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Cat_lover
2005-10-12 12:42:08 EST
We have had our dog for about 3 months and have realized he is way to much
for us. I want to find a good home for him. Where is a good place to find
a home for your dog?

Thanks

Trina is TX


Mysetters
2005-10-13 08:42:00 EST
Trina, I'm not sure what type dog but Craigslist is one site, if its a
hunting dog gundogsonline is another. Good luck.


A*@HushMail.Com
2005-10-13 09:21:25 EST
From: AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaborat...@HushMail.Com
Date: 12 Oct 2005 14:37:14 -0700

Subject: Re: how do i find a good home for my dog

HOWEDY cat_lover,

cat_lover wrote:
> We have had our dog for about 3 months and
> have realized he is way to much for us.

That's RIDICULHOWES. Your problem is you've
been followin the advice of the miserable
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards who lock
their dogs in boxes and ignore their cries
and spray aversives in their faces and jerk
choke shock bribe and intimidate them.

> I want to find a good home for him.

He's GOT a GOOD HOWES, cat_lover. All you
gotta do is LEARN HOWE to pupperly handle
and train him and he'll be #1 in your HOWES.

> Where is a good place to find a home for your dog?

Might wanna try a SHELTER / RESCUE:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

> thanks in advance

NOT SO FAST. HERE'S HOWE COME the SHELTER IS FULL:

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

g*.@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

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"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," racetrack silly.

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

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"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message

news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...

Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message

news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
(at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
guys talk about over there) means that you are an
ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
further notice.
Sally Hennessey

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT.

HERE'S HOWE COME:

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
more, while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
I would hope that every other reader of this group
would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."

Lynn K.

---------------------------

> Thanks

You're welcome!

> Trina is TX

HOWEDY imda

i*.@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a 17 week old Australian Sheppard

That's irrelevent. A dog is a dog.

> and am having a problem leash breaking him.

That's because you don't know HOWE to pupperly
handle your lead and condition your dog to TRUST
that you won't jerk choke or drag him on leash.

The first thing you will learn reading the Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual, is how to get the
dog to relax and pay attention to the handler.

That is done through the Hot And Cold Exercise,
where I teach you how to control the lead without
force, and command the dogs attention through
praise administered with proper timing. This
quickly conditions the handler and the dog to
pay attention to each other and not pull.

Then, the Family Pack Leadership Exercise builds
on the attention gained through the Hot And Cold
Exercise. The FPLX makes the dog want to follow
the handler, and teaches him his position in the
family, and insures that he respects and follows
all family members' leadership. It is during this
simple, subtle, but profoundly important exercise,
that we begin to install the come command as a
conditional reflex.

The come command then becomes the default command,
to be used any time the dog fails to follow a
command as asked, since when he comes to you, he
naturally subordinates himself.

Learning how to install a conditioned reflex can
be applicable to any command that we desire to
install as a conditional reflex. I refrain from
using conditioned reflex for most commands, because
I prefer to allow the dog to think the behaviors
through, rather than simply react in reflex, to
help them generalize the idea, so that they use
their judgment in applying things we are teaching
them, to various situations.

These combined exercises take about fifteen minutes,
and can be practiced in about six or eight minutes
after they have become familiar. I recommend these
exercises be done several times in several places,
and thereafter repeated anytime the dog seems to be
not paying full attention or following commands immediately.

Through learning how to use sound distractions and
praise to eliminate unwanted behavior, we break
undesirable behavior patterns without conflict or
stress, insuring that the trust and respect we
are working on establishing, are not eroded through
conflict, stress, or punishment.

The relationship that we form through these exercises,
makes the dog want to do anything you ask. Through using
the come command as a default when the dog chooses not
to follow a request, we are able to get out of a
confrontational situation, and change it to a more
effective state of mind, and address the problem in
a more effective, positive manner.

The above is all covered in detail in part one of the
Wits' End manual. Part two continues to more specific
obedience training techniques based on establishing a
balance between the dog and handler through the heeling
pattern exercise.

These techniques will improve the behavior of any dog,
and will give you all of the tools you need to help your
dog reach his maximum potential.

The procedures for the above exercises are available
for free in the Wits' End Dog Training Method manual.
I'm always available to help clarify or further explain
and give variations on the information contained in the
manual.

> I got the dog when he was 14 weeks old.

That's irrelevent. You can train ANY dog to
naturally want to do ANY THING YOU ASK at
three weeks of age.

> He loves to play in my backyard

Of curse.

> and spends most of his time with me and my wife.

Good.

> When I try to put him on a leash he
> doesn't want anything to do with it.

That's normal. Dogs DON'T LIKE havin something
around their neck to get pulled around with.
We've got several posters here who've CRIPPLED
their dogs trying ineffectively to "train" them
using choke and pronged spiked pinch choke collars.

> He will just lie down and refuse to move.

We've got several posters here who's dogs do likeWIZE.

> I know he is afraid of being in areas he doesn't know yet

THAT'S because HE DON'T TRUST YOU. You don't suppose
he'd EVER be AFRAID if he was with his MOM, do you???

> so I have been trying to leash break him in the back yard.

NO. It SEZ in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual that dogs
DO NOT LIKE being "trained" in their PLAY AREA, it makes
them ANGRY and AGGRESSIVE.

Furthermore, you CANNOT tie your dog to your
belt or allow IT to DRAG his leash behind him
as the PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS tell us to do,
that makes the dogs FEAR their leashes.

> He hates not being able to run around like
> he usually does and even with treats its
> hard to bribe him to walk.

INDEEDY. You CANNOT use "treats' to "train" your dog
because it'll make him MISTRUSTFUL and AGGRESSIVE:

Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966).

> Any suggestions on how to leash break him???

ALL behavior and temperament problems are caused by
mishandling, therefore ALL behavior and temperament
problems can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY:

Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOS...@no.umn.edu> wrote in message
Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.

And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--

"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@­­chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!

<snip>

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15 min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id 3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fo ­­tografie/doggy-pictures/

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b*.@gmail.com wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.

Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.

> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.

----------------

From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website

Hi Buzzsaw

Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!

I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh

I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.

Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.

Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!

the first time I ask.

Best of Luck to you,

Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.

Cheers
Barb

"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net> wrote in message

news:m01Hc.20882$uK.16329@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.

Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.

His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!

> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.

Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.

You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.

<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>

Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida

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To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog
today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting. I would
love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
the site--please send the address--

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
-Sunshine come goodboy.

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

===================

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before. I
never trained or owned a dog before this year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he isvery eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence
------------------------------------

"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com wrote in message

Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard
info, so I haven't actually started to train yet.

Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey was
going balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see
who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy, It's a
stranger, Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me a
quizical look, and came and sat beside my feet!

OMG, I could not believe it!

I was totally floored, as this has been his behavior
since a pup. Just wanted to update, and Pokey and I
are hitting the sack...;)

Brandy

From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -

Re: Am I expecting to much

Hi Jerry,

When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.

It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.

It really does work.

He was very confused at first, wondering what he
had done to get the praise.

But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.

Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.

Thanks,
N
=========

From: <BNTDO...@aol.com>
To: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training

Hi Jerry,
Send the post to whom ever you wish to. Believe
me I will keep you updated. I got to tell you His
amazing progress almost makes me cry.
Kay Pierce

From: BNTDO...@aol.com
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day.

Major break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training is:

Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was
diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by my
side where he belongs.

Thank you so much.
Kay

========================

From: <BNTDO...@aol.com>
To: <jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Head Hunter

Dear Jerry,

Just thought I would write to let you know how
well Hunter is doing. He had been trained using
the conventional methods for obedience. He had
gotten used to a choker and a pinch collar.

Alot of pain and a lot of jerking around. I had also
tried using positive reinforcement methods that I
had been trained in. He was so busy looking for
the treat that he didn't really want to work.

So I went back to using the pinch collar on him
and also a gentle leader when we were in public.
Slowly by degrees his behavior got worse and
he did deserve his reputation as a vicious dog.
The vet had recommended that he be put down.
I was in a panic when I found your web site.

Thanks! He is now the happy dog that I first
started out with 5 years ago. I am a professional
trainer and it was distressing to me that I could not
help my own dog. I had been told that some dogs
don't respond to any kind of training and that a
vicious dog can never be trusted again.

I disagree!

Hunter is a sight hound and now I can take him
with me and he doesn't chase cars as much
anymore which is one of his main problems.

We are working on the dog aggression thing.
And I am confident that will be successful too.
I also have your BIOSOUND machine and that
too is working good. I know of several rescue
groups that would benefit from it.

This is rather long I know but it comes from the
heart. My Head Hunter Green and I have together
along time and have been through so much together.

Thank you for helping me save his life.

Kay Pierce

========================

From: "Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:22:03 GMT
Subject: Re: How to desensitize VERY sound sensitive dog?

Tracy,

What worked for me, in just one storm, was to praise
the dog after each clap of thunder, telling him he's
a Good Dog!

This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.

The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.
There was more thunder just the other day, and same
thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
trying to hide at all, it was that simple.

I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem to be
a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-abusive way
of handling dogs WORKS. Wonderfully. Praise.

It's that simple.

Juanita

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

==============================

From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:

Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!

===================

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

"Hoku Beltz" <h...@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message

news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com...

Aloha Sunny,

Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
insignificant some of the step seem to be and your puppy will
be a very well behaved dog in a few days.

I would seriously consider backing out of the training
classes as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.

I went the training route first, and still had problems until
I found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.

You won't be disappointed if you follow the program.

Good luck,
Hoku

==================

From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

==================

From: Eric
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!

He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!

Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.

I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.

A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

==========================

"Zack Pellers" <ZackPell...@GUESSWHERE.cc>

wrote in message

d*.@towson.edu (Derek) wrote in news:
6*.@posting.google.com:

Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.

Http://www.DoggyDoRight.com

You can start by downloading the free training
manual available on the site above. I used it on
my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro.

When I first brought him home from rescue, he
was similar to the way you decribed your dog.

After using Mr. Howe's training method, the dog
was cured within 72 hours.

-Jack

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yoshi"

Yoshi: Bark, bark,

us: HUSH Youshi

Yoshi Bark, bark......................

us: Hush Youshi

Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................
it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking

We decided to try the Jerry method:

Yoshi: BARK, BARK

US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?

Yoshi Bark, Bark

US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.

Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.

I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this.

