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Bill Plast
2005-11-04 20:41:01 EST
http://www.newsbackup.com/about442131-0-asc-0.html&sid=005d713967ac4bafc38e587c47ae96eb

Just go to this site and follow the instructions. You'll never see his crap
again. He goes by a few other names so you'll have to delete them too!

Good Luck!

JCK



P*@MuchoMail.Com
2005-11-05 13:23:22 EST
HOWEDY bill,

Bill Plast wrote:
>
> block the "wizard"
> http://www.newsbackup.com/about442131-0-asc-0.
> html&sid=005d713967ac4bafc38e587c47ae96eb
>
> Just go to this site and follow the instructions.

Thank you, bill!

> You'll never see his crap again.

UNLESS someWON QUOTES HIM quoting YOU
HURTING dogs and LYIN abHOWET it, billy.

> He goes by a few other names so you'll
> have to delete them too!

OtherWIZE you'll be EMBARRASSED TO DEATH, billy.

> Good Luck!

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, billy. You HURT
and INTIMDIATE dogs and LIE abHOWET it.

> JCK

Here's your ADVICE:

Subject: crates and "pinch" collars

Crating is a great method of home-training
and pinch collars DO NOT PINCH......

When pinch collars are adjusted properly, all
they do is provide discomfort (tightness) in
the neck area.

I've worn it myself and there was never ever
ANY pain, even when it was pulled tightly.

Dogs are pack animals and also enjoy solitude.

It's amazing to see my 3YO Boxer spend much time
in his crate with the door open (free to come
and go). He'd rather sleep in his crate than on
the couch or a nice comfortable rug.

Privacy is a must for dogs, just like
it it is for us "Human Folk".

Please do not be afraid to crate-train your dog.

It is a wonderful method and your dog will
love you for it in the end.

Bill Plast

--------------

Your dog HIDES in his crate and PREFERS NOT
to be on the couch with you on accHOWENT of
YOU ABUSE HIM, billy. Dogs FEEL SAFE in their
crates like a child hiding under the blanket
from the BOOGEYMAN.

That INCREASES their PHOBIAS and CAUSES obsessive
compulsive disorders and STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >


From: "Bill Plast" <A...@houston.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:53:14 GMT

Subject: Re: What would be a suitable dog??

I'm not too sure about a Chow-Chow. They can really
have an unsure temper if not raised properly. Do you
have time to raise it? It seems you are gone a lot
of the time. If you get a rescued one, make sure it
is good with children.

-----------

A DOG IS A DOG, billy. Dogs DO NOT have "UNSURE
TEMPERAMENTS" if you DON'T HURT CRATE and INTIMDIATE
them, billy.

Subject: no bite rule

Group,

Dogs are such creatures of habit. They learn
by repetiveness...Like Pavlov's dog with the bell
and the salivation experiment.

Continous "no bite" in a firm tone and forward voice
with the removal of the hand will eventually work.

The "tone" of the voice makes the animal think twice
and stop, just as if a person yells loudly at one of
us to get our attention..

You can use any command...like......"big top", or
""kung fu". The dog hears this command and departs
from the situation if done repeatedly and correctly.

As far as habit and hearing goes, if your dog was named
Spike..and you called "Mike"...he or she would come.

They learn from repitition and repetition goes a
long way with our canine friends!

------------

It takes MINUTES to install ANY command or
EXXXTINGUISH ANY behavior using effective
non physical conditioning, billy. You HURT
and INTIMDIATE dogs and THAT'S HOWE COME
you can't TRAIN them not to bite NEARLY
INSTANTLY, billy <{); ~ ) >

"Ned" <komod...@rogers.com wrote in message

Hi ! Our black lab girl is 3 months old
(she will be 4 months on the 30th).

When we first brought her home she had a bad habit
of trying to nip our faces (including my 3 year old
twins) during playtime.

It drove everyone in the house nuts and it brought
my little girls to tears as you can imagine.

We tried saying no, and that would just get her
even more excited, so we would yell no and that
would just get her "scared" but still excited.

In short it just wasn't working.

So we finally did what Jerry has suggested to you.

We used a sound do distract her and we would
immediately praise her. I have to say that it
worked great.

BUT she then moved on to nipping at the feet

LOL silly little thing.

So again, we tried no, and then louder no, but
again it didn't work so we went for the distraction
and praise. I must say that she is doing great!

I hope that helps.

Edyta aka Ned

===================

From: Becky (Becky...@new.rr.com) Subject:
Re: Crate Anxiety Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST

Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out
his Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster
Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) machine....
it is for this.

Please do not listen to the others in here that don't
like him or his methods, they have never tried them....
I have and it works!!!!

I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and
she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually
makes my kids bleed!

Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above
website also, and it is free!

Becky

===========


"Jerome Bigge" <jbi...@novagate.net wrote in message news:

I've read over Jerry Howe's "Wit's End Dog Training
Manual" now several times. And while everyone will
get something a bit different from it, I found that
his "hot & cold" exercise (first part of manual) is
in my opinion the "key" to the entire thing.

Once you have taught your dog (puppy) to keep an
"eye on you", then the rest of its training (come,
etc) becomes much easier.

Additionally Jerry does pointout "why" dogs do the
things that they do.

So even if you don't like Jerry's posts, you might
like to download his manual (it's free, after all!)
and give it a look over.

You might learn something.

My Boston Terrier puppy would chew up the newspaper
until I used the techniques in Jerry Howe's manual
to train her not to do it.

Simple distraction and praise. You may not agree with
all he says, but the manual is well worth reading even
if you don't use all of it.

Jerome Bigge NRA Life Member
Supporter of National Health Insurance
CompTIA A Certified Computer Technician
Author of the "Warlady" & "Wartime" series.
Download at "http://members.tripod.com/~jbigge"

=================

rom: "N < To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:46 PM Subject:
Re: Shadow

Hey, Thanks so much for this morning, your patience
is otherworldly ! That was such a hectic time, I
forgot that T was off to work this morning and he
usually calls on me to help get him out the door,
than M woke up, and well, you got a feel for it !

Which is probably good actually, I bet there was
a lot of insight gained. (It's usually much calmer
around here) Now back to Shadow.

WOW !

Not a "new dog" yet. But really so much calmer !

I took on the big challenge of "THE BROOM" now
that's a real attention getter for her. But IT
WORKED ! She settled down near by and let me sweep !

She had a couple bouts of grabbing my pants with her
teeth, and a few times she wanted to gnaw on me, but
she settled down and gave up pretty quickly.

AND it's 5:45 here, her time to totally lose it, and
she's out back with T and M playing calmly near M,
coming in to check on me periodically, and only peed
in my office once today.

So, do you have old smashed soda cans all over your
house (we keep one or more in each room) or did you
fashion a classier version ? Hey, thanks again, I'll
let you know HOWE it's going.

Hugs, and big sloppy wet doggy kisses, N & Co.



"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have Done
This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years Of Dealing
With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!, Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message
news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I
> am trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while ago about
> trying to walk my dog without the pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash. We have been
> doing this technique you recommend for about a half an
> hour now and the results are already fantastic, as well
> as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there, and Anya kept
> trying to head out to the sidewalk. When I didn't follow,
> she came and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk, but we came in
> after about 30 seconds. She stopped and looked at me as
> if she were thinking, "What? But we just got out here!" The
> second and third times, she was even MORE eager when
> she saw the leash, and I got the same look when I turned
> around to go back in. The fourth time, she just bounced a
> bit as she walked to the door with me, and sat nicely to
> wait until I hooked up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it usually
happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have done
> this a long time ago saving myself 5 years of dealing
> with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy because
we are not challenging the dog or calling our attention
to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though. I have a
> lot of problems there, but it is all ME. I have been so
> conditioned to "correct" her, that I still find myself
> yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working in the yard
> without distractions, because I honestly don't know what
> will happen if she sees another dog and I won't have the
> pinch collar to keep her from dragging me over for a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back yard is not
preferable, because that causes them some anxiety
because it's their free area. But with your dog and with
the difficulty he is to handle, I don't see any reason you
shouldn't do the Family Leadership Exercise and the
come command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's hook and don't
> take the pinch collar, her excitement to go for a walk is NO
> LONGER combined with the intense fear I used to see in
> her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch collar
works by overriding the opposition reflex through fear
and that cause tremendous stress and anxiety that
must be released through anxiety relief mechanisms
like barking, digging, whining, chewing, self mutilation
and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled fear in my
> beautiful dog just for the sake that I didn't know how
> to train. Well, I still don't know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more suggestions
> if you saw something I could be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with your dog.
Just getting the Hot And Cold Exercise and the Family
Leadership Exercise and the come command installed
will solve most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We can speak
over that if you are set up for it, and I can demonstrate
the timing and tone and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to pick up and
handle the lead in a relaxed manner, no white knuckles,
keep your elbow relaxed and your arm down at your side
with the length of the lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help. Jerry.


From: BNTDO...@aol.com
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."


Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day.

Major break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training
is Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was diagnosed
aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by my side where
he belongs.

Thank you so much.
Kay

===================

Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<*.@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer


Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."

HOWEDY People,

Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.

> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.

> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.

> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.

> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.

This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

"*.@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400

You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.

I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.

This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!

The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.

Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.

A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.

Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.

The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.

The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.

They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)

Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.

It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.

One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!

Even Skinner understood this!

And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.

Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!

Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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Dallygirl
2005-11-19 04:07:34 EST
whats going on with this "wizard" ive been reading through some of his
posts and its all garbage. ppl seem afraid of him why? he repeats the same
phrases and threats over and over.



