>>
>> ------------------------------\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd-------
>>
>> HOWEDY professor lyin doc "SCRUFF SHAKE
>> and SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds
>> and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
>> dermer, associate professor ofANAL-ytic behaviorISM
>> at UofWI,
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
>>>Date: 24 Feb 2005 05:09:27 GMT
>>>Subject: Re: what's with that puppy wizard?
>>
>>
>> Seems The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the favorite
>> subject on the dog news groups on accHOWENT
>> of The Amazing Puppy Wizard has discovered the
>> casues and FHOWEND the CURES for ALL dog
>> and child temperament and behavior problems and
>> has PROVEN HIS METHODS independently of ANY
>> human interaction through the same conditioning
>> techniques as taught to HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
>> NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
>> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
>> all over The Whole Wild World in HIS FREE WWW
>> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual as designed
>> into HIS Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
>> Did And A Cockatoo And A Cow And A Horse Or Two
>> Did Too) Machine <{) ; ~ ) >
>>
>> THAT'S SCIENCE, professor.
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article <384psjF5l4fn...@individual.net> "Nathan Otis"
>> <n...@smeat.spam.net> writes:
>>
>>>>It's a shame he puts on this show in the news group
>>
>>
>>
>> INDEEDY. You might call it The Amazing
>> Puppy Wizard and Pony SHOWE <{) ; ~ ) >
>>
>>>> because what he actually has to say is good stuff.
>>
>> INDEEDY. But HOWER DOG LOVERS DON'T LIKE
>> IT on accHOWENT of they can't HURT BRIBE CRATE
>> CHOKE INTIMIDATE SHOCK and MURDER their own
>> DOGS noMOORE as they PREFER <{) ; ~ ) >
>>
>>>> I've read his "Wits End" manual and it's very
>>>> intelligent and well thought out... Not to mention
>>>> it works!
>>
>> Like FREAKIN MAGICK, professor SCRUFF SHAKE <{) ; ~ ) >
>>
>>>This is somewhat dated:
>>
>> You're FINISHED in this BUSINESS, professor.
>>
>> By DENYING the POSTED CASE HISTORY
>> DATA cititing 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
>> INSTANT REHABILITATION of ALL dogs and
>> ALL behaviors for ALL handlers ALL OVER
>> The Whole Wild World YOU'VE READ, using
>> EITHER The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
>> WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
>> OR HIS DDR MACHINE, who've posted here,
>> you're in violation of the codes of ETHICS of
>> ALL the professional associations you belong to.
>>
>>
>>
>>>http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html
>>
>>
>> The contributors to that page, like yourself,
>> have been PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING
>> MENTAL CASES, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>>
>> The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES your own
>> POSTED CASE HISTORIES of the mentally ill
>> lying dog abusing punk thug cowards like yourself
>> who'll do and say ANY THING to DEFEND your
>> alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIATE and MURDER
>> dogs, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>>
>>
>> Your own little hyperactive Maxie The Magnificent
>> FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator
>> is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
>> DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
>>
>>
>> Your own CASE HISTORY DATA The Amazing Puppy
>> Wizard QUOTES and CITES PROVES you likeWIZE
>> have FHOWEND a SIMILAR CURE for your own dog's
>> AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE SYMPTOMS, e.g. you
>> wash his tallywhacker with a warm moist THOWEL
>> pryor to bedtime for it's ANTIBIOTIC theraputic
>> effect on Maxie's CHRONIC BLADDER INFECTIONS.
>>
>>
>>
>>>--Marshall
>>
>>
>> IMAGINE if you SUGGESTED THAT to the
>> AVMA as the CURE for 90% of their deathly
>> ill patients, like your own dog Maxie, professor?
>>
>> OR you could just recommend they give
>> their customer their own FREE copy of
>> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
>> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
>> and they won't be gettin the CHRONIC
>> DIS-EASES you and your punk thug pal's
>> dogs got, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>>
>>> And BTW, those prison programs select
>>> only young dogs to work with.
>>
>> Sez you? Oh, you mean that "old dogs can't learn new tricks"?:
>>
>> "Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net
>> wrote in message news:
>> fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net. ..
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> What worked for me, in just one storm, was
>> to praise the dog after each clap of thunder,
>> telling him he's a Good Dog!
>>
>> This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
>>
>> The next time it thundered, he did not even
>> react at all--you could not tell it was the
>> same dog as before.
>>
>> There was more thunder just the other day,
>> and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
>> cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at
>> all, it was that simple.
>>
>> I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might
>> seem to be a "wild and crazy" character,
>> but his non- abusive way of handling dogs
>> WORKS.
>>
>> Wonderfully.
>>
>> Praise.
>>
>> It's that simple.
>>
>> Juanita
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> AND LIKE THIS 12 YEAR OLD DOG:
>>
>> <robin4...@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:04:50 -0700
>>
>> Subject: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two
>>
>> Success!
>>
>> I left for about 25 minutes, and when I returned
>> and walked thru the front door - no dog standing
>> there waiting for me! No barking, no whimpering -
>> no anything.
>>
>> In fact, no dog!
>>
>> I got worried, looking all over for her. I found
>> her asleep (yes, asleep!!!!) on a pile of clothing
>> that was on the floor in my second bedroom.
>>
>> I left a tape recorder running while I was gone, but,
>> without realizing it, I had it set to Voice Activation -
>> and it hadn't been activated! I don't think she made a
>> sound while I was gone.
>>
>> I almost feel ready to give it a big test - leave her
>> at home while I go to a movie, which I haven't been
>> able to do since I got her a little over one year ago.
>>
>> Both times I employed your technique over the last couple
>> of days, I did so at night. Just because I need to satisfy
>> myself that this is real, I'm going to leave during the day
>> for awhile. I know you'll say it won't make any difference,
>> but gotta do it, gotta test it, gotta assure myself that this
>> is real.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> =====
>> AND LIKE THIS 10 Year Old Dog:
>>
>> Chris Williams writes:
>>
>> "The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
>> I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
>> I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
>> New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
>> the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>> AND LIKE THIS 8 Year Old Dog:
>>
>> "nesskay" <ness...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1156529540.182250.183510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> It has been a couple of months since we have initiated Jerry Howe's
>> recommendations for resolving the separation anxiety in our 8 y.o.
>> chocolate lab.
>>
>> We have seen remarkable results.
>>
>> She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
>> all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with
>> Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without
>> her barking in a high pitch incessantly.
>>
>> I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair
>> railing, putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the bed so
>> that she could not get to the blind (again!). It would take about
>> 10-15
>> minutes
>> of planning and moving things before we could leave.
>>
>> Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW
>> use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner
>> or whatever, without any problems.
>>
>> She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.
>>
>> I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.
>>
>> Another problem that we had with her was although she would
>> not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
>> places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this
>> on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that
>> she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done
>> that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!
>>
>> Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
>> anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
>> to speculate what could have happened with Amelia.
>>
>> We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.
>> We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.
>>
>> Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.
>>
>> It is that simple!
>>
>> Thank you, Thank you Thank you!
>> Nancy and Amelia
>>
>> ----------
>>
>> Damn The Descartean War of
>> "Nature Vs Nurture."
>> We Teach By HOWER Words
>> And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>>
>> In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
>> FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
>> SAME SAME SAME SAME,
>> For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
>>
>> "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
>> may acquire those rights
>> which never could have been withholden from them
>> but by the hand of tyranny.
>>
>> The question is not can they REASON,
>> nor can they TALK,
>> but can they SUFFER?" -
>> - Jeremy Bentham
>>
>> All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed.
>> Second, it is violently opposed.
>> Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
>> -Arthur Schopenhauer
>>
>> "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
>> even tho it's a hopeless task,
>> in this system of things.
>> As long as man is ruling man,
>> there will be animals (and humans!)
>> abused and neglected. :-(
>> Your student," Juanita.
>>
>> "If you've got them by the balls their
>> hearts and minds will follow,"
>> John Wayne.
>>
>> The Insanely Freakin Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )
>> >
>>
>> Jerry Howe,
>> Director of Research,
>> Human And Animal Behavior
>> Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
>> BIOSOUND Scientific,
>> Director of Training,
>> Wits' End Dog Training
>> 1611 24th St
>> Orlando, FL 32805
>> Phone: 1-407-425-5092
>> Email:
>> The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wizard_@HotMail.Com
>>
>> WELCOME to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
>> Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
>> Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
>> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat And
>> Horse Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
>> Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{); ~ ) >
>>
>> I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
>> Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ )
>> >
>>
>> Here's your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
>> Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
>> Horsey Wizard's
>>
>> The *666* Edition Of Your Own
>> FREE COPY
>> Of
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>> GRAND
>> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
>> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
>> FREE WWW
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>> >
>>
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>>
>> I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
>> Jerry Howe,
>> The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
>> A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
>> G-R-A-N-D
>> Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
>>
>> HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
>>
>>
>
> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.) "The Puppy Wizard" for
> Golden Killfile.
>
> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)
>
> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>
>
> Any seconds?

Long overdue. Seconded.

I see Puppyfucker already got the Unabomber.

H*@HotMail.Com
2007-04-06 17:55:31 EST
HOWEDY woodchuck bill you pathetic malignant
miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life long incurable
MENTAL CASE,

On Apr 6, 3:16 am, Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote:
> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
>> innews:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> > HOWEDY People,
>
>> > If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>> > COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>> > thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
>> > HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:

> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.

> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)

> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>

> Any seconds?

> --
> Bill

--------------

For SHORE, billy!

You'll find LOTS of like minded pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward ignorameHOWESES like
yourself RIGHT HERE!

HOWEver, to keep them *HAPPY* you gotta SNIP TEST
and TRIM HEADERS otherWIZE you'll be KILLFILED by
your fellow DOG LOVER MENTAL PATIENTS, billy!:

HOWEDY Soup,

Seems jenn's post didn't show up on my news reader. Here's
my reply to the post you're responding to. Thanks for the
top posting advice, we wouldn't want to rock the boat:

"Shifter of Paradigms" <pshi...@changethemuzzle.com> wrote
in message news:3D3D10DD.D7D94181@changethemuzzle.com...

> Howedy Jenn,
> Please don't top post. Some people in Europe get charged
> extra for top posted material.
> Thank you for cooperating.

Thank you for not buckling under the overwhelming wealth
of viciousness and stupidity from our alleged dog lovers.

Here's my reply to jenn:

HOWEDY jenn,

> Jerry] Re: occasional post-this newsgroup (rest of header
> snipped) [Jerry]

> Date: 2002-07-23 01:44:43 PST
> Note: the following post is a long response to Jerry Howe.

Imagine?

> This is to prevent people who don't care from having to read it.

Excuse me jenn, but that's not quite correct. Those "people"
who "don't care to read it" read Jerry's posts first. They're
worried about everyone else reading Jerry's posts cause
they're afraid people will GET WISE to their conspiracy
to defend koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch
choke collar training...

> Sorry if that pisses you off Jerry,

Your pals who call for killfiling Jerry are not concerned
with JERRY, they're concerned with ANY non violent trainer
who's ever posted here because they cannot justify HURTING
and KILLING dogs when there's few trainers like Jerry and
Soup and Marilyn hangin out here.

That's HOWE COME your professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its face for
5 seconds" dermer KILLFILED MARILYN for reporting an INSTANT
CURE for her destructive separation anxiety students of hers.

Marilyn's got thirty years experience training dogs and
is a student of Jerry's. You got any idea HOWE COME
our professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM would want to
KILLFILE and experienced trainer who's discovered
an INSTANT CURE for destructive separation anxiety,
jenn?

Ask Marilyn. She's never been RUDE to nobody here,
jenn. The fact is, your pals are conspirators, liars,
and dog abusers. Ask Marilyn, she'd tell you if she
wasn't afraid of OFFENDING nobody.

That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE, jenn,
cause she's got a lack of moral integrity, as I see it
in not being FORTHRIGHT about these issues so stupid
neophyte nitwits like you don't get sucked in and deceived
by our EXPERIENCED LYING DOG ABUSING COWARD THUG CONSPIRATORS.

> but you're pissed off anyway,

NOT AT YOU, jenn. I'm pissed off at Marilyn for not wanting
to upset the apple cart and LYING BY OMISSION... as to what's
goin down here on our forum.

> on so I'm really not really affecting you.

Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip
text and put NINNYBOY in the subject header so folks
who've been DECEIVED as you have won't accidentally
find out who's been LYING to them, jenn. Ask Marilyn
if you don't believe me. Go ahead...

>"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:Pz5%8.11440$LS3.2136862@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
>> Annoys? Or do you mean EMBARRASSES?
> Um, nope. If it embarrassed, I would not be responding.

We'll see. I'll go through your objections and you'll see
what I'm tellin you is the truth and you'll have NO CHOICE
but to KILLFILE JERRY because THAT IS The EPITOME
of The SYNDROME.

>> > > > Haltis and the like, as with any collar, halter,
>> > > > harness and leash, can be used improperly and is
>> > > > therefore harmful to the dog.

I see. You think discussing the GL is an acceptable subterfuge
for the real issues that perhaps you are not even aware of because
that too, IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME.

This "flame war" is NOT about Jerry jenn. Jerry is the only trainer
besides Soup who is able to withstand the constant lies abuse
email and telephone harassment and personal attacks over
teaching people to handle and train dogs WITHOUT HURTING
them. Ask marilyn, jenn. Once marilyn levels with you and your
little CHUMP CHUMS, then PERHAPS I'll reconsider entertaining
her friendship, but with a much closer eye on her INTEGRITY.

>> > > NO. That's a lie.

>> > No, it is not.

I just told you it is and I offered PROOF.

>> I just told you it is.

> We could "s'not, so" about that all night, Jerry.

NO YOU CAN'T, cause you'll KILLFILE JERRY when you
cannot answer the HARD questions, jenn. Ask professor
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer HOWE he reconciles his
scruff shake with allelomimetic behavior?

That's HOWE COME he MUST killfile Jerry and all his students.

>> > With all your talk about mishandling, how can you
>> > say that misuse of "equipment" is a lie?

The "equipment" is INTENDED BY DESIGN to INFLICT PAIN
FEAR and FORCE jenn. That GL is neither gentle nor a leader,
it's a vicious neck twister device and the INSTRUCTIONS for
their "certified" fitters is INTENDED TO BREAK the dog's
REFLEXIVE RESPONSE to being FORCES TO SUBMIT, jenn.

That's what causes hyperactivity and aggression and self
mutilation, jenn. That's HOWE COME you can't get away
punishing and choking and shocking dogs jenn, cause behaviors
are all CONNECTED, and when we REPRESS one behavior that
behavior doesn't go away as if by MAGICK as they do when
I extinguish the behavior by interrupting the thought process.

That REPRESSION causes ANXIETY to go deep within, where it
attacks the parasympathetic nervous and endocrine systems
and GETS DOGS DEAD, jenn.

IT'S CALLED The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >

Ask marilyn. She PROBABLY understands that well enough now
after having thirty sumpthin years experience professionally
training dogs and now having three years of using my methods.

Look at HOWE my students are treated here when they report
near INSTANT CURES for their dog's behavior problems, they're
called LIARS and FORGERIES by myself and PAID SHILLS FOR
JERRY and ANIMAL FUCKERS, jenn.

What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post here no
moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him, so like marilyn,
he can go fry his ass as far as Jerry's concerned. Too bad,
cause Nevyn was fixin to become a professional trainer, and
I was just about to give him my lesson plan which he's gonna
need bye and bye, and he won't be gettin it unless he asks
on our forum so you and your pals can ridicule him and call
him a liar someMOORE as they do me and Soup.

>> Because the INSTRUCTIONS for fitting the GL are INTENDED
>> to TRIGGER the opposition reflex and OVERRIDE IT with
>> PAIN FEAR and FORCE jenn....I did a report on the manufacture's
>> instructions.

> Yes, I know this. It inspired me to look into how the GL is
> fitted as used myself, and I agree with you on this.

Imagine? And that wasn't enough to make you KILLFILE Jerry?

That gravely concerns me, jenn. If you don't get angry and take
this PERSONALLY and KILLFILE Jerry cause you can't DISCUSS
the issues, that'd disprove The SYNDROME and I'm outta gas, jenn.

> Things I have said about the GL in the past are not things
> I believe anymore.

IMAGINE? And HOWE do you figure all your pals out there believing
they're being KIND to their dogs as they intimidate them by twisting
their neck under their foreleg?

> The GL, IMO, is not the non-force method it claims to be.

EXACTLY, jenn. It was designed by an NADOI trainer and
a veterinary behaviorist. These guys DESIGNED the GL
with the INTENT of triggering and overriding positive
thigmotaxis. You think their DESCRIPTION of their product
and HOWE it works is HONEST FAIR and ACCURATE, jenn?

What's it called up in Canada when we got experts LYING
about their FRAUDULENT PRODUCTS they sell, jenn?

> But I was talking about the Halti.

The Halti is significantly different, but the REASON the halti
has been designed as it is, is for 2 reasons. FIRST, the
halti guy needed to outstep the PATENT Dr. Alice DeGroote
obtained for her K-9 Kum-A-Long, and 2ndly, he wanted to
be able to apply MOORE FORCE to the dog than the original
K-9 Kum-A-Long would afford, because THAT is the NATURE
of this beast in the dog training industry.

> In your report you said that the Halti was a knock-off of the
> K-9 Kumalong, and the design is exactly the same (I checked).

Not exactly or they'd have that little issue of the patent...

> You praised the K9 Kumalong in your report, Jerry. You do
> state that they have deviated from the original intent, but if
> one sticks with the original intent, is it not a good thing?

Yes jenn. The Halti doesn't automatically trigger the opposition
reflex and intimidate the dog.

> If they do deviate from the original intent as you
> state, then is that not handler abuse?

No, that'd be the instructions, which is HOWE COME they
beefed the halter up so it's able to withstand FORCE.

> Isn't "not paying attention to a dog during training", mishandling?

The PROBLEM is the INTENT. As was clear with "broken rib,"
you'll see three incompetent traditionally trained handlers
trying to force control and inhibit their dogs lunging by paying
attention and HURTING their dogs in advance of the lunge.
That only represses the lunging so long as the handler is
ready to THREATEN the dog.

You can't have it both ways, jenn. You cannot have a
TRUSTWORTHY well trained well behaved dog and
be constantly prepared to HURT IT when his behaviors
SCARE YOU, jenn. Our pal carol levie went to SEE our
expert graduate of captain haggartey's lesson sales
school, and he sent her to his COMPETITOR so she
wouldn't need to come back here and admit that booby
could ONLY teach her to jerk and choke her dog on
a pronged spiked pinch choke collar to MAKE IT FRIENDLY,
and her dog came outta his competitors class TURNING ON
HER jenn. Figger it out, huh?

> Did you forget? Let me quote, just to remind you where
> I am getting this from: From the Halti web site: "Properly
> fitted and introduced, head halters can prevent pulling
> and shape more desirable behaviors. Using a head halter is
> a new experience for most dog handlers.
>
> Unlike the snap of a choke-chain, the head halter is most
> effective when used gently and subtly. Strength is not a
> factor, making It is highly recommended that your dog be
> fitted and you be trained in proper usage by a professional
> trainer.

> The halter is particularly appropriate for restraining and
> retraining dogs with aggression problems, especially dogs
> who lunge at people or other dogs. When used properly in
> conjunction with positive reinforcers such as treats, alternate
> behaviors (such as "look at me") become more rewarding than
> acting out towards other dogs or people."
>
> (the above paragraph is where they deviate from
> the original intent, right?-js)

===========

That's the bottom line, People. The objective of the halter
is not to FORCE control, but to gently redirect the dog, not
"GUIDE" him by force as most of our dog lovers PREFER to do.

IOW, they're BLOWIN SMOKE UP HOWER ARSES, People!

Unfortunately, they themselves have deviated
from the original intent of the K-9 Kum Along."

> > It's mishandling.

> You don't get it jenn. Just puttin on the GL is
> INTENTIONALLY INTIMDIATING by DESIGN.

And that is not mishandling? I think it is.

> I've got forty years experience training dogs everybody else
> would kill. Now I'm able to do that from sittin right here, stark
> ravin nekkit. My students are gettin 100% near instant success.

Now, how many times have I read THAT.