Thanks Jerry

ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,

Estel J. Hines

==============

Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@corp.supernews.com

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)

Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: m...@crneckiy.com
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227

======================

From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:38:11 -0500
Local: Tues, Jan 25 2005 11:38 pm
Subject: PuppyWizard Thanks..for the Help!

Thanks Jerry for the help.. I really appreciate it!
I am posting this so others will see as well!

Hi Jerry,

> Oh joy, sure wish I had a bigger house ....<sigh>..
> but I don't. I live in a one bedroom apartment, so
> Beau and I spend most of the time in the living room.
> That's where the TV and computer are This is where
> he does the most of his growling and barking.

O.K., doesn't matter WHERE you go when
you got to get up and GO to make him follow.

> I have praised him...hummed a little de de de te de ta ra...
> I have gone to another room. I have tried to change his
> mind set with one of his toys.

O.K., but don't GIVE him the toy, ONLY use
it as a BRIEF NON PHYSICAL distraction.

> This is not a house, so not very big, so when
> we go to the kitchen or bathroom ..there is
> enough room for Beau to sit or down. Bedroom
> isn't large either..when we head for there he
> thinks it's either time for bed or I am going to
> change.( such a man! lol)

We only got to go to another door or room
to break the growling for a moment and return.

> When we go back to the living room we start
> what seems to have become routine all over
> again.

FOLLOW THE TECHNIQUE.

You must always ALTERNATE the sound from
that LAST INSTANCE you used it.

> He barks, I praise, hum and try another room
> or play with a toy. I guess what I am saying is
> he only stops for a very short time.

O.K., that seems to be the cause of the problem.
You're not following the technique precisely.

> If I am watching a program on TV or on the
> computer doing something by the 12th time
>and interruption I am the one getting frustrated!

Right. He's probably not stopping cause you're
failing to continue from the LAST instance of
distraction, OR that you're trying to physically
break the behavior.

> I just want an hour or so without interruption.

NO PROBLEM.

> Sometimes he gets up on my lazy boy chair
> stares at me and growls ( his apartment bark)

He's sayin HOWEDY! PRAISE HIM.

> now he wants something.

No no, no.

No.

> What do you want?

Oooops!

> I ask... play toy? cookie? outside pp?..
> Yep that's the one he wants to go out,
> I know he doesn't have to pee as we
> were just out 30 min ago.

Then TELL HIM so

> He just wants to go out look around make
> sure all is secure.or make like a reindeer
> jumping thru the snow ol usually he goes
> peepee and poopie when asked, so at this
> point I ask for peepee as that's why we are
> out here now. I swear he squeezes out 3 or
> 4 drops just to please me or prove he really
> had to go. ( a perfect con job)<smiling>

Right.

> I am beginning to think ..a) he has total control of me..

MUST be a blond thing!

> b) perhaps we have to go work more.

Naaah. I think you're just not followin the method precisely.

> This little guy is really very amusing and clever,

Yeah. That's HOWE COME we gotta alternate
the direction the distraction comes from EVERY
TIME, and the chain of events NEVER BREAKS.
Always remember the LAST INSTANCE of sound
distraction and use another direction NEXT time.

There's other suggestions I'll have for you if you
don't think THAT'S the problem.

> when he comes and growls at me and I ask questions ..

Good.

> he listens very carefully and cocks his head as
> if to say " what was that? did I hear you right?"
> then he runs to what he wants if I don't get it right.

Yeah... he's talkin.

> When relaxed he gathers as many of his toys as
> possible and brings them all up on my chair,stretches
> out across my legs or climbs over the keyboard on
> my lap for a hug, and will then settle down for a snooze.

Yeah, it's DEFINATELY a blond thing.

>When I am at home he would like me attached
>to his hip or he attached to my lap.

FINE.

> Not enough he sleeps with me ..lol and has
> to cuddle into my back.

Fine.

> Am I expecting too much?

I think I'd draw the line at cudling.

> or too soon?

Your pup should be nearly perfect nearly instantly.

> Is there a point where too much praise
> turns to no longer having control or a dog
> taking advantage?

NOPE. Perhaps if you praise him in advance
he won't ask you to do stuff like take him out
for a look see?

> Or am I just allowing too much trying to do the right thing?

I think you're makin a very tiny mishandling error,
probably by not alternating the direction EVERY
TIME.

> I am afraid at times my frustration may undo
> some of the good changes already accomplished.

That WILL happen if you scold him.

> Did I mention we work every two or three days
> pending on the weather and walk or play in between.

That's FINE.

> Gees ...I'm smiling now, I think he knows I'm writing you ...

They KNOW stuff.

> he has been snoozing across my legs since I
> started this note, you guessed it... not a growl,
> bark or sneeze. yep and he is still breathing.

Sounds like he's a little hyperactive.
That'll settle down in a few more days.

> This is like taking a noisy car to the mechanic,
> when you get there the car quietly purr's.

Just let me know what he's doin and what
you're doin and we can see what's goin on
and fix it nearly instantly.

> Well thanks for any help.

My pleasure

TPW <{) ; ~ ) >

Cheers,

Barb (BarbnBeau)

Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:56:40 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks for the note...and reminder's
To: "Barb E" <>

HOWEDY BarbnBeau,

Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

Barb E <> wrote:

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for your notes....

Pretty scary isn't it a blonde dog and a blonde
owner, no wonder the little guy is confused !

Not sure what I thought I was doing re: barking and
growling... sometimes I take things so literally.

I thought you had mentioned humming as a deterrent?
However I concentrated on repeating my little tune
completely, not thinking about changing the direction
of sound.

OMG I have enough trouble carrying a tune never mind
throwing my voice ....hahaha (way too funny)

So, we are going back to real noise and ALTERNATE the
sound from that LAST INSTANCE. ( light bulb moment)
I am NOT following the technique precisely!! duh.

I agree I think he is a tad hyperactive.. but I can
usually get him to calm down and breathe by "down"
and "stay" with lots of praise for a period of 3 to
5 mins. then release and back to playing. ( a puppy
time out lol)

re: cuddling.. Beau sleeps with me and I usually sleep
on my side. Once I move to my side he shuffles in closer
his back slightly touching mine... I think it's his way
of keeping track of me, making darn sure I don't go
anywhere without him!

You will be happy to hear after receiving your note,
and reminder's. Sir started his barking so I went
back to alternating sound and lo and behold he reacted
very quickly and stopped. ( your right.. way too blonde)
We also went down for our last pee break before bed and
wouldn't you know we timed it when the newspaper man
arrived, Beau gave one quick bark and he immediately
stopped.

Lucky me my dog is smarter than I am, the improvement
is there in spite of my errors! Now that you got me
back on track perhaps we will see more improvement.

Thanks once again for your help, will let you know
how things go.

Stay warm.. (for us that means 32 degrees today)

Cheers,

Barb

> Thanks, David

You're welcome. I don't want to BORE you
with all the DETAILS of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual, but just a few of the 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student's REPORTS might persuade
you not to believe the PROFESSIONAL DOG
ABUSERS you're asking for HEELP.

LIKE THIS:

From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:12:38 -0500

Subject: Re: PuppyWizard Thanks..for the Help!

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:38:11 -0500,

"BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>Thanks Jerry for the help.. I really appreciate it!
>I am posting this so others will see as well!
>Hi Jerry,
>> Oh joy, sure wish I had a bigger house ....<sigh>..
>> but I don't. I live in a one bedroom apartment, so
>> Beau and I spend most of the time in the living room.
>> That's where the TV and computer are This is where
>> he does the most of his growling and barking.
>O.K., doesn't matter WHERE you go when
>you got to get up and GO to make him follow.

<Skip reposting of Jerry drivel.>

I believe you've been told that Jerry is killfiled
by the majority of regulars here. If you think his
advice is valuable and enjoy dealing with him, good
for you. However, reposting Jerry spew that people
use a killfile to avoid tends to suggest that you're
trying to annoy us, and even if you're not, it's
going to get you killfiled.

Let me be one of the first: PLONK.

Mustang Sally

Looks like racetrack silly is a little jealHOWES:

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

"My spayed Siberian bitch marks and covers all
over the place, as did my spayed Dalmatian bitch.
The Borzoi doesn't, but she is *extremely* submissive."

Sally Hennessey

"Oops, hit "send" too fast. Of course bitches in
season are advertising, so that type of behavior
might be typical of Murphy. And some folks think
that spaying actually increases dominant/aggressive
behavior in bitches that were dominant/aggressive
beforehand, so perhaps marking behavior also
increases in those bitches."

Sally Hennessey

"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message

news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...

Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:23:46 +0100
Local: Mon, Apr 9 2001 5:23 am
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message

news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
(at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
guys talk about over there) means that you are an
ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
further notice.
Sally Hennessey

You startin to get the doGgamened PICTURE?:

Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<*.@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

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> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."

HOWEDY People,

Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

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> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.

This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

"*.@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400

You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.

I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.

This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!

The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.

Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.

A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.

Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.

The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.

The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.

They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)

Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.

It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.

One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!

Even Skinner understood this!

And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.

Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!

Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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T*@AniMail.Net
2005-10-13 10:02:32 EST
HOWEDY mysetters,

mysetters wrote:
> Trina, I'm not sure what type dog but Craigslist
> is one site,

Craigslist is a non specific general classified
sales advertisment listing where people sell
stoves cars and dishwashers. The EXXXPERT DOG
LOVERS here recommend PLACEMENT, not classified
general sales of their beloved ethickally bred
pets.

> if its a hunting dog gundogsonline is another.

That's where dog lovers go to learn to choke and
shock their dogs, mysetters:

Dog Training Collars

More than 30 years ago, electronic dog training collars
made their way into the dog-training scene. However,
because the first generation of electronic dog training
collars were only capable of delivering one level of
stimulation to the dog, they where appropriately nicknamed
dog training shock collars.

Recognizing the limitations of the first generation of
electric dog training collars, manufacturers worked to
refine their design. Within the last 5-10 year, the
technology of electronic dog training collars was replaced,
giving the trainer the ability to select multiple levels of
intensity from the transmitter.

This single advancement combined with customer education
has done more for the widespread acceptance of dog training
collars than any other advancement with electric dog training
collars.

If you are unfamiliar with the proper use of electric dog
training collars we recommend the Total E-Collar
Conditioning with Mike Lardy - Video or DVD.