T*@AniMail.Net
2005-11-19 16:48:33 EST
HOWEDY dallygirl,

dallygirl wrote:
> whats going on with this "wizard"

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED nearly EVERY EXXXPERT in the field
of behavior and auto-immune system mediated DIS-EASE <{) ; ~ ) >

> ive been reading through some of his posts

Good for you, dallygirl.

> and its all garbage.

CITES PLEASE? The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you're
nuthin but a self serving lying dog abusing FRAUD.

> ppl seem afraid of him why?

On accHOWENT of EVERY THING The Amazing Puppy
Wizard SEZ is TRUE, dallygirl <{) ; ~ ) >

> he repeats the same phrases

You mean, STUFF like "YOU'RE KILLIN your dogs and children"?

> and threats over and over.

CITES PLEASE?

Oh, bye the bye, you can't post here abHOWETS nodoGdamnedmore <{) ; ~ )
>

Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<*.@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer


Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."

HOWEDY People,

Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.

> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.

> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.

> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.

> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.

This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

"*.@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400

You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.

I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.

This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!

The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.

Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.

A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.

Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.

The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.

The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.

They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)

Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.

It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.

One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!

Even Skinner understood this!

And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.

Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!

Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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P*@MuchoMail.Com
2005-11-20 05:30:00 EST
HOWEDY grant,

Pawman wrote:
> It's quite pathetic to see Jerry posting supposedly unsolicited emails
> of recommendation when those emails by their very content show that
> Jerry has asked them to post or he has actually written them himself.

You're a lyin dog abusing mental case, grant. EVERY CASE HISTORY of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Student can be VERIFIED and
you
know it. IN FACT, your BUSINESS PARTNER alphalpha sweeny hung up on
Nevyn
when HE invited him HOWET to his HOWES to observe him using The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method and Doggy Do Right Machine <{); ~ ) >

> Poor old jerry and his messiah complex.

You're a dog abusing punk thug coward, grant.

> He's STILL calling everyone else on the planet a lying dog abuser
> and animal killer....

AND PROVIN IT, grant.

> if he keeps it up for another 20 years he may actually succeed in
> convincing himself. Luckily no porfessionals take him seriously.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

> Jerry has no credentials although he would have you believe otherwise.

You're a fraud a liar a dog abuser and a coward and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard has PROVEN it, grant.

> His only way to attempt to elevate himself in the eyes of the novices
> is to try dismally to discredit the professionals in the vain hope that
> those who don't know any better will think that because he discredits
> the professionals (attempts to that is) that he must know what he is
> talking about.

IT'S ALL IN YOUR OWN WORDS, grant. You're a dog abusing coward.

> Nothing could be further from the truth.

You're a dog abusing lying mental case and fraud, grant.

> The man can barely write in English which I'm sure is a reflection
> of his grade school education. His fascination with inserting his
> own name into words within his posts shows where his true focus lays.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard came here to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
you and your dog abusing punk thug coward mental case pals, grant.

> I wasn't joking about the Messiah complex!

INDEED. It comes with the terrortory.

> Jerry personally accused me of several criminal offences

AND PROVEN IT, grant. REMEMBER?

> including major fraud, murder, dog abuse and countless other fairy
> stories that he swore he had proof of (don't forget to leave your
> one remaining tooth under your pillow for the Tooth Fairy jerry) but
> when I took him to task and told him to either put up or shut up he
> did what he usually does..... nothing.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is fixin to drop the hammer on
the entire industry at WON time, startin with YOU, grant.

> I begged him to report my alledged actions to the authorities,

Stick arHOWEND.

> that way he would have to substantiate what he has said or show himself
> to be exactly what he accuses other people of being.... a liar.

You can deny it all you LIKE, grant. Your own POSTED CASE HISTORY
PROVES IT.

> As usual he proved by his inability to act that he has no factual basis
> behind anything he says.

EXXXCEPT for your own POSTED CASE HISTORIES...

> I laughed out loud when one of jerrys supposed supporters wrote that
> they were using a particular method that wasn't working and then they
> read jerrys manual and they tried a different method and then
> miraculously it worked..... it would however have had a lot more
> credibility if the two methods were different :)

Perhaps you're refering to Deltone NOT FOLLOWIN THE METHOD, grant?

> Why are jerrys posts so long?

On accHOWENT of HE CITES CASE HISTORIES, grant.

> Well if you take out his own surname they are half the size.

Does it cost you EXXXTRA?

> If you take out everything that isn't substantiated

It's ALL substantiated, grant.

> by anything other than his own rantings

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<*.@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer


Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

> then they are a quarter of the size.

Could be even LESS, grant. The Amazing Puppy Wizard can answer
ANY question on behavior by simply QUOTING HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student's CASE HISTORIES, grant.

> If you take out all the attempts to raise his status by
> denegrating the professionals

You mean the lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases like
yourself?

> then that means that most of his posts are only one word in length.. "Howedy"

INDEEDY.

> ....... oh hang on, that's got his name in it.... so that means his
> posts only have one word in them..... "dy"'.... wow, perhaps jerrys
> a mind reader too.

PERHAPS... PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME HE answers questions IN ADVANCE???

> To the novices, reading jerrys posts will just lower the tome of this
> list for you. If you ignore jerry as the professionals on this list
> do, there are other members of this list who are not rude or abusive.

But THEY AIN'T GOT NO ADVICE other than HURT and MURDER innocent
defenseless dumb critters like you do, grant.

> We all tried just ignoring him initially

That so?

> but his mentality is such that he cannot resist targeting anyone who
> has any credibility and true professionals value their credibility so
> it is normal for professionals to respond to any normal person who
> questions their integrity..... note I did say 'normal'.

Let's talk abHOWET "Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of
Correction To A Level Where The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus
Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The
Future."

That's YOU hurtin and intimidating defenseless dumb critters, grant.

> After a few posts you will see that jerry is
> anything but normal, hell the mans not even sane!

ONLY MENTAL CASES HURT INNOCENT DEFENSELESS DUMB CRITTERS, grant.
That'd put The Amazing Puppy Wizard into the MENTAL CASE category
IF you was INNOCENT. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> If you want serious help post your query to this list and then ask
> people to reply to you directly.

RIGHT! OtherWIZE they get CRUCIFIED by The Amazing Puppy Wizard when
HE CITES THEIR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORIES, grant.

> It becomes very hard to take this list seriously as a professional
> forum with the likes of jerry spoiling it for all.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard can do ANY THING HE LIKES on HIS FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums, Grant.

> I've given up speaking to the idiot directly,

INDEED. On accHOWENT of EVERY TIME you talk dogs you HURT them.

> he fails to answer any direct questions, if that's because he refuses
> to expose himself as a fraud or he just does not understand those
> questions, who knows?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students KNOW, grant. And
they SEZ SO RIGHT HERE. REMEMBER? YOU CALL THEM FORGERIES.

BWEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

> His opening gambit in any communication is to viciously attack

INDEED. Kinda makes HIM FEEL like a schoolyard bully, eh grant???

> and accuse,

YOU MEAN QUOTE, grant: "Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different
Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of
Correction To A Level Where The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus
Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The
Future."

That's YOU hurtin and intimidating defenseless dumb critters, grant.

> both of these being uncalled for

The Amazing Puppy Wizard likes to neutralize the "competition"
and THEN HURT them somemore, grant.

> and totally unsubstantiated.

You keep sayin that. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will NHOWE QUOTE
WON of your BUSINESS PARTNERS CUSTOMERS:


From: "mjc" <goo...@matt.matt.name>
Date: 17 Oct 2005 15:50:42 -0700

i do feel ripped off about what he told me about the dogs though.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when the dogs were handed to me i
was told things about their history by sweeney which are simply untrue,

thinngs which have been refuted by the raaf husbandry section.

i feel ripped off that when i got handed the dog i had to wash him
three times to get the fleas off him and the water was still rinsing
blood red.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when i asked about the worming and
vaccinations i was told "dogs in the wild dont get wormed" by the
person who was taking care of the dog.

i feel ripped off by the fact that a year after i got the dogs i still
had no birthdates or vetinary records despite my repeated requests to
sweeney.

if i bought a car and it was fucked, why would i be defending the
people who sold it to me? id be running around telling everyone who is
considering buying a car to steer clear of that dude.

as for going off every weekend to train, i have 50+ acres, i can train
whenever i feel like, and we do, and for what its worth, 20 or 30
kangaroos and wallabys bounding across the paddock make for a great
distraction when doing a track, i certainly dont encourage my dogs to
go after them."

THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER HE'S TALKIN ABHOWET, grant:
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When you lie with
PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em," The Puppy Wizard's
DADDY <{); - ) >

> One thing about dog lovers is that they are generally nice people.....

That so? THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES THEIR OWN
POSTED CASE HISTORIES of HURTING INTIMIDATING and MURDERING innocnet
defenseless dumb critters. Like your own, FOR EXXXAMPLE, grant.

> I have not ever read a post from jerry where there has been anything
> remotely 'nice' about him or anything he has to say.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard didn't come here to MAKE PALS with LYING
DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASES, grant, HE CAME HERE to
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT them, startin with YOU and your
BUSINESS PARTNER alphalpha sweeny <{); ~ ) >

> Trust your own judgement people...

Here's a couple of your own Aussis who've been TALKIN BUSINESS
with YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER alphalpha sweeny:

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Alpha" <sween...@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:30:34 +1000

Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

As usual freak you show very little knowledge
of dogs and handlers, you no doubt still line
bait dogs and say look how tough they are.

I breed train and work with very hard stable
dogs, and they are malinuts and rotts.

If the mallies are so piss weak why are they
the only dogs deployed O/S?

Why does the LAPD and most European special
Police Using them, why does Steve Dean breed
30% of mallies for the UK Police? Why are
they the top SAR dog in the world?

You really know your stuff, play with your
circus schtz animals give me real dogs that
protect pack first and themselves second......