> you and your pals like to tell folks my methods are dangerous

I've never said that your methods were dangerous.

Others have.

I think YOU are, I'm afraid you're going to clock yourself
soon. I have also said that your medical advice is dangerous.

I feel it is better to get a vet clearance that a problem
is not medical before trying to train away a behavior problem.
If your dog messes in the house and you try to train away the
behavior, but it turns out to be pancreatitis, you have a dead
dog. I would rather spend the money on a health check first.

> and do not work

I told you when it DID work, and I told you when it didn't.

> and are stolen

I have no proof of that. I have simply been told so. One
of these days I'm going to check it out for myself, but
I do not have the time, nor inclination, at the moment.

> and I'm a con man

Never said that. I've made fun of your doggy-do-right,
because I find it hard to believe that a sound device
solves anything. You have yet to produce any peer-reviewed,
published evidence that shows otherwise.

_____________________

The "PEERS" have ALL BEEN DISCREDITED.


And AFAIK, your "testimonials" could be a result of
a placebo effect. How many have you sold? How many
testimonials do you have? How many did *not* work?

> and a liar, eh jenn?

Yup, you are a liar, the evidence is right above.

You think I've told people certain things about you that I haven't.

> > > > but I've seen them used on dogs where the
> > > > owner did not pay attention to the dog and had
> > > > it on a long leash, and the dog would see something
> > > > and run to the end of the leash, snapping its head
> > > > sideways, causing injury.

> BFD. That's not my concern. My student's dogs don't do that
> kinda stuff.

I bet they DID, before they came to you.

> You blame the people for not paying attention to the equipment
> instead of focusing on training the dog so the dog won't bolt.

No, I blame people for not paying attention to the DOG during
training. With lack of training, ANY collar/harness/halti will
harm a dog. Even the collar that we legally have to put on our
dogs so we can attach the leash. But this topic did not concern
that. It concerned Haltis, and that is what I focused on.

> > It is obvious that I blame the HANDLER for MISHANDLING the dog.

> You blame the handler for not paying attention
> to the dog to PREVENT the dog from bolting

Yes, because people often use these devices as a
*substitute* for training. They should instead be
teaching it not to bolt.

> because you don't know HOWE to train a dog
> not to bolt

Yes, I do.

> unless you're jerking and choking it on a pronged spiked
> pinch choke collar

Um, no. I'm not allowed to use prong collars at PetSmart, Jerry.

Nor do I jerk and choke.

Don't you do any research? If I did any of those things,
I'd be fired. You know all about my experience with the
prong collar, I emailed you about it years ago. So you
also know that I don't use them anymore. Not since my
first contact with you where you taught me to walk Anja
without it.

Go ahead and use this in your posts if you wish.

You will anyway, just like you recently have with
my barking testimonial, so I thought I'd just make
it official.

> like your three stoodges pals in "broken rib."

Who are "the three stooges", and how are they mine?

What was the thread "broken rib"?

I skip a lot of threads Jerry.

> Well your pal susan doesn't have a freakin clue about
> what I'm talking about because she hurts dogs to train them.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And she's not my pal.
I don't know her. She merely came up on a search for "head
halters"

> > If it prevents one single dog injury, I'll be happy.

> NO. You're CONDONING the GL

Nope, I was 1) talking about the Halti, not the GL, and
2) condoning paying attention to your dog and training
him, and not mishandling him with equipment.

> because you do not UNDERSTAND HOWE IT WORKS jenn.

> You're a freakin pet store clerk, not an experienced dog trainer.

How will I EVER gain experience unless I train dogs?

Were you born with 40 years experience? Or did your elves
bring it to you late one night? You've had these methods
for the entire 40 years? Then why did you only put out the
manual within the last few years?

> and you'll never get the experience I've had cause this
> is HOWE I've lived and worked for forty years jenn.

You're right. I won't. Not until I'm 69, anyway. But
by then you'll either be 95 or dead, and you'll still
be ahead of me. You win. You have the most toys. And
I STILL don't believe that you've been training this
exact same way for 40 years.You yourself said that
you used to smack your dogs around.

I'm not doing any more googling tonight to look for it though.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!

And if I am wrong, I will admit it.

> I don't hurt dogs to train them becasue that
> would have got someone DEAD.

A dog someone or a human someone?

> Your backwards selfish logic is what gets dogs DEAD jenn.

How?

> > Didn't point Kim to any articles on "how to use a prong
> > collar correctly", now did I? Nor will I. [Janet]She's
> > got nessa on the prong right now.

And that worries me as I don't like prongs. But Nessa is
not my student. What can I do? Nag her until she killfiles
me?

That's not the way to be heard, Jerry.

> Because you know you're dead wrong and you can't accept
> it because that'll shake your world.

My world is already shakin', baby.

You'll have to give up

> being in control. The trade off is you get 100% total non
> force control doin things my way. You get pain agony and
> death doin things your way.

Tell me Jerry, just what do you think *is* my way?

No ear/testical pinches, no beating with sticks, no prong
collars, or choke collars. I reward dogs, I do not bribe
them. When you were good, didn't momma ever give you ice cream?

I'd get an occassional chocolate chip cookie when I was really
good, and it always came as a bonus. My dogs don't know that
they're getting a treat.

They don't expect it. They do a good job, and once in a
while, they get some CHEDDAR!

> HOWE many dogs are gonna get the chances they are in
> NORMAL HOWESES that nessa and leah and liea and marie
> have given their dogs?

You admit that Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie are not average
dog owners. If their dogs were in JQP's homes, maybe they
would be dead by now. Maybe they would be sent to new homes
again and again. But Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie aren't
going to do that.

> > You'll just take it and twist it anyway.

> EXCUSE ME jenn, your pals call my 100% successful
> students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers.

And you've still twisted it. I don't actually care what
they say about you. I do care what I think about you.

That's all that matters to me.

> And I've got a machine that CURES all animal behavior
> problems and you tell people it's a SCAM because if
> my machine works, and my method works, that means
> you and your pals are outta business.

No, but I make fun of it because, similar to you giving
veterinary advice, I don't want to see people shell out
their hard-earned cash for snake oil. I want scientific
proof, not testimonials. If I went by testimonials I'd
be broke buying every product I saw advertised on tv.

> Dog training isn't gonna be HOWE it is any longer jenn.
> Everything Jerry sez is true and proven and everything
> you believe to be true is a lie...at least about behavior

Dog training is changing every day. Good thing too, because
things *really* sucked when Koehler ran the show. That is
one point I agree with you on totally and completely.

Jenn S

--------------

You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again:


"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic,
> as well as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help.

Jerry.

----------------------------

Here's Disciple Paulie:

From: Paul B (pand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST

I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.

I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.

Remember too that we aren't trying to scare the
bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's train
of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.

Sometimes you won't even see a reaction but the dog
will have been distracted fleetingly. (Recently one
of my dogs started habitually licking my feet while
I was watching TV, I clicked my fingers on her left
side and told her "good girl" even though she only
paused her licking briefly, next I clicked over her
right side and praised, by about the 4th repeat she
suddenly stopped, I repeated this over a few nights
and now she doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions
she absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).

Timing is important too, learn to anticipate when
the dog isthinking about doing the "dirty deed"
and distract and praise then, with any luck the
dog will try again almost immediately so distract
and praise again, if the timing is correct after
about the 4th rep the dog will stop.

I could go on but this post is long enough already,
remember too that the dog isn't being a "bad dog",
it's behaviour is simply inappropriate for the
circumstances.

Happy training, :-)

Paul

-----------------------------

A DIFFERENT Jen wrote:

Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7zenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy

Jen wrote:

> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
> Jen

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3AD21A3D Free
download, nothing sold, no mailing list, no distribution
of your name. Free support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von

--------------

From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

Subject: Jerry, your surrogate toy technique
From: Jenn
Date: Wed, Jul 24 2002 12:50 am
Email: "Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca>

I've told people it worked for me in the past.
There. I'm preparing to be killfiled en masse.

Got a question. I'm going to use it to help give my dogs
freedom of the house while I'm gone instead of blocking
them in the kitchen, which I've been doing since I brought
Frodo home last year.

Frodo greets me at the door with a toy in his mouth. I
don't mind this and have no intention of stopping it.

So, what do I do when I come in if he has *the* toy in his mouth?

Simply take it away to say hi to it first? If I can't
talk to Frodo, I can't tell him to "drop it". He always
gives things up when I reach for them anyway, but if I'm
reaching for the toy from him, isn't that going to cause
a problem?

--
Jenn S


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Jerry] LONG!Re: occasional post-this
newsgroup (rest of header snipped) [Jerry] [1/2]

"Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Tit%8.40428$f05.2095331@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...

> "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:xqi%8.1336$Og3.33988@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com..>
> > HOWEDY jenn,
>
> Hello.
>
> > Ask Marilyn.
>
> I don't have to ask her. She and I have talked about
> it in the past via email. I get along very well with
> Marilyn. I really enjoyed her first book and want to
> get the second installment.
>
> > That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE,
> > jenn, cause she's got a lack of moral integrity,

> I think Marilyn's got the right attitude. She has been
> back in the group lately, and been very helpful in a
> nice way.

> You attract more flies with sugar, Jerry.

> > Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip text

> It's common courtesy. That's just the way I am ;)

> > What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post
> > here no moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him,

> He was a bit of a jerk. Even if he didn't use
> your methods he would have been ridiculed.

Nevyn, "A BIT OF A JERK", writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had
with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out
-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions
within a matter of weeks!

AND My friends have seen the success and
have asked me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today
and she was being an angel after like an hour of working
with her!

It is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way?

NO they are average joes off the street who
think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

"Nevyn" <greatd> wrote in message

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment
I dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull
coloured dogs, but after I had removed the fear
and anxiety their hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

------------------------------------

From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
Date: 2002-04-10 15:25:10 PST

I am afraid Jerry is not the one with the
psychiatric problems, Sonofabitch.

I have been talking with him for over a month and been working
with my dogs on his method and he is the most sane and logical
man I have ever known. He is gentle and has a deep spiritual
connection with nature; for this is the way he can master it.

You hurt nature, controlling it through terror. Biting your dogs
ears to leash train them? Jesus, I could do that with any dog
without harming them in 30minutes.

You are pyschiatrically ill, I am afraid. That is a problem caused
by something horrid in your childhood. Don't deny it. You deny it
because you don't want to believe it. You have no other
reason to live; therefore use Jerry as an excuse. A Vendetta.

I have been on medication and sought psychiatric help myself; does
that make me a liar?
--
Thanks,
Nevyn


=================



From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park

d*.@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?

I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.

It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.

It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.

It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.

Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.

I wish all the best to you and your dog.

Lucy

-------------------


H*@HotMail.Com
2007-04-06 18:10:38 EST
HOWEDY cujo desockpuppet you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASE,

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo@insurgent.org> wrote in message
news:ev5bi3$j6j$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote in
> news:Xns990A4BCA2EEF4WoodchuckBill@66.250.146.159:
>
>> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_
Research_Laboratory
>> wrote in news:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> HOWEDY People,
>>>
>>> If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>>> COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>>> thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL
>>> CASES HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE
>>> abHOWET IT:
>>>
>>> HOWEDY digitydew aka sd,
>>>
>>> "digitydew" <ladysbytes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
>>> 1174920935.484104.15400@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Well, I hasten to add that he turned out pretty well,
>>>> in spit of his poor start in life.
>>>
>>> I take it THAT AIN'T the dog you GOT RID OF
>>> on accHOWENTA you COULDN'T TRAIN IT:
>>> "We have felt nothing but relief now that she is gone."?
>>>
>>> "Socialization" is DONE by the time the pup leaves his litterbox:
>>>
>>> From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: Critical Socialization
>>>
>>>> "LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
>>>> more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
>>>> class report that the dog didn't learn anything and that
>>>> the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
>>>
>>> Leah:
>>>
>>>> That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> if they don't continue to use what they learned after
>>>> class, of course the dogs are going to regress.
>>>
>>> "Of course?" You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy's
>>> ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
>>> the time with no repetitions and no regression.
>>>
>>> Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
>>> learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
>>> DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated earlier.
>>>
>>> If it were real learning then the dogs
>>> wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?
>>>
>>> Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the
>>> dog run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
>>> and never forgot it.
>>>
>>> Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
>>> "Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
>>> or forgotten the lesson.
>>>
>>> He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
>>> learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
>>> right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
>>> not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
>>> if he really does still remember it . . .
>>>
>>> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
>>> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
>>>
>>> But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
>>> place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
>>> regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.
>>>
>>> That's only natural, right? Wrong.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
>>> another model of learning -- which comes naturally to all
>>> animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or the
>>> expectation that the learning will regress.
>>> Just a thought.

>> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
>> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.
>
>> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)
>>
>> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>
>>
>> Any seconds?
>
> Long overdue. Seconded.
>
> I see Puppyfucker already got the Unabomber.

INDEEDY! AND the Full Canvass Jacket AND the
VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN "WEIRD SCIENCE"
AWARD for HIS Award Winning Posts!

HOWEver, JUST DON'T QUOTE them or you'll be KILLFIELD
by the MENTAL PATIENTS who HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE
CHOKE SHOCK MUTILATE an MURDER innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LIE abHOWET it.







From: ThePuppyFae...@AniMail.Net
Date: 20 Oct 2005 18:03:30 -0700
Subject: Award Winning Posts! Re: HOWE To Read The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's CONfHOWENDING Posts

WINNERS! Usenet Kook Awards, April 2005

VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN "WEIRD SCIENCE" AWARD


The winner is... JERRY HOWE!


Jerry "Puppy Wizard" Howe . . 24
neither of the above . . . . 13
ring_theory . . . . . . . . . 10


Congratulations, Puppy Wizard! I don't own a dog,
so perhaps you'll be willing to supply one when
I order your amazing dog-training machine?


----------------
Thank YOU WON an ALL!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't SELL dogs.
HOWEver, on occasion HE may have a fine dog
lookin for a fine HOWES and when the time
comes will certainly consider your request.


Yours,


Jerry HOWE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >


NHOWE on to the NEXT AWARDS!:


Full Canvas Jacket
Noteworthy Unhinged Lunatic Rants


# 15 May 2001, Jerry Howe: "Fear Of Thunder & Pronged
Choke Collars = Fasten Your Seat Belts, And Prepare
To Take A Quantum Leap Into Awareness, LIKE IT OR NOT"


From: "Jerry Howe" <j...@cfl.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:25:54 GMT
Subject: And the prestigious Full Canvas Jacket award goes to.... Me!
Thank you, I'm Honored. And I'm BULLETPROOF j,-)


Thank you, People. I'm honored. I think you've chosen
one of my most meaningful posts.


Coincidentally, I was just talking with the Mrs. about the ideas
expressed in the message below, before we'd found out I'd been
humbled by this majestic achievement.


Our discussion was about rewards. The question I proposed
was "do dogs understand the concept of bonanzas or jackpots
or bonus rewards, as we recently heard our "expert" field
dog trainers discuss?


I think it was susan fraser or sionnach or amy dahl or leah
giving us some BS about giving the dogs an extra bonus reward
for completing a couple of perfect commands.


Would we compare a dogs' perception of the value of one grain
of kibble Vs a cup of kibble and/or a random bonus reward for
excellent work, to our sense of satisfaction comparing the value of a
windfall like a door prize Vs the achievement of
answering the $64,000.00 Question (an old T.V. Quiz show like
Jeapordy)?


My Mrs. took this to it's next logical step, that dogs only
know good.


I asked her HOWE does she know that? "Easy, it says so in
the Lotus Sutra. Good is good, we don't need to be concerned
with degrees."



> Unhinged Lunatic Rant of the Week


So, if you'd be so kind as to consider her for the next award,
I'd be singularly doubly quadrupled blessed. That's about HOWE
dogs learn once we teach them to use those sections of their
brain that is responsible for rationalization, thinking, and
solving problems.

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. Nam
Myoho Renge Kyo. Thank you. j,~)


----------
"Fear Of Thunder & Pronged Choke Collars = Fasten Your
Seat Belts, And Prepare To Take A Quantum Leap Into
Awareness, LIKE IT OR NOT" Posted by Jerry Howe to the
newsgroup rec.pets.dogs.behavior 15 May, 2001


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:42:01 GMT
Subject: Full Canvas Jacket Award "Fear Of Thunder & Pronged Choke
Collars"


Hello spamh8r,



"spamh8r" <spam...@nospam.com> wrote in message


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> Just happened last month, too!


Thanks man, I'm freaking bulletproof, don'tcha thaink???


> Wonder if he got his medal or trophy yet... ;-)


When my feet hit the ground I'll let you know and you kan come
pin it on me. That'll be such an honor, eh? I don't take these
awards lightly. Acknowledgements like this are treasures to be
cherished always. The prestigious Full Canvas Jacket Award is
a stellar achievement immortalizing me yet again, in
cyberspace.


> http://www.ratbags.com/ranters/howe010515.htm


Check it out. That's one of my best posts. I hope you read it,
there's some profound info there for ya, if you're able to
understand it.

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 19:12:09 GMT


Subject: Re: [SPANK] Spankademy Awards 2004


HOWEDY People!



>WwvwW <W...@wwvwww.www wrote in <40A8A472.D2EAE...@v.v.wwWW
> It is with with tremendous honour and pleasure
> that we at the Slap Special Kook Award Consortium


Oh? You mean, as in CHIN CHUCK?

There's some debate as to whether a CHIN
CHUCK is a slap or not. professora gingold
sez "chin chuck absolutely doesn't mean slap."
captain haggerty believes a chin chuck is a
S-HOWNED DISTRACTION:


captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."



> present........ The first annual
> Spankademy Awards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard is aghast!


><MAJOR APPLAUSE AND SCREAMING


INDEEDY! The Amazing Puppy Wizard KNEW right
from the git go from just readin the subject
header that this prestigiHOWES award was gonna
bless HONOURABLE MENTION upon The Amazing Puppy
Wizard!


> You are witnessing a truly historical
> moment in Usenet history.


INDEED!

As the prHOWEdest holder of the covetted
Full Canvass Jacket Award for "Fear Of
Thunder and Pronged Spiked Pinch Choke
Collars," no dHOWET you're award The
Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't approve
of spankin...



> Before you, we have half a dozen kooks,


The dog groups have DOZENS of certified
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and
active long term incurable mental cases,
all prestigiHOWESLY archived forever on
Google.com


> all of whom consider themselves to be the
> sole centre of the Usenetverse.


That's impossible. There's NO room at the top.


> But these wild and crazy kooks have been
> spanked up to the point of requiring special
> recognition.


INDEED. Google is your FRIEND.


> Ladiez and Germz, without further hesitation,
> here are the Spanked Six of the year. At the
> end of this message will be a simple ballot for
> you to indicate which one of these creatures
> deserves the official grand prize.


Well, your own judiciHOWES effort to compile
the necessary DATA has unequivacably PROVEN
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the ONLY contender.


> Voting will occur over the period of 7
> days. Sox count, if you are creative enough.


You mean sock puppets? The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
friends on r.p.d. will flood the ballots in favor
of their own Amazing Puppy Wizard. HE'S a shoe-in.


>Let the games begin!


INDEED!


><PAUSE TO WACK MY WANK, PISS A WHIZ, AND DROP A TURD


Please wash your hands before returning to work.
"Cleanlieness is next to G-dlieness."


>1) - SLAPPEE NUMBER ONE: Steve Leyland


Sorry. These guys are AMATURES compared
to The Amazing Puppy Wizard. Let's cut to the
chase, shall we?

<snip>



>5) - SLAPPEE NUMBER FIVE: Jerry Howe
> A. K. A. The Puppy Wizard


The Amazing Puppy Wizard feels slighted at
takin fifth place on the list, although you've
done due dilligence in your research.


>http://doggydoright.com
>http://tinyurl.com/3elg7
>http://tinyurl.com/2rjgt
> This is one of the kookiest ever!


INDEED. As attested to by The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
CONSISTENTLY 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
REPORTS RIGHT HERE.


> WHERE DO I BEGIN?????!!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED nearly every
dog trainer and university trained behaviorist in the
Whole Wild World.


> Jerry Howe has been harassing visitors


You mean, The Amazing Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED
EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog
Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who HURT and MURDER dogs
and LIE abHOWET it


> to the dog groups for a decade.