========================

ONLY a lying dog abusing punk thug coward MENTAL
CASE would believe the INTENSITY of the "NICKNAME"
has any bearing on the levels of DENIAL, CRUELTY
STUPIDITY, and MALICE of dog abusing mental cases,
mysetters.

> Good luck.

Dog training AIN'T LUCK, dog lover.

Perhaps it's because of your thirty five levels of
"MEDICAL GRADE STATIC LIKE STIMULATION" formerly
"NICKNAMED" "SHOCK COLLAR" that your dog PISSES all
over your own HOWES, mysetters.

Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<*.@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer


Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology


From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."

HOWEDY People,

Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.

> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.

> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.

> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.

> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.

This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

"*.@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400

You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.

I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.

This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!

The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.

Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.

A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.

Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.

The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.

The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.

They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)

Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.

It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.

One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!

Even Skinner understood this!

And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.

Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!

Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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Joe792
2005-10-13 17:43:29 EST
There are also rescue orgs for various breeds. A web search will find them
and they can help as well as give you good tips on finding a real home and
avoiding some of the pitfalls which could see your pet in a kill shelter in
short order.


cat_lover wrote:

> We have had our dog for about 3 months and have realized he is way to much
> for us. I want to find a good home for him. Where is a good place to find
> a home for your dog?
>
> Thanks
>
> Trina is TX


A*@HushMail.Com
2005-10-13 21:48:12 EST
HOWEDY joe792,

joe792 wrote:
> cat_lover wrote:
>
> > We have had our dog for about 3 months and
> > have realized he is way to much for us. I
> > want to find a good home for him. Where is
> > a good place to find a home for your dog?
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Trina is TX

> There are also rescue orgs for various breeds.

Yeah. GETTIN RID of troubled dogs owned by doting
loving owners is NOT the solution to animal abuse.

Most of the dogs winding up in "shelters" and
"rescues" are there because of temperament and
behavior problems CAUSED BY the handling and
training recommended by shelters and rescues.

> A web search will find them

We got 'em all right here. We got some of the
most self serving lying dog abusing punk thug
coward mental cases involved in "shelter" and
"rescue" like racetrack silly tara o. aka tee
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and janet boss
who choke shock intimidate and murder innocent
defenseless dumb critters AND LIE ABHOWET IT.

> and they can help as well as give you good tips
> on finding a real home and avoiding some of the
> pitfalls which could see your pet in a kill shelter
> in short order.

Well, that's if the SHELTER and RESCUE organization
DON'T FREAKIN MURDER the dog for more money paid by
the state to MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters.

LIKE THIS:

HOWEDY paul,

Paul Richardson wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is a somewhat depressing post,

Yeah? You AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN yet, paul...

> so please only read if are generally concerned.

Having NOT READ AHEAD, The Amazing Puppy Wizard
PREDICTS it is YOU who is the CAUSE of the "PROBLEM".

> I have worked in kennel management, mainly rescue for most of my life

That so? We got a LOT of "RESCUE" folks right here...

> Now I'm managing some commercial kennels that also deal with rescue.

There's money to be made hand over fist, comin an goin
with your RESCUE organizations.

> We are boarding a Staffordshire Bull Terrier male on behalf of the police

That's kindly of the heat to provide boarding for their dogs...

> that is in on the Dangerous Dogs Act for biting a child 12
> months ago on two seperate occasions.

Oh, they're holding him as EVIDENCE.

THAT'S NORMAL, paul...

> The owners were the scum of the earth and trained the dog to bite -

That so? The Amazing Puppy Wizard trains all HIS dogs to bite.

> there is no question of that.

INDEEDY. That's the dog's JOB.

> She has since been banned from owning dogs for 10 years.

Oh? So the dog is lookin for a new HOWES?

> Now legally, a dog that bites anyone can be classed as dangerous

Yeah. That's on accHOWENT of the imbeciles who work in the business.

> irrespective of it's upbringing

All behavior problems are caused by mishandling, not bad dogs.
All aggression is fear. All fear is caused by mishandling. Folks
who COMPLAIN and BLAME the breed or the dog are the CAUSE of the
MISHANDLING these dogs are reacting to as any critter will do.

> and personally whilst I am a devoted animal lover,

Yeah. You work in RESCUE.

> I can understand why.

That so? What you UNDERSTAND is HOWE COME you MURDER dogs.

> In short, a dangerous dog is euthanised.

In shorter, you're a dog abusing mental case.

> My moral problem

Your MORAL PROBLEM is you're a dog abusing punk
thug coward blowhard who hurts intimidates and
murders dogs and blames the dog or the breed
for the mishandling you give them <{) : ~ ( >

> with this dog

A dog is a dog.

> is this....

That you KNOW NUTHIN but think you do...

> 1) The dog has been in boarding kennels for 12 months now.

That's nice.

> These are kennels only designed to hold dogs for a
> few weeks at the most, they are small.

If they're TOO SMALL for a dog to live in comfortably
the kennel should have it's licence pulled an be shut
DHOWEN. or they could only board TINY dogs... IF the
facility doesn't have OTHER DEFECTS.

> 2) Because the owner keeps appealing the dogs euthanaise,

You think dogs that scare you should be murdered
on accHOWENT of THAT is the HUMAN NATURE of a dog
abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) : ~ ( >

> the dog is still here, slowly rotting in kennels.

Isn't this the kennels YOU are WORKIN at, paul?

> 3) The dog has never been walked, played with, given
> attention or even health checked since it has been in

Well, perhaps you're TOO BUSY SAVIN all the dogs that need your heelp?

> because it is on the dangerous dogs act and we have
> been refused permission to do anything other than
> feed it.

Right... that means you can't take IT HOWET of the facility.
But that DON'T mean you can't make him HAPPY and comfortable.

UNLESS YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE.

It's ONLY a DUMB ANIMAL. Certainly a GENIUS like yourself
who's WORKED ALL HIS LIFE in RESCUE can make a dog FEEL GOOD
withHOWET KILLIN IT like mikey ball does to HEELP <{) ; ~ ) >

> The kennels are on a hatch system where the dog can be
> isolated without coming in to contact with anyone cleaning
> the kennel or feeding it.

Well paulie, perhaps givin the caliber of the dog lovers
you work with, based on your own EXXXAMPLE are not the
sort of folks a self respecting dog would want to pal with?

> This cannot be right.

You'd PREFER to MURDER the dog, paulie?

> I have been at these kennels for only a few months and
> it is breaking my heart. In 12 months the dog has calmed
> down and appears to have lost its vicious streak.

AMAZING?

> Does anything know what the true legal standing
> is in terms of either release or euthanaise on
> the grounds of animal welfare???

Yeah. "Animal welfare" MEANS YOU DON'T MURDER INNOCENT
DUMB ANIMALS on accHOWENT of YOU AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT
to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog.

> Any replies would be greatly appreciated. I cannot divulge
> the whereabouts of the dog, so please don't ask. My reason
> why is that these kennels need to be brought up to speed on
> several issues regarding animal welfare and if I loose my
> job here these impovements will not get done.
>
> Paul R.

HOWEDY Bob,

Bob wrote:
> we currently have a 4 year old beagle and my
> fiancee is throwing a fit for another dog.

Good.

> We visited a place called noah's ark

I'm sure Noah's Ark is as fine and reputable
rescue / shelter organization as existS anywhere.

> and they are a no kill shelter.

You mean they disadvantage dogs who are having
behavior problems from their original homes for
a WEE BIT OF MONEY and SELL THEM to "adoptive
parents" for a WEE BIT OF MONEY and will accept
them back for a WEE BIT MORE MONEY and SELL THEM
again to another adoptive forever family for a
WEE BIT MORE MONEY instead of teaching families
HOWE to puperly handle and train those dogs in
just a few minutes by simply DOING EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been
taught by the EXXXPERTS who teach us to lock our
dogs in boxes and ignore their cries, bribe and
spray them in the face with aversives for being
afraid lonely and looking for unconditional love
trust and respect.

> We liked one dog there. It was given up by its
> owner and labeled as being "to much".

That little dog could have kept his original home
had these RESCUERS offered his people a few minutes
of EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
CONDITIONING:

<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > Here's HOWE: < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>

> I'm guessing the problem

Behavior science is NOT a matter of GUESSWORK
EXXXCEPT AS TAUGHT by our UNIVERSITY BEHAVIORISTS
and professional trainers.

> is in the potty training department

HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age.
ONLY a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER or university trained
behaviorist could CONfHOWEND nature's perfect
HOWEsbreaking program.

> and chewing

Destructive chewing is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
(like ALL temperament and behavior problems)
like fear of thunder, car sickness, aggression
and self mutilation, therefore they can be CURED
NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply DOING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of HOWE our EXXXPERTS teach.

LIKE THIS:

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.

I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.

It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come
home to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

==================

From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home! ;)

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!

_____________________________­__

Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

=====================

Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...

> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> anxiety surrogate toy technique."

> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with
> my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault

Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).

Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa

===========

> from the little info I could get from them.

Often folks don't disclose ALL the behavior
problems they're having with the dogs they're
ABANDONING because they're AFRAID they'll MURDER
THEM due to a LACK OF INFORMATION thanks to the
massive efforts of ETHICKAL breeders, vets,
trainers, shelter / rescue operators and university
trained behaviorists who PROFIT from idiopathic /
iatrogenic temperament and behavior problems which
comprise 90% of today's veterinary care.

IOW, there's NO REASON ANY DOG should EVER be
in a RESCUE or SHELTER unless it's due to family
hardship or being "lost". CO-INCIDENTALLY, dogs,
like children DO NOT GET LOST, they RUN AWAY from
abusive / neglectful / uncaring / doting (CON-
TROLLING) families.

> It was very playful and interested in us.

Fine. Take him and rehabilitate him in WON DAY
using the EFFECTIVE METHODS and INFORMATION I've
provided you FOR FREE, the INFORMATION the DOG
LOVING EXXXPERTS will WARN YOU NOT TO BELIEVE
because IT DISCREDITS EVERY THING THEY TEACH.

> We also went over to animal control and my fiancee
> wants to get one of the dogs with some burn marks
> (not really sure what it is) just to help out.

That's probably the best choice if you want to
save a dog's life. The critters in the "NO KILL"
shelter will have time to wait for a new home.