As usual you show that the only way to debate
is to attack, so mate what is your credentials
in the dog world?

David Sweeney
Senior Training Instructor
Queensland K9 Search & Rescue
Supervisor Sharp Security
K9 Behaviourlist
Protection Dog Trainer
Workplace Trainer Asessor
etc.....

A real tough bastard

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Radio Freak" <SPAMscanner_fr...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:48:38 +1000

Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

Well obviously you forgot to mention that you also
received a donation of reject read... *REJECT*, NO
GOOD, NOT UP TO SPEED, USELESS Mals from the Defence
Force.

Useless in the respect that they wouldn't do the job
for the Air Force, not deployable, not trainable to
Air Force standard, isn't that right? Or did my eyes
deceive me when I saw your mug in the newspaper
receiving those dogs?

There is no way in gods earth that that you would
have got those dogs fur nothing if they were any
good. Admit it they are soft, only good for tracking,
if at all!

But that's right, you were only going to use them for
SAR work, sorry...What did I say about those mals being
soft?

They don't need to be hard for SAR work do they, huh?

You wouldn't be using them for protection work would
you, the Air Force wouldn't allow that now, would they.

Probably some contract that states that, huh?

Duty of care considerations from the ADO wouldn't
allow you to use them in a protection role, what
would the press say about an ex Air Force Dog biting
an individual?

If you know Mals then Mr Alpha EXPERT, you will no
doubt know of Danny Jandovich in Melb? Yeah? His
dogs were the only decent Mals I have worked with,
the rest are soft.

I still bare scars from his dogs. Very driven,
hard dogs, some of the best hitters I've ever
had the fortune to take on the suit! Danny had
a great 'Working Line', till others decided to
mess with his stock and fuck everything up, but
you knew that didn't you!

You will probably find that any decent Mal in
Australia has Danny's working line in them somewhere?

Even the Defence Force bought a load of dogs off
Danny, some failed, some were great, but not that many!

Secondly, Mals were not the only dogs to be deployed overseas.

Ask someone who knows, Mr Alpha EXPERT!

Shepherds were requested in Timor as the majority of
Mals were not aggressive enough to cut the mustard
with the militia over there. Sure they (Mals) were
deployed, but the ratio was more like 1 Mal per 10 Sheps.

Your credibility is diminishing here Mr Alpha EXPERT!

I never said that ALL MALS were shit, where did I
say this Mr Alpha EXPERT? KNPV certified Mals would
be the best in the World. Yes I agree that there
are some great Working Line mals out there, but most
*Protection* Mals in service here (AUS) are SHIT.

Where did I say I played in SCHUTZ,? I spoke about
a SCHUTZ Arm, but alas, your education regarding dogs
is obviously the same as your reasoning and comprehension
skills...Very miniscule.

My Quals..... Mate I have quals, yes REAL Nationally
Certified Quals that I earned by attending a course
of more than 15 weeks duration, where you only passed
if you cut the mustard, but you don't need to know of
those, well not in this news group anyway.

Lets just say I have done the job for real, not play
fetch with Mal Rover on some smelly construction site
in the middle of Coomera, or played find the sausage
in my foot print antics in Beaudesert.

You said..and I quote "As usual you show that the
only way to debate is to attack, so mate what is
your credentials in the dog world?" Shouldn't that
be what ARE your credentials?

Now lets talk of your quals shall we, Mr educated!

David Sweeney (Yep we all have names!!!!)

Senior Training Instructor (Boring, anyone can give
themselves a position if they own the company!)

Queensland K9 Search & Rescue (What Qual is this?
Again, you probably own the bloody firm!)

Supervisor Sharp Security (Is this a qual? Again,
another assumed position that requires no quals,
2 be up the boss, or to own the company!)

K9 Behaviourlist (Trained by whom? What course?
Or WHAT BOOK?, what Qual, cert. 3,4, Diploma of
what...K9 Psychology?)

Protection Dog Trainer (Taught by whom? What qual?
What National framework quals do you have, cert 3,
4, and of what?)

Workplace Trainer Asessor, (My god maybe a real cert.
4 here) Congratulations! But alas, four days in the
classroom, attendance course...what more can I say?

Very impressive quals my man. Now when you speak of
dog training, Malinois, Schutz, KNPV and the like,
please Mr Alpha EXPERT, please do your homework and
know your shit, cause when you make stuff up or assume
positions and call them quals you get caught out pretty
quickly, and this does nothing for your credibility.

Foos Alpha, Platz, good boy! Stay!

Come on now Alpha, just relax and stop taking the world
so god damned seriously, just veg like your prey driven
Mals...Heheheheh!

Oh and lastly, please use spell check, how hard is that?

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Barry Muller" <biteyoura...@spanker.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:53:39 +1000
Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

Alpha,

I can assure you that "The Freak" as you like to call
him does know quite a bit about dogs-about being a
handler-and about using dogs in a law enforcement environment.

Whilst I work at the same place as radio freak, I don't
profess to hold any quals or have any experience in being
a Police Dog Handler- that's not what I do. However after
reading some of your rather comical posts it appears to me
that maybe you think you know a bit, but in all honesty you
don't!

I would just like to thank you for a good laugh! I haven't
laughed so much in a very long time.

And freak, I'm sure those contracts state something in
them about not using them for protection work.

SO to keep a good joke going......... ALPHA foos, platz.
ALPHA nein! stop licking your balls!

SPRINGERS FINAL THOUGHT: You are definitely a handler
ALPHA, so maybe you should get your hand off it hey!

Alpha Replies; Then you would be familiar with
Ch Swartzund Karlos ( TOBY ) well?

And for who, I am you need to ask Grant Teeboon and Steve Palmer..

----------------

Yeah, alpha sweeny is the bum grant teeboon diverts
his RAAF REJECT dogs to for his own foundation
breed stock in his sock puppett company.


> if you think that someone who spends an inordinate amount of
> time posting abusive, accusative and unsubstantiated posts on
> this list directed at working professionals of standing withing
> the canine community is the sort of person you want to seek
> balanced advise from then you will received unbalanced
> unprofessional acvice.

HERE'S YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER, grant:


"David & Janette Sweeney" <sween...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:7naI6.16984$482.86976@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html

Look at this and tell me what you think,
http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html is this
the web site of a sane person, Im going to send this to the
Australian Federal Police, and RSPCA, and all dog clubs here.

David Sweeney
stands in the corner hangs his head and cries

------------------------------------------------

THAT was sweeney PRYOR to YOU teachin him HOWE to HURT a dog pupperly.

> If you are a caring dog lover I am sure you will recognise someone who
> is not the sort of person that should actually own a dog, let alone
> advise others on the right way to behave around them.

Oh, hey? Lookey here whot I found:

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog,
or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by
making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl who continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
require much more frequent and heavy application of
pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the
job is not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it
yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress
to striking them more sharply

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even
the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping
theear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting
your will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it
catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is
digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any
ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it,
chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting
tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty
dahl.

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine.

> > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the
> > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we
> > want to do.

> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You're scary Marilyn.

Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.
I feel very sorry for her and her family.

BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please
provide a quote (an original quote, not from one
of Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or using an
abusive form of training.

--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.


> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.

> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...

> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

THAT'S sumpthin to be PR-HOWED abHOWET, eh matty?

"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message

news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?

> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.

> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.

> --Lia


culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for
standin behind their SHOCK FENCE
just like HOWE liea's dog attacked
her only friend and tried to attack two
little kids for standin in her SHOCK ZONE:

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com> wrote in message

news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...

> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
> Hope's collar.

> It felt like a bomb going off in my
> hand and forearm.

--------------------------------

"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@mb-cg.aol.com...

> >> how effective are these electronic fences in
> >> keeping a dog on a property????

> Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
> too scared to go out in the yard anymore.

> Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
> because the dog got caught right in the path of
> the shock and will now not go near his person,
> won't go outside.

> Just hides under a desk in the house.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.

If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
explain what would cause a dog to move his head
like that.

Here's a other:
http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh

Paxil Princess psychoclown wrote:

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply.

REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.

Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the
dog will give in

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.

Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear," lying frosty dahl.

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

g*.@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

> >> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> >> quotes are true.

> >> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> >> making those calls.

> >> In your post above, you state you do not
> >> make those calls.

> >>Which one is it?

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT
LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined

-----------------------------------------

> But I think what Lois was referring to
> was the fact that Darlene actually
> stated at some point that she was
> bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work
> for her--so she was prone to major-league
> ups and downs and sudden
> enthusiasms..

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03

BoxHill wrote:
> I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read
> "The Unquiet Mind"?

Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
watered down for the mass market, if
you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and
decent research. Thank God.

Lynn K.
---------------------------------------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...

YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
'I take anti-depressives'"

-------------------------------------

From: Gary & lois Edwards (g...@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,

"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted."

The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.

No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."

Lois E.
-------------------------------------

"BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
wrote in message
news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...

> "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri...@adelphia.net>
wrote in message
> Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
> and i often call my little dog the turd, because
> he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
> would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
> matter of personality.

> Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
> step on him once. Seriously.

------------------------------------------------------

From: Beth F (d...@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST

On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT,
"Lane Browning"
<*.@att.net> wrote:

>I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware he is
>doing it either...it's like a seizure when he goes
>nuts, I can't even make eye contact with him,
>he's on some other planet. NOTHING reaches
>him.
>
>no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed I researched
>very carefully....sigh.

I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was
a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize
with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not
getting my dogs barking and whining under control
at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard
enough.

I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and
treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and
NOTHING worked.

Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.

Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four
mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik
barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not
because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me that
dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK
BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed
the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a
total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its
outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping,

I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark
drive.

I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!