Five years, actually. Must seem like ETERNITY
HOWEver, to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES.


> He is a professional dog trainer,


The BEST in the Whole Wild World.


> and he insists that nobody is capable of
> properly training a dog unless they follow
> the instructions in his free .PDF dog training
> manual, letter for letter.


PRECISELY. Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK. "Luck
is for SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.


> This self-authored dog training manual is
>available as free download from Jerry's website:
>http://DoggyDoRight.com


Thank you!


> On this site, you can also use Paypal to purchase
> an invention made by Jerry the mad scientist, the
> "Doggy Do Right". Thisunit is a black box that emits
> sounds that only a dog can hear. According to Jerry,
> this invention of his cures all canine behavioural
> problems.


INDEEDY!

Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) Machine
CURES ALL behavior problems AUTOMAGICKALLY
by using PRAISE IN ADVANCE as taught in your
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.



> Believe it or not, he actually profits from this.


DDR is fixin to make The Amazing Puppy
Wizard a multimillionaire.


> He probably owns the longest signature we
> have ever seen, topping even that of Steve
> Leyland's.


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has no equal.


> Jerry also likes to hang out in alt. support. grief.
> pet-loss and blame the mourning dog owners for the
> recent death of their dog, due to improper care, diet
> and training.


INDEED. FACT.


>http://tinyurl.com/2j55u


You've done a REMARKABLE job of RESEARCHING your subjet!


> Jerry finds himself slapped due to lack of flexibility.


Well, THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wiard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students GET
100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL and CURE ALL behavior
problems NEARLY INSTANTLY all over the Whole Wild World,
from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid... all
EXXXCEPT for these goddamned paper slippers.

GAWD I HATE THEM.


Don't you?



> He is a bit too dog obsessed [if you know
> what I'm sayin'].


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has over forty years
specializing in temperament and behavior problems
and protection trainin in mostly giant breed working
dogs.

In the problem animal behavior business FAILURE MEANS DEATH.



> 6) - SLAPPEE NUMBER SIX: Dweezil Dwarftosser
> http://tinyurl.com/2f7do
> Last, but not least, Dweezil gets his culo spanked
> due to bringing an unprecedented level of boredom
> to Usenet. [YAWN]


Well then, CASE CLOSED.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard walks with the covetted
Spankademy Award 2004 and has HIS sights set on
2005 and will begin campaigning YESTERDAY, for
the nomination.



> wont waste any more bandwidth on him.


INDEED.


> Use your own judgement.


A WIZE idea.


> And now... here is your opportunity to cast your vote.
> The ballots will be tallied in exactly one week.
><BALLOT
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER ONE: Steve Leyland
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER TWO: Dr. Flonkenstein
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER THREE: Biff Mullins
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER FOUR: Lionel Lauer
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER FIVE: Jerry Howe
> A. K. A. The Puppy Wizard

>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER SIX: Dweezil Dwarftosser
></BALLOT
>Do reply and cast your [SPANK]
>No contest.
>Biff!
>[*] - SLAPPEE NUMBER THREE: 3iff //ullins



Naah, he don't stand a chance in heel and neither do you:



HOWEDY woodchuck bill you pathetic malignant
miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life long incurable
MENTAL CASE,

On Apr 6, 3:16 am, Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote:
> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
>> innews:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> > HOWEDY People,
>
>> > If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>> > COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>> > thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
>> > HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:

> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.

> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)

> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>

> Any seconds?

> --
> Bill

--------------

For SHORE, billy!

You'll find LOTS of like minded pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward ignorameHOWESES like
yourself RIGHT HERE!

HOWEver, to keep them *HAPPY* you gotta SNIP TEST
and TRIM HEADERS otherWIZE you'll be KILLFILED by
your fellow DOG LOVER MENTAL PATIENTS, billy!:

HOWEDY Soup,

Seems jenn's post didn't show up on my news reader. Here's
my reply to the post you're responding to. Thanks for the
top posting advice, we wouldn't want to rock the boat:

"Shifter of Paradigms" <pshi...@changethemuzzle.com> wrote
in message news:3D3D10DD.D7D94181@changethemuzzle.com...

> Howedy Jenn,
> Please don't top post. Some people in Europe get charged
> extra for top posted material.
> Thank you for cooperating.

Thank you for not buckling under the overwhelming wealth
of viciousness and stupidity from our alleged dog lovers.

Here's my reply to jenn:

HOWEDY jenn,

> Jerry] Re: occasional post-this newsgroup (rest of header
> snipped) [Jerry]

> Date: 2002-07-23 01:44:43 PST
> Note: the following post is a long response to Jerry Howe.

Imagine?

> This is to prevent people who don't care from having to read it.

Excuse me jenn, but that's not quite correct. Those "people"
who "don't care to read it" read Jerry's posts first. They're
worried about everyone else reading Jerry's posts cause
they're afraid people will GET WISE to their conspiracy
to defend koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch
choke collar training...

> Sorry if that pisses you off Jerry,

Your pals who call for killfiling Jerry are not concerned
with JERRY, they're concerned with ANY non violent trainer
who's ever posted here because they cannot justify HURTING
and KILLING dogs when there's few trainers like Jerry and
Soup and Marilyn hangin out here.

That's HOWE COME your professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its face for
5 seconds" dermer KILLFILED MARILYN for reporting an INSTANT
CURE for her destructive separation anxiety students of hers.

Marilyn's got thirty years experience training dogs and
is a student of Jerry's. You got any idea HOWE COME
our professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM would want to
KILLFILE and experienced trainer who's discovered
an INSTANT CURE for destructive separation anxiety,
jenn?

Ask Marilyn. She's never been RUDE to nobody here,
jenn. The fact is, your pals are conspirators, liars,
and dog abusers. Ask Marilyn, she'd tell you if she
wasn't afraid of OFFENDING nobody.

That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE, jenn,
cause she's got a lack of moral integrity, as I see it
in not being FORTHRIGHT about these issues so stupid
neophyte nitwits like you don't get sucked in and deceived
by our EXPERIENCED LYING DOG ABUSING COWARD THUG CONSPIRATORS.

> but you're pissed off anyway,

NOT AT YOU, jenn. I'm pissed off at Marilyn for not wanting
to upset the apple cart and LYING BY OMISSION... as to what's
goin down here on our forum.

> on so I'm really not really affecting you.

Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip
text and put NINNYBOY in the subject header so folks
who've been DECEIVED as you have won't accidentally
find out who's been LYING to them, jenn. Ask Marilyn
if you don't believe me. Go ahead...

>"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:Pz5%8.11440$LS3.2136862@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
>> Annoys? Or do you mean EMBARRASSES?
> Um, nope. If it embarrassed, I would not be responding.

We'll see. I'll go through your objections and you'll see
what I'm tellin you is the truth and you'll have NO CHOICE
but to KILLFILE JERRY because THAT IS The EPITOME
of The SYNDROME.

>> > > > Haltis and the like, as with any collar, halter,
>> > > > harness and leash, can be used improperly and is
>> > > > therefore harmful to the dog.

I see. You think discussing the GL is an acceptable subterfuge
for the real issues that perhaps you are not even aware of because
that too, IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME.

This "flame war" is NOT about Jerry jenn. Jerry is the only trainer
besides Soup who is able to withstand the constant lies abuse
email and telephone harassment and personal attacks over
teaching people to handle and train dogs WITHOUT HURTING
them. Ask marilyn, jenn. Once marilyn levels with you and your
little CHUMP CHUMS, then PERHAPS I'll reconsider entertaining
her friendship, but with a much closer eye on her INTEGRITY.

>> > > NO. That's a lie.

>> > No, it is not.

I just told you it is and I offered PROOF.

>> I just told you it is.

> We could "s'not, so" about that all night, Jerry.

NO YOU CAN'T, cause you'll KILLFILE JERRY when you
cannot answer the HARD questions, jenn. Ask professor
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer HOWE he reconciles his
scruff shake with allelomimetic behavior?

That's HOWE COME he MUST killfile Jerry and all his students.

>> > With all your talk about mishandling, how can you
>> > say that misuse of "equipment" is a lie?

The "equipment" is INTENDED BY DESIGN to INFLICT PAIN
FEAR and FORCE jenn. That GL is neither gentle nor a leader,
it's a vicious neck twister device and the INSTRUCTIONS for
their "certified" fitters is INTENDED TO BREAK the dog's
REFLEXIVE RESPONSE to being FORCES TO SUBMIT, jenn.

That's what causes hyperactivity and aggression and self
mutilation, jenn. That's HOWE COME you can't get away
punishing and choking and shocking dogs jenn, cause behaviors
are all CONNECTED, and when we REPRESS one behavior that
behavior doesn't go away as if by MAGICK as they do when
I extinguish the behavior by interrupting the thought process.

That REPRESSION causes ANXIETY to go deep within, where it
attacks the parasympathetic nervous and endocrine systems
and GETS DOGS DEAD, jenn.

IT'S CALLED The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >

Ask marilyn. She PROBABLY understands that well enough now
after having thirty sumpthin years experience professionally
training dogs and now having three years of using my methods.

Look at HOWE my students are treated here when they report
near INSTANT CURES for their dog's behavior problems, they're
called LIARS and FORGERIES by myself and PAID SHILLS FOR
JERRY and ANIMAL FUCKERS, jenn.

What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post here no
moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him, so like marilyn,
he can go fry his ass as far as Jerry's concerned. Too bad,
cause Nevyn was fixin to become a professional trainer, and
I was just about to give him my lesson plan which he's gonna
need bye and bye, and he won't be gettin it unless he asks
on our forum so you and your pals can ridicule him and call
him a liar someMOORE as they do me and Soup.

>> Because the INSTRUCTIONS for fitting the GL are INTENDED
>> to TRIGGER the opposition reflex and OVERRIDE IT with
>> PAIN FEAR and FORCE jenn....I did a report on the manufacture's
>> instructions.

> Yes, I know this. It inspired me to look into how the GL is
> fitted as used myself, and I agree with you on this.

Imagine? And that wasn't enough to make you KILLFILE Jerry?

That gravely concerns me, jenn. If you don't get angry and take
this PERSONALLY and KILLFILE Jerry cause you can't DISCUSS
the issues, that'd disprove The SYNDROME and I'm outta gas, jenn.

> Things I have said about the GL in the past are not things
> I believe anymore.

IMAGINE? And HOWE do you figure all your pals out there believing
they're being KIND to their dogs as they intimidate them by twisting
their neck under their foreleg?

> The GL, IMO, is not the non-force method it claims to be.

EXACTLY, jenn. It was designed by an NADOI trainer and
a veterinary behaviorist. These guys DESIGNED the GL
with the INTENT of triggering and overriding positive
thigmotaxis. You think their DESCRIPTION of their product
and HOWE it works is HONEST FAIR and ACCURATE, jenn?

What's it called up in Canada when we got experts LYING
about their FRAUDULENT PRODUCTS they sell, jenn?

> But I was talking about the Halti.

The Halti is significantly different, but the REASON the halti
has been designed as it is, is for 2 reasons. FIRST, the
halti guy needed to outstep the PATENT Dr. Alice DeGroote
obtained for her K-9 Kum-A-Long, and 2ndly, he wanted to
be able to apply MOORE FORCE to the dog than the original
K-9 Kum-A-Long would afford, because THAT is the NATURE
of this beast in the dog training industry.

> In your report you said that the Halti was a knock-off of the
> K-9 Kumalong, and the design is exactly the same (I checked).

Not exactly or they'd have that little issue of the patent...

> You praised the K9 Kumalong in your report, Jerry. You do
> state that they have deviated from the original intent, but if
> one sticks with the original intent, is it not a good thing?

Yes jenn. The Halti doesn't automatically trigger the opposition
reflex and intimidate the dog.

> If they do deviate from the original intent as you
> state, then is that not handler abuse?

No, that'd be the instructions, which is HOWE COME they
beefed the halter up so it's able to withstand FORCE.

> Isn't "not paying attention to a dog during training", mishandling?

The PROBLEM is the INTENT. As was clear with "broken rib,"
you'll see three incompetent traditionally trained handlers
trying to force control and inhibit their dogs lunging by paying
attention and HURTING their dogs in advance of the lunge.
That only represses the lunging so long as the handler is
ready to THREATEN the dog.

You can't have it both ways, jenn. You cannot have a
TRUSTWORTHY well trained well behaved dog and
be constantly prepared to HURT IT when his behaviors
SCARE YOU, jenn. Our pal carol levie went to SEE our
expert graduate of captain haggartey's lesson sales
school, and he sent her to his COMPETITOR so she
wouldn't need to come back here and admit that booby
could ONLY teach her to jerk and choke her dog on
a pronged spiked pinch choke collar to MAKE IT FRIENDLY,
and her dog came outta his competitors class TURNING ON
HER jenn. Figger it out, huh?

> Did you forget? Let me quote, just to remind you where
> I am getting this from: From the Halti web site: "Properly
> fitted and introduced, head halters can prevent pulling
> and shape more desirable behaviors. Using a head halter is
> a new experience for most dog handlers.
>
> Unlike the snap of a choke-chain, the head halter is most
> effective when used gently and subtly. Strength is not a
> factor, making It is highly recommended that your dog be
> fitted and you be trained in proper usage by a professional
> trainer.

> The halter is particularly appropriate for restraining and
> retraining dogs with aggression problems, especially dogs
> who lunge at people or other dogs. When used properly in
> conjunction with positive reinforcers such as treats, alternate
> behaviors (such as "look at me") become more rewarding than
> acting out towards other dogs or people."
>
> (the above paragraph is where they deviate from
> the original intent, right?-js)

===========

That's the bottom line, People. The objective of the halter
is not to FORCE control, but to gently redirect the dog, not
"GUIDE" him by force as most of our dog lovers PREFER to do.

IOW, they're BLOWIN SMOKE UP HOWER ARSES, People!

Unfortunately, they themselves have deviated
from the original intent of the K-9 Kum Along."

> > It's mishandling.

> You don't get it jenn. Just puttin on the GL is
> INTENTIONALLY INTIMDIATING by DESIGN.

And that is not mishandling? I think it is.

> I've got forty years experience training dogs everybody else
> would kill. Now I'm able to do that from sittin right here, stark
> ravin nekkit. My students are gettin 100% near instant success.

Now, how many times have I read THAT.

> you and your pals like to tell folks my methods are dangerous

I've never said that your methods were dangerous.

Others have.

I think YOU are, I'm afraid you're going to clock yourself
soon. I have also said that your medical advice is dangerous.

I feel it is better to get a vet clearance that a problem
is not medical before trying to train away a behavior problem.
If your dog messes in the house and you try to train away the
behavior, but it turns out to be pancreatitis, you have a dead
dog. I would rather spend the money on a health check first.

> and do not work

I told you when it DID work, and I told you when it didn't.

> and are stolen

I have no proof of that. I have simply been told so. One
of these days I'm going to check it out for myself, but
I do not have the time, nor inclination, at the moment.

> and I'm a con man

Never said that. I've made fun of your doggy-do-right,
because I find it hard to believe that a sound device
solves anything. You have yet to produce any peer-reviewed,
published evidence that shows otherwise.

_____________________

The "PEERS" have ALL BEEN DISCREDITED.


And AFAIK, your "testimonials" could be a result of
a placebo effect. How many have you sold? How many
testimonials do you have? How many did *not* work?

> and a liar, eh jenn?

Yup, you are a liar, the evidence is right above.

You think I've told people certain things about you that I haven't.

> > > > but I've seen them used on dogs where the
> > > > owner did not pay attention to the dog and had
> > > > it on a long leash, and the dog would see something
> > > > and run to the end of the leash, snapping its head
> > > > sideways, causing injury.

> BFD. That's not my concern. My student's dogs don't do that
> kinda stuff.

I bet they DID, before they came to you.

> You blame the people for not paying attention to the equipment
> instead of focusing on training the dog so the dog won't bolt.

No, I blame people for not paying attention to the DOG during
training. With lack of training, ANY collar/harness/halti will
harm a dog. Even the collar that we legally have to put on our
dogs so we can attach the leash. But this topic did not concern
that. It concerned Haltis, and that is what I focused on.

> > It is obvious that I blame the HANDLER for MISHANDLING the dog.

> You blame the handler for not paying attention
> to the dog to PREVENT the dog from bolting

Yes, because people often use these devices as a
*substitute* for training. They should instead be
teaching it not to bolt.

> because you don't know HOWE to train a dog
> not to bolt

Yes, I do.

> unless you're jerking and choking it on a pronged spiked
> pinch choke collar

Um, no. I'm not allowed to use prong collars at PetSmart, Jerry.

Nor do I jerk and choke.

Don't you do any research? If I did any of those things,
I'd be fired. You know all about my experience with the
prong collar, I emailed you about it years ago. So you
also know that I don't use them anymore. Not since my
first contact with you where you taught me to walk Anja
without it.

Go ahead and use this in your posts if you wish.

You will anyway, just like you recently have with
my barking testimonial, so I thought I'd just make
it official.

> like your three stoodges pals in "broken rib."

Who are "the three stooges", and how are they mine?

What was the thread "broken rib"?

I skip a lot of threads Jerry.

> Well your pal susan doesn't have a freakin clue about
> what I'm talking about because she hurts dogs to train them.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And she's not my pal.
I don't know her. She merely came up on a search for "head
halters"

> > If it prevents one single dog injury, I'll be happy.

> NO. You're CONDONING the GL

Nope, I was 1) talking about the Halti, not the GL, and
2) condoning paying attention to your dog and training
him, and not mishandling him with equipment.

> because you do not UNDERSTAND HOWE IT WORKS jenn.

> You're a freakin pet store clerk, not an experienced dog trainer.

How will I EVER gain experience unless I train dogs?

Were you born with 40 years experience? Or did your elves
bring it to you late one night? You've had these methods
for the entire 40 years? Then why did you only put out the
manual within the last few years?

> and you'll never get the experience I've had cause this
> is HOWE I've lived and worked for forty years jenn.

You're right. I won't. Not until I'm 69, anyway. But
by then you'll either be 95 or dead, and you'll still
be ahead of me. You win. You have the most toys. And
I STILL don't believe that you've been training this
exact same way for 40 years.You yourself said that
you used to smack your dogs around.

I'm not doing any more googling tonight to look for it though.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!

And if I am wrong, I will admit it.

> I don't hurt dogs to train them becasue that
> would have got someone DEAD.

A dog someone or a human someone?

> Your backwards selfish logic is what gets dogs DEAD jenn.

How?

> > Didn't point Kim to any articles on "how to use a prong
> > collar correctly", now did I? Nor will I. [Janet]She's
> > got nessa on the prong right now.

And that worries me as I don't like prongs. But Nessa is
not my student. What can I do? Nag her until she killfiles
me?

That's not the way to be heard, Jerry.

> Because you know you're dead wrong and you can't accept
> it because that'll shake your world.

My world is already shakin', baby.

You'll have to give up

> being in control. The trade off is you get 100% total non
> force control doin things my way. You get pain agony and
> death doin things your way.

Tell me Jerry, just what do you think *is* my way?

No ear/testical pinches, no beating with sticks, no prong
collars, or choke collars. I reward dogs, I do not bribe
them. When you were good, didn't momma ever give you ice cream?

I'd get an occassional chocolate chip cookie when I was really
good, and it always came as a bonus. My dogs don't know that
they're getting a treat.

They don't expect it. They do a good job, and once in a
while, they get some CHEDDAR!

> HOWE many dogs are gonna get the chances they are in
> NORMAL HOWESES that nessa and leah and liea and marie
> have given their dogs?

You admit that Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie are not average
dog owners. If their dogs were in JQP's homes, maybe they
would be dead by now. Maybe they would be sent to new homes
again and again. But Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie aren't
going to do that.

> > You'll just take it and twist it anyway.

> EXCUSE ME jenn, your pals call my 100% successful
> students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers.

And you've still twisted it. I don't actually care what
they say about you. I do care what I think about you.

That's all that matters to me.

> And I've got a machine that CURES all animal behavior
> problems and you tell people it's a SCAM because if
> my machine works, and my method works, that means
> you and your pals are outta business.