Offer them a copy of my FREE manual and they'll
LAUGH THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU for giving them BUNK
as professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer from UofWI sez
it is:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
>> I haven't read any other advice that says to
>> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
>> does next (the common advice is to praise once
>> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
>> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
>> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
>> is an important part of the process.

And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

=================

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

> I can completely understand this but all the dogs
> there seem quite timid or agressive.

Duh??? They've been DISADVANTAGED by their original
forever owners who FOLLOWED THE ADVICE of the EXXXPERT
PROFESSIONAL trainers and veterinary ethologists like
we got RIGHT HERE who've been IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and
DISCREDITED by THEIR OWN WORDS as QUOTED in The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's revealing posts.

> Our dog is a little bossy and stubborn

You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled
as you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS.

> but is quite playful after she gets comfortable.

AS STATED: "You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled as
you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS."

> I'm kind of torn on what we should get.

GET THIS FIRST:

<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>

> I really love the dog at noah's ark

Fine, if that's what you prefer.

> even though she might need some extra work.

SEZ WHO? The EXXXPERTS who DISADVANTAGED HER of
her original family for a lack of INFORMATION
IDEAS and METHODS and will DO and SAY ANY THING
to DEFEND their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMDIATE
and MURDER innocent critters?

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/12/21
Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer

In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"

<*.@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> do you find that he masturbates more frequently after
> such instances? (referring to your post about your dog
> using a pillow to get himself off)

First, I punish behavior, not dogs.

Second, I rarely issue corrections.

Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.

I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
such dog behavior offensive. Eating dog poop, for me, is
another story. And the rate of that behavior has also
diminished with time. :-)

--Marshall

> They are also full right now which means
> they can't except anymore dogs

That's probably good, because EXXXCEPT for
STRAY and HARDSHIP cases THEY GOT NO DAMED
BUSINESS disadvantaging dogs of their homes
when all it takes is a FEW MINUTES to LEARN
HOWE to pupperly handle raise and train ANY
critter, including children:

<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/07/14
Subject: Re: Puppy adolescence

In article <378CB7A8.757C6...@earthlink.net> jillbr...@earthlink.net
writes:
>Myth or fact?

> Our beagle pup has always had her share of attitude
> (c'mon, it called "spunky," mom), but I seem to be
> getting more than my fair share of blank stares these
> days. For example, she's across the room, I tell her
> to come, she stis there, tilts her head and stares at
> me. I can almost hear her little doggie brain thinking
> "wonder what'll happen if I ignore that???"

> Do all dogs have random periods of disobedience or is
> this the doggie-adolescence I've heard about (she's
> 10.5 months)? How long might it last? What's the best
> way to handle it -- do I clamp down a little or just
> wait it out?

>thanks,
>-jill

My dog almost always comes when called. I would assume
that this is because coming is often consequated with
some form of reinforcement like food, petting, the
opportunity to play a game, etc.

But there are some times when he does not come.

These are infrequent. What do I do? I say, "bad dog"
and the moment he starts coming I say "good dog."

Why is "bad dog" effective?

When my dog was a puppy and he did not obey a command,
that was in his repertoire, I would say "bad dog" and
pick him up by the back of his neck and deliver a brief,
"harsh," lecture.

I would assume that in the process, I established "bad
dog" as a powerful conditioned punisher. I also did the
"bad dog" harsh lecture routine, when he would eat his
poop which he seemed to do quite often.

My dog, a Havanese, is quite a "softy" so I quickly
discovered that not much of a "lecture" was needed
to establish "bad dog" as a conditioned punisher.

I should also note that I said "bad dog" in various
ways, including near whispers. The net result is that
"bad dog" functions as a conditioned punisher even
when whispered.

So, if my dog just "sits there" when I say "Max come"
and then I whisper "bad dog," the vocalization in
principle punishes the ongoing behavior and so the dog
is disposed to do something else and that something else
is almost always following the previously issued command.

(You really don't want to issue the same command multiple
times without some consequences for failing to comply, for
then your dog will initially ignore your commands!)

I am NOT a dog trainer. I am a behavioral psychologist
(Associate Professor) who has loved dogs all my life.

I write this because it is likely that Jerry Howe, who
apparently opposes all forms of punishment, will post
a follow-up to this post.

His follow-up will likely not directly answer your
question but instead refer you to his poorly written
training manual or his magic black box that putatively
cures nearly every canine problem.

His follow up, unfortunately is also likely to personally
attack me. You are free, of course, to form your own
opinions and follow Jerry's advice.

I want you to know that although I have used punishment,
infrequentely and in limited ways, my dog is strongly
bonded to me. He follows me everywhere, he sleeps with
me, he cuddles at night with me, and he loves to perch
himself on my legs, much like a cat, when I'm reading a
book or talking to folks with my feet outstretched.

I don't see where the limited use of punishment has
harmed him in any general way. Perhaps, the limited
punishment I have used together with all the postive
reinforcement I have provided for "coming" and "going
down" in the context of drills, in all sorts of settings,
and under all sorts of circumstances, will someday save
his precious life.

I hope this post is helpful (also see below). Diane
Blackman, Avrama Gingold, Paulette Nolan, Ludwig Smith,
Lynne K. and others regularly post great advice here.

Individually we sometimes make mistakes, but collectively
I think we offer a variety of viable approaches limited
mainly by our inability to be with you and your pooch at
your home.

Best wishes,

Marshall

I have listed below, in rank order, ( 1 = "The
Best") my favorite sources.

1. Overall, K. L. (1997). _Clinical behavioral medicine for small
animals._ St.Louis: Mosby

Professor Overall has earned many degrees (MS, VMD, PhD)
and is certified by the Animal Behavior Society as an
Applied Animal Behaviorist.

2. Diane Blackman's Fun with Your Dog:

Diane has compiled "tons" of information about dogs.
This work in progress reveals Diane's tremendous love
and respect for dogs.

http://www.dog-play.com/

3. Prof.Mark Plonsky's Fabulous Site:

Mark's site has won numerous awards. It is VERY complete.

http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/mphome.htm

4. Frequently Asked Questions

Cindy Tittle Moore has written the "classic"
Usenet source for information about pets.

http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/noframe.html

5. Karen Pryor's Web Site:

Discover clicker training and training resources.
Clicker training is a positive approach!

http://karenpryor.com/

Also check out this URL for more on clicker training:

http://www.superdog.com/clicker.htm

6. Gary Wilkes's Click & Treat Web Site:

Much excellent training information.

http://www.clickandtreat.com/petproj.htm

Tell us HOWE bribing and withholding bribes and
punishing BONDING EFFORTS like MOUTHING and JUMPING
teaches dogs to want to come EVERY TIME you call
them, professor, despite Skinner's clear denunciation
of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.

Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward
not received is experienced as a punishment and can
produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et
al, 1966)."

> ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.

Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.

> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.

From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website

Hi Buzzsaw

Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!

I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh

I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.

Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.

Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!

the first time I ask.

Best of Luck to you,

Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.

Cheers
Barb

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

===================

From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -

Re: Am I expecting to much

Hi Jerry,

When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.

It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.

It really does work.

He was very confused at first, wondering what he
had done to get the praise.

But it really gets the attention and distracts him
from whatever he may have going through his brain
when he hears it.

Dogs are funny, but people are too.
Can't wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc.

Thanks,
N

"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net wrote in message

> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.

Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.

His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!

> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.

Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.

You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.

<<<< Rest of original post deleted

Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida

-----------------------

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence

To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAI

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog
today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting. I would
love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
the site--please send the address--

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
-Sunshine come goodboy.

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)

The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training
for years. I have a huge library that covers
every system of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
Training Method is by far the most scientific,
the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
and the most effective training method yet
discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and
tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
Every behavior problem and every obedience
skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please
endeavor to understand the basis of his system
and please follow his directions exactly. His
manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur
and how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his
methods based upon what you personally like or
dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a
complete and integrated system for not only
training a dog but for raising a loving
companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system
creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
response was that it produces for your dog the
owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
with you, if you praise your dog every time he
looks at you, then you will become the center
of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
your dog to not misbehave (even in your
absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
it takes just minutes to train you dog to
respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
legs would carry him in response to my recall
command-and he comes running every time I call
no matter where we are or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
response is to oppose you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
person's ideas based upon their personality. As
far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not
effective and that it will certainly lead to
behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
that people put their dogs down because of those
problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
scientific literature it is referred to
allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
to force; they respond in like kind to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as
you would the law of gravity and you will have
astounding success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry

> and the rest will just go into animal control anyway.

PERHAPS NOT if folks LEARNED HOWE to pupperly
handle raise and train the innocent defenseless
critters our veterinarians and trainers tell us
to LOCK IN BOXES and IGNORE THEIR CRIES and offer
toys to diminish their mouthing and biting BONDING
EFFORTS and shock choke and spray them in the face
with aversives:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

> thanks in advance

NOT SO FAST. HERE'S HOWE COME the SHELTER IS FULL:

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

g*.@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."


"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

------------------------------­---

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," racetrack silly.

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

------------------------------­------

"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...

Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
(at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
guys talk about over there) means that you are an
ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
further notice.
Sally Hennessey

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.

> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...

> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT.

HERE'S HOWE COME:

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
more, while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
I would hope that every other reader of this group
would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."

Lynn K.

---------------------------


As example of a contradiction in terms, Here's HOWER
good professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its
face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
reflection" dermer, our behaviorist from UofWisc,
discussing RELATIONSHIPS and training:

Marshall Dermer wrote:
> In article <7mlbpo$h6...@fnord.io.com> tit...@io.com
>(Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:

> >Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> writes:

> >> If [one] gets the dog to open his mouth by
> >> itself it is not forcing the dog [...]?

> > Selective editing, because I'm not at all
> > interested in the "win- lose game" aspect
> > you keep belabouring:

> In the method I posted for training a retrieve,
> it is true that I opened my dog's mouth and I
> understand why compared to other methods, like
> the one that accompanied my post by Diane Blackman,
> people could describe what I did as using force.
>
> But again, from my standpoint, all behavior is
> forced; from my standpoint volition is an illusion.
>
> As Cindy, cogently noted above, "force" is a difficult
> concept to address.

Yes, you might say it's painful for her, because
it exposes her as a dog abusing Thug like yourself,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

> My point here is that any such discussion involves deep
> philosophical and religious issues.