In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar. He understands that
when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this
point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have
been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when
left alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks
to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax
about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several
weeks while in these situations the training wears off
- so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he
wears the collar as a reminder.

Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the
bad guy and he is completely in control of the
correction. Clearly he understands what causes the
correction. And I am not counting on my own powers
of timing and accuracy to create the correction.

--BethF, Anchorage, AK

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

Ain't we, Professor Dermer.

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value. With him, words
play no torturing tricks.........., " John Galsworthy.

Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog
won't tell on you... Their behaviors reflect our
words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE,
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

The Puppy Wizard sez:

"A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat As A
Birdie Is A Birdie As A Child Is A Child
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"If You Talk With The Animals,
They Will Talk With You
And You Will Know Each Other.

If You Do Not Talk To Them,
You Will Not Know Them,
And What You Do Not Know
You Will Fear.

What One Fears, One Destroys,"--
- Chief Dan George, adapted with
permission from his FREE copy of
The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'End
Dog Training Method Manual.

"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few
regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall


=========================================

> Regards,

LikeWIZE!

> Grant 'The Paw Man' Teeboon
> Police Dog Handler - RAAF 26 years service
> www.thepawman.com.au
> ICQ# 12854070

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >


P*@MuchoMail.Com
2005-11-20 05:30:07 EST
HOWEDY grant,

Pawman wrote:
> It's quite pathetic to see Jerry posting supposedly unsolicited emails
> of recommendation when those emails by their very content show that
> Jerry has asked them to post or he has actually written them himself.

You're a lyin dog abusing mental case, grant. EVERY CASE HISTORY of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Student can be VERIFIED and
you
know it. IN FACT, your BUSINESS PARTNER alphalpha sweeny hung up on
Nevyn
when HE invited him HOWET to his HOWES to observe him using The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method and Doggy Do Right Machine <{); ~ ) >

> Poor old jerry and his messiah complex.

You're a dog abusing punk thug coward, grant.

> He's STILL calling everyone else on the planet a lying dog abuser
> and animal killer....

AND PROVIN IT, grant.

> if he keeps it up for another 20 years he may actually succeed in
> convincing himself. Luckily no porfessionals take him seriously.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

> Jerry has no credentials although he would have you believe otherwise.

You're a fraud a liar a dog abuser and a coward and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard has PROVEN it, grant.

> His only way to attempt to elevate himself in the eyes of the novices
> is to try dismally to discredit the professionals in the vain hope that
> those who don't know any better will think that because he discredits
> the professionals (attempts to that is) that he must know what he is
> talking about.

IT'S ALL IN YOUR OWN WORDS, grant. You're a dog abusing coward.

> Nothing could be further from the truth.

You're a dog abusing lying mental case and fraud, grant.

> The man can barely write in English which I'm sure is a reflection
> of his grade school education. His fascination with inserting his
> own name into words within his posts shows where his true focus lays.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard came here to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
you and your dog abusing punk thug coward mental case pals, grant.

> I wasn't joking about the Messiah complex!

INDEED. It comes with the terrortory.

> Jerry personally accused me of several criminal offences

AND PROVEN IT, grant. REMEMBER?

> including major fraud, murder, dog abuse and countless other fairy
> stories that he swore he had proof of (don't forget to leave your
> one remaining tooth under your pillow for the Tooth Fairy jerry) but
> when I took him to task and told him to either put up or shut up he
> did what he usually does..... nothing.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is fixin to drop the hammer on
the entire industry at WON time, startin with YOU, grant.

> I begged him to report my alledged actions to the authorities,

Stick arHOWEND.

> that way he would have to substantiate what he has said or show himself
> to be exactly what he accuses other people of being.... a liar.

You can deny it all you LIKE, grant. Your own POSTED CASE HISTORY
PROVES IT.

> As usual he proved by his inability to act that he has no factual basis
> behind anything he says.

EXXXCEPT for your own POSTED CASE HISTORIES...

> I laughed out loud when one of jerrys supposed supporters wrote that
> they were using a particular method that wasn't working and then they
> read jerrys manual and they tried a different method and then
> miraculously it worked..... it would however have had a lot more
> credibility if the two methods were different :)

Perhaps you're refering to Deltone NOT FOLLOWIN THE METHOD, grant?

> Why are jerrys posts so long?

On accHOWENT of HE CITES CASE HISTORIES, grant.

> Well if you take out his own surname they are half the size.

Does it cost you EXXXTRA?

> If you take out everything that isn't substantiated

It's ALL substantiated, grant.

> by anything other than his own rantings

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<*.@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer


Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

> then they are a quarter of the size.

Could be even LESS, grant. The Amazing Puppy Wizard can answer
ANY question on behavior by simply QUOTING HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student's CASE HISTORIES, grant.

> If you take out all the attempts to raise his status by
> denegrating the professionals

You mean the lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases like
yourself?

> then that means that most of his posts are only one word in length.. "Howedy"

INDEEDY.

> ....... oh hang on, that's got his name in it.... so that means his
> posts only have one word in them..... "dy"'.... wow, perhaps jerrys
> a mind reader too.

PERHAPS... PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME HE answers questions IN ADVANCE???

> To the novices, reading jerrys posts will just lower the tome of this
> list for you. If you ignore jerry as the professionals on this list
> do, there are other members of this list who are not rude or abusive.

But THEY AIN'T GOT NO ADVICE other than HURT and MURDER innocent
defenseless dumb critters like you do, grant.

> We all tried just ignoring him initially

That so?

> but his mentality is such that he cannot resist targeting anyone who
> has any credibility and true professionals value their credibility so
> it is normal for professionals to respond to any normal person who
> questions their integrity..... note I did say 'normal'.

Let's talk abHOWET "Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of
Correction To A Level Where The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus
Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The
Future."

That's YOU hurtin and intimidating defenseless dumb critters, grant.

> After a few posts you will see that jerry is
> anything but normal, hell the mans not even sane!

ONLY MENTAL CASES HURT INNOCENT DEFENSELESS DUMB CRITTERS, grant.
That'd put The Amazing Puppy Wizard into the MENTAL CASE category
IF you was INNOCENT. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> If you want serious help post your query to this list and then ask
> people to reply to you directly.

RIGHT! OtherWIZE they get CRUCIFIED by The Amazing Puppy Wizard when
HE CITES THEIR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORIES, grant.

> It becomes very hard to take this list seriously as a professional
> forum with the likes of jerry spoiling it for all.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard can do ANY THING HE LIKES on HIS FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums, Grant.

> I've given up speaking to the idiot directly,

INDEED. On accHOWENT of EVERY TIME you talk dogs you HURT them.

> he fails to answer any direct questions, if that's because he refuses
> to expose himself as a fraud or he just does not understand those
> questions, who knows?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students KNOW, grant. And
they SEZ SO RIGHT HERE. REMEMBER? YOU CALL THEM FORGERIES.

BWEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

> His opening gambit in any communication is to viciously attack

INDEED. Kinda makes HIM FEEL like a schoolyard bully, eh grant???

> and accuse,

YOU MEAN QUOTE, grant: "Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different
Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of
Correction To A Level Where The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus
Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The
Future."

That's YOU hurtin and intimidating defenseless dumb critters, grant.

> both of these being uncalled for

The Amazing Puppy Wizard likes to neutralize the "competition"
and THEN HURT them somemore, grant.

> and totally unsubstantiated.

You keep sayin that. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will NHOWE QUOTE
WON of your BUSINESS PARTNERS CUSTOMERS:


From: "mjc" <goo...@matt.matt.name>
Date: 17 Oct 2005 15:50:42 -0700

i do feel ripped off about what he told me about the dogs though.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when the dogs were handed to me i
was told things about their history by sweeney which are simply untrue,

thinngs which have been refuted by the raaf husbandry section.

i feel ripped off that when i got handed the dog i had to wash him
three times to get the fleas off him and the water was still rinsing
blood red.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when i asked about the worming and
vaccinations i was told "dogs in the wild dont get wormed" by the
person who was taking care of the dog.

i feel ripped off by the fact that a year after i got the dogs i still
had no birthdates or vetinary records despite my repeated requests to
sweeney.

if i bought a car and it was fucked, why would i be defending the
people who sold it to me? id be running around telling everyone who is
considering buying a car to steer clear of that dude.

as for going off every weekend to train, i have 50+ acres, i can train
whenever i feel like, and we do, and for what its worth, 20 or 30
kangaroos and wallabys bounding across the paddock make for a great
distraction when doing a track, i certainly dont encourage my dogs to
go after them."

THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER HE'S TALKIN ABHOWET, grant:
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When you lie with
PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em," The Puppy Wizard's
DADDY <{); - ) >

> One thing about dog lovers is that they are generally nice people.....

That so? THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES THEIR OWN
POSTED CASE HISTORIES of HURTING INTIMIDATING and MURDERING innocnet
defenseless dumb critters. Like your own, FOR EXXXAMPLE, grant.

> I have not ever read a post from jerry where there has been anything
> remotely 'nice' about him or anything he has to say.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard didn't come here to MAKE PALS with LYING
DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASES, grant, HE CAME HERE to
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT them, startin with YOU and your
BUSINESS PARTNER alphalpha sweeny <{); ~ ) >

> Trust your own judgement people...

Here's a couple of your own Aussis who've been TALKIN BUSINESS
with YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER alphalpha sweeny:

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Alpha" <sween...@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:30:34 +1000

Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

As usual freak you show very little knowledge
of dogs and handlers, you no doubt still line
bait dogs and say look how tough they are.

I breed train and work with very hard stable
dogs, and they are malinuts and rotts.

If the mallies are so piss weak why are they
the only dogs deployed O/S?