No, but I make fun of it because, similar to you giving
veterinary advice, I don't want to see people shell out
their hard-earned cash for snake oil. I want scientific
proof, not testimonials. If I went by testimonials I'd
be broke buying every product I saw advertised on tv.

> Dog training isn't gonna be HOWE it is any longer jenn.
> Everything Jerry sez is true and proven and everything
> you believe to be true is a lie...at least about behavior

Dog training is changing every day. Good thing too, because
things *really* sucked when Koehler ran the show. That is
one point I agree with you on totally and completely.

Jenn S

--------------

You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again:


"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic,
> as well as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help.

Jerry.

----------------------------

Here's Disciple Paulie:

From: Paul B (pand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST

I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.

I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.

Remember too that we aren't trying to scare the
bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's train
of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.

Sometimes you won't even see a reaction but the dog
will have been distracted fleetingly. (Recently one
of my dogs started habitually licking my feet while
I was watching TV, I clicked my fingers on her left
side and told her "good girl" even though she only
paused her licking briefly, next I clicked over her
right side and praised, by about the 4th repeat she
suddenly stopped, I repeated this over a few nights
and now she doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions
she absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).

Timing is important too, learn to anticipate when
the dog isthinking about doing the "dirty deed"
and distract and praise then, with any luck the
dog will try again almost immediately so distract
and praise again, if the timing is correct after
about the 4th rep the dog will stop.

I could go on but this post is long enough already,
remember too that the dog isn't being a "bad dog",
it's behaviour is simply inappropriate for the
circumstances.

Happy training, :-)

Paul

-----------------------------

A DIFFERENT Jen wrote:

Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7zenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy

Jen wrote:

> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
> Jen

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3AD21A3D Free
download, nothing sold, no mailing list, no distribution
of your name. Free support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von

--------------

From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

Subject: Jerry, your surrogate toy technique
From: Jenn
Date: Wed, Jul 24 2002 12:50 am
Email: "Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca>

I've told people it worked for me in the past.
There. I'm preparing to be killfiled en masse.

Got a question. I'm going to use it to help give my dogs
freedom of the house while I'm gone instead of blocking
them in the kitchen, which I've been doing since I brought
Frodo home last year.

Frodo greets me at the door with a toy in his mouth. I
don't mind this and have no intention of stopping it.

So, what do I do when I come in if he has *the* toy in his mouth?

Simply take it away to say hi to it first? If I can't
talk to Frodo, I can't tell him to "drop it". He always
gives things up when I reach for them anyway, but if I'm
reaching for the toy from him, isn't that going to cause
a problem?

--
Jenn S


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Jerry] LONG!Re: occasional post-this
newsgroup (rest of header snipped) [Jerry] [1/2]

"Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Tit%8.40428$f05.2095331@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...

> "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:xqi%8.1336$Og3.33988@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com..>
> > HOWEDY jenn,
>
> Hello.
>
> > Ask Marilyn.
>
> I don't have to ask her. She and I have talked about
> it in the past via email. I get along very well with
> Marilyn. I really enjoyed her first book and want to
> get the second installment.
>
> > That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE,
> > jenn, cause she's got a lack of moral integrity,

> I think Marilyn's got the right attitude. She has been
> back in the group lately, and been very helpful in a
> nice way.

> You attract more flies with sugar, Jerry.

> > Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip text

> It's common courtesy. That's just the way I am ;)

> > What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post
> > here no moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him,

> He was a bit of a jerk. Even if he didn't use
> your methods he would have been ridiculed.

Nevyn, "A BIT OF A JERK", writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had
with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out
-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions
within a matter of weeks!

AND My friends have seen the success and
have asked me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today
and she was being an angel after like an hour of working
with her!

It is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way?

NO they are average joes off the street who
think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

"Nevyn" <greatd> wrote in message

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment
I dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull
coloured dogs, but after I had removed the fear
and anxiety their hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

------------------------------------

From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
Date: 2002-04-10 15:25:10 PST

I am afraid Jerry is not the one with the
psychiatric problems, Sonofabitch.

I have been talking with him for over a month and been working
with my dogs on his method and he is the most sane and logical
man I have ever known. He is gentle and has a deep spiritual
connection with nature; for this is the way he can master it.

You hurt nature, controlling it through terror. Biting your dogs
ears to leash train them? Jesus, I could do that with any dog
without harming them in 30minutes.

You are pyschiatrically ill, I am afraid. That is a problem caused
by something horrid in your childhood. Don't deny it. You deny it
because you don't want to believe it. You have no other
reason to live; therefore use Jerry as an excuse. A Vendetta.

I have been on medication and sought psychiatric help myself; does
that make me a liar?
--
Thanks,
Nevyn


=================



From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park

d*.@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?

I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.

It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.

It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.

It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.

Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.

I wish all the best to you and your dog.

Lucy

-------------------


H*@HotMail.Com
2007-04-06 18:14:00 EST
HOWEDY cujo desockpuppet you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASE,

"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo@insurgent.org> wrote in message
news:ev5bi3$j6j$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote in
> news:Xns990A4BCA2EEF4WoodchuckBill@66.250.146.159:
>
>> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_
Research_Laboratory
>> wrote in news:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> HOWEDY People,
>>>
>>> If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>>> COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>>> thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL
>>> CASES HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE
>>> abHOWET IT:
>>>
>>> HOWEDY digitydew aka sd,
>>>
>>> "digitydew" <ladysbytes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
>>> 1174920935.484104.15400@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Well, I hasten to add that he turned out pretty well,
>>>> in spit of his poor start in life.
>>>
>>> I take it THAT AIN'T the dog you GOT RID OF
>>> on accHOWENTA you COULDN'T TRAIN IT:
>>> "We have felt nothing but relief now that she is gone."?
>>>
>>> "Socialization" is DONE by the time the pup leaves his litterbox:
>>>
>>> From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: Critical Socialization
>>>
>>>> "LeeCharlesKelley" kelleymet...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
>>>> more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
>>>> class report that the dog didn't learn anything and that
>>>> the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
>>>
>>> Leah:
>>>
>>>> That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> if they don't continue to use what they learned after
>>>> class, of course the dogs are going to regress.
>>>
>>> "Of course?" You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy's
>>> ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
>>> the time with no repetitions and no regression.
>>>
>>> Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
>>> learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
>>> DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated earlier.
>>>
>>> If it were real learning then the dogs
>>> wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?
>>>
>>> Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the
>>> dog run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
>>> and never forgot it.
>>>
>>> Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
>>> "Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
>>> or forgotten the lesson.
>>>
>>> He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
>>> learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
>>> right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
>>> not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
>>> if he really does still remember it . . .
>>>
>>> Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to, so nope,
>>> he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
>>>
>>> But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
>>> place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
>>> regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.
>>>
>>> That's only natural, right? Wrong.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
>>> another model of learning -- which comes naturally to all
>>> animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or the
>>> expectation that the learning will regress.
>>> Just a thought.

>> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
>> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.
>
>> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)
>>
>> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>
>>
>> Any seconds?
>
> Long overdue. Seconded.
>
> I see Puppyfucker already got the Unabomber.

INDEEDY! AND the Full Canvass Jacket AND the
VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN "WEIRD SCIENCE"
AWARD for HIS Award Winning Posts!

HOWEver, JUST DON'T QUOTE them or you'll be KILLFIELD
by the MENTAL PATIENTS who HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE
CHOKE SHOCK MUTILATE an MURDER innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LIE abHOWET it.







From: ThePuppyFae...@AniMail.Net
Date: 20 Oct 2005 18:03:30 -0700
Subject: Award Winning Posts! Re: HOWE To Read The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's CONfHOWENDING Posts

WINNERS! Usenet Kook Awards, April 2005

VICTOR VON FRANKENSTEIN "WEIRD SCIENCE" AWARD


The winner is... JERRY HOWE!


Jerry "Puppy Wizard" Howe . . 24
neither of the above . . . . 13
ring_theory . . . . . . . . . 10


Congratulations, Puppy Wizard! I don't own a dog,
so perhaps you'll be willing to supply one when
I order your amazing dog-training machine?


----------------
Thank YOU WON an ALL!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't SELL dogs.
HOWEver, on occasion HE may have a fine dog
lookin for a fine HOWES and when the time
comes will certainly consider your request.


Yours,


Jerry HOWE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >


NHOWE on to the NEXT AWARDS!:


Full Canvas Jacket
Noteworthy Unhinged Lunatic Rants


# 15 May 2001, Jerry Howe: "Fear Of Thunder & Pronged
Choke Collars = Fasten Your Seat Belts, And Prepare
To Take A Quantum Leap Into Awareness, LIKE IT OR NOT"


From: "Jerry Howe" <j...@cfl.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:25:54 GMT
Subject: And the prestigious Full Canvas Jacket award goes to.... Me!
Thank you, I'm Honored. And I'm BULLETPROOF j,-)


Thank you, People. I'm honored. I think you've chosen
one of my most meaningful posts.


Coincidentally, I was just talking with the Mrs. about the ideas
expressed in the message below, before we'd found out I'd been
humbled by this majestic achievement.


Our discussion was about rewards. The question I proposed
was "do dogs understand the concept of bonanzas or jackpots
or bonus rewards, as we recently heard our "expert" field
dog trainers discuss?


I think it was susan fraser or sionnach or amy dahl or leah
giving us some BS about giving the dogs an extra bonus reward
for completing a couple of perfect commands.


Would we compare a dogs' perception of the value of one grain
of kibble Vs a cup of kibble and/or a random bonus reward for
excellent work, to our sense of satisfaction comparing the value of a
windfall like a door prize Vs the achievement of
answering the $64,000.00 Question (an old T.V. Quiz show like
Jeapordy)?


My Mrs. took this to it's next logical step, that dogs only
know good.


I asked her HOWE does she know that? "Easy, it says so in
the Lotus Sutra. Good is good, we don't need to be concerned
with degrees."



> Unhinged Lunatic Rant of the Week


So, if you'd be so kind as to consider her for the next award,
I'd be singularly doubly quadrupled blessed. That's about HOWE
dogs learn once we teach them to use those sections of their
brain that is responsible for rationalization, thinking, and
solving problems.

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. Nam
Myoho Renge Kyo. Thank you. j,~)


----------
"Fear Of Thunder & Pronged Choke Collars = Fasten Your
Seat Belts, And Prepare To Take A Quantum Leap Into
Awareness, LIKE IT OR NOT" Posted by Jerry Howe to the
newsgroup rec.pets.dogs.behavior 15 May, 2001


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:42:01 GMT
Subject: Full Canvas Jacket Award "Fear Of Thunder & Pronged Choke
Collars"


Hello spamh8r,



"spamh8r" <spam...@nospam.com> wrote in message


news:bZ7_6.17403$Ga.2445307@news1.rdc1.md.home.com...


> Just happened last month, too!


Thanks man, I'm freaking bulletproof, don'tcha thaink???


> Wonder if he got his medal or trophy yet... ;-)


When my feet hit the ground I'll let you know and you kan come
pin it on me. That'll be such an honor, eh? I don't take these
awards lightly. Acknowledgements like this are treasures to be
cherished always. The prestigious Full Canvas Jacket Award is
a stellar achievement immortalizing me yet again, in
cyberspace.


> http://www.ratbags.com/ranters/howe010515.htm


Check it out. That's one of my best posts. I hope you read it,
there's some profound info there for ya, if you're able to
understand it.

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 19:12:09 GMT


Subject: Re: [SPANK] Spankademy Awards 2004


HOWEDY People!



>WwvwW <W...@wwvwww.www wrote in <40A8A472.D2EAE...@v.v.wwWW
> It is with with tremendous honour and pleasure
> that we at the Slap Special Kook Award Consortium


Oh? You mean, as in CHIN CHUCK?

There's some debate as to whether a CHIN
CHUCK is a slap or not. professora gingold
sez "chin chuck absolutely doesn't mean slap."
captain haggerty believes a chin chuck is a
S-HOWNED DISTRACTION:


captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."



> present........ The first annual
> Spankademy Awards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard is aghast!


><MAJOR APPLAUSE AND SCREAMING


INDEEDY! The Amazing Puppy Wizard KNEW right
from the git go from just readin the subject
header that this prestigiHOWES award was gonna
bless HONOURABLE MENTION upon The Amazing Puppy
Wizard!


> You are witnessing a truly historical
> moment in Usenet history.


INDEED!

As the prHOWEdest holder of the covetted
Full Canvass Jacket Award for "Fear Of
Thunder and Pronged Spiked Pinch Choke
Collars," no dHOWET you're award The
Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't approve
of spankin...



> Before you, we have half a dozen kooks,


The dog groups have DOZENS of certified
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and
active long term incurable mental cases,
all prestigiHOWESLY archived forever on
Google.com


> all of whom consider themselves to be the
> sole centre of the Usenetverse.


That's impossible. There's NO room at the top.


> But these wild and crazy kooks have been
> spanked up to the point of requiring special
> recognition.


INDEED. Google is your FRIEND.


> Ladiez and Germz, without further hesitation,
> here are the Spanked Six of the year. At the
> end of this message will be a simple ballot for
> you to indicate which one of these creatures
> deserves the official grand prize.


Well, your own judiciHOWES effort to compile
the necessary DATA has unequivacably PROVEN
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the ONLY contender.


> Voting will occur over the period of 7
> days. Sox count, if you are creative enough.


You mean sock puppets? The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
friends on r.p.d. will flood the ballots in favor
of their own Amazing Puppy Wizard. HE'S a shoe-in.


>Let the games begin!


INDEED!


><PAUSE TO WACK MY WANK, PISS A WHIZ, AND DROP A TURD


Please wash your hands before returning to work.
"Cleanlieness is next to G-dlieness."


>1) - SLAPPEE NUMBER ONE: Steve Leyland


Sorry. These guys are AMATURES compared
to The Amazing Puppy Wizard. Let's cut to the
chase, shall we?

<snip>



>5) - SLAPPEE NUMBER FIVE: Jerry Howe
> A. K. A. The Puppy Wizard


The Amazing Puppy Wizard feels slighted at
takin fifth place on the list, although you've
done due dilligence in your research.


>http://doggydoright.com
>http://tinyurl.com/3elg7
>http://tinyurl.com/2rjgt
> This is one of the kookiest ever!


INDEED. As attested to by The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
CONSISTENTLY 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
REPORTS RIGHT HERE.


> WHERE DO I BEGIN?????!!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED nearly every
dog trainer and university trained behaviorist in the
Whole Wild World.


> Jerry Howe has been harassing visitors


You mean, The Amazing Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED
EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog
Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who HURT and MURDER dogs
and LIE abHOWET it


> to the dog groups for a decade.


Five years, actually. Must seem like ETERNITY
HOWEver, to HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES.


> He is a professional dog trainer,


The BEST in the Whole Wild World.


> and he insists that nobody is capable of
> properly training a dog unless they follow
> the instructions in his free .PDF dog training
> manual, letter for letter.


PRECISELY. Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK. "Luck
is for SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.


> This self-authored dog training manual is
>available as free download from Jerry's website:
>http://DoggyDoRight.com


Thank you!


> On this site, you can also use Paypal to purchase
> an invention made by Jerry the mad scientist, the
> "Doggy Do Right". Thisunit is a black box that emits
> sounds that only a dog can hear. According to Jerry,
> this invention of his cures all canine behavioural
> problems.


INDEEDY!

Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) Machine
CURES ALL behavior problems AUTOMAGICKALLY
by using PRAISE IN ADVANCE as taught in your
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.



> Believe it or not, he actually profits from this.


DDR is fixin to make The Amazing Puppy
Wizard a multimillionaire.


> He probably owns the longest signature we
> have ever seen, topping even that of Steve
> Leyland's.


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has no equal.


> Jerry also likes to hang out in alt. support. grief.
> pet-loss and blame the mourning dog owners for the
> recent death of their dog, due to improper care, diet
> and training.


INDEED. FACT.


>http://tinyurl.com/2j55u


You've done a REMARKABLE job of RESEARCHING your subjet!


> Jerry finds himself slapped due to lack of flexibility.


Well, THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wiard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students GET
100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL and CURE ALL behavior
problems NEARLY INSTANTLY all over the Whole Wild World,
from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid... all
EXXXCEPT for these goddamned paper slippers.

GAWD I HATE THEM.


Don't you?



> He is a bit too dog obsessed [if you know
> what I'm sayin'].


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has over forty years
specializing in temperament and behavior problems
and protection trainin in mostly giant breed working
dogs.

In the problem animal behavior business FAILURE MEANS DEATH.



> 6) - SLAPPEE NUMBER SIX: Dweezil Dwarftosser
> http://tinyurl.com/2f7do
> Last, but not least, Dweezil gets his culo spanked
> due to bringing an unprecedented level of boredom
> to Usenet. [YAWN]


Well then, CASE CLOSED.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard walks with the covetted
Spankademy Award 2004 and has HIS sights set on
2005 and will begin campaigning YESTERDAY, for
the nomination.



> wont waste any more bandwidth on him.


INDEED.


> Use your own judgement.


A WIZE idea.


> And now... here is your opportunity to cast your vote.
> The ballots will be tallied in exactly one week.
><BALLOT
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER ONE: Steve Leyland
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER TWO: Dr. Flonkenstein
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER THREE: Biff Mullins
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER FOUR: Lionel Lauer
>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER FIVE: Jerry Howe
> A. K. A. The Puppy Wizard

>[ ] - SLAPPEE NUMBER SIX: Dweezil Dwarftosser
></BALLOT
>Do reply and cast your [SPANK]
>No contest.
>Biff!
>[*] - SLAPPEE NUMBER THREE: 3iff //ullins



Naah, he don't stand a chance in heel and neither do you:



HOWEDY woodchuck bill you pathetic malignant
miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life long incurable
MENTAL CASE,

On Apr 6, 3:16 am, Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote:
> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
>> innews:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> > HOWEDY People,
>
>> > If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>> > COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>> > thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
>> > HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:

> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.

> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)

> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>

> Any seconds?

> --
> Bill

--------------

For SHORE, billy!

You'll find LOTS of like minded pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward ignorameHOWESES like
yourself RIGHT HERE!

HOWEver, to keep them *HAPPY* you gotta SNIP TEST
and TRIM HEADERS otherWIZE you'll be KILLFILED by
your fellow DOG LOVER MENTAL PATIENTS, billy!:

HOWEDY Soup,

Seems jenn's post didn't show up on my news reader. Here's
my reply to the post you're responding to. Thanks for the
top posting advice, we wouldn't want to rock the boat:

"Shifter of Paradigms" <pshi...@changethemuzzle.com> wrote
in message news:3D3D10DD.D7D94181@changethemuzzle.com...

> Howedy Jenn,
> Please don't top post. Some people in Europe get charged
> extra for top posted material.
> Thank you for cooperating.

Thank you for not buckling under the overwhelming wealth
of viciousness and stupidity from our alleged dog lovers.

Here's my reply to jenn:

HOWEDY jenn,

> Jerry] Re: occasional post-this newsgroup (rest of header
> snipped) [Jerry]

> Date: 2002-07-23 01:44:43 PST
> Note: the following post is a long response to Jerry Howe.

Imagine?

> This is to prevent people who don't care from having to read it.

Excuse me jenn, but that's not quite correct. Those "people"
who "don't care to read it" read Jerry's posts first. They're
worried about everyone else reading Jerry's posts cause
they're afraid people will GET WISE to their conspiracy
to defend koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch
choke collar training...

> Sorry if that pisses you off Jerry,

Your pals who call for killfiling Jerry are not concerned
with JERRY, they're concerned with ANY non violent trainer
who's ever posted here because they cannot justify HURTING
and KILLING dogs when there's few trainers like Jerry and
Soup and Marilyn hangin out here.

That's HOWE COME your professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its face for
5 seconds" dermer KILLFILED MARILYN for reporting an INSTANT
CURE for her destructive separation anxiety students of hers.

Marilyn's got thirty years experience training dogs and
is a student of Jerry's. You got any idea HOWE COME
our professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM would want to
KILLFILE and experienced trainer who's discovered
an INSTANT CURE for destructive separation anxiety,
jenn?

Ask Marilyn. She's never been RUDE to nobody here,
jenn. The fact is, your pals are conspirators, liars,
and dog abusers. Ask Marilyn, she'd tell you if she
wasn't afraid of OFFENDING nobody.