Dogs don't have those issues, professor. They only know
pleasure or pain, if that's what you offer them. We don't
have to look to Plato or G-d, all we have to do is look
on your local law books and see the definition they have
for animal abuse.

If hurting dogs is in there, then we got no freaking
philosophical discussion. Hurting dogs is CRIMINAL
BEHAVIOR, and knowing that, anyone hurting dogs would
either be criminal or INSANE, or BOTH.

Wouldn't you agree professor?

> For any training procedure we should ask:
> 1) effectiveness--does it work?

My methods work like MAGICK, professor.

> 2) efficiency--does it work quickly and with
> minimal resources?

No, professor. That's where my method fails. You've
got to be bright enough to actually read the method
or ask me for help, if you need any.

> 3) relationship--does it strengthen or weaken
> the extent our pet/friends will bond with us?

I never angered a dog telling him he's a good boy.

Well, "almost" never.

> [That's why we try to almost always use positive
> reinforcement rather than punishement.]

Not me. Almost always, professor? Always. You're almost
always a doubletalker, professor. . Never use any negative
interaction with your dog if you want him to do every thing
you ask.

> Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always
> considers 3) whereas we sceptics always consider
> 1) and 2). ;-) --Marshall

O.K. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton
candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high
wire act, performed without a safety net...

Let's have a go at it, shall we? I'm going to explain
a couple of things to you that I'd kind of like you
to keep in mind, even though you probably won't
understand what it is that I'm saying. Otherwise,
you'd have understood by now. Ferstaisch? It would
have been obvious to you, had you read my manual.

Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic
Box, always considers 3)" relationship--does it
strengthen or weaken the extent our pet/friends will
bond with us?

Now let's discuss your SCRUFF SHAKE and Maxie
The Magnificent Masturbator's OCD'S.

SEE? SEE? SEE?

HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,

Tee wrote:
> "Janet Puistonen" <boxhill@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tCgFe.13181$iR2.3656@trndny02...
> >
> > Tara, did you find it helped at all with the marking problem?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

Shocking dogs is CRUEL and UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT
and is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE for use on prisoners
of war accordin to the Geneva Conventions.

> No but then I didn't use it for correction purposes.

Right. Wouldn't wanna GIVE CORRECTIONS on
accHOWENT of THAT makes dogs GO INSANE.

> We had two *training* sessions where I used the collar

You mean you and your PROFESSIONAL SHOCK COLLAR trainer
whom you was renting the thirty five levels of medical
grade static like stimulation collars.

> to reinforce commands Joe Joe knew

Dogs ARE so WILLING to PLEASE, ain't they
tara o. aka tee. Your pal Master Of Deception
blankman was FEELIN BAD for the lack of
consideration and personal caring which HIS
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
teaches..., cold, even, she FEELS BADLY for
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs. Pass a tissue?

> and obeyed.

If you ASK he'll DO if he WANTS to.

> I figured this would be the most helpful
> in introducing him to this tool

You mean, kinda like GREASIN HIM UP for a schtuppin.

> since I was giving him things that he already knew
> how to do so his success rate was very high.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

HOWE abHOWET his garbage and C-HOWENTER surfin
and all them other bad behaviors, did you get
a chance to SUCCEED with any of thems? There
was quite a list of bad behaviors you CAN live
with, REMBMER?

> He did fine,

That so? You mean on the commands that he ordinarily
does on accHOWENT of he knows them so well from rote.

> I kept the sessions short and stopped when
> it looked like he was done

HOWE can you tell? Does a little timer pup HOWETA
his butt like a Butter Ball Turkey tara o. aka tee?
HOWE HOT is DONE for a 67 P-HOWEND Boxer Rescue Dog?

Have you had him on the scale lately? He could
stand to have his ribs a little covered. Ooops!
Sorry, almost FORGOT abHOWET your obsessive
compulsive eatin disorders...

> and made sure to end on a positive note.

Do tell? They got a whistle that goes off like a teapot?

> Unfortunately though he seemed slightly depressed (mopey)

Naaah? You mean kinda like HOWE your SHELTER / RESCUE /
FOSTER care pal cindi done to her dog Buck when she went
HOWET to "TRAIN" with him? Buck shook like a BHOWEL of
Jello for three days and DIDN'T learn what she went to
BURN HIM FOR. I think it was a difficult come command
and the stand command for which FRAUDreck strapped the
shock collar to Buck's bell and BURNED HIM to make him
stand on command.

That's abHOWET the EZiest command to teach
a dog tara o.aka tee.

> after each session

And you wasn't even usin it for CORRECTIONS?

> and while this state didn't last long

Yeah... LUCKY THING The Amazing Puppy Wizard isn't
SENSITIVE to dog's FEELINS like HOWE your pal Master
Of Deception blankman was just tellin The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's new Student DaveR since his DOCILE
new puppy WENT INSANE from bein locked in a box
and CORRECTED by simply sayin NO! and takin stuff
away and REWARDING it with a toy or treat and THEN
his dog started obsessive compulsive SHITTIN ALL
OVER his HOWES kinda like HOWE Joe Joe and professora
melanie's dog Skeeter PISSES all over your HOWESES.

CuriHOWES AIN'T IT HOWE MANY DOMINANCE PISSIN DOGS
and OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION y'al are havin eh tara?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

LET'S LOOK AN SEE WHO'S DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS
and then LOOK AN SEE HOWE them dogs GOT THE SAME
HANDLING METHODS to CURE those problmes.

1. suja, RESCUE / SHELTER VOLUNTEER. Opposite
sex dog aggression on Khan, EXXXTREEEM
anXXXIHOWESNESS with both, and shyness and
fear aggression and Khan broke suja's arm
boltin after a innocent critter on leash.

2. We got you, of curse with your ALPHALPHA BITCH
Fancy who's always dominated with your permission
EVERY Boxer Rescue Dog Of NC that you've FOSTERED
and of curse your own DEAD DOG SUMMER whom you
COULDN'T STOP HURTIN so you MURDERED her DESPITE
The Amazing Puppy Wizard offered her a SAFE FREE
HOWES FOREVER <{); ~ ) >

3. We got leah, who's POSTED CASE HISTORY of her
dogs destroying EVERY THING and biting her five
times and her STUDENT'S dogs murderin innocent
DEAD DOGS in the park and her STUDENT'S BUNNY

4. We got culprit aka kelly who's OPPOSITE SEX
dogs ATTACKED each other and MURDERED her seven
THOWESAND dollar DEAD KAT two weeks after she
started BURNIN them and the kat bought the farm
when the MENTAL CASE FORGOT to put their SHOCK
COLLARS ON and they GOT HER where kelly aka culprit
HAD BEEN BAITING THEM with the kat calls to TRAIN
THEM TO THE SHOCK COIN-TRAINMENT SYSTEM just like
the TWO systems that janet boss overlooked when
she MURDERED their little dog in her SHELTER on
accHOWNT of he was grHOWELIN at visitors and she
thought he'd KILL their grandkids on accHOWENT of
he was HUMPIN THEM IN PLAY.

5. We got professora melaine with her DOMINANCE PISSER
Skeeter who dogman sez NEEDS to be jerked and choked
on her pronged spiked pinch choke collar and of curse
Solo who's been IN TREATMENT at UofPA behavior clinic
and on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for five years EXXXCEPT
that summer he was boarded when she went to EU with
EXXXCEPTION of his attack on that kennel worker the first
week, but THEN he was takin off his MEDICATION and WAS
NORMAL, GOOD, PERFECT until a couple days after she retuned
AND HE WENT NUTS AGAIN.

6. We got Cubbe who TRIED to attack two children she'd
been playin with till they stepped into her SHOCK
ZONE but not to worry, Cubbe DID BITE her ONLY friend.
And of curse, Cubbe has a surrHOWEND shock system
and needs to be walked on her PRONG and attacks other
OPPOSITE SEX OLDER DOGS...

Strange, strange, strange behavior for RESCUE DOGS.
You'd think the little snots would be GRATEFUL!

> I didn't want to continue in that vein

You mean being incompetent or hurtin your dog? OR BOTH?

> if it was going to leave a negative impression with him.

Naaah, dogs are RESILLIANT and FORGIVIN. Like Summer.
Oooops! Almost FORGOT. YOU MURDERED HER for FEAR aggression
towards SMALL CHILDREN despite she was RAISED WITH WON.

> The marking has gone back down to a here & there thing

That so? S-HOWENDS like your shock collar trainin
was working HOWE COME would you stop? THAT'S often
HOWE COME people fail to train their dogs and have
to GIVE THEM THE NEEDLE like when Robert Crim didn't
wanna HURT his DEAD DOG Fritz noMOORE and MURDERED
HIM JUST LIKE HOWE you done your own DEAD Boxer
Rescue dog Summer.


> and interestingly

VERY. Don't you REMEMBER dogman TELLIN Robert to
FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS in his koehler book? You
got to TAKE CHARGE and USE THE TOOLS G-D gave you~!
well, RENTEED. And PAID a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER to
HEELP you HURT your dog NOT ENOUGH.

BWEEEEEAAAHAHHAHAAA!!!

> enough I've noticed an increase in squatting behavior.

Perhaps he's SICK? Better take him to the vet, eh?
leah took Madigan to the vet for the same problem
and got her on antibiotics with NO MEDICAL PROBEM
just to satisfy her in case IT was comin DHOWEN
with a POTENTIAL UTI.

You beginin to see a pattern?

> Maybe its coincidence

NUTHIN HAPPENS BY COINCIDENCE EXXXEPT TRAINING
when you use fear force intimidation avoidance
bribery physical rewards withholding attention
and afection and crating on accHOWENT of PUNISHMENT
DERRANGES BEHAVIOR and makes it DIFFICULT to TRAIN.

> or maybe my use of heavy praise for squatting and
> ceasing praise for leg lifing has something to do
> with it.

Have you been RESTRICTING HIS WATER and LOCKIN IT IN
THE BOX to HEELP HIM DO GOOD THINGS and AVOID BAD?

> He still marks the hell out of my flowers and bushes

You could EXXXTINGUISH THAT in a couple repetitoins.

TRY IT. You'll SEE.

> but he seems more inclined to squat when
> I command him to "go potty."

Could be SUBMISSIVE URINATION.

> While this seems like good news

Praise UNTO HIM!

> I've unfortunately noted some other things that
> still support adopting him to another home.

You mean GETTIN RID of the PROBLEM.