Why does the LAPD and most European special
Police Using them, why does Steve Dean breed
30% of mallies for the UK Police? Why are
they the top SAR dog in the world?

You really know your stuff, play with your
circus schtz animals give me real dogs that
protect pack first and themselves second......

As usual you show that the only way to debate
is to attack, so mate what is your credentials
in the dog world?

David Sweeney
Senior Training Instructor
Queensland K9 Search & Rescue
Supervisor Sharp Security
K9 Behaviourlist
Protection Dog Trainer
Workplace Trainer Asessor
etc.....

A real tough bastard

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Radio Freak" <SPAMscanner_fr...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:48:38 +1000

Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

Well obviously you forgot to mention that you also
received a donation of reject read... *REJECT*, NO
GOOD, NOT UP TO SPEED, USELESS Mals from the Defence
Force.

Useless in the respect that they wouldn't do the job
for the Air Force, not deployable, not trainable to
Air Force standard, isn't that right? Or did my eyes
deceive me when I saw your mug in the newspaper
receiving those dogs?

There is no way in gods earth that that you would
have got those dogs fur nothing if they were any
good. Admit it they are soft, only good for tracking,
if at all!

But that's right, you were only going to use them for
SAR work, sorry...What did I say about those mals being
soft?

They don't need to be hard for SAR work do they, huh?

You wouldn't be using them for protection work would
you, the Air Force wouldn't allow that now, would they.

Probably some contract that states that, huh?

Duty of care considerations from the ADO wouldn't
allow you to use them in a protection role, what
would the press say about an ex Air Force Dog biting
an individual?

If you know Mals then Mr Alpha EXPERT, you will no
doubt know of Danny Jandovich in Melb? Yeah? His
dogs were the only decent Mals I have worked with,
the rest are soft.

I still bare scars from his dogs. Very driven,
hard dogs, some of the best hitters I've ever
had the fortune to take on the suit! Danny had
a great 'Working Line', till others decided to
mess with his stock and fuck everything up, but
you knew that didn't you!

You will probably find that any decent Mal in
Australia has Danny's working line in them somewhere?

Even the Defence Force bought a load of dogs off
Danny, some failed, some were great, but not that many!

Secondly, Mals were not the only dogs to be deployed overseas.

Ask someone who knows, Mr Alpha EXPERT!

Shepherds were requested in Timor as the majority of
Mals were not aggressive enough to cut the mustard
with the militia over there. Sure they (Mals) were
deployed, but the ratio was more like 1 Mal per 10 Sheps.

Your credibility is diminishing here Mr Alpha EXPERT!

I never said that ALL MALS were shit, where did I
say this Mr Alpha EXPERT? KNPV certified Mals would
be the best in the World. Yes I agree that there
are some great Working Line mals out there, but most
*Protection* Mals in service here (AUS) are SHIT.

Where did I say I played in SCHUTZ,? I spoke about
a SCHUTZ Arm, but alas, your education regarding dogs
is obviously the same as your reasoning and comprehension
skills...Very miniscule.

My Quals..... Mate I have quals, yes REAL Nationally
Certified Quals that I earned by attending a course
of more than 15 weeks duration, where you only passed
if you cut the mustard, but you don't need to know of
those, well not in this news group anyway.

Lets just say I have done the job for real, not play
fetch with Mal Rover on some smelly construction site
in the middle of Coomera, or played find the sausage
in my foot print antics in Beaudesert.

You said..and I quote "As usual you show that the
only way to debate is to attack, so mate what is
your credentials in the dog world?" Shouldn't that
be what ARE your credentials?

Now lets talk of your quals shall we, Mr educated!

David Sweeney (Yep we all have names!!!!)

Senior Training Instructor (Boring, anyone can give
themselves a position if they own the company!)

Queensland K9 Search & Rescue (What Qual is this?
Again, you probably own the bloody firm!)

Supervisor Sharp Security (Is this a qual? Again,
another assumed position that requires no quals,
2 be up the boss, or to own the company!)

K9 Behaviourlist (Trained by whom? What course?
Or WHAT BOOK?, what Qual, cert. 3,4, Diploma of
what...K9 Psychology?)

Protection Dog Trainer (Taught by whom? What qual?
What National framework quals do you have, cert 3,
4, and of what?)

Workplace Trainer Asessor, (My god maybe a real cert.
4 here) Congratulations! But alas, four days in the
classroom, attendance course...what more can I say?

Very impressive quals my man. Now when you speak of
dog training, Malinois, Schutz, KNPV and the like,
please Mr Alpha EXPERT, please do your homework and
know your shit, cause when you make stuff up or assume
positions and call them quals you get caught out pretty
quickly, and this does nothing for your credibility.

Foos Alpha, Platz, good boy! Stay!

Come on now Alpha, just relax and stop taking the world
so god damned seriously, just veg like your prey driven
Mals...Heheheheh!

Oh and lastly, please use spell check, how hard is that?

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Barry Muller" <biteyoura...@spanker.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:53:39 +1000
Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

Alpha,

I can assure you that "The Freak" as you like to call
him does know quite a bit about dogs-about being a
handler-and about using dogs in a law enforcement environment.

Whilst I work at the same place as radio freak, I don't
profess to hold any quals or have any experience in being
a Police Dog Handler- that's not what I do. However after
reading some of your rather comical posts it appears to me
that maybe you think you know a bit, but in all honesty you
don't!

I would just like to thank you for a good laugh! I haven't
laughed so much in a very long time.

And freak, I'm sure those contracts state something in
them about not using them for protection work.

SO to keep a good joke going......... ALPHA foos, platz.
ALPHA nein! stop licking your balls!

SPRINGERS FINAL THOUGHT: You are definitely a handler
ALPHA, so maybe you should get your hand off it hey!

Alpha Replies; Then you would be familiar with
Ch Swartzund Karlos ( TOBY ) well?

And for who, I am you need to ask Grant Teeboon and Steve Palmer..

----------------

Yeah, alpha sweeny is the bum grant teeboon diverts
his RAAF REJECT dogs to for his own foundation
breed stock in his sock puppett company.


> if you think that someone who spends an inordinate amount of
> time posting abusive, accusative and unsubstantiated posts on
> this list directed at working professionals of standing withing
> the canine community is the sort of person you want to seek
> balanced advise from then you will received unbalanced
> unprofessional acvice.

HERE'S YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER, grant:


"David & Janette Sweeney" <sween...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:7naI6.16984$482.86976@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html

Look at this and tell me what you think,
http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html is this
the web site of a sane person, Im going to send this to the
Australian Federal Police, and RSPCA, and all dog clubs here.

David Sweeney
stands in the corner hangs his head and cries

------------------------------------------------

THAT was sweeney PRYOR to YOU teachin him HOWE to HURT a dog pupperly.

> If you are a caring dog lover I am sure you will recognise someone who
> is not the sort of person that should actually own a dog, let alone
> advise others on the right way to behave around them.

Oh, hey? Lookey here whot I found:

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog,
or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by
making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl who continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
require much more frequent and heavy application of
pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the
job is not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it
yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress
to striking them more sharply

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even
the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping
theear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting
your will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it
catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is
digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any
ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it,
chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting
tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty
dahl.

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine.

> > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the
> > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we
> > want to do.

> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You're scary Marilyn.

Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.
I feel very sorry for her and her family.

BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please
provide a quote (an original quote, not from one
of Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or using an
abusive form of training.

--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.


> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.

> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...

> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

THAT'S sumpthin to be PR-HOWED abHOWET, eh matty?

"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message

news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?

> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.

> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.

> --Lia


culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for
standin behind their SHOCK FENCE
just like HOWE liea's dog attacked
her only friend and tried to attack two
little kids for standin in her SHOCK ZONE:

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com> wrote in message

news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...

> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
> Hope's collar.

> It felt like a bomb going off in my
> hand and forearm.

--------------------------------

"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@mb-cg.aol.com...

> >> how effective are these electronic fences in
> >> keeping a dog on a property????

> Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
> too scared to go out in the yard anymore.

> Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
> because the dog got caught right in the path of
> the shock and will now not go near his person,
> won't go outside.

> Just hides under a desk in the house.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.

If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
explain what would cause a dog to move his head
like that.

Here's a other:
http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh

Paxil Princess psychoclown wrote:

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply.

REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.

Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the
dog will give in

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.

Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear," lying frosty dahl.

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

g*.@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

> >> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> >> quotes are true.

> >> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> >> making those calls.

> >> In your post above, you state you do not
> >> make those calls.

> >>Which one is it?

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT
LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined

-----------------------------------------

> But I think what Lois was referring to
> was the fact that Darlene actually
> stated at some point that she was
> bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work
> for her--so she was prone to major-league
> ups and downs and sudden
> enthusiasms..

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03

BoxHill wrote:
> I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read
> "The Unquiet Mind"?

Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
watered down for the mass market, if
you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and
decent research. Thank God.

Lynn K.
---------------------------------------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...

YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
'I take anti-depressives'"

-------------------------------------

From: Gary & lois Edwards (g...@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,

"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted."

The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.

No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."

Lois E.
-------------------------------------

"BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
wrote in message
news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...

> "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri...@adelphia.net>
wrote in message
> Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
> and i often call my little dog the turd, because
> he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
> would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
> matter of personality.

> Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
> step on him once. Seriously.

------------------------------------------------------

From: Beth F (d...@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST

On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT,
"Lane Browning"
<*.@att.net> wrote:

>I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware he is
>doing it either...it's like a seizure when he goes
>nuts, I can't even make eye contact with him,
>he's on some other planet. NOTHING reaches
>him.
>
>no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed I researched
>very carefully....sigh.

I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was
a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize
with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not
getting my dogs barking and whining under control
at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard
enough.