That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE, jenn,
cause she's got a lack of moral integrity, as I see it
in not being FORTHRIGHT about these issues so stupid
neophyte nitwits like you don't get sucked in and deceived
by our EXPERIENCED LYING DOG ABUSING COWARD THUG CONSPIRATORS.

> but you're pissed off anyway,

NOT AT YOU, jenn. I'm pissed off at Marilyn for not wanting
to upset the apple cart and LYING BY OMISSION... as to what's
goin down here on our forum.

> on so I'm really not really affecting you.

Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip
text and put NINNYBOY in the subject header so folks
who've been DECEIVED as you have won't accidentally
find out who's been LYING to them, jenn. Ask Marilyn
if you don't believe me. Go ahead...

>"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:Pz5%8.11440$LS3.2136862@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
>> Annoys? Or do you mean EMBARRASSES?
> Um, nope. If it embarrassed, I would not be responding.

We'll see. I'll go through your objections and you'll see
what I'm tellin you is the truth and you'll have NO CHOICE
but to KILLFILE JERRY because THAT IS The EPITOME
of The SYNDROME.

>> > > > Haltis and the like, as with any collar, halter,
>> > > > harness and leash, can be used improperly and is
>> > > > therefore harmful to the dog.

I see. You think discussing the GL is an acceptable subterfuge
for the real issues that perhaps you are not even aware of because
that too, IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME.

This "flame war" is NOT about Jerry jenn. Jerry is the only trainer
besides Soup who is able to withstand the constant lies abuse
email and telephone harassment and personal attacks over
teaching people to handle and train dogs WITHOUT HURTING
them. Ask marilyn, jenn. Once marilyn levels with you and your
little CHUMP CHUMS, then PERHAPS I'll reconsider entertaining
her friendship, but with a much closer eye on her INTEGRITY.

>> > > NO. That's a lie.

>> > No, it is not.

I just told you it is and I offered PROOF.

>> I just told you it is.

> We could "s'not, so" about that all night, Jerry.

NO YOU CAN'T, cause you'll KILLFILE JERRY when you
cannot answer the HARD questions, jenn. Ask professor
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer HOWE he reconciles his
scruff shake with allelomimetic behavior?

That's HOWE COME he MUST killfile Jerry and all his students.

>> > With all your talk about mishandling, how can you
>> > say that misuse of "equipment" is a lie?

The "equipment" is INTENDED BY DESIGN to INFLICT PAIN
FEAR and FORCE jenn. That GL is neither gentle nor a leader,
it's a vicious neck twister device and the INSTRUCTIONS for
their "certified" fitters is INTENDED TO BREAK the dog's
REFLEXIVE RESPONSE to being FORCES TO SUBMIT, jenn.

That's what causes hyperactivity and aggression and self
mutilation, jenn. That's HOWE COME you can't get away
punishing and choking and shocking dogs jenn, cause behaviors
are all CONNECTED, and when we REPRESS one behavior that
behavior doesn't go away as if by MAGICK as they do when
I extinguish the behavior by interrupting the thought process.

That REPRESSION causes ANXIETY to go deep within, where it
attacks the parasympathetic nervous and endocrine systems
and GETS DOGS DEAD, jenn.

IT'S CALLED The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >

Ask marilyn. She PROBABLY understands that well enough now
after having thirty sumpthin years experience professionally
training dogs and now having three years of using my methods.

Look at HOWE my students are treated here when they report
near INSTANT CURES for their dog's behavior problems, they're
called LIARS and FORGERIES by myself and PAID SHILLS FOR
JERRY and ANIMAL FUCKERS, jenn.

What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post here no
moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him, so like marilyn,
he can go fry his ass as far as Jerry's concerned. Too bad,
cause Nevyn was fixin to become a professional trainer, and
I was just about to give him my lesson plan which he's gonna
need bye and bye, and he won't be gettin it unless he asks
on our forum so you and your pals can ridicule him and call
him a liar someMOORE as they do me and Soup.

>> Because the INSTRUCTIONS for fitting the GL are INTENDED
>> to TRIGGER the opposition reflex and OVERRIDE IT with
>> PAIN FEAR and FORCE jenn....I did a report on the manufacture's
>> instructions.

> Yes, I know this. It inspired me to look into how the GL is
> fitted as used myself, and I agree with you on this.

Imagine? And that wasn't enough to make you KILLFILE Jerry?

That gravely concerns me, jenn. If you don't get angry and take
this PERSONALLY and KILLFILE Jerry cause you can't DISCUSS
the issues, that'd disprove The SYNDROME and I'm outta gas, jenn.

> Things I have said about the GL in the past are not things
> I believe anymore.

IMAGINE? And HOWE do you figure all your pals out there believing
they're being KIND to their dogs as they intimidate them by twisting
their neck under their foreleg?

> The GL, IMO, is not the non-force method it claims to be.

EXACTLY, jenn. It was designed by an NADOI trainer and
a veterinary behaviorist. These guys DESIGNED the GL
with the INTENT of triggering and overriding positive
thigmotaxis. You think their DESCRIPTION of their product
and HOWE it works is HONEST FAIR and ACCURATE, jenn?

What's it called up in Canada when we got experts LYING
about their FRAUDULENT PRODUCTS they sell, jenn?

> But I was talking about the Halti.

The Halti is significantly different, but the REASON the halti
has been designed as it is, is for 2 reasons. FIRST, the
halti guy needed to outstep the PATENT Dr. Alice DeGroote
obtained for her K-9 Kum-A-Long, and 2ndly, he wanted to
be able to apply MOORE FORCE to the dog than the original
K-9 Kum-A-Long would afford, because THAT is the NATURE
of this beast in the dog training industry.

> In your report you said that the Halti was a knock-off of the
> K-9 Kumalong, and the design is exactly the same (I checked).

Not exactly or they'd have that little issue of the patent...

> You praised the K9 Kumalong in your report, Jerry. You do
> state that they have deviated from the original intent, but if
> one sticks with the original intent, is it not a good thing?

Yes jenn. The Halti doesn't automatically trigger the opposition
reflex and intimidate the dog.

> If they do deviate from the original intent as you
> state, then is that not handler abuse?

No, that'd be the instructions, which is HOWE COME they
beefed the halter up so it's able to withstand FORCE.

> Isn't "not paying attention to a dog during training", mishandling?

The PROBLEM is the INTENT. As was clear with "broken rib,"
you'll see three incompetent traditionally trained handlers
trying to force control and inhibit their dogs lunging by paying
attention and HURTING their dogs in advance of the lunge.
That only represses the lunging so long as the handler is
ready to THREATEN the dog.

You can't have it both ways, jenn. You cannot have a
TRUSTWORTHY well trained well behaved dog and
be constantly prepared to HURT IT when his behaviors
SCARE YOU, jenn. Our pal carol levie went to SEE our
expert graduate of captain haggartey's lesson sales
school, and he sent her to his COMPETITOR so she
wouldn't need to come back here and admit that booby
could ONLY teach her to jerk and choke her dog on
a pronged spiked pinch choke collar to MAKE IT FRIENDLY,
and her dog came outta his competitors class TURNING ON
HER jenn. Figger it out, huh?

> Did you forget? Let me quote, just to remind you where
> I am getting this from: From the Halti web site: "Properly
> fitted and introduced, head halters can prevent pulling
> and shape more desirable behaviors. Using a head halter is
> a new experience for most dog handlers.
>
> Unlike the snap of a choke-chain, the head halter is most
> effective when used gently and subtly. Strength is not a
> factor, making It is highly recommended that your dog be
> fitted and you be trained in proper usage by a professional
> trainer.

> The halter is particularly appropriate for restraining and
> retraining dogs with aggression problems, especially dogs
> who lunge at people or other dogs. When used properly in
> conjunction with positive reinforcers such as treats, alternate
> behaviors (such as "look at me") become more rewarding than
> acting out towards other dogs or people."
>
> (the above paragraph is where they deviate from
> the original intent, right?-js)

===========

That's the bottom line, People. The objective of the halter
is not to FORCE control, but to gently redirect the dog, not
"GUIDE" him by force as most of our dog lovers PREFER to do.

IOW, they're BLOWIN SMOKE UP HOWER ARSES, People!

Unfortunately, they themselves have deviated
from the original intent of the K-9 Kum Along."

> > It's mishandling.

> You don't get it jenn. Just puttin on the GL is
> INTENTIONALLY INTIMDIATING by DESIGN.

And that is not mishandling? I think it is.

> I've got forty years experience training dogs everybody else
> would kill. Now I'm able to do that from sittin right here, stark
> ravin nekkit. My students are gettin 100% near instant success.

Now, how many times have I read THAT.

> you and your pals like to tell folks my methods are dangerous

I've never said that your methods were dangerous.

Others have.

I think YOU are, I'm afraid you're going to clock yourself
soon. I have also said that your medical advice is dangerous.

I feel it is better to get a vet clearance that a problem
is not medical before trying to train away a behavior problem.
If your dog messes in the house and you try to train away the
behavior, but it turns out to be pancreatitis, you have a dead
dog. I would rather spend the money on a health check first.

> and do not work

I told you when it DID work, and I told you when it didn't.

> and are stolen

I have no proof of that. I have simply been told so. One
of these days I'm going to check it out for myself, but
I do not have the time, nor inclination, at the moment.

> and I'm a con man

Never said that. I've made fun of your doggy-do-right,
because I find it hard to believe that a sound device
solves anything. You have yet to produce any peer-reviewed,
published evidence that shows otherwise.

_____________________

The "PEERS" have ALL BEEN DISCREDITED.


And AFAIK, your "testimonials" could be a result of
a placebo effect. How many have you sold? How many
testimonials do you have? How many did *not* work?

> and a liar, eh jenn?

Yup, you are a liar, the evidence is right above.

You think I've told people certain things about you that I haven't.

> > > > but I've seen them used on dogs where the
> > > > owner did not pay attention to the dog and had
> > > > it on a long leash, and the dog would see something
> > > > and run to the end of the leash, snapping its head
> > > > sideways, causing injury.

> BFD. That's not my concern. My student's dogs don't do that
> kinda stuff.

I bet they DID, before they came to you.

> You blame the people for not paying attention to the equipment
> instead of focusing on training the dog so the dog won't bolt.

No, I blame people for not paying attention to the DOG during
training. With lack of training, ANY collar/harness/halti will
harm a dog. Even the collar that we legally have to put on our
dogs so we can attach the leash. But this topic did not concern
that. It concerned Haltis, and that is what I focused on.

> > It is obvious that I blame the HANDLER for MISHANDLING the dog.

> You blame the handler for not paying attention
> to the dog to PREVENT the dog from bolting

Yes, because people often use these devices as a
*substitute* for training. They should instead be
teaching it not to bolt.

> because you don't know HOWE to train a dog
> not to bolt

Yes, I do.

> unless you're jerking and choking it on a pronged spiked
> pinch choke collar

Um, no. I'm not allowed to use prong collars at PetSmart, Jerry.

Nor do I jerk and choke.

Don't you do any research? If I did any of those things,
I'd be fired. You know all about my experience with the
prong collar, I emailed you about it years ago. So you
also know that I don't use them anymore. Not since my
first contact with you where you taught me to walk Anja
without it.

Go ahead and use this in your posts if you wish.

You will anyway, just like you recently have with
my barking testimonial, so I thought I'd just make
it official.

> like your three stoodges pals in "broken rib."

Who are "the three stooges", and how are they mine?

What was the thread "broken rib"?

I skip a lot of threads Jerry.

> Well your pal susan doesn't have a freakin clue about
> what I'm talking about because she hurts dogs to train them.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And she's not my pal.
I don't know her. She merely came up on a search for "head
halters"

> > If it prevents one single dog injury, I'll be happy.

> NO. You're CONDONING the GL

Nope, I was 1) talking about the Halti, not the GL, and
2) condoning paying attention to your dog and training
him, and not mishandling him with equipment.

> because you do not UNDERSTAND HOWE IT WORKS jenn.

> You're a freakin pet store clerk, not an experienced dog trainer.

How will I EVER gain experience unless I train dogs?

Were you born with 40 years experience? Or did your elves
bring it to you late one night? You've had these methods
for the entire 40 years? Then why did you only put out the
manual within the last few years?

> and you'll never get the experience I've had cause this
> is HOWE I've lived and worked for forty years jenn.

You're right. I won't. Not until I'm 69, anyway. But
by then you'll either be 95 or dead, and you'll still
be ahead of me. You win. You have the most toys. And
I STILL don't believe that you've been training this
exact same way for 40 years.You yourself said that
you used to smack your dogs around.

I'm not doing any more googling tonight to look for it though.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!

And if I am wrong, I will admit it.

> I don't hurt dogs to train them becasue that
> would have got someone DEAD.

A dog someone or a human someone?

> Your backwards selfish logic is what gets dogs DEAD jenn.

How?

> > Didn't point Kim to any articles on "how to use a prong
> > collar correctly", now did I? Nor will I. [Janet]She's
> > got nessa on the prong right now.

And that worries me as I don't like prongs. But Nessa is
not my student. What can I do? Nag her until she killfiles
me?

That's not the way to be heard, Jerry.

> Because you know you're dead wrong and you can't accept
> it because that'll shake your world.

My world is already shakin', baby.

You'll have to give up

> being in control. The trade off is you get 100% total non
> force control doin things my way. You get pain agony and
> death doin things your way.

Tell me Jerry, just what do you think *is* my way?

No ear/testical pinches, no beating with sticks, no prong
collars, or choke collars. I reward dogs, I do not bribe
them. When you were good, didn't momma ever give you ice cream?

I'd get an occassional chocolate chip cookie when I was really
good, and it always came as a bonus. My dogs don't know that
they're getting a treat.

They don't expect it. They do a good job, and once in a
while, they get some CHEDDAR!

> HOWE many dogs are gonna get the chances they are in
> NORMAL HOWESES that nessa and leah and liea and marie
> have given their dogs?

You admit that Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie are not average
dog owners. If their dogs were in JQP's homes, maybe they
would be dead by now. Maybe they would be sent to new homes
again and again. But Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie aren't
going to do that.

> > You'll just take it and twist it anyway.

> EXCUSE ME jenn, your pals call my 100% successful
> students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers.

And you've still twisted it. I don't actually care what
they say about you. I do care what I think about you.

That's all that matters to me.

> And I've got a machine that CURES all animal behavior
> problems and you tell people it's a SCAM because if
> my machine works, and my method works, that means
> you and your pals are outta business.

No, but I make fun of it because, similar to you giving
veterinary advice, I don't want to see people shell out
their hard-earned cash for snake oil. I want scientific
proof, not testimonials. If I went by testimonials I'd
be broke buying every product I saw advertised on tv.

> Dog training isn't gonna be HOWE it is any longer jenn.
> Everything Jerry sez is true and proven and everything
> you believe to be true is a lie...at least about behavior

Dog training is changing every day. Good thing too, because
things *really* sucked when Koehler ran the show. That is
one point I agree with you on totally and completely.

Jenn S

--------------

You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again:


"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic,
> as well as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help.

Jerry.

----------------------------

Here's Disciple Paulie:

From: Paul B (pand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST

I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.

I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.

Remember too that we aren't trying to scare the
bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's train
of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.

Sometimes you won't even see a reaction but the dog
will have been distracted fleetingly. (Recently one
of my dogs started habitually licking my feet while
I was watching TV, I clicked my fingers on her left
side and told her "good girl" even though she only
paused her licking briefly, next I clicked over her
right side and praised, by about the 4th repeat she
suddenly stopped, I repeated this over a few nights
and now she doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions
she absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).

Timing is important too, learn to anticipate when
the dog isthinking about doing the "dirty deed"
and distract and praise then, with any luck the
dog will try again almost immediately so distract
and praise again, if the timing is correct after
about the 4th rep the dog will stop.

I could go on but this post is long enough already,
remember too that the dog isn't being a "bad dog",
it's behaviour is simply inappropriate for the
circumstances.

Happy training, :-)

Paul

-----------------------------

A DIFFERENT Jen wrote:

Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7zenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy

Jen wrote:

> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
> Jen

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3AD21A3D Free
download, nothing sold, no mailing list, no distribution
of your name. Free support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von

--------------

From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

Subject: Jerry, your surrogate toy technique
From: Jenn
Date: Wed, Jul 24 2002 12:50 am
Email: "Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca>

I've told people it worked for me in the past.
There. I'm preparing to be killfiled en masse.

Got a question. I'm going to use it to help give my dogs
freedom of the house while I'm gone instead of blocking
them in the kitchen, which I've been doing since I brought
Frodo home last year.

Frodo greets me at the door with a toy in his mouth. I
don't mind this and have no intention of stopping it.

So, what do I do when I come in if he has *the* toy in his mouth?

Simply take it away to say hi to it first? If I can't
talk to Frodo, I can't tell him to "drop it". He always
gives things up when I reach for them anyway, but if I'm
reaching for the toy from him, isn't that going to cause
a problem?

--
Jenn S


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Jerry] LONG!Re: occasional post-this
newsgroup (rest of header snipped) [Jerry] [1/2]

"Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Tit%8.40428$f05.2095331@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...

> "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:xqi%8.1336$Og3.33988@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com..>
> > HOWEDY jenn,
>
> Hello.
>
> > Ask Marilyn.
>
> I don't have to ask her. She and I have talked about
> it in the past via email. I get along very well with
> Marilyn. I really enjoyed her first book and want to
> get the second installment.
>
> > That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE,
> > jenn, cause she's got a lack of moral integrity,

> I think Marilyn's got the right attitude. She has been
> back in the group lately, and been very helpful in a
> nice way.

> You attract more flies with sugar, Jerry.

> > Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip text

> It's common courtesy. That's just the way I am ;)

> > What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post
> > here no moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him,

> He was a bit of a jerk. Even if he didn't use
> your methods he would have been ridiculed.

Nevyn, "A BIT OF A JERK", writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had
with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out
-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions
within a matter of weeks!

AND My friends have seen the success and
have asked me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today
and she was being an angel after like an hour of working
with her!

It is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way?

NO they are average joes off the street who
think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

"Nevyn" <greatd> wrote in message

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment
I dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull
coloured dogs, but after I had removed the fear
and anxiety their hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

------------------------------------

From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
Date: 2002-04-10 15:25:10 PST

I am afraid Jerry is not the one with the
psychiatric problems, Sonofabitch.

I have been talking with him for over a month and been working
with my dogs on his method and he is the most sane and logical
man I have ever known. He is gentle and has a deep spiritual
connection with nature; for this is the way he can master it.

You hurt nature, controlling it through terror. Biting your dogs
ears to leash train them? Jesus, I could do that with any dog
without harming them in 30minutes.

You are pyschiatrically ill, I am afraid. That is a problem caused
by something horrid in your childhood. Don't deny it. You deny it
because you don't want to believe it. You have no other
reason to live; therefore use Jerry as an excuse. A Vendetta.

I have been on medication and sought psychiatric help myself; does
that make me a liar?
--
Thanks,
Nevyn


=================



From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park

d*.@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?

I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.

It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.

It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.

It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.

Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.

I wish all the best to you and your dog.

Lucy

-------------------


H*@HotMail.Com
2007-04-06 18:21:11 EST
HOWEDY woodchuck bill you pathetic malignant
miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life long incurable
MENTAL CASE,

On Apr 6, 3:16 am, Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote:
> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
>> innews:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> > HOWEDY People,
>
>> > If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>> > COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>> > thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
>> > HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:

> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.

> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)

> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>

> Any seconds?

> --
> Bill

--------------

For SHORE, billy! You'll find LOTS of like minded
pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk
thug coward ignorameHOWESES like yourself RIGHT HERE!:

HOWEDY Soup,

Seems jenn's post didn't show up on my news reader. Here's
my reply to the post you're responding to. Thanks for the
top posting advice, we wouldn't want to rock the boat:

"Shifter of Paradigms" <pshi...@changethemuzzle.com> wrote
in message news:3D3D10DD.D7D94181@changethemuzzle.com...

> Howedy Jenn,
> Please don't top post. Some people in Europe get charged
> extra for top posted material.
> Thank you for cooperating.

Thank you for not buckling under the overwhelming wealth
of viciousness and stupidity from our alleged dog lovers.