> He spent the better part of last week
> keeping to himself in his crate.

SHAAAAZZZAAAMMM!

THAT'S HOWE COME his HOWES PISSIN went
DHOWEN "for the better part."

BWEEEEEEAHAHHAAA!!!

> He and Fancy kept their distance

Kinda like a Mexican Standoff.

> willingly

They're OPPOSITE SEX... THINK ABHOWET IT.

Ooops! They AIN'T REALL opposite as they've
both been inapupriately unnecessarily surgically
sexually MUTILATED which MAKES CRITTERS FEARFUL.

Case in point, an Arab Stallion, neutered at
five years of age, TURNED SPOOKEY at NUTIHIN
on the trails and was dangerHOWES to ride on
accHOWENT of he'd GO OFF sideways and doin
other PAINIC behaviors.

Took TWO SESSIONS to EXXXTINGUISH the behavior.

IN FACT, it was the SECOND SESSION that The
Amazing Puppy Wizard SAID "It'd be nice if
you can find a SUMPTHIN that you KNOW will
spook him and set it HOWET on the trail to
PROOF him... and as we made a "blind turn"
abHOWET twenty feet DHOWEN the road was a
BIG RED and WHITE newspaper vending machine
type containers that SHOULD HAVE DROVE HIM
NUTS. He DIDN'T EVEN LOOK. Didn't break stride.
DIDN'T CARE. A few minutes later a big old
TORTIS came HOWET and sauntered along the
trail as was his family a bit up the road,
things WE KNOW had SPOOKED him pryor.

We trained him JUST LIKE it sez in your
own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

ASK ANYWON.

> and each seemed to go out of their way to avoid the other.

RIGHT. THAT'S FEAR BEHAVIOR. THAT'S NOT NORMAL...
UNLESS YOU WANT THAT BEHAVIOR TO BE NORMAL.

> Fancy has started blatantly challenging him

TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.

Yannow sumpthin tara o. aka tee? Much as
The Amazing Puppy Wizard LOVES TO BE CRUEL
HE HATES sayin I TOLD YOU SO AGAIN and AGAIN.

AND AGAIN.

> when inside the house

WHO'S HOWES? WHO SETS THE RULES? Hmmm?

TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.

> and I've seen one more dog fight.

Duh-Oh?

OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION IS UNHEARD OF IN NATURE.

PUNISHMENT DERRANGES BEHAVIOR.

ALPHA THINKING CHALLENGES and PROVOKES.

CORRECTIONS and SCOLDING and WARNINGS TO BEHAVE
AND THREATENING MAKE DOGS THINK YOU'RE GANGING
UP ON WON of 'm and TEACHES THEM TO CORRECT
OTHERS.

> Today they are best friends

Kinda like that submissive behavor?

> but yesterday they were merely housemates

Till the FIGHT. Then they GET SUBMISSIVE
till their ANXXXIHOWESNESS goes up and
sumpthin SPOOKS EM and they GO OFF as
you stand there SCREAMIN and thowin the
hose on them in the yard where you SET
THAT UP so your BITCH Fancy can TRAIN
the NEW DOGS FOR YOU JUST LIKE HOWE siFOOL
wanted to do for his dog that is ATTACKIN
HIM for WITHOLDING HIS RAWHIDE.

Of curse his POSTED CASE HISTORY of SCRUFF
SHAKING and otherWIZE ABUSIN HIS DOG on
accHOWENT of HE READ A RELIABLE SOURCE
TEACHIN SCRUFF SHAKIN...

So his dog TURNED ON HIM JUST LIKE HOWE
janet boss's STUDENT from RIGHT HERE<
newssa's dogs WOULDN'T HOWEsbreak for
THREE YEARS and TURNED ON HER to boot
thanks to janet and sinofabitch SHOCKIN
and JERKING and CHOKING them AFTER they
DESTROYED HER HOWES like leah's dog done.

> and who knows what tomorrow will bring?

You REALLY REALLY REALLY WANNA KNOW,
tara o. aka tee? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAA!!!

CuriHOWES you gave the answer pryor to
The Amazing Puppy Wizard ASKED. Request
DENIED. It shall remain a SECRET just
a tad bit longer, be patient, The Amazing
Puppy Wizard got over forty years INVESTED
IN PUTTIN YOU and YOUR ILK HOWETA THIS BUSINESS.

Oooops! The Amazing Puppy Wizard BLEW HIS SURPRISE.

NO PROBLEMO. JUST BE PATIENT. Think SACRIFICE.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!

NHOWE THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA? We'll SACRIFICE
the DOG LOVERS to make a statement to the world,
it'll be a CULT thing, like tommy and the girls
are always sain there AIN'T NO CABAL.

Well, the SURPRISE is HOWETA the bag, so The
Amazing Puppy Wizard might as well SPILL THE
BEANS and let you know there IS a CABAL.

IT'S REAL. IT'S TRUE. And IT AIN'T JUST The
Amazing Puppy Wizard who SEES IT, dog lovers.

> Joe Joe is a perfect fit for the humans in the house

So long as you GREASE HIM UP, tara o. aka tee.

> and I believe he'd find himself happy here without Fancy.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

Till you DRIVE HIM INSANE JUST LIKE HOWE you done
your FIRST DEAD Boxer Rescue Dog Summer.

> Since Fancy *is* here and its her home too

Well then, just train them to share an share alike.

> I just think this is a sad case of right dog,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has NEVER SEEN the WRONG DOG.

> wrong home.

INDEEDY. That's the BHOWE on the SURPRISE.

> I believe

Allelujia!

Think PINK Kool-Aid. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
always looks luschiHOWES in PINK.

> there's a better match for him out there,

Please tara o. aka tee, The Amazing Puppy
Wizard has been stickin it to you bums BIG
TIME and sayin sumpthing like THAT is as true
as when your pal FRAUDreck sez "if they knew
anything abHOWET TRAININ THEY WOULDN'T NEED
TO CALL HIM" on the radio SHOWE where the
12 y.o. boy asked HOWE to train his little
Chihuahua to DHOWEN.

FRAUDreck told him to HIRE a trainer.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Check it HOWET.

Go to his website. ASK FRAUDreck for ADVICE.

He'll tell you he's like a DOCTOR and he
can't DIAGNOSE on the WWW BWEEEEAHAHAA!!!

Then ask him HOWE did he REALLY do with
cindi and buck there stories DIFFERED a
bit after a little QUESTIONING from Jerry
HOWE.

> one without another dog to compete with,

Hey? Suppose SUMPTHIN CHANGES? Like maybe
a kid returns with their own dog, that'd
mean someWON ELSE got to FIND A NEW HOWES.

You CANNOT DO THAT to dogs. You shuffle
them arHOWEND to suit the needs and desire
of all the SUCKERS you take advantage of
and short shrift the dogs by failing to
train them FROM THE GIT GO so you don't
have to TAKE THEM IN for a WEE BIT OF MONEY
and SELL THEM AGAIN as ADOPTIONS, TAX DED.
to boot, eh tara o. aka tee?

You suppose that a organization NETWORKING
THAT KINDA SCAM is covered by the RICCO act?
IT'S CRIMINAL what you bums are DOIN BY YOUR
OWN WRITTEN WORDS.

The STATISTICS are TOO CONSISTENT to be LUCK.

> who will fall

The WHOWEL doGgamenedbunchofya together
in WON FELL SWOOP <{); ~ ) >

Hey? Any of you sympathetic types seen
eddie w of PET LOSS DOT COIN lately?
Tell him lightenin strike was lookin
for him...

> head over heels

Naaaa, MOORE LIKE A ROCK...

BWEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAAA!!!

> for him

HOWE could WON NOT? He WAS PERFECT.
Well, close, if you can tolerate a
few typical Boxer habits.

> just as everyone else who knows him has done.

EXXXCEPT YOUR DOG. You called her your ALPHA BITCH.

YOU SEZ IT IS SHE who TRAINS ALL YOUR NEW DOGS
as is OFTEN RECOMMENDED here abHOWETS.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't approve of
allHOWEING the dogs to SET THEIR PECKIN ORDER
HE TEACHES THEM to BE TRUSTING FRIENDS by simply
NOT DOIN NUTHIN LIKE HOWE YOU DO IT AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN.

So? What's tommorow gonna bring?

> --
> Tara

ALL DEPENDS ON WHICH END OF THE PISSER YOU'RE ON,
tara o. aka tee, Boxer Rescue Of NC <{); ~ ) >


"Only the unenlightened speak of
wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise.

If any man knows one,
he enjoys the fruit of both.

The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.

He who perceives that the two are one
knows the truth."

"Even the wise man acts in character
with his nature,
indeed all creatures act
according to their natures.

What is the use of compulsion then?

The love and hate which are aroused
by the objects of sense
arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.

They only obstruct the path." -
-
Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
Krishna with permission from
His FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.


The ROCK. Born Of A Virgin. Crucified For His Sins.

"Born Of A Virgin?"
Mental Illness,
Ethical Breeding & BehaviorISM

HOWEDY People,

Mental illness runs rampant within families:

HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,

"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message

news:cda6a8$8nl$1@uwm.edu...

> In article <Fri9527C06A5DBF3australianshepher...@rocky-dog.com>
Rocky 2...@rocky-dog.com, writes:
> >Marshall Dermer said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> >> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my
> >> mentally ill mother

Any ETHICKAL breeder would DISCONTINUE
the DEFECTIVE LINE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

> >> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
> >> When the doctor completed the examination,
> >> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
> >> herself to be a virgin!

Many breeders, especially when dealing with
temperaMENTAL bitches rely on artificial insemination.

> >> Now if my Jewish, biological mother reported
> >> herself to be a virgin than what might this make
> >> me? :-)

An artificial breeding EXXXPERIMENT?

The remainin choices ain't all that appealin, professor.

> >Heh.

Heh heh.

> > Maybe it's time you visited one of
> > those links listed in my header.

Heh. Maybe it's time for you lying dog abusing
punk thug cowards to find your own PRIVATE
list where you can hurt dogs and lie abHOWET
it all you like withHOWET fear of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING MOCKING and
RIDICULING your "methods" by QUOTING you.