I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and
treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and
NOTHING worked.

Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.

Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four
mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik
barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not
because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me that
dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK
BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed
the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a
total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its
outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping,

I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark
drive.

I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!

In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar. He understands that
when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this
point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have
been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when
left alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks
to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax
about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several
weeks while in these situations the training wears off
- so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he
wears the collar as a reminder.

Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the
bad guy and he is completely in control of the
correction. Clearly he understands what causes the
correction. And I am not counting on my own powers
of timing and accuracy to create the correction.

--BethF, Anchorage, AK

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

Ain't we, Professor Dermer.

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value. With him, words
play no torturing tricks.........., " John Galsworthy.

Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog
won't tell on you... Their behaviors reflect our
words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE,
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

The Puppy Wizard sez:

"A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat As A
Birdie Is A Birdie As A Child Is A Child
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"If You Talk With The Animals,
They Will Talk With You
And You Will Know Each Other.

If You Do Not Talk To Them,
You Will Not Know Them,
And What You Do Not Know
You Will Fear.

What One Fears, One Destroys,"--
- Chief Dan George, adapted with
permission from his FREE copy of
The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'End
Dog Training Method Manual.

"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few
regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall


=========================================

> Regards,

LikeWIZE!

> Grant 'The Paw Man' Teeboon
> Police Dog Handler - RAAF 26 years service
> www.thepawman.com.au
> ICQ# 12854070

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >


I*@Inbox.Com
2005-11-20 12:45:12 EST
HOWEDY robdar,

RobDar wrote:
> I do not think his credentials were ever in question...

That so? Seems EVERY THING The Amazing Puppy Wizard
TEACHES is 100% EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
HOWE the EXXXPERT university trained behaviorists and
professional dog trainers believe <{) ; ~ ) >

> we all know he is a fool

You mean, for TRYIN to teach lying dog abusing punk thug
cowards and active acute chronic long term incurable MENTAL
CASES HOWE to pupperly handle and train dogs so they don't
end up in SHELTERS and RESCUES with dog abusers like you?

> and he continually opens his mouth to prove us right.

BY QUOTING YOU, robdar.

> He is...entertaining...at the very least.

Stick arHOWEND robdar. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is abHOWET
to bring HIS enterTRAINment to the national news media <{) ; ~ ) >
HE'll be using YOU as a EXXXAMPLE of UNETHICKAL PROFITEERS
who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb
critters and call it RESCUE.

> I am suprised to hear than anyone ever actually took him seriously however.

INDEED:

Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
?
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

> off topic...

Of curse. ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS and ACTIVE ACUTE
LONG TERM CHRONIC INCURABLE MENTAL CASES POST
here abHOWETS:

Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<*.@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

> What does your dog specialize in?

grant's dogs SPECIALIZE in attacking wild wallaroos to
increase their MAN DRIVE, robdar.

> Drug detection?

grant's dogs couldn't find drugs unless it was hidden in a
cold can of Fosters Ale you freakin imbecile. He's a FRAUD.

> Bomb detection?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

We was just talkin abHOWET human fear scent to increase
the DRIVE of his MAN TRACKERS, robdar. Seems if you
wanted to INCREASE their DRIVE you'd DECREASE the
SCENT they're tracking, not INCREASE it.

EVERY THING the EXXXPERTS believe is 100% EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE DOGS THINK, robdar.

Oh, bye the bye, you can't post here abHOWETS nodoGdameneDmore.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

From: "mjc" <goo...@matt.matt.name>
Date: 17 Oct 2005 15:50:42 -0700

i do feel ripped off about what he told me about the dogs though.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when the dogs were handed to me i
was told things about their history by sweeney which are simply untrue,


thinngs which have been refuted by the raaf husbandry section.

i feel ripped off that when i got handed the dog i had to wash him
three times to get the fleas off him and the water was still rinsing
blood red.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when i asked about the worming and
vaccinations i was told "dogs in the wild dont get wormed" by the
person who was taking care of the dog.

i feel ripped off by the fact that a year after i got the dogs i still
had no birthdates or vetinary records despite my repeated requests to
sweeney.

if i bought a car and it was fucked, why would i be defending the
people who sold it to me? id be running around telling everyone who is
considering buying a car to steer clear of that dude.

as for going off every weekend to train, i have 50+ acres, i can train
whenever i feel like, and we do, and for what its worth, 20 or 30
kangaroos and wallabys bounding across the paddock make for a great
distraction when doing a track, i certainly dont encourage my dogs to
go after them."

THAT'S grant's " BUSINESS PARTNER" HE'S TALKIN ABHOWET:

"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When you lie with
PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em," The Puppy Wizard's
DADDY <{); - ) >


A*@HushMail.Com
2005-11-20 13:20:23 EST
HOWEDY dallygirl,

dallygirl wrote:
> hi paw man
> wow your a dog handler ~

NOT QUITE, dallygirl. grant is a senior K-0 INSTRUCTOR
in charge of the breeding program at his RAAF base.

> i always wanted to be military and then work as a dog handler

Yeah. LikeWIZE The Amazing Puppy Wizard. Fortunately HE chose
to do sumpthin a little more challenging and in the interim
learned that military K-9 training would have made HIM a DOG
ABUSER like captain arthur haggerty and grant teeboon <{) : ~ ) >

> i decided at a very young age that if i couldnt be military
> then i would like to be a police dog handler, unfortunatly at
> 9yrs old i started to feel ill and now at age 26 i have two
> long trem chronic illnesses and two life time ills which
> unfortunatly makes me too disabled for opertation within the
> army or met :(

Ahhhh. SHOWEDS like The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome, dallygirl.
Seems most of the posters here have some sort of psychological
damage leading to physical illness JUST LIKE THEIR DOGS.

> i have followed my dream of working with dogs as best i can however,

Yeah. You're gonna be a RESCUER and train deaf dogs.

> in canine rescue

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!!

> and am now training in my trainer courses for my dog school (fingers crossed).

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

Perhaps you and grant can talk abHOWET "Reliable Punishment Cycles,
Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For
Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where The DOg Yelps
When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog
Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

THAT'S grant, dallygirl...

> i was actually going to reply about your wizard post (sorry
> got a bit side tracked lol)

NO PROBLEMO. We got PLENTY of time. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
has been workin on this for forty five years, dallygirl <{) ; ~ ) >

> i have only been here for a few days and i now have
> the measure of this strange strange person i think.

INDEED?

> thankyou for posting this i wish i had seen it before

grant is a dog abuser liar and thief of RAAF dogs, dallygirl.

> i had read the wierd ones post.

INDEED? Perhaps you should KILLFILE HIM, dallygirl. HIS POSTS
AIN'T CONDUCIVE to GOOD MENTAL HEELTH, if you're a DOG ABUSER.

> also i posted back to some sicko on dog behaviour as i was
> repulsed by it and some woman came in slating me for replying.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Didn't you recommend using pine cleaner to clean up
after urine? That stuff makes dogs DEATHLY ILL. It
gets absorbed through their FEET.

> after that i was think what the hell have i come across.

You've come across The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums, dallygirl. ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
an ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post
here abHOWETS <{) ; ~ ) >

> my first instinct was to click off and never come back!

A WIZE IDEA, dallygirl. HOWEver, don't leave withHOWET THIS:

<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>

PERHAPS you'll DISCUSS IT with your "teachers" at dog trainin school?

> nice to meet you paw man and thanks again, dallygirl

Here's a CUSTOMER of grant's SCAM BUSINESS PARTNER:

From: "mjc" <goo...@matt.matt.name>
Date: 17 Oct 2005 15:50:42 -0700

i do feel ripped off about what he told me about the dogs though.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when the dogs were handed to me i
was told things about their history by sweeney which are simply untrue,


thinngs which have been refuted by the raaf husbandry section.

i feel ripped off that when i got handed the dog i had to wash him
three times to get the fleas off him and the water was still rinsing
blood red.

i feel ripped off by the fact that when i asked about the worming and
vaccinations i was told "dogs in the wild dont get wormed" by the
person who was taking care of the dog.

i feel ripped off by the fact that a year after i got the dogs i still
had no birthdates or vetinary records despite my repeated requests to
sweeney.

if i bought a car and it was fucked, why would i be defending the
people who sold it to me? id be running around telling everyone who is
considering buying a car to steer clear of that dude.

as for going off every weekend to train, i have 50+ acres, i can train
whenever i feel like, and we do, and for what its worth, 20 or 30
kangaroos and wallabys bounding across the paddock make for a great
distraction when doing a track, i certainly dont encourage my dogs to
go after them."

THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER HE'S TALKIN ABHOWET, grant:
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When you lie with
PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em," The Puppy Wizard's
DADDY <{); - ) >


BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

And here's grant ABUSING DOGS:

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: gtb...@dynamite.com.au (Grant Teeboon)
Date: 1997/05/01
Subject: Re: HELP! PUPPY BITING HOW TO STOP IT?

> Jo,
> The correct solution to your problem is quite simple,
> you haven't yet established a 'reliable punishment
> cycle' for your dog.

In order to "reliably PUNISH" behaviors we must be CONSISTENT
in HURTING the offender EVERY TIME he OFFENDS enough to
STOP the BAD BEHAVIOR INSTANTLY.

That MEANS that as soon as the PUNISHER isn't able
to PUNISH the OFFENDER EVERY TIME enough to make him
STOP his BAD BEHAVIOR, that BAD BEHAVIOR will have
been VARIABLY REINFORCED.

Variable reinforcement of so called self rewarding
behaviors are the most difficult type of behavior
problems to rehabilitate because even a non verbal
child or puppy dog has the ability to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog trainer or parent.