Here's my reply to jenn:

HOWEDY jenn,

> Jerry] Re: occasional post-this newsgroup (rest of header
> snipped) [Jerry]

> Date: 2002-07-23 01:44:43 PST
> Note: the following post is a long response to Jerry Howe.

Imagine?

> This is to prevent people who don't care from having to read it.

Excuse me jenn, but that's not quite correct. Those "people"
who "don't care to read it" read Jerry's posts first. They're
worried about everyone else reading Jerry's posts cause
they're afraid people will GET WISE to their conspiracy
to defend koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch
choke collar training...

> Sorry if that pisses you off Jerry,

Your pals who call for killfiling Jerry are not concerned
with JERRY, they're concerned with ANY non violent trainer
who's ever posted here because they cannot justify HURTING
and KILLING dogs when there's few trainers like Jerry and
Soup and Marilyn hangin out here.

That's HOWE COME your professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its face for
5 seconds" dermer KILLFILED MARILYN for reporting an INSTANT
CURE for her destructive separation anxiety students of hers.

Marilyn's got thirty years experience training dogs and
is a student of Jerry's. You got any idea HOWE COME
our professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM would want to
KILLFILE and experienced trainer who's discovered
an INSTANT CURE for destructive separation anxiety,
jenn?

Ask Marilyn. She's never been RUDE to nobody here,
jenn. The fact is, your pals are conspirators, liars,
and dog abusers. Ask Marilyn, she'd tell you if she
wasn't afraid of OFFENDING nobody.

That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE, jenn,
cause she's got a lack of moral integrity, as I see it
in not being FORTHRIGHT about these issues so stupid
neophyte nitwits like you don't get sucked in and deceived
by our EXPERIENCED LYING DOG ABUSING COWARD THUG CONSPIRATORS.

> but you're pissed off anyway,

NOT AT YOU, jenn. I'm pissed off at Marilyn for not wanting
to upset the apple cart and LYING BY OMISSION... as to what's
goin down here on our forum.

> on so I'm really not really affecting you.

Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip
text and put NINNYBOY in the subject header so folks
who've been DECEIVED as you have won't accidentally
find out who's been LYING to them, jenn. Ask Marilyn
if you don't believe me. Go ahead...

>"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:Pz5%8.11440$LS3.2136862@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
>> Annoys? Or do you mean EMBARRASSES?
> Um, nope. If it embarrassed, I would not be responding.

We'll see. I'll go through your objections and you'll see
what I'm tellin you is the truth and you'll have NO CHOICE
but to KILLFILE JERRY because THAT IS The EPITOME
of The SYNDROME.

>> > > > Haltis and the like, as with any collar, halter,
>> > > > harness and leash, can be used improperly and is
>> > > > therefore harmful to the dog.

I see. You think discussing the GL is an acceptable subterfuge
for the real issues that perhaps you are not even aware of because
that too, IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME.

This "flame war" is NOT about Jerry jenn. Jerry is the only trainer
besides Soup who is able to withstand the constant lies abuse
email and telephone harassment and personal attacks over
teaching people to handle and train dogs WITHOUT HURTING
them. Ask marilyn, jenn. Once marilyn levels with you and your
little CHUMP CHUMS, then PERHAPS I'll reconsider entertaining
her friendship, but with a much closer eye on her INTEGRITY.

>> > > NO. That's a lie.

>> > No, it is not.

I just told you it is and I offered PROOF.

>> I just told you it is.

> We could "s'not, so" about that all night, Jerry.

NO YOU CAN'T, cause you'll KILLFILE JERRY when you
cannot answer the HARD questions, jenn. Ask professor
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer HOWE he reconciles his
scruff shake with allelomimetic behavior?

That's HOWE COME he MUST killfile Jerry and all his students.

>> > With all your talk about mishandling, how can you
>> > say that misuse of "equipment" is a lie?

The "equipment" is INTENDED BY DESIGN to INFLICT PAIN
FEAR and FORCE jenn. That GL is neither gentle nor a leader,
it's a vicious neck twister device and the INSTRUCTIONS for
their "certified" fitters is INTENDED TO BREAK the dog's
REFLEXIVE RESPONSE to being FORCES TO SUBMIT, jenn.

That's what causes hyperactivity and aggression and self
mutilation, jenn. That's HOWE COME you can't get away
punishing and choking and shocking dogs jenn, cause behaviors
are all CONNECTED, and when we REPRESS one behavior that
behavior doesn't go away as if by MAGICK as they do when
I extinguish the behavior by interrupting the thought process.

That REPRESSION causes ANXIETY to go deep within, where it
attacks the parasympathetic nervous and endocrine systems
and GETS DOGS DEAD, jenn.

IT'S CALLED The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >

Ask marilyn. She PROBABLY understands that well enough now
after having thirty sumpthin years experience professionally
training dogs and now having three years of using my methods.

Look at HOWE my students are treated here when they report
near INSTANT CURES for their dog's behavior problems, they're
called LIARS and FORGERIES by myself and PAID SHILLS FOR
JERRY and ANIMAL FUCKERS, jenn.

What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post here no
moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him, so like marilyn,
he can go fry his ass as far as Jerry's concerned. Too bad,
cause Nevyn was fixin to become a professional trainer, and
I was just about to give him my lesson plan which he's gonna
need bye and bye, and he won't be gettin it unless he asks
on our forum so you and your pals can ridicule him and call
him a liar someMOORE as they do me and Soup.

>> Because the INSTRUCTIONS for fitting the GL are INTENDED
>> to TRIGGER the opposition reflex and OVERRIDE IT with
>> PAIN FEAR and FORCE jenn....I did a report on the manufacture's
>> instructions.

> Yes, I know this. It inspired me to look into how the GL is
> fitted as used myself, and I agree with you on this.

Imagine? And that wasn't enough to make you KILLFILE Jerry?

That gravely concerns me, jenn. If you don't get angry and take
this PERSONALLY and KILLFILE Jerry cause you can't DISCUSS
the issues, that'd disprove The SYNDROME and I'm outta gas, jenn.

> Things I have said about the GL in the past are not things
> I believe anymore.

IMAGINE? And HOWE do you figure all your pals out there believing
they're being KIND to their dogs as they intimidate them by twisting
their neck under their foreleg?

> The GL, IMO, is not the non-force method it claims to be.

EXACTLY, jenn. It was designed by an NADOI trainer and
a veterinary behaviorist. These guys DESIGNED the GL
with the INTENT of triggering and overriding positive
thigmotaxis. You think their DESCRIPTION of their product
and HOWE it works is HONEST FAIR and ACCURATE, jenn?

What's it called up in Canada when we got experts LYING
about their FRAUDULENT PRODUCTS they sell, jenn?

> But I was talking about the Halti.

The Halti is significantly different, but the REASON the halti
has been designed as it is, is for 2 reasons. FIRST, the
halti guy needed to outstep the PATENT Dr. Alice DeGroote
obtained for her K-9 Kum-A-Long, and 2ndly, he wanted to
be able to apply MOORE FORCE to the dog than the original
K-9 Kum-A-Long would afford, because THAT is the NATURE
of this beast in the dog training industry.

> In your report you said that the Halti was a knock-off of the
> K-9 Kumalong, and the design is exactly the same (I checked).

Not exactly or they'd have that little issue of the patent...

> You praised the K9 Kumalong in your report, Jerry. You do
> state that they have deviated from the original intent, but if
> one sticks with the original intent, is it not a good thing?

Yes jenn. The Halti doesn't automatically trigger the opposition
reflex and intimidate the dog.

> If they do deviate from the original intent as you
> state, then is that not handler abuse?

No, that'd be the instructions, which is HOWE COME they
beefed the halter up so it's able to withstand FORCE.

> Isn't "not paying attention to a dog during training", mishandling?

The PROBLEM is the INTENT. As was clear with "broken rib,"
you'll see three incompetent traditionally trained handlers
trying to force control and inhibit their dogs lunging by paying
attention and HURTING their dogs in advance of the lunge.
That only represses the lunging so long as the handler is
ready to THREATEN the dog.

You can't have it both ways, jenn. You cannot have a
TRUSTWORTHY well trained well behaved dog and
be constantly prepared to HURT IT when his behaviors
SCARE YOU, jenn. Our pal carol levie went to SEE our
expert graduate of captain haggartey's lesson sales
school, and he sent her to his COMPETITOR so she
wouldn't need to come back here and admit that booby
could ONLY teach her to jerk and choke her dog on
a pronged spiked pinch choke collar to MAKE IT FRIENDLY,
and her dog came outta his competitors class TURNING ON
HER jenn. Figger it out, huh?

> Did you forget? Let me quote, just to remind you where
> I am getting this from: From the Halti web site: "Properly
> fitted and introduced, head halters can prevent pulling
> and shape more desirable behaviors. Using a head halter is
> a new experience for most dog handlers.
>
> Unlike the snap of a choke-chain, the head halter is most
> effective when used gently and subtly. Strength is not a
> factor, making It is highly recommended that your dog be
> fitted and you be trained in proper usage by a professional
> trainer.

> The halter is particularly appropriate for restraining and
> retraining dogs with aggression problems, especially dogs
> who lunge at people or other dogs. When used properly in
> conjunction with positive reinforcers such as treats, alternate
> behaviors (such as "look at me") become more rewarding than
> acting out towards other dogs or people."
>
> (the above paragraph is where they deviate from
> the original intent, right?-js)

===========

That's the bottom line, People. The objective of the halter
is not to FORCE control, but to gently redirect the dog, not
"GUIDE" him by force as most of our dog lovers PREFER to do.

IOW, they're BLOWIN SMOKE UP HOWER ARSES, People!

Unfortunately, they themselves have deviated
from the original intent of the K-9 Kum Along."

> > It's mishandling.

> You don't get it jenn. Just puttin on the GL is
> INTENTIONALLY INTIMDIATING by DESIGN.

And that is not mishandling? I think it is.

> I've got forty years experience training dogs everybody else
> would kill. Now I'm able to do that from sittin right here, stark
> ravin nekkit. My students are gettin 100% near instant success.

Now, how many times have I read THAT.

> you and your pals like to tell folks my methods are dangerous

I've never said that your methods were dangerous.

Others have.

I think YOU are, I'm afraid you're going to clock yourself
soon. I have also said that your medical advice is dangerous.

I feel it is better to get a vet clearance that a problem
is not medical before trying to train away a behavior problem.
If your dog messes in the house and you try to train away the
behavior, but it turns out to be pancreatitis, you have a dead
dog. I would rather spend the money on a health check first.

> and do not work

I told you when it DID work, and I told you when it didn't.

> and are stolen

I have no proof of that. I have simply been told so. One
of these days I'm going to check it out for myself, but
I do not have the time, nor inclination, at the moment.

> and I'm a con man

Never said that. I've made fun of your doggy-do-right,
because I find it hard to believe that a sound device
solves anything. You have yet to produce any peer-reviewed,
published evidence that shows otherwise.

_____________________

The "PEERS" have ALL BEEN DISCREDITED.


And AFAIK, your "testimonials" could be a result of
a placebo effect. How many have you sold? How many
testimonials do you have? How many did *not* work?

> and a liar, eh jenn?

Yup, you are a liar, the evidence is right above.

You think I've told people certain things about you that I haven't.

> > > > but I've seen them used on dogs where the
> > > > owner did not pay attention to the dog and had
> > > > it on a long leash, and the dog would see something
> > > > and run to the end of the leash, snapping its head
> > > > sideways, causing injury.

> BFD. That's not my concern. My student's dogs don't do that
> kinda stuff.

I bet they DID, before they came to you.

> You blame the people for not paying attention to the equipment
> instead of focusing on training the dog so the dog won't bolt.

No, I blame people for not paying attention to the DOG during
training. With lack of training, ANY collar/harness/halti will
harm a dog. Even the collar that we legally have to put on our
dogs so we can attach the leash. But this topic did not concern
that. It concerned Haltis, and that is what I focused on.

> > It is obvious that I blame the HANDLER for MISHANDLING the dog.

> You blame the handler for not paying attention
> to the dog to PREVENT the dog from bolting

Yes, because people often use these devices as a
*substitute* for training. They should instead be
teaching it not to bolt.

> because you don't know HOWE to train a dog
> not to bolt

Yes, I do.

> unless you're jerking and choking it on a pronged spiked
> pinch choke collar

Um, no. I'm not allowed to use prong collars at PetSmart, Jerry.

Nor do I jerk and choke.

Don't you do any research? If I did any of those things,
I'd be fired. You know all about my experience with the
prong collar, I emailed you about it years ago. So you
also know that I don't use them anymore. Not since my
first contact with you where you taught me to walk Anja
without it.

Go ahead and use this in your posts if you wish.

You will anyway, just like you recently have with
my barking testimonial, so I thought I'd just make
it official.

> like your three stoodges pals in "broken rib."

Who are "the three stooges", and how are they mine?

What was the thread "broken rib"?

I skip a lot of threads Jerry.

> Well your pal susan doesn't have a freakin clue about
> what I'm talking about because she hurts dogs to train them.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And she's not my pal.
I don't know her. She merely came up on a search for "head
halters"

> > If it prevents one single dog injury, I'll be happy.

> NO. You're CONDONING the GL

Nope, I was 1) talking about the Halti, not the GL, and
2) condoning paying attention to your dog and training
him, and not mishandling him with equipment.

> because you do not UNDERSTAND HOWE IT WORKS jenn.

> You're a freakin pet store clerk, not an experienced dog trainer.

How will I EVER gain experience unless I train dogs?

Were you born with 40 years experience? Or did your elves
bring it to you late one night? You've had these methods
for the entire 40 years? Then why did you only put out the
manual within the last few years?

> and you'll never get the experience I've had cause this
> is HOWE I've lived and worked for forty years jenn.

You're right. I won't. Not until I'm 69, anyway. But
by then you'll either be 95 or dead, and you'll still
be ahead of me. You win. You have the most toys. And
I STILL don't believe that you've been training this
exact same way for 40 years.You yourself said that
you used to smack your dogs around.

I'm not doing any more googling tonight to look for it though.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!

And if I am wrong, I will admit it.

> I don't hurt dogs to train them becasue that
> would have got someone DEAD.

A dog someone or a human someone?

> Your backwards selfish logic is what gets dogs DEAD jenn.

How?

> > Didn't point Kim to any articles on "how to use a prong
> > collar correctly", now did I? Nor will I. [Janet]She's
> > got nessa on the prong right now.

And that worries me as I don't like prongs. But Nessa is
not my student. What can I do? Nag her until she killfiles
me?

That's not the way to be heard, Jerry.

> Because you know you're dead wrong and you can't accept
> it because that'll shake your world.

My world is already shakin', baby.

You'll have to give up

> being in control. The trade off is you get 100% total non
> force control doin things my way. You get pain agony and
> death doin things your way.

Tell me Jerry, just what do you think *is* my way?

No ear/testical pinches, no beating with sticks, no prong
collars, or choke collars. I reward dogs, I do not bribe
them. When you were good, didn't momma ever give you ice cream?

I'd get an occassional chocolate chip cookie when I was really
good, and it always came as a bonus. My dogs don't know that
they're getting a treat.

They don't expect it. They do a good job, and once in a
while, they get some CHEDDAR!

> HOWE many dogs are gonna get the chances they are in
> NORMAL HOWESES that nessa and leah and liea and marie
> have given their dogs?

You admit that Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie are not average
dog owners. If their dogs were in JQP's homes, maybe they
would be dead by now. Maybe they would be sent to new homes
again and again. But Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie aren't
going to do that.

> > You'll just take it and twist it anyway.

> EXCUSE ME jenn, your pals call my 100% successful
> students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers.

And you've still twisted it. I don't actually care what
they say about you. I do care what I think about you.

That's all that matters to me.

> And I've got a machine that CURES all animal behavior
> problems and you tell people it's a SCAM because if
> my machine works, and my method works, that means
> you and your pals are outta business.

No, but I make fun of it because, similar to you giving
veterinary advice, I don't want to see people shell out
their hard-earned cash for snake oil. I want scientific
proof, not testimonials. If I went by testimonials I'd
be broke buying every product I saw advertised on tv.

> Dog training isn't gonna be HOWE it is any longer jenn.
> Everything Jerry sez is true and proven and everything
> you believe to be true is a lie...at least about behavior

Dog training is changing every day. Good thing too, because
things *really* sucked when Koehler ran the show. That is
one point I agree with you on totally and completely.

Jenn S

--------------

You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again:


"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic,
> as well as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help.

Jerry.

----------------------------

Here's Disciple Paulie:

From: Paul B (pand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST

I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.

I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.

Remember too that we aren't trying to scare the
bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's train
of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.

Sometimes you won't even see a reaction but the dog
will have been distracted fleetingly. (Recently one
of my dogs started habitually licking my feet while
I was watching TV, I clicked my fingers on her left
side and told her "good girl" even though she only
paused her licking briefly, next I clicked over her
right side and praised, by about the 4th repeat she
suddenly stopped, I repeated this over a few nights
and now she doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions
she absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).

Timing is important too, learn to anticipate when
the dog isthinking about doing the "dirty deed"
and distract and praise then, with any luck the
dog will try again almost immediately so distract
and praise again, if the timing is correct after
about the 4th rep the dog will stop.

I could go on but this post is long enough already,
remember too that the dog isn't being a "bad dog",
it's behaviour is simply inappropriate for the
circumstances.

Happy training, :-)

Paul

-----------------------------

A DIFFERENT Jen wrote:

Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7zenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy

Jen wrote:

> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
> Jen

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3AD21A3D Free
download, nothing sold, no mailing list, no distribution
of your name. Free support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von

--------------

From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

Subject: Jerry, your surrogate toy technique
From: Jenn
Date: Wed, Jul 24 2002 12:50 am
Email: "Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca>

I've told people it worked for me in the past.
There. I'm preparing to be killfiled en masse.

Got a question. I'm going to use it to help give my dogs
freedom of the house while I'm gone instead of blocking
them in the kitchen, which I've been doing since I brought
Frodo home last year.

Frodo greets me at the door with a toy in his mouth. I
don't mind this and have no intention of stopping it.

So, what do I do when I come in if he has *the* toy in his mouth?

Simply take it away to say hi to it first? If I can't
talk to Frodo, I can't tell him to "drop it". He always
gives things up when I reach for them anyway, but if I'm
reaching for the toy from him, isn't that going to cause
a problem?

--
Jenn S


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Jerry] LONG!Re: occasional post-this
newsgroup (rest of header snipped) [Jerry] [1/2]

"Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Tit%8.40428$f05.2095331@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...

> "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:xqi%8.1336$Og3.33988@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com..>
> > HOWEDY jenn,
>
> Hello.
>
> > Ask Marilyn.
>
> I don't have to ask her. She and I have talked about
> it in the past via email. I get along very well with
> Marilyn. I really enjoyed her first book and want to
> get the second installment.
>
> > That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE,
> > jenn, cause she's got a lack of moral integrity,

> I think Marilyn's got the right attitude. She has been
> back in the group lately, and been very helpful in a
> nice way.

> You attract more flies with sugar, Jerry.

> > Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip text

> It's common courtesy. That's just the way I am ;)

> > What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post
> > here no moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him,

> He was a bit of a jerk. Even if he didn't use
> your methods he would have been ridiculed.

Nevyn, "A BIT OF A JERK", writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had
with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out
-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions
within a matter of weeks!

AND My friends have seen the success and
have asked me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today
and she was being an angel after like an hour of working
with her!

It is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way?

NO they are average joes off the street who
think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

"Nevyn" <greatd> wrote in message

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment
I dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull
coloured dogs, but after I had removed the fear
and anxiety their hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

------------------------------------

From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
Date: 2002-04-10 15:25:10 PST

I am afraid Jerry is not the one with the
psychiatric problems, Sonofabitch.

I have been talking with him for over a month and been working
with my dogs on his method and he is the most sane and logical
man I have ever known. He is gentle and has a deep spiritual
connection with nature; for this is the way he can master it.

You hurt nature, controlling it through terror. Biting your dogs
ears to leash train them? Jesus, I could do that with any dog
without harming them in 30minutes.

You are pyschiatrically ill, I am afraid. That is a problem caused
by something horrid in your childhood. Don't deny it. You deny it
because you don't want to believe it. You have no other
reason to live; therefore use Jerry as an excuse. A Vendetta.