> Hm...if I were the Moshiach (Hebrew for "the
> anointed one")

You mean, bein a non believing jew who PREYS
like HEEL when he was SICK and DYING, born
of a lying whore, or a MENTAL CASE, on accHOWENT
of as a SCIENTIST you CANNOT BELIEVE in G-D,
therefore your PREYIN was DEFECTIVE, likeWIZE,
therefore, a VIRGIN BIRTH would necessarily be only
ANOTHER LIE or a psychotic break from reality.

You figger HOWET what THAT would make you, professor.

> then I would have "cleaned up" this world.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
your WORK and EXXXPOSED you as a lying dog
abusing FRAUD, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

> As for folks believing they are the Messiah

Or a SCIENTIST not believing that MENTAL
ILLNESS is EITHER hereditary or environMENTAL...
IOW, ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAIVOR, professor
SCRUFF SHAKE.

> (or Jesus in the case of Christians),

Or perhaps The Amazing Puppy Wizard for those
non believers amongst us, particularly SCIENTISTS
who've been PROVEN FRAUDS, professor.

> a classic study of three people who claimed to
> be Jesus is introduced here:

<snip link>

A classic study of a lying dog abusing punk
thug fraud behaviorist is introduced here...

> This is good too, especially the song at the end.

The SONG at the end is a FUNeral dirge, professor.

> Kol tuv, (all that is good,)

INDEED, professor. ALL IS GOOD.

> --Marshall

ESPECIALLY if you're DIVINE.

But it ain't over till The Fat Lady sings.

Hark! Methinks The Amazing Puppy Wizard
hears her warming up right NHOWE:

"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.

Good.

> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.

I recall.

> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic, as
> well as amusing!

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD TO CALL
> HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!

The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.

> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.

You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.

> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya

I was thinking about your difficulties with
your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
and the come command installed will solve
most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We
can speak over that if you are set up for it,
and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to
pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
your arm down at your side with the length of the
lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help.

Jerry.

"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.

> Tracy,
> What worked for me, in just one storm,
> was to praise the dog after each clap
> of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
> This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
> The next time it thundered, he did not even
> react at all--you could not tell it was the same
> dog as before.
> There was more thunder just the other day,
> and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
> cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
> it was that simple.
> I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
> to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
> abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
> Wonderfully.
> Praise.
> It's that simple.
> Juanita

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks, so is he."
Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

"We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
>> I haven't read any other advice that says to
>> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
>> does next (the common advice is to praise once
>> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
>> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
>> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own
>> experiences is an important part of the process.

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

=================

"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

>>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
>>> reduction, it went something like this
>>> with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"
>>> Yoshi: Bark, bark,
>>> us: HUSH Youshi
>>> Yoshi Bark, bark......................
>>> us: Hush Youshi
>>> Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ................................. >
>>> it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
>>> We decided to try the Jerry method
>>> :Yoshi: BARK, BARK
>>> US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
>>> Yoshi Bark, Bark
>>> US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.
>>> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
>>> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
>>> can praise him, to deal with things like this.
>>> Thanks Jerry
>>> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
>>> Papers, and learn how to live with our son
>>> "Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Estel J. Hines

==============

> There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

"Ned" <komod...@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:fQIg9.25850$561.25365@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

> Hi !
> Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she
> will be 4 months on the 30th).
> When we first brought her home she had
> a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
> my 3 year old twins) during playtime. It drove
> everyone in the house nuts and it brought my
> little girls to tears as you can imagine.
> We tried saying no, and that would just get
> her even more excited, so we would yell no
> and that would just get her "scared" but still
> excited. In short it just wasn't working.
> So we finally did what Jerry has suggested
> to you. We used a sound do distract her and
> we would immediately praise her.
> I have to say that it worked great. BUT she
> then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly
> little thing.
> So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
> but again it didn't work so we went for the
> distraction and praise.
> I must say that she is doing great!
> I hope that helps.
> Edyta aka Ned

===================

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence

------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home! ;)

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!

__________________________________

professor SCRUFF SHAKE CONtinues:

> Sound distraction may be understood in
> terms of the more general behavior analytic
> approach as follows.

> The distracting stimulus

Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?

>evokes a behavior that is incompatible with barking.

You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face
for 5 seconds?

> The dog engages in some other behavior

NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

> and then is reinforced (if praise functions as a reinforcer).

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.

> --Marshal

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<*.@try.it> writes:

> Hi Lynn,

> I used to have a barking problem with my
> German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
> I tried several things recommended to me by
> different trainers, and nothing was working.

> When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
> I thought the same way you did.

> "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
> counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
> I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.

> Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
> such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
> the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
> will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
> but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
> to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> Jenn,

Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????

As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.

Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.

Thanks in advance!

--Marshall Dermer

P.S: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<*.@try.it> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
> me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
> as I love reading your posts, and value (and
> have used) some of your advice.

BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
> to get a plain answer about something instead
> of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
> done.

> Jenn Standring

I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!

--Marshall


From: "Jeff & Di"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual

HOWEDY Diana,

> Hi Jerry,

> Thanks very much for the prompt reply.
> I'm just writing to let you know that I've
> had some wonderful progress with Molly.

Of curse!

> I took her up to the school in the car when
> I was picking up my daughter. My husband
> went to get our daughter while I stayed in
> the car with Molly. It was a quick trip so I
> wasn't expecting any car sickness, but I
> thought it would be a great opportunity to
> work on her fear of people approaching the
> car.

> When we pulled up, there were already a lot
> of people and kids milling around, and as I
> haven't explained the AWETM to my husband
> of course he was yelling at Molly to shut up
> and sit down.

That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.

> As you can imagine this didn't help.

> Once he was gone I simply told Molly she
> was good, she growled a few times at people
> and I said "thanks Molly I see them too, they're
> ok" then I asked her to find her ball which was
> in the back.

I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
to become dependent on putting something
in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
2) it may disavail you of successive training
opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.

> She loves her ball so was keen to do that and
> didn't notice what was by now a big crowd of
> parents and kids passing the car.

See, we really do want her to notice, so
we can briefly and variably distract and
praise to extinguish the behavior.

> I kept up with the "good girl" and "where's
> your ball" soon she was sitting watching
> the people walk past and offering them
> her ball to throw, not that they noticed her.

Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
use the ball again the next time, just follow
the praise techniques.

> But it was lovely to see her so relaxed.

INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.

> Just to add, I was sitting in the front and she
> was in the back of the wagon, so this was all
> verbal praise and distraction with no touching
> or patting.

Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
thinking and processing the information.

> Jerry it is so hard not to yell at the dog when
> you are frustrated and want it to behave immediately,

Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.

> but as you have said it really gets you nowhere in the long run.

"Reinforcement NEVER ends."

That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
and praising before the thought is fulfilled till
it's no longer thought of as a useful behavior.

> I would never of had these great results
> with Molly without your help, as we really
> were stuck in the "yelling at the dog" rut.

Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.

> I have to work on getting my husband to read
> your manual now, by the way an At Wits End
> Husband Training Manual would be helpful too,
> haha.

Not a chance in heel. If Mrs. Puppy Wizard
discovered it I'd be wearin an apron and workin
insetead of settin right here, stark ravin nekkid,
wearin nuthin but these gawd awful paper slippers.

> Thankyou so much for providing this info for free.

My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...

> I was looking at dog training books in the shops

> today and they are so expensive !! (around $30
> to $40 in Australia) Not that I need them now, but
> I like to browse the dog and pet sections from
> time to time.

Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...

> You might like think about publishing a book
> one day, I think it would be received very well
> by the general public and reach those without
> internet access.

I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
on the news groups ain't interested in training
their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
problems and the training tools they used to cause
them.

> I was going to copy my last letter onto the news
> groups but see that you have already done so.

Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
forgeries.

> Feel free to quote this letter too if it helps.

Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
cause it'll be more believable coming from you.

These folks think it should take weeks and
months to rehabiliatate behavior problems.
They think they're successful if they've
rehabilitated an aggresson problem after a
year or longer working at it.

> It's unfortunate that the newsgroups are cluttered
> with rubbish, as It would be nice to discuss dogs
>from time to time with other dog lovers.

That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
don't post there. Every WON is interested
in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.

> cheers,

LikeWIZE.

> Dianna

Yours, Jerry.

HOWEDY Brandy,

"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@posting.google.com...
> KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
<news:2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com>...

> Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
> to train yet.

> Today a salesman knocked on the door,
> and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
> go to the window to see who it is, and
> off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
> a quizical look, and came and sat beside
> my feet!

> OMG, I could not believe it!

> I was totally floored, as this has been his
> behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.

> Brandy

It's customary here abHOWETS to put
NINNYBOY [NINNYBOY] Jerry JERRY
[JERRY] The Puppy Wizard The Amazing
Puppy Wizard in the subject header to
AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's
And All Dogs,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT or CHILD in a few minutes
to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T
follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat and child abusing
MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP.

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
decreased; and two, you have established "No"
as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use
"Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS
works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest?

"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.., "
--John Galsworthy.

Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged
by the way its animals are treated."
~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. <} ; ~ ) >

There are NO grey areas between RIGHT and WRONG.

Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom
and right action as separate,
not the wise.

If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.

He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

What is the use of compulsion then?

The love and hate which are aroused
by the objects of sense
arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path." -

- Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
Krishna with permission from
His FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from
the few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall

The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
and conditioning.

It's the perfect fusion of The Word...,
in the physical.

It's time for the dog training industry and
the universities who TEACH "behaiviorists"
to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100%
NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN
by the cHOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS,
after they've TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS
and FAILED.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral
progress can be judged by the way its
animals are treated." ~ Mohandas Gandhi --
Adapted with permission from his FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs
and GETS THEM DEAD.
> From: "Marshall Dermer"
> <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard

> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

> I have, of late, come to recognize your
> genius and now must applaud your attempts
> to save animals from painful training
> procedures.

> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional
> talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to
> crafting posts to alert the world to animal
> abuse.

> We are lucky to have you, and more people
> should come to their senses and support
> your valuable work.

> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?

> Have you thought about holding a press
> conference so others can learn of your
> highly worthwhile and significant work?

> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.

> I wish you well in your endeavors.

> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
> Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
> of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
> Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> der...@uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> --------------------------------------

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >


Joe792
2005-10-13 23:44:39 EST
Well howdy. Question. If your paste-in's are true, it would appear some
people appear to think you have something positive to offer regarding humane
pet handling. So..why do you work so hard to alienate people who might benefit
from your possible wisdom? If you truely love animals, shouldn't you be selling
yourself and your methods to help those animals? Instead, you appear to be
focused on semirational rants that preclude almost any new people from
listening to you. While this may be personally pleasing to you, aren't you
hurting 1 or more animals every time you make somebody decide you're just a
troll?