> The complete explanation can be quite complex,

We've got PLENTY of time, grant. Please don't
feel as though you're infringing on our patience
or the generousity of the WWW's html to make your
point CLEAR so we as parents, dog and kat owners
won't make the deathly mistakes which lead our dogs
kats and children to foster homes or death dealing
SHELTERS and criminal / insane facilities or makes
mass murderers out of normal children and gets people
and dogs DEAD as the PREDICTABLE RESULT of failed
"PUNISHMENT CYCLES" mentality revered by EXXXPERT
trainers behaviorists and parents..

> but the shortened version is.. if you try to
> stop a dog doing something by punishing it

You mean, like barking mouthing and jumping to say HOWEDY.

> and the dogs behaviour does not diminish or
> extinguish then the level of punishment that
> you have administered is not high enough.

You mean, for jumping mouthing and barking
to say "HOWEDY", grant? LIKE THIS?:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

> All dogs just like people have there own different
> thresholds to pain and punishment,

INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has ZERO TOLERANCE for
animal / child abuse, grant. That's HOWE COME we're here TALKIN
BUSINESS <{) ; ~ ) >

> just as some people have a high tolerance for criticism,

Sensitive dog lovers do seem to be intolerant of criticism.

> some dogs have a high tolerence for correction.

That means you got to HURT THEM somemore.

> You should escalate your correction

You mean pain fear force and intimidation, grant? I've
been doin that with you and you ilk and it has yet to
work despite HOWE MUCH PAIN and EMBARRASSMENT I've so
generously inflicted on you BY QUOTING YOUR OWN WORDS.

IN FACT, It only seems to derange you and your
ilk to perform even more abuses and inspires
you and your ilk to lie about it, grant.

> to a level where the dog yelps when you punish him,

OR IGNORES your infliction of pain fear force and
intimidation almost as if to say "I DEFY YOU TO HURT
ME ENOUGH to make me NOT WANT TO HURT OTHERS", like
you and your mentally ill pals here do, grant.

> thus making the experience one which the dog will
> want to avoid in the future.

You mean, like BONDING behavior and TALKIN BUSINESS, grant?

from Grant Teeboon, Police Dog Handler RAAF,
Canberra Australia. email: gtb...@dynamite.com.au

PERHAPS YOU'LL DISCUSS THAT with grant???

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >


A*@HushMail.Com
2005-11-20 13:49:22 EST
HOWEDY grant,

Pawman wrote:
> Hi Dallygirl,

You mean to say 'HOWEDY dallygirl,'

> Sorry to hear that ilness has somewhat dampened your dreams.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard would be eager to heelp HEEL her
of her CHRONIC STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES, grant.
It's the same same for puppy dogs as it is for humans <{) ; ~ ) >

> But its good that you have found a niche where your canine
> talents can be beneficial.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!

> I feel blessed to have been able to be a Police Dog Handler for 26 years.

INDEED. THAT'S WHERE you GET the dogs you've RUINED to GIVE to
your BUSINESS PARTNER to SELL on Ebay. REMEMBER grant? HOWE COME
YOU HURT and INTIMDIATE dogs, grant?

> To also get paid for having so much fun with dogs and training
> Police Dog teams from novice to certification level is an honour
> and a priveledge.

Let's talk abHOWET your ridiculHOWESLY HIGH FAILURE RATE, grant?
You're a dog abusing FRAUD, grant, accordin to your BUSINESS PARTNER'S
SCAM RIP OFF CASE HISTORY, grant.

> Then to see my students over the following years and see
> their level of dedication and professionalism makes all the
> hard work so worthwhile.

Trainin dogs AIN'T HARD WORK unless you MAKE IT HARD, grant.
You're a dog abusing FRAUD, grant <{) ; ~ ) >

> We also have a breeding program that keeps us supplied
> with a seemingly endless supply of adorable Shepherd and
> Malinois puppies.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! You GET them from
the RAAF FLUNK HOWETS you've TRAINED SO HARD, grant:

Alpha wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> what is it I have some interesting pics of our dogs from
> the RAAF worth $27,000 thats 9k each

http://www.rocky-dog.com/Sweeney/Dave_SAR1.jpg
http://www.rocky-dog.com/Sweeney/Dave_SAR2.jpg

>From the second article, a quote from Sergeant Grant Teeboon,
referring to 3 failed dogs: "They're a fruit loop dog - they're
hyperactive."

> Working with adult dogs is fun,

That so, grant? You're a DOG ABUSER.

> but to also get an endless supply of cute puppies
> wandering underfoot is just icing on the cake.

INDEEDY! Just wait till the Inspector General gets wind of your SCAM.

> I noticed that jerry couldn't resist replying.

THESE ARE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums, grant.

> I have directly asked him not to reply to any of my posts but the
> man must be retarded and seems unable to understand simple requests
> or concepts.

Perhaps dallygirl and grant can talk abHOWET "Reliable Punishment
Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance
For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where The DOg
Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> I didn't bother reading his reply because

On accHOWENT of YOU CAN'T DEFEND YOURSELF you lying
dog abusing punk thug coward <{) ; ~ ) >

> it's always the same crap that comes out of his mouth.

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard insistance on TALKIN BUSINESS, grant?

> If he wanted people to read his posts he should at
> least try to say something intelligent instead of all
> that negativity.

Perhaps you and The Amazing Puppy Wizard can talk abHOWET "Reliable
Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High
Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where
The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One
Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> You would think a man who supposedly supports the humane and positive
> only treatment of animals could also achieve the same thing with his
> communications with the human species....

NOT when we're dealin with LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES, grant:

Perhaps you and The Amazing Puppy Wizard can talk abHOWET "Reliable
Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High
Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where
The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One
Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> but no, such concepts are beyong him I'm sure.

Perhaps you and The Amazing Puppy Wizard can talk abHOWET "Reliable
Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High
Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where
The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One
Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> He's like the boy who cried wolf again and again and again.

Perhaps you and The Amazing Puppy Wizard can talk abHOWET "Reliable
Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High
Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where
The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One
Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> No one listens to him after a while.

Perhaps you and The Amazing Puppy Wizard can talk abHOWET "Reliable
Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High
Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where
The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One
Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> I just make sure that the newcomers dont fall for his crap
> and don't think that he is an example of a canine professional.

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And
Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of Correction
To A Level Where The DOg Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The
Experience One Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

Is THAT what makes you a "canine professional," grant?

> Any way Dallygirl,

You mean anyHOWE, grant, you lyin dog abusing mental case.

> feel free to contact me directly if you wish.

Perhaps dallygirl and grant can talk abHOWET "Reliable Punishment
Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance
For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where The DOg
Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> It seems that jerry has to spoil any decent communication
> on this medium.

Perhaps dallygirl and grant can talk abHOWET "Reliable Punishment
Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance
For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where The DOg
Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> You can contact me through my web site at www.thepawman.com.au
> and just send an email through there. Or if you wish you can
> contact me on ICQ #12854070.

Perhaps dallygirl and grant can talk abHOWET "Reliable Punishment
Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance
For Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level Where The DOg
Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future."

> Regards,

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

> Grant 'The Paw Man' Teeboon
> Police Dog Handler - RAAF 26 years service
> www.thepawman.com.au
> ICQ# 12854070


"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918australianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.

> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.

> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <> wrote in message

news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?

> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.

> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will
Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.
This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times
It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should
pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work
as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling
book "Courteous Canines"

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

THAT'S sumpthin to be PR-HOWED abHOWET, eh matty?

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
------------------------------­­­---

Paxil Princess psychoclown wrote:

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply.

REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.

Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.

Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear," lying frosty dahl.

>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

g*.@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

> >> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> >> quotes are true.
> >> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> >> making those calls.
> >> In your post above, you state you do not
> >> make those calls.
> >> Which one is it?

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

------------------------------­­­-----------

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHAHAHHHHAHHHAAAAA!!!

NHOWE THAT'S SUMPTHIN TO BE PR-HOWED OF, eh matty?

> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:
> Janet Puistonen said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> >> That's not my preference. Corrections only work
> >> when the dog understands the behaviour.

"Corrections" ONLY work when the abuser is
standing right there ready to HURT the dog
someMOORE.

> > And shrieking "OW!" isn't my preference.

THAT will over EXXXCITE the dog and REWARD his behavior.

> Nor is it mine, as I've already written.

That's right, matty. It's your third choice:

> In article <Fri9679706E6BD65australianshepher...
> @rocky-dog.com>, Rocky<2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote:

> > John Ferman said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > > Our adopted 10-month old bichon get a little too playful to
> > > the point where her mouthing turns into a nip. What are
> > > some positive ways to correct this behavior?
> > 1. Redirection to a suitable chew or tug toy with
> > tons'o'praise when he takes it.

THAT will REINFORCE the BAD BEHAVIOR...

> > 2. Time outs (go neutral on him for a few seconds).

THAT will INCREASE anXXXIHOWESNESS, jack.

> > 3. A squealing "Oww" when he nips.

THAT will EXXXCITE the pup and REINFORCE the BAD BEHAVIOR, jack.

> > #1 works well

#1 is "REDIRECTING" and therebye REWARDING the BAD BEHAVIOR...

> > when it quickly follows #2 or #3.

Followed by #2 PUNISHMENT / AVOIDANCE and #3 squealing
and hyper EXXXCITEMENT <{); ~ ) >

IF # 1 worked, THERE'D BE NO NEED for #2, #3,
and The Amazing Puppy Wizard, jackass.

> > Why do you assume that they don't understand?

On accHOWENT of THEY DON'T THINK LIKE HUMANS.

> If he understood the behavior,

Dogs and innocent children are DUMB CRITTERS
who CANNOT UNDERSTAND <{) ; ~ ) >

> he wouldn't do it on a regular basis.