I have been on medication and sought psychiatric help myself; does
that make me a liar?
--
Thanks,
Nevyn


=================



From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park

d*.@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?

I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.

It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.

It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.

It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.

Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.

I wish all the best to you and your dog.

Lucy

-------------------


H*@HotMail.Com
2007-04-06 18:25:05 EST
HOWEDY woodchuck bill you pathetic malignant
miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life long incurable
MENTAL CASE,

On Apr 6, 3:16 am, Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote:
> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
>> innews:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> > HOWEDY People,
>
>> > If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>> > COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>> > thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
>> > HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:

> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.

You'll be KILLFILED YOURSELF by your fellow MENTAL
PATIENTS if you QUOTE The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
And Horsey Wizard's AWARD WINNING Posts <{}: ~ ( >

> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)

> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>

> Any seconds?

> --
> Bill

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For SHORE, billy! You'll find LOTS of like minded
pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk
thug coward ignorameHOWESES like yourself RIGHT HERE!:

HOWEDY Soup,

Seems jenn's post didn't show up on my news reader. Here's
my reply to the post you're responding to. Thanks for the
top posting advice, we wouldn't want to rock the boat:

"Shifter of Paradigms" <pshi...@changethemuzzle.com> wrote
in message news:3D3D10DD.D7D94181@changethemuzzle.com...

> Howedy Jenn,
> Please don't top post. Some people in Europe get charged
> extra for top posted material.
> Thank you for cooperating.

Thank you for not buckling under the overwhelming wealth
of viciousness and stupidity from our alleged dog lovers.

Here's my reply to jenn:

HOWEDY jenn,

> Jerry] Re: occasional post-this newsgroup (rest of header
> snipped) [Jerry]

> Date: 2002-07-23 01:44:43 PST
> Note: the following post is a long response to Jerry Howe.

Imagine?

> This is to prevent people who don't care from having to read it.

Excuse me jenn, but that's not quite correct. Those "people"
who "don't care to read it" read Jerry's posts first. They're
worried about everyone else reading Jerry's posts cause
they're afraid people will GET WISE to their conspiracy
to defend koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch
choke collar training...

> Sorry if that pisses you off Jerry,

Your pals who call for killfiling Jerry are not concerned
with JERRY, they're concerned with ANY non violent trainer
who's ever posted here because they cannot justify HURTING
and KILLING dogs when there's few trainers like Jerry and
Soup and Marilyn hangin out here.

That's HOWE COME your professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its face for
5 seconds" dermer KILLFILED MARILYN for reporting an INSTANT
CURE for her destructive separation anxiety students of hers.

Marilyn's got thirty years experience training dogs and
is a student of Jerry's. You got any idea HOWE COME
our professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM would want to
KILLFILE and experienced trainer who's discovered
an INSTANT CURE for destructive separation anxiety,
jenn?

Ask Marilyn. She's never been RUDE to nobody here,
jenn. The fact is, your pals are conspirators, liars,
and dog abusers. Ask Marilyn, she'd tell you if she
wasn't afraid of OFFENDING nobody.

That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE, jenn,
cause she's got a lack of moral integrity, as I see it
in not being FORTHRIGHT about these issues so stupid
neophyte nitwits like you don't get sucked in and deceived
by our EXPERIENCED LYING DOG ABUSING COWARD THUG CONSPIRATORS.

> but you're pissed off anyway,

NOT AT YOU, jenn. I'm pissed off at Marilyn for not wanting
to upset the apple cart and LYING BY OMISSION... as to what's
goin down here on our forum.

> on so I'm really not really affecting you.

Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip
text and put NINNYBOY in the subject header so folks
who've been DECEIVED as you have won't accidentally
find out who's been LYING to them, jenn. Ask Marilyn
if you don't believe me. Go ahead...

>"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:Pz5%8.11440$LS3.2136862@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
>> Annoys? Or do you mean EMBARRASSES?
> Um, nope. If it embarrassed, I would not be responding.

We'll see. I'll go through your objections and you'll see
what I'm tellin you is the truth and you'll have NO CHOICE
but to KILLFILE JERRY because THAT IS The EPITOME
of The SYNDROME.

>> > > > Haltis and the like, as with any collar, halter,
>> > > > harness and leash, can be used improperly and is
>> > > > therefore harmful to the dog.

I see. You think discussing the GL is an acceptable subterfuge
for the real issues that perhaps you are not even aware of because
that too, IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME.

This "flame war" is NOT about Jerry jenn. Jerry is the only trainer
besides Soup who is able to withstand the constant lies abuse
email and telephone harassment and personal attacks over
teaching people to handle and train dogs WITHOUT HURTING
them. Ask marilyn, jenn. Once marilyn levels with you and your
little CHUMP CHUMS, then PERHAPS I'll reconsider entertaining
her friendship, but with a much closer eye on her INTEGRITY.

>> > > NO. That's a lie.

>> > No, it is not.

I just told you it is and I offered PROOF.

>> I just told you it is.

> We could "s'not, so" about that all night, Jerry.

NO YOU CAN'T, cause you'll KILLFILE JERRY when you
cannot answer the HARD questions, jenn. Ask professor
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer HOWE he reconciles his
scruff shake with allelomimetic behavior?

That's HOWE COME he MUST killfile Jerry and all his students.

>> > With all your talk about mishandling, how can you
>> > say that misuse of "equipment" is a lie?

The "equipment" is INTENDED BY DESIGN to INFLICT PAIN
FEAR and FORCE jenn. That GL is neither gentle nor a leader,
it's a vicious neck twister device and the INSTRUCTIONS for
their "certified" fitters is INTENDED TO BREAK the dog's
REFLEXIVE RESPONSE to being FORCES TO SUBMIT, jenn.

That's what causes hyperactivity and aggression and self
mutilation, jenn. That's HOWE COME you can't get away
punishing and choking and shocking dogs jenn, cause behaviors
are all CONNECTED, and when we REPRESS one behavior that
behavior doesn't go away as if by MAGICK as they do when
I extinguish the behavior by interrupting the thought process.

That REPRESSION causes ANXIETY to go deep within, where it
attacks the parasympathetic nervous and endocrine systems
and GETS DOGS DEAD, jenn.

IT'S CALLED The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >

Ask marilyn. She PROBABLY understands that well enough now
after having thirty sumpthin years experience professionally
training dogs and now having three years of using my methods.

Look at HOWE my students are treated here when they report
near INSTANT CURES for their dog's behavior problems, they're
called LIARS and FORGERIES by myself and PAID SHILLS FOR
JERRY and ANIMAL FUCKERS, jenn.

What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post here no
moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him, so like marilyn,
he can go fry his ass as far as Jerry's concerned. Too bad,
cause Nevyn was fixin to become a professional trainer, and
I was just about to give him my lesson plan which he's gonna
need bye and bye, and he won't be gettin it unless he asks
on our forum so you and your pals can ridicule him and call
him a liar someMOORE as they do me and Soup.

>> Because the INSTRUCTIONS for fitting the GL are INTENDED
>> to TRIGGER the opposition reflex and OVERRIDE IT with
>> PAIN FEAR and FORCE jenn....I did a report on the manufacture's
>> instructions.

> Yes, I know this. It inspired me to look into how the GL is
> fitted as used myself, and I agree with you on this.

Imagine? And that wasn't enough to make you KILLFILE Jerry?

That gravely concerns me, jenn. If you don't get angry and take
this PERSONALLY and KILLFILE Jerry cause you can't DISCUSS
the issues, that'd disprove The SYNDROME and I'm outta gas, jenn.

> Things I have said about the GL in the past are not things
> I believe anymore.

IMAGINE? And HOWE do you figure all your pals out there believing
they're being KIND to their dogs as they intimidate them by twisting
their neck under their foreleg?

> The GL, IMO, is not the non-force method it claims to be.

EXACTLY, jenn. It was designed by an NADOI trainer and
a veterinary behaviorist. These guys DESIGNED the GL
with the INTENT of triggering and overriding positive
thigmotaxis. You think their DESCRIPTION of their product
and HOWE it works is HONEST FAIR and ACCURATE, jenn?

What's it called up in Canada when we got experts LYING
about their FRAUDULENT PRODUCTS they sell, jenn?

> But I was talking about the Halti.

The Halti is significantly different, but the REASON the halti
has been designed as it is, is for 2 reasons. FIRST, the
halti guy needed to outstep the PATENT Dr. Alice DeGroote
obtained for her K-9 Kum-A-Long, and 2ndly, he wanted to
be able to apply MOORE FORCE to the dog than the original
K-9 Kum-A-Long would afford, because THAT is the NATURE
of this beast in the dog training industry.

> In your report you said that the Halti was a knock-off of the
> K-9 Kumalong, and the design is exactly the same (I checked).

Not exactly or they'd have that little issue of the patent...

> You praised the K9 Kumalong in your report, Jerry. You do
> state that they have deviated from the original intent, but if
> one sticks with the original intent, is it not a good thing?

Yes jenn. The Halti doesn't automatically trigger the opposition
reflex and intimidate the dog.

> If they do deviate from the original intent as you
> state, then is that not handler abuse?

No, that'd be the instructions, which is HOWE COME they
beefed the halter up so it's able to withstand FORCE.

> Isn't "not paying attention to a dog during training", mishandling?

The PROBLEM is the INTENT. As was clear with "broken rib,"
you'll see three incompetent traditionally trained handlers
trying to force control and inhibit their dogs lunging by paying
attention and HURTING their dogs in advance of the lunge.
That only represses the lunging so long as the handler is
ready to THREATEN the dog.

You can't have it both ways, jenn. You cannot have a
TRUSTWORTHY well trained well behaved dog and
be constantly prepared to HURT IT when his behaviors
SCARE YOU, jenn. Our pal carol levie went to SEE our
expert graduate of captain haggartey's lesson sales
school, and he sent her to his COMPETITOR so she
wouldn't need to come back here and admit that booby
could ONLY teach her to jerk and choke her dog on
a pronged spiked pinch choke collar to MAKE IT FRIENDLY,
and her dog came outta his competitors class TURNING ON
HER jenn. Figger it out, huh?

> Did you forget? Let me quote, just to remind you where
> I am getting this from: From the Halti web site: "Properly
> fitted and introduced, head halters can prevent pulling
> and shape more desirable behaviors. Using a head halter is
> a new experience for most dog handlers.
>
> Unlike the snap of a choke-chain, the head halter is most
> effective when used gently and subtly. Strength is not a
> factor, making It is highly recommended that your dog be
> fitted and you be trained in proper usage by a professional
> trainer.

> The halter is particularly appropriate for restraining and
> retraining dogs with aggression problems, especially dogs
> who lunge at people or other dogs. When used properly in
> conjunction with positive reinforcers such as treats, alternate
> behaviors (such as "look at me") become more rewarding than
> acting out towards other dogs or people."
>
> (the above paragraph is where they deviate from
> the original intent, right?-js)

===========

That's the bottom line, People. The objective of the halter
is not to FORCE control, but to gently redirect the dog, not
"GUIDE" him by force as most of our dog lovers PREFER to do.

IOW, they're BLOWIN SMOKE UP HOWER ARSES, People!

Unfortunately, they themselves have deviated
from the original intent of the K-9 Kum Along."

> > It's mishandling.

> You don't get it jenn. Just puttin on the GL is
> INTENTIONALLY INTIMDIATING by DESIGN.

And that is not mishandling? I think it is.

> I've got forty years experience training dogs everybody else
> would kill. Now I'm able to do that from sittin right here, stark
> ravin nekkit. My students are gettin 100% near instant success.

Now, how many times have I read THAT.

> you and your pals like to tell folks my methods are dangerous

I've never said that your methods were dangerous.

Others have.

I think YOU are, I'm afraid you're going to clock yourself
soon. I have also said that your medical advice is dangerous.

I feel it is better to get a vet clearance that a problem
is not medical before trying to train away a behavior problem.
If your dog messes in the house and you try to train away the
behavior, but it turns out to be pancreatitis, you have a dead
dog. I would rather spend the money on a health check first.

> and do not work

I told you when it DID work, and I told you when it didn't.

> and are stolen

I have no proof of that. I have simply been told so. One
of these days I'm going to check it out for myself, but
I do not have the time, nor inclination, at the moment.

> and I'm a con man

Never said that. I've made fun of your doggy-do-right,
because I find it hard to believe that a sound device
solves anything. You have yet to produce any peer-reviewed,
published evidence that shows otherwise.

_____________________

The "PEERS" have ALL BEEN DISCREDITED.


And AFAIK, your "testimonials" could be a result of
a placebo effect. How many have you sold? How many
testimonials do you have? How many did *not* work?

> and a liar, eh jenn?

Yup, you are a liar, the evidence is right above.

You think I've told people certain things about you that I haven't.

> > > > but I've seen them used on dogs where the
> > > > owner did not pay attention to the dog and had
> > > > it on a long leash, and the dog would see something
> > > > and run to the end of the leash, snapping its head
> > > > sideways, causing injury.

> BFD. That's not my concern. My student's dogs don't do that
> kinda stuff.

I bet they DID, before they came to you.

> You blame the people for not paying attention to the equipment
> instead of focusing on training the dog so the dog won't bolt.

No, I blame people for not paying attention to the DOG during
training. With lack of training, ANY collar/harness/halti will
harm a dog. Even the collar that we legally have to put on our
dogs so we can attach the leash. But this topic did not concern
that. It concerned Haltis, and that is what I focused on.

> > It is obvious that I blame the HANDLER for MISHANDLING the dog.

> You blame the handler for not paying attention
> to the dog to PREVENT the dog from bolting

Yes, because people often use these devices as a
*substitute* for training. They should instead be
teaching it not to bolt.

> because you don't know HOWE to train a dog
> not to bolt

Yes, I do.

> unless you're jerking and choking it on a pronged spiked
> pinch choke collar

Um, no. I'm not allowed to use prong collars at PetSmart, Jerry.

Nor do I jerk and choke.

Don't you do any research? If I did any of those things,
I'd be fired. You know all about my experience with the
prong collar, I emailed you about it years ago. So you
also know that I don't use them anymore. Not since my
first contact with you where you taught me to walk Anja
without it.

Go ahead and use this in your posts if you wish.

You will anyway, just like you recently have with
my barking testimonial, so I thought I'd just make
it official.

> like your three stoodges pals in "broken rib."

Who are "the three stooges", and how are they mine?

What was the thread "broken rib"?

I skip a lot of threads Jerry.

> Well your pal susan doesn't have a freakin clue about
> what I'm talking about because she hurts dogs to train them.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And she's not my pal.
I don't know her. She merely came up on a search for "head
halters"

> > If it prevents one single dog injury, I'll be happy.

> NO. You're CONDONING the GL

Nope, I was 1) talking about the Halti, not the GL, and
2) condoning paying attention to your dog and training
him, and not mishandling him with equipment.

> because you do not UNDERSTAND HOWE IT WORKS jenn.

> You're a freakin pet store clerk, not an experienced dog trainer.

How will I EVER gain experience unless I train dogs?

Were you born with 40 years experience? Or did your elves
bring it to you late one night? You've had these methods
for the entire 40 years? Then why did you only put out the
manual within the last few years?

> and you'll never get the experience I've had cause this
> is HOWE I've lived and worked for forty years jenn.

You're right. I won't. Not until I'm 69, anyway. But
by then you'll either be 95 or dead, and you'll still
be ahead of me. You win. You have the most toys. And
I STILL don't believe that you've been training this
exact same way for 40 years.You yourself said that
you used to smack your dogs around.

I'm not doing any more googling tonight to look for it though.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!

And if I am wrong, I will admit it.

> I don't hurt dogs to train them becasue that
> would have got someone DEAD.

A dog someone or a human someone?

> Your backwards selfish logic is what gets dogs DEAD jenn.

How?

> > Didn't point Kim to any articles on "how to use a prong
> > collar correctly", now did I? Nor will I. [Janet]She's
> > got nessa on the prong right now.

And that worries me as I don't like prongs. But Nessa is
not my student. What can I do? Nag her until she killfiles
me?

That's not the way to be heard, Jerry.

> Because you know you're dead wrong and you can't accept
> it because that'll shake your world.

My world is already shakin', baby.

You'll have to give up

> being in control. The trade off is you get 100% total non
> force control doin things my way. You get pain agony and
> death doin things your way.

Tell me Jerry, just what do you think *is* my way?

No ear/testical pinches, no beating with sticks, no prong
collars, or choke collars. I reward dogs, I do not bribe
them. When you were good, didn't momma ever give you ice cream?

I'd get an occassional chocolate chip cookie when I was really
good, and it always came as a bonus. My dogs don't know that
they're getting a treat.

They don't expect it. They do a good job, and once in a
while, they get some CHEDDAR!

> HOWE many dogs are gonna get the chances they are in
> NORMAL HOWESES that nessa and leah and liea and marie
> have given their dogs?

You admit that Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie are not average
dog owners. If their dogs were in JQP's homes, maybe they
would be dead by now. Maybe they would be sent to new homes
again and again. But Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie aren't
going to do that.

> > You'll just take it and twist it anyway.

> EXCUSE ME jenn, your pals call my 100% successful
> students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers.

And you've still twisted it. I don't actually care what
they say about you. I do care what I think about you.

That's all that matters to me.

> And I've got a machine that CURES all animal behavior
> problems and you tell people it's a SCAM because if
> my machine works, and my method works, that means
> you and your pals are outta business.

No, but I make fun of it because, similar to you giving
veterinary advice, I don't want to see people shell out
their hard-earned cash for snake oil. I want scientific
proof, not testimonials. If I went by testimonials I'd
be broke buying every product I saw advertised on tv.

> Dog training isn't gonna be HOWE it is any longer jenn.
> Everything Jerry sez is true and proven and everything
> you believe to be true is a lie...at least about behavior

Dog training is changing every day. Good thing too, because
things *really* sucked when Koehler ran the show. That is
one point I agree with you on totally and completely.

Jenn S

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You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again:


"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic,
> as well as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help.

Jerry.

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Here's Disciple Paulie:

From: Paul B (pand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST

I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.

I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.

Remember too that we aren't trying to scare the
bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's train
of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.

Sometimes you won't even see a reaction but the dog
will have been distracted fleetingly. (Recently one
of my dogs started habitually licking my feet while
I was watching TV, I clicked my fingers on her left
side and told her "good girl" even though she only
paused her licking briefly, next I clicked over her
right side and praised, by about the 4th repeat she
suddenly stopped, I repeated this over a few nights
and now she doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions
she absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).

Timing is important too, learn to anticipate when
the dog isthinking about doing the "dirty deed"
and distract and praise then, with any luck the
dog will try again almost immediately so distract
and praise again, if the timing is correct after
about the 4th rep the dog will stop.

I could go on but this post is long enough already,
remember too that the dog isn't being a "bad dog",
it's behaviour is simply inappropriate for the
circumstances.

Happy training, :-)

Paul

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A DIFFERENT Jen wrote:

Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7zenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy

Jen wrote:

> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
> Jen

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3AD21A3D Free
download, nothing sold, no mailing list, no distribution
of your name. Free support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von

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From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

Subject: Jerry, your surrogate toy technique
From: Jenn
Date: Wed, Jul 24 2002 12:50 am
Email: "Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca>

I've told people it worked for me in the past.
There. I'm preparing to be killfiled en masse.

Got a question. I'm going to use it to help give my dogs
freedom of the house while I'm gone instead of blocking
them in the kitchen, which I've been doing since I brought
Frodo home last year.

Frodo greets me at the door with a toy in his mouth. I
don't mind this and have no intention of stopping it.

So, what do I do when I come in if he has *the* toy in his mouth?

Simply take it away to say hi to it first? If I can't
talk to Frodo, I can't tell him to "drop it". He always
gives things up when I reach for them anyway, but if I'm
reaching for the toy from him, isn't that going to cause
a problem?

--
Jenn S


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Jerry] LONG!Re: occasional post-this
newsgroup (rest of header snipped) [Jerry] [1/2]

"Jenn" <dontemai...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Tit%8.40428$f05.2095331@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...