Joe

A*y@HushMail.Com wrote:

> HOWEDY joe792,
>
> joe792 wrote:
> > cat_lover wrote:
> >
> > > We have had our dog for about 3 months and
> > > have realized he is way to much for us. I
> > > want to find a good home for him. Where is
> > > a good place to find a home for your dog?
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > > Trina is TX
>
> > There are also rescue orgs for various breeds.
>
> Yeah. GETTIN RID of troubled dogs owned by doting
> loving owners is NOT the solution to animal abuse.
>
> Most of the dogs winding up in "shelters" and
> "rescues" are there because of temperament and
> behavior problems CAUSED BY the handling and
> training recommended by shelters and rescues.
>
> > A web search will find them
>
> We got 'em all right here. We got some of the
> most self serving lying dog abusing punk thug
> coward mental cases involved in "shelter" and
> "rescue" like racetrack silly tara o. aka tee
> lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and janet boss
> who choke shock intimidate and murder innocent
> defenseless dumb critters AND LIE ABHOWET IT.
>
> > and they can help as well as give you good tips
> > on finding a real home and avoiding some of the
> > pitfalls which could see your pet in a kill shelter
> > in short order.
>
> Well, that's if the SHELTER and RESCUE organization
> DON'T FREAKIN MURDER the dog for more money paid by
> the state to MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> HOWEDY paul,
>
> Paul Richardson wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > This is a somewhat depressing post,
>
> Yeah? You AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN yet, paul...
>
> > so please only read if are generally concerned.
>
> Having NOT READ AHEAD, The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> PREDICTS it is YOU who is the CAUSE of the "PROBLEM".
>
> > I have worked in kennel management, mainly rescue for most of my life
>
> That so? We got a LOT of "RESCUE" folks right here...
>
> > Now I'm managing some commercial kennels that also deal with rescue.
>
> There's money to be made hand over fist, comin an goin
> with your RESCUE organizations.
>
> > We are boarding a Staffordshire Bull Terrier male on behalf of the police
>
> That's kindly of the heat to provide boarding for their dogs...
>
> > that is in on the Dangerous Dogs Act for biting a child 12
> > months ago on two seperate occasions.
>
> Oh, they're holding him as EVIDENCE.
>
> THAT'S NORMAL, paul...
>
> > The owners were the scum of the earth and trained the dog to bite -
>
> That so? The Amazing Puppy Wizard trains all HIS dogs to bite.
>
> > there is no question of that.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the dog's JOB.
>
> > She has since been banned from owning dogs for 10 years.
>
> Oh? So the dog is lookin for a new HOWES?
>
> > Now legally, a dog that bites anyone can be classed as dangerous
>
> Yeah. That's on accHOWENT of the imbeciles who work in the business.
>
> > irrespective of it's upbringing
>
> All behavior problems are caused by mishandling, not bad dogs.
> All aggression is fear. All fear is caused by mishandling. Folks
> who COMPLAIN and BLAME the breed or the dog are the CAUSE of the
> MISHANDLING these dogs are reacting to as any critter will do.
>
> > and personally whilst I am a devoted animal lover,
>
> Yeah. You work in RESCUE.
>
> > I can understand why.
>
> That so? What you UNDERSTAND is HOWE COME you MURDER dogs.
>
> > In short, a dangerous dog is euthanised.
>
> In shorter, you're a dog abusing mental case.
>
> > My moral problem
>
> Your MORAL PROBLEM is you're a dog abusing punk
> thug coward blowhard who hurts intimidates and
> murders dogs and blames the dog or the breed
> for the mishandling you give them <{) : ~ ( >
>
> > with this dog
>
> A dog is a dog.
>
> > is this....
>
> That you KNOW NUTHIN but think you do...
>
> > 1) The dog has been in boarding kennels for 12 months now.
>
> That's nice.
>
> > These are kennels only designed to hold dogs for a
> > few weeks at the most, they are small.
>
> If they're TOO SMALL for a dog to live in comfortably
> the kennel should have it's licence pulled an be shut
> DHOWEN. or they could only board TINY dogs... IF the
> facility doesn't have OTHER DEFECTS.
>
> > 2) Because the owner keeps appealing the dogs euthanaise,
>
> You think dogs that scare you should be murdered
> on accHOWENT of THAT is the HUMAN NATURE of a dog
> abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) : ~ ( >
>
> > the dog is still here, slowly rotting in kennels.
>
> Isn't this the kennels YOU are WORKIN at, paul?
>
> > 3) The dog has never been walked, played with, given
> > attention or even health checked since it has been in
>
> Well, perhaps you're TOO BUSY SAVIN all the dogs that need your heelp?
>
> > because it is on the dangerous dogs act and we have
> > been refused permission to do anything other than
> > feed it.
>
> Right... that means you can't take IT HOWET of the facility.
> But that DON'T mean you can't make him HAPPY and comfortable.
>
> UNLESS YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE.
>
> It's ONLY a DUMB ANIMAL. Certainly a GENIUS like yourself
> who's WORKED ALL HIS LIFE in RESCUE can make a dog FEEL GOOD
> withHOWET KILLIN IT like mikey ball does to HEELP <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> > The kennels are on a hatch system where the dog can be
> > isolated without coming in to contact with anyone cleaning
> > the kennel or feeding it.
>
> Well paulie, perhaps givin the caliber of the dog lovers
> you work with, based on your own EXXXAMPLE are not the
> sort of folks a self respecting dog would want to pal with?
>
> > This cannot be right.
>
> You'd PREFER to MURDER the dog, paulie?
>
> > I have been at these kennels for only a few months and
> > it is breaking my heart. In 12 months the dog has calmed
> > down and appears to have lost its vicious streak.
>
> AMAZING?
>
> > Does anything know what the true legal standing
> > is in terms of either release or euthanaise on
> > the grounds of animal welfare???
>
> Yeah. "Animal welfare" MEANS YOU DON'T MURDER INNOCENT
> DUMB ANIMALS on accHOWENT of YOU AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT
> to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog.
>
> > Any replies would be greatly appreciated. I cannot divulge
> > the whereabouts of the dog, so please don't ask. My reason
> > why is that these kennels need to be brought up to speed on
> > several issues regarding animal welfare and if I loose my
> > job here these impovements will not get done.
> >
> > Paul R.
>
> HOWEDY Bob,
>
> Bob wrote:
> > we currently have a 4 year old beagle and my
> > fiancee is throwing a fit for another dog.
>
> Good.
>
> > We visited a place called noah's ark
>
> I'm sure Noah's Ark is as fine and reputable
> rescue / shelter organization as existS anywhere.
>
> > and they are a no kill shelter.
>
> You mean they disadvantage dogs who are having
> behavior problems from their original homes for
> a WEE BIT OF MONEY and SELL THEM to "adoptive
> parents" for a WEE BIT OF MONEY and will accept
> them back for a WEE BIT MORE MONEY and SELL THEM
> again to another adoptive forever family for a
> WEE BIT MORE MONEY instead of teaching families
> HOWE to puperly handle and train those dogs in
> just a few minutes by simply DOING EVERY THING
> EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been
> taught by the EXXXPERTS who teach us to lock our
> dogs in boxes and ignore their cries, bribe and
> spray them in the face with aversives for being
> afraid lonely and looking for unconditional love
> trust and respect.
>
> > We liked one dog there. It was given up by its
> > owner and labeled as being "to much".
>
> That little dog could have kept his original home
> had these RESCUERS offered his people a few minutes
> of EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
> CONDITIONING:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > Here's HOWE: < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
>
> > I'm guessing the problem
>
> Behavior science is NOT a matter of GUESSWORK
> EXXXCEPT AS TAUGHT by our UNIVERSITY BEHAVIORISTS
> and professional trainers.
>
> > is in the potty training department
>
> HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age.
> ONLY a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER or university trained
> behaviorist could CONfHOWEND nature's perfect
> HOWEsbreaking program.
>
> > and chewing
>
> Destructive chewing is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
> (like ALL temperament and behavior problems)
> like fear of thunder, car sickness, aggression
> and self mutilation, therefore they can be CURED
> NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply DOING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
> OPPOSITE of HOWE our EXXXPERTS teach.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
> Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
> Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
> Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
> The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
> Years Experience.
>
> From: Hoku Beltz
> To: The Puppy Wizard
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Mahalo
>
> Aloha Jerry,
>
> Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
> technique is working wonders.
>
> I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.
>
> It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come
> home to a made bed.
>
> Your program is awesome, but you already know
> that. Keep up the good work!
>
> Hoku
>
> ==================
>
> From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
> Subject: Off to a good start!
>
> Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
> your manual and have started working with
> the dogs...
>
> "Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
> "The Destroyer") has already shown
> great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
>
> She responds even better than our other
> (better-behaved) dog "Poe".
>
> We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
> not a thing was touched when we got back!
>
> We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
> that interested in toys and was still very uptight
> about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
> seemed to work.
>
> We both work all day today so we'll see
> how that goes... Regardless, we will be
> cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
>
> I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
> to get through to her! We're very excited about
> her progress thus far...
>
> Thank You!
>
> Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
>
> _____________________________­__
>
> Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
> Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
>
> Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
> spoken with him briefly once by email.
>
> I have no stake or interest in the success of his
> business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
> of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
>
> I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
> animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
> I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
> Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
>
> I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
> personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
> him is not understanding his logic.
>
> Thank you Jerry!
>
> =====================
>
> Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
> "Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
>
> > Hi!
> > I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> > In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> > anxiety surrogate toy technique."
>
> > Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with
> > my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> > Comments? Yves Dussault
>
> Yves,
>
> I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
> just used it last evening while my husband and I went
> out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
> a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
> end to end in the meantime).
>
> Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
> techniques described therein.
>
> If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
> begin the exercises as well.
>
> Regards,
> Lisa
>
> ===========
>
> > from the little info I could get from them.
>
> Often folks don't disclose ALL the behavior
> problems they're having with the dogs they're
> ABANDONING because they're AFRAID they'll MURDER
> THEM due to a LACK OF INFORMATION thanks to the
> massive efforts of ETHICKAL breeders, vets,
> trainers, shelter / rescue