A behavior got NUTHIN to do with UNDERSTANDING
or folks wouldn't smoke and take anti psychotic
medications and shock choke bribe crate and
murder dogs, would they, matty.

> Corrections, when used, are best used when
> the dog backslides.

You mean you HURT the dog when your TRAINING FAILS.

> > When they are with their mother, they understand that
> > if they nip her too hard they will be nipped back,

We have abusive dog moms JUST LIKE HOWE we got
abusive human dogs. Dogs LEARN to abuse their
puppys by being abused by their human abusers.

LIKE THIS:

sinofabitch writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that
> > he took posts from two different people,

THAT'S A LIE.

> > took pieces of them out of context, cobbled
> > them together, then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

> >and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

> > Which is exactly what he did.

INDEEDY.

> > The actual quote is misleading when taken
> > out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote"
> > is downright meaningless.
> Here's Jerry's version
> "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
> Here's yours;
> "I dropped the leash, threw my
> right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> grabbed her opposite foot with my
> left hand, rolled her on her side,
> leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> nipped her ear.
> --Sara Sionnach

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> > and therefore they learn limits.

You mean they learn FEAR and MISTRUST and
to do likeWIZE to their own get <{); ~ ) >

JUST LIKE HOWE HUMAN MOMMYS and DADDYS DO IT.

> > With humans, they learn that if they nip they will
> > experience the unpleasant--but not painful--sensation
> > of

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE? TRUST? RESPECT? GUIDANCE? GENTLENESS?

> > having their mouth held closed for a moment,
> > and therefore they learn limits.

EITHER THAT, or they learn fear mistrust and rebellion.

> > They also learn to associate the phrase
> > "no bite" with this limit.

On accHOWENT of the METHOD DON'T TRAIN THE DOG NOT TO DO THAT.

> > After a while, you can simply say "no bite"
> > and they will stop the behavior.

INDEED. Works EVERY TIME... till it don't work noMOORE.

> Humans are not dogs,

That so, matty? Does that mean the dog behavior
studies which have been conducted since Descarte
are MEANINGLESS for human behavior?

> so I don't think it's a good idea to equate a dam
> nipping to a human hand closing a puppy's mouth.

Well then, you'd be CONtraWIZE to traditional thinkin.

> Anyway,

You mean anyHOWE, scumbag.

> I'm glad it works with you.

That so? HOWE COME do you suppose she's ASKIN?

> I certainly wouldn't follow that method,
> especially with a hand-shy dog.

You mean, an abused dog. A dog that might bite
you for messin with it... LIKE THIS:

HOWEDY matty!

Looks like you're up to the same old same old, eh
my little mentally ill dog abusing punk thug coward
buddy?

> Trade: Exchange

Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL SCRAPS
and run to hide to eat them with their back to the
wall in a heightened state of alert.

> the toy she's holding for the one you have in your hand.

Trying to take STUFF from a dog who DON'T TRUST
YOU will TEACH IT to RUN, HIDE, and SWALLOW
STUFF so you can't TAKE IT and MAY teach IT to
ATTACK YOU and TAKE YOUR STUFF to boot.

> The P

There AIN'T NUTHIN POSITIVE abHOWET
TAKIN AWAY STUFF, matty. You ADD VALUE
to STUFF you TRY to TAKE AWAY from the
dog, matty. THAT makes dogs PROTECTIVE
of their STUFF, matty.

> will come from the toy you're offering

You mean, to get the dog to RESPECT your
COMMAND to LEAVE IT, matty? We was
talkin to your pal taragreen2 from NYC abHOWET
her LEAVE IT COMMAND when she suddenly
got CHOKED UP and couldn't teach us HOWE
to POISON PROOF a dog, matty.

PERHAPS you can ADVISE US, as marie was
ASKIN abHOWET IT for her own HOWETA CON-
TROLL dog Macula and her HOWETA CON-TROLL
twins who are LEARNIN to DISRESPECT her for
BRIBING them JUST LIKE HOWE her dog Macula
has LEARNED to elicit BRIBES and carry on her
HOWETA CON-TROLL BEHAIVORS.

Like HOWE your pal melanie change is doin with
her HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs Solo and her
peeing Pekinese you and your punk thug coward
mental case pals told her to JERK and CHOKE
to break his HOWES PISSIN on accHOWENT of
HE'S ABUSED.

> and the way you're offering it;

You mean, TEASING the dog with an alternate
REWARD for STEALIN STUFF, matty? You're
a MENTAL CASE, matty.

> that is, make the exchange worthwhile.

THAT'S INSANE!

> There's plenty of good beginning stuff,

You mean like a 100% INSTANTLY RELIABLE
COME COMMAND trained NEARLY INSTANTLY
and FOR FREE, to boot, matty?

> but "trade" is the best thing Aussie Rocky learned as a pup.

Well THAT'S IDIOCY matty. You "TRAINED" your
dog to TRADE STUFF HE STOLE for a REWARD???

> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

CERTAINLY even a MENTAL CASE can SEE THAT
AIN'T NORMAL THINKIN, matty. IN FACT, your own
POSTED CASE HISTORY SHOWES US otherWIZE:

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:38:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Puppy Temper Tantrums...

HOWEDY matty,

"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message

news:Fri95A66E7693239australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...

> >>To put a dollar value on it: A "drop it" command would
> >>have saved an acquaintance a $1000 surgery bill on her lab.

That so?

Seems the DROP IT command happens AFTER
the dog has TAKEN the FORBIDDEN FRUIT.

> >> Said lab (not a puppy) wouldn't give up a squeaky
> >> and, when presented with a treat in exchange,

You mean as a BRIBE to release what IT got
in ITS MHOWETH that YOU WANT MOORE
than the stinkin weenie you're offerin IT in
EXXXCHANGE?

EVEN A DOG GOT MOORE BRAINS than
to fall for THAT kinda IDIOCY.

> > > made the decision to swallow the toy

As ANY critter would, being PURSUED by
a COMPETITOR, dog lovers. What do you
EXXXPECT a dog to do when you're fixin
to STEAL his BHOWENTY.

> >> and then grab and swallow the treat bag.

THAT'S what The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
been TELLIN you bums in HIS N.I.L.I.F. Posts.

REMEMBER, matty?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ the dog is
fixin to tell yout to SHOVE IT and RIP YOU
OFF for your weenies and FIGHT you if you
offer a protest.

THAT'S HOWE COME your stinkin N.I.L.I.F.
program GETS SOME DOGS DEAD, matty.

> > I'm very sorry for what must have been a terrible
> > scare for your friend as well the risk to the dog,

MOST of HOWER DOG LOVERS here abHOWETS
have BEEN THROUGH the SAME SAME SAME SAME
for the SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON.

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
goes "BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!"

REMEMBER NHOWE, matty, you lying dog
abusing punk thug coward MENTAL CASE?

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!

> > but it's hard not to admire a dog with
> > advanced problem-solving skills.

BULLSHIT.

The dog attacked the bag of treats based on
PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE behavior.

A freakin CHIMPANZEE woulda seen THAT comin.

> It was a scare for me, too.

That so, matty? No "skin off your nose," eh matty?
Hey? That's abHOWET HOWE and where leah got
bit, too.

> How's this for problem-solving:

AllHOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard to
CONsult HIS crystal ball. Ooops! SEZ you're
a lying dog abusing mental case and you
can't post your idiocy here abHOWETS no
doGgamened MOORE.

> The dog went for the hand that was holding the
> bag of treats, not the treat in the proffered hand.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

> In doing so, she scraped up my hand fairly well

The dog BIT you matty. JUST LIKE HOWE
The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ a dog is
SUPPOSED TO DO, matty, on accHOWENT
of THAT is the NATURE of the BEAST.

> (I was attempting the trade

Dogs ain't into TRADING, matty. They
don't CARE abHOWET your "VALUES."

> after my acquaintance stood still after saying
> "drop it drop it drop it" and after her attempted
> wrestling away didn't work).

You went an stuck your hand in the dog's face
to teach IT to RESPECT you for a WEENIE.

> BTW, this was the second time this dog had
> had bowel surgery and the Nth time she wouldn't
> give up a toy to the owner.

Well, perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of
all the REINFORCEMENT you've done on
this behavior problem by REWARDING
BAD BEHAVIORS with TREATS, eh matty?

> I told her to get her dog to the vet ASAP,

On accHOWENT of you fed IT a whole bag
of "treats" to wash DHOWEN a squeeky toy
you din't have the INTELLECT to GET THE
DOG TO PLAY WITH?

> but she waited until the next day.

"Birds of a feather," eh matty.

> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"We Had "Come" Down Pat In A Few Reps
And You Could Have Knocked Me Down
When I Tried The Exercise With "Drop" And,
After A Few Reps In Different Spots Darwin
Practically *Threw* The Ball At My Feet On
Command," Ben.

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

===================

You can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE
on accHOWENT of you're a liar a dog abuser a coward
and active long term incurable MENTAL CASE


Pawman
2005-11-20 15:31:58 EST
Well jerry has hit a new low. Insulting a girl with physical
disabilities now. My stepson is physically disabled and terminally ill
and perhaps I am a little sensitive to such things But if you said
those things about my son in this country I would have you arrested.
For a man who is supposedly all for the humane treatment of animals you
sure are an inhuman and insensitive fuckwit.
You can insult all the professionals all you like jerry, none of them
take you seriously but show that you at least have some decency......
oh why do I bother, jerry you are a pathetic excuse for a human being
and a chronic waste of oxygen.

I am just so glad that your last post will remain as a fine example of
a human being that you are...... thank goodness for archives.

Regards,

Grant 'The Paw Man' Teeboon
Police Dog Handler - RAAF 26 years service
www.thepawman.com.au
ICQ# 12854070

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