> "The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:xqi%8.1336$Og3.33988@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com..>
> > HOWEDY jenn,
>
> Hello.
>
> > Ask Marilyn.
>
> I don't have to ask her. She and I have talked about
> it in the past via email. I get along very well with
> Marilyn. I really enjoyed her first book and want to
> get the second installment.
>
> > That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE,
> > jenn, cause she's got a lack of moral integrity,

> I think Marilyn's got the right attitude. She has been
> back in the group lately, and been very helpful in a
> nice way.

> You attract more flies with sugar, Jerry.

> > Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip text

> It's common courtesy. That's just the way I am ;)

> > What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post
> > here no moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him,

> He was a bit of a jerk. Even if he didn't use
> your methods he would have been ridiculed.

Nevyn, "A BIT OF A JERK", writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had
with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out
-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions
within a matter of weeks!

AND My friends have seen the success and
have asked me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today
and she was being an angel after like an hour of working
with her!

It is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way?

NO they are average joes off the street who
think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

"Nevyn" <greatd> wrote in message

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment
I dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull
coloured dogs, but after I had removed the fear
and anxiety their hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

------------------------------------

From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
Date: 2002-04-10 15:25:10 PST

I am afraid Jerry is not the one with the
psychiatric problems, Sonofabitch.

I have been talking with him for over a month and been working
with my dogs on his method and he is the most sane and logical
man I have ever known. He is gentle and has a deep spiritual
connection with nature; for this is the way he can master it.

You hurt nature, controlling it through terror. Biting your dogs
ears to leash train them? Jesus, I could do that with any dog
without harming them in 30minutes.

You are pyschiatrically ill, I am afraid. That is a problem caused
by something horrid in your childhood. Don't deny it. You deny it
because you don't want to believe it. You have no other
reason to live; therefore use Jerry as an excuse. A Vendetta.

I have been on medication and sought psychiatric help myself; does
that make me a liar?
--
Thanks,
Nevyn


=================



From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park

d*.@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?

I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.

It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.

It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.

It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.

Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.

I wish all the best to you and your dog.

Lucy

-------------------

H*@hotmail.com
2007-04-06 18:30:47 EST
HOWEDY woodchuck bill you pathetic malignant
miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life long incurable
MENTAL CASE,

On Apr 6, 3:16 am, Woodchuck Bill <dunno@see-reply-to@wtf> wrote:
> Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory wrote
>> innews:1175026856.711465.113930@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> > HOWEDY People,
>
>> > If you READ REAL GOOD an REAL S-L-O-W you'll learn HOWE
>> > COME these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
>> > thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES
>> > HURT INTIMIDATE an MURDER dogs an LIE abHOWET IT:

> Long overdue, I nominate Jerry Howe (A.K.A.)
> "The Puppy Wizard" for Golden Killfile.

You'll be KILLFILED YOURSELF by your fellow MENTAL
PATIENTS if you QUOTE The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
And Horsey Wizard's AWARD WINNING Posts <{}: ~ ( >

> (note the 2838 lines of quoted scr33d)

> <http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html>

> Any seconds?

> --
> Bill

--------------

For SHORE, billy! You'll find LOTS of like minded
pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal abusin punk
thug coward ignorameHOWESES like yourself RIGHT HERE!:

HOWEDY Soup,

Seems jenn's post didn't show up on my news reader. Here's
my reply to the post you're responding to. Thanks for the
top posting advice, we wouldn't want to rock the boat:

"Shifter of Paradigms" <pshi...@changethemuzzle.com> wrote
in message news:3D3D10DD.D7D94181@changethemuzzle.com...

> Howedy Jenn,
> Please don't top post. Some people in Europe get charged
> extra for top posted material.
> Thank you for cooperating.

Thank you for not buckling under the overwhelming wealth
of viciousness and stupidity from our alleged dog lovers.

Here's my reply to jenn:

HOWEDY jenn,

> Jerry] Re: occasional post-this newsgroup (rest of header
> snipped) [Jerry]

> Date: 2002-07-23 01:44:43 PST
> Note: the following post is a long response to Jerry Howe.

Imagine?

> This is to prevent people who don't care from having to read it.

Excuse me jenn, but that's not quite correct. Those "people"
who "don't care to read it" read Jerry's posts first. They're
worried about everyone else reading Jerry's posts cause
they're afraid people will GET WISE to their conspiracy
to defend koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch
choke collar training...

> Sorry if that pisses you off Jerry,

Your pals who call for killfiling Jerry are not concerned
with JERRY, they're concerned with ANY non violent trainer
who's ever posted here because they cannot justify HURTING
and KILLING dogs when there's few trainers like Jerry and
Soup and Marilyn hangin out here.

That's HOWE COME your professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its face for
5 seconds" dermer KILLFILED MARILYN for reporting an INSTANT
CURE for her destructive separation anxiety students of hers.

Marilyn's got thirty years experience training dogs and
is a student of Jerry's. You got any idea HOWE COME
our professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM would want to
KILLFILE and experienced trainer who's discovered
an INSTANT CURE for destructive separation anxiety,
jenn?

Ask Marilyn. She's never been RUDE to nobody here,
jenn. The fact is, your pals are conspirators, liars,
and dog abusers. Ask Marilyn, she'd tell you if she
wasn't afraid of OFFENDING nobody.

That's HOWE COME I don't speak to marilyn noMOORE, jenn,
cause she's got a lack of moral integrity, as I see it
in not being FORTHRIGHT about these issues so stupid
neophyte nitwits like you don't get sucked in and deceived
by our EXPERIENCED LYING DOG ABUSING COWARD THUG CONSPIRATORS.

> but you're pissed off anyway,

NOT AT YOU, jenn. I'm pissed off at Marilyn for not wanting
to upset the apple cart and LYING BY OMISSION... as to what's
goin down here on our forum.

> on so I'm really not really affecting you.

Our dog lovers want you to trim cross posts and snip
text and put NINNYBOY in the subject header so folks
who've been DECEIVED as you have won't accidentally
find out who's been LYING to them, jenn. Ask Marilyn
if you don't believe me. Go ahead...

>"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:Pz5%8.11440$LS3.2136862@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
>> Annoys? Or do you mean EMBARRASSES?
> Um, nope. If it embarrassed, I would not be responding.

We'll see. I'll go through your objections and you'll see
what I'm tellin you is the truth and you'll have NO CHOICE
but to KILLFILE JERRY because THAT IS The EPITOME
of The SYNDROME.

>> > > > Haltis and the like, as with any collar, halter,
>> > > > harness and leash, can be used improperly and is
>> > > > therefore harmful to the dog.

I see. You think discussing the GL is an acceptable subterfuge
for the real issues that perhaps you are not even aware of because
that too, IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME.

This "flame war" is NOT about Jerry jenn. Jerry is the only trainer
besides Soup who is able to withstand the constant lies abuse
email and telephone harassment and personal attacks over
teaching people to handle and train dogs WITHOUT HURTING
them. Ask marilyn, jenn. Once marilyn levels with you and your
little CHUMP CHUMS, then PERHAPS I'll reconsider entertaining
her friendship, but with a much closer eye on her INTEGRITY.

>> > > NO. That's a lie.

>> > No, it is not.

I just told you it is and I offered PROOF.

>> I just told you it is.

> We could "s'not, so" about that all night, Jerry.

NO YOU CAN'T, cause you'll KILLFILE JERRY when you
cannot answer the HARD questions, jenn. Ask professor
lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer HOWE he reconciles his
scruff shake with allelomimetic behavior?

That's HOWE COME he MUST killfile Jerry and all his students.

>> > With all your talk about mishandling, how can you
>> > say that misuse of "equipment" is a lie?

The "equipment" is INTENDED BY DESIGN to INFLICT PAIN
FEAR and FORCE jenn. That GL is neither gentle nor a leader,
it's a vicious neck twister device and the INSTRUCTIONS for
their "certified" fitters is INTENDED TO BREAK the dog's
REFLEXIVE RESPONSE to being FORCES TO SUBMIT, jenn.

That's what causes hyperactivity and aggression and self
mutilation, jenn. That's HOWE COME you can't get away
punishing and choking and shocking dogs jenn, cause behaviors
are all CONNECTED, and when we REPRESS one behavior that
behavior doesn't go away as if by MAGICK as they do when
I extinguish the behavior by interrupting the thought process.

That REPRESSION causes ANXIETY to go deep within, where it
attacks the parasympathetic nervous and endocrine systems
and GETS DOGS DEAD, jenn.

IT'S CALLED The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >

Ask marilyn. She PROBABLY understands that well enough now
after having thirty sumpthin years experience professionally
training dogs and now having three years of using my methods.

Look at HOWE my students are treated here when they report
near INSTANT CURES for their dog's behavior problems, they're
called LIARS and FORGERIES by myself and PAID SHILLS FOR
JERRY and ANIMAL FUCKERS, jenn.

What's up with that, jenn? Ask Nevyn. He won't post here no
moore for your dog lover pals to ridicule him, so like marilyn,
he can go fry his ass as far as Jerry's concerned. Too bad,
cause Nevyn was fixin to become a professional trainer, and
I was just about to give him my lesson plan which he's gonna
need bye and bye, and he won't be gettin it unless he asks
on our forum so you and your pals can ridicule him and call
him a liar someMOORE as they do me and Soup.

>> Because the INSTRUCTIONS for fitting the GL are INTENDED
>> to TRIGGER the opposition reflex and OVERRIDE IT with
>> PAIN FEAR and FORCE jenn....I did a report on the manufacture's
>> instructions.

> Yes, I know this. It inspired me to look into how the GL is
> fitted as used myself, and I agree with you on this.

Imagine? And that wasn't enough to make you KILLFILE Jerry?

That gravely concerns me, jenn. If you don't get angry and take
this PERSONALLY and KILLFILE Jerry cause you can't DISCUSS
the issues, that'd disprove The SYNDROME and I'm outta gas, jenn.

> Things I have said about the GL in the past are not things
> I believe anymore.

IMAGINE? And HOWE do you figure all your pals out there believing
they're being KIND to their dogs as they intimidate them by twisting
their neck under their foreleg?

> The GL, IMO, is not the non-force method it claims to be.

EXACTLY, jenn. It was designed by an NADOI trainer and
a veterinary behaviorist. These guys DESIGNED the GL
with the INTENT of triggering and overriding positive
thigmotaxis. You think their DESCRIPTION of their product
and HOWE it works is HONEST FAIR and ACCURATE, jenn?

What's it called up in Canada when we got experts LYING
about their FRAUDULENT PRODUCTS they sell, jenn?

> But I was talking about the Halti.

The Halti is significantly different, but the REASON the halti
has been designed as it is, is for 2 reasons. FIRST, the
halti guy needed to outstep the PATENT Dr. Alice DeGroote
obtained for her K-9 Kum-A-Long, and 2ndly, he wanted to
be able to apply MOORE FORCE to the dog than the original
K-9 Kum-A-Long would afford, because THAT is the NATURE
of this beast in the dog training industry.

> In your report you said that the Halti was a knock-off of the
> K-9 Kumalong, and the design is exactly the same (I checked).

Not exactly or they'd have that little issue of the patent...

> You praised the K9 Kumalong in your report, Jerry. You do
> state that they have deviated from the original intent, but if
> one sticks with the original intent, is it not a good thing?

Yes jenn. The Halti doesn't automatically trigger the opposition
reflex and intimidate the dog.

> If they do deviate from the original intent as you
> state, then is that not handler abuse?

No, that'd be the instructions, which is HOWE COME they
beefed the halter up so it's able to withstand FORCE.

> Isn't "not paying attention to a dog during training", mishandling?

The PROBLEM is the INTENT. As was clear with "broken rib,"
you'll see three incompetent traditionally trained handlers
trying to force control and inhibit their dogs lunging by paying
attention and HURTING their dogs in advance of the lunge.
That only represses the lunging so long as the handler is
ready to THREATEN the dog.

You can't have it both ways, jenn. You cannot have a
TRUSTWORTHY well trained well behaved dog and
be constantly prepared to HURT IT when his behaviors
SCARE YOU, jenn. Our pal carol levie went to SEE our
expert graduate of captain haggartey's lesson sales
school, and he sent her to his COMPETITOR so she
wouldn't need to come back here and admit that booby
could ONLY teach her to jerk and choke her dog on
a pronged spiked pinch choke collar to MAKE IT FRIENDLY,
and her dog came outta his competitors class TURNING ON
HER jenn. Figger it out, huh?

> Did you forget? Let me quote, just to remind you where
> I am getting this from: From the Halti web site: "Properly
> fitted and introduced, head halters can prevent pulling
> and shape more desirable behaviors. Using a head halter is
> a new experience for most dog handlers.
>
> Unlike the snap of a choke-chain, the head halter is most
> effective when used gently and subtly. Strength is not a
> factor, making It is highly recommended that your dog be
> fitted and you be trained in proper usage by a professional
> trainer.

> The halter is particularly appropriate for restraining and
> retraining dogs with aggression problems, especially dogs
> who lunge at people or other dogs. When used properly in
> conjunction with positive reinforcers such as treats, alternate
> behaviors (such as "look at me") become more rewarding than
> acting out towards other dogs or people."
>
> (the above paragraph is where they deviate from
> the original intent, right?-js)

===========

That's the bottom line, People. The objective of the halter
is not to FORCE control, but to gently redirect the dog, not
"GUIDE" him by force as most of our dog lovers PREFER to do.

IOW, they're BLOWIN SMOKE UP HOWER ARSES, People!

Unfortunately, they themselves have deviated
from the original intent of the K-9 Kum Along."

> > It's mishandling.

> You don't get it jenn. Just puttin on the GL is
> INTENTIONALLY INTIMDIATING by DESIGN.

And that is not mishandling? I think it is.

> I've got forty years experience training dogs everybody else
> would kill. Now I'm able to do that from sittin right here, stark
> ravin nekkit. My students are gettin 100% near instant success.

Now, how many times have I read THAT.

> you and your pals like to tell folks my methods are dangerous

I've never said that your methods were dangerous.

Others have.

I think YOU are, I'm afraid you're going to clock yourself
soon. I have also said that your medical advice is dangerous.

I feel it is better to get a vet clearance that a problem
is not medical before trying to train away a behavior problem.
If your dog messes in the house and you try to train away the
behavior, but it turns out to be pancreatitis, you have a dead
dog. I would rather spend the money on a health check first.

> and do not work

I told you when it DID work, and I told you when it didn't.

> and are stolen

I have no proof of that. I have simply been told so. One
of these days I'm going to check it out for myself, but
I do not have the time, nor inclination, at the moment.

> and I'm a con man

Never said that. I've made fun of your doggy-do-right,
because I find it hard to believe that a sound device
solves anything. You have yet to produce any peer-reviewed,
published evidence that shows otherwise.

_____________________

The "PEERS" have ALL BEEN DISCREDITED.


And AFAIK, your "testimonials" could be a result of
a placebo effect. How many have you sold? How many
testimonials do you have? How many did *not* work?

> and a liar, eh jenn?

Yup, you are a liar, the evidence is right above.

You think I've told people certain things about you that I haven't.

> > > > but I've seen them used on dogs where the
> > > > owner did not pay attention to the dog and had
> > > > it on a long leash, and the dog would see something
> > > > and run to the end of the leash, snapping its head
> > > > sideways, causing injury.

> BFD. That's not my concern. My student's dogs don't do that
> kinda stuff.

I bet they DID, before they came to you.

> You blame the people for not paying attention to the equipment
> instead of focusing on training the dog so the dog won't bolt.

No, I blame people for not paying attention to the DOG during
training. With lack of training, ANY collar/harness/halti will
harm a dog. Even the collar that we legally have to put on our
dogs so we can attach the leash. But this topic did not concern
that. It concerned Haltis, and that is what I focused on.

> > It is obvious that I blame the HANDLER for MISHANDLING the dog.

> You blame the handler for not paying attention
> to the dog to PREVENT the dog from bolting

Yes, because people often use these devices as a
*substitute* for training. They should instead be
teaching it not to bolt.

> because you don't know HOWE to train a dog
> not to bolt

Yes, I do.

> unless you're jerking and choking it on a pronged spiked
> pinch choke collar

Um, no. I'm not allowed to use prong collars at PetSmart, Jerry.

Nor do I jerk and choke.

Don't you do any research? If I did any of those things,
I'd be fired. You know all about my experience with the
prong collar, I emailed you about it years ago. So you
also know that I don't use them anymore. Not since my
first contact with you where you taught me to walk Anja
without it.

Go ahead and use this in your posts if you wish.

You will anyway, just like you recently have with
my barking testimonial, so I thought I'd just make
it official.

> like your three stoodges pals in "broken rib."

Who are "the three stooges", and how are they mine?

What was the thread "broken rib"?

I skip a lot of threads Jerry.

> Well your pal susan doesn't have a freakin clue about
> what I'm talking about because she hurts dogs to train them.

Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And she's not my pal.
I don't know her. She merely came up on a search for "head
halters"

> > If it prevents one single dog injury, I'll be happy.

> NO. You're CONDONING the GL

Nope, I was 1) talking about the Halti, not the GL, and
2) condoning paying attention to your dog and training
him, and not mishandling him with equipment.

> because you do not UNDERSTAND HOWE IT WORKS jenn.

> You're a freakin pet store clerk, not an experienced dog trainer.

How will I EVER gain experience unless I train dogs?

Were you born with 40 years experience? Or did your elves
bring it to you late one night? You've had these methods
for the entire 40 years? Then why did you only put out the
manual within the last few years?

> and you'll never get the experience I've had cause this
> is HOWE I've lived and worked for forty years jenn.

You're right. I won't. Not until I'm 69, anyway. But
by then you'll either be 95 or dead, and you'll still
be ahead of me. You win. You have the most toys. And
I STILL don't believe that you've been training this
exact same way for 40 years.You yourself said that
you used to smack your dogs around.

I'm not doing any more googling tonight to look for it though.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!

And if I am wrong, I will admit it.

> I don't hurt dogs to train them becasue that
> would have got someone DEAD.

A dog someone or a human someone?

> Your backwards selfish logic is what gets dogs DEAD jenn.

How?

> > Didn't point Kim to any articles on "how to use a prong
> > collar correctly", now did I? Nor will I. [Janet]She's
> > got nessa on the prong right now.

And that worries me as I don't like prongs. But Nessa is
not my student. What can I do? Nag her until she killfiles
me?

That's not the way to be heard, Jerry.

> Because you know you're dead wrong and you can't accept
> it because that'll shake your world.

My world is already shakin', baby.

You'll have to give up

> being in control. The trade off is you get 100% total non
> force control doin things my way. You get pain agony and
> death doin things your way.

Tell me Jerry, just what do you think *is* my way?

No ear/testical pinches, no beating with sticks, no prong
collars, or choke collars. I reward dogs, I do not bribe
them. When you were good, didn't momma ever give you ice cream?

I'd get an occassional chocolate chip cookie when I was really
good, and it always came as a bonus. My dogs don't know that
they're getting a treat.

They don't expect it. They do a good job, and once in a
while, they get some CHEDDAR!

> HOWE many dogs are gonna get the chances they are in
> NORMAL HOWESES that nessa and leah and liea and marie
> have given their dogs?

You admit that Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie are not average
dog owners. If their dogs were in JQP's homes, maybe they
would be dead by now. Maybe they would be sent to new homes
again and again. But Nessa, Leah, Lia, and Marie aren't
going to do that.

> > You'll just take it and twist it anyway.

> EXCUSE ME jenn, your pals call my 100% successful
> students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers.

And you've still twisted it. I don't actually care what
they say about you. I do care what I think about you.

That's all that matters to me.

> And I've got a machine that CURES all animal behavior
> problems and you tell people it's a SCAM because if
> my machine works, and my method works, that means
> you and your pals are outta business.

No, but I make fun of it because, similar to you giving
veterinary advice, I don't want to see people shell out
their hard-earned cash for snake oil. I want scientific
proof, not testimonials. If I went by testimonials I'd
be broke buying every product I saw advertised on tv.

> Dog training isn't gonna be HOWE it is any longer jenn.
> Everything Jerry sez is true and proven and everything
> you believe to be true is a lie...at least about behavior

Dog training is changing every day. Good thing too, because
things *really* sucked when Koehler ran the show. That is
one point I agree with you on totally and completely.

Jenn S

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You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again:


"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic,
> as well as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me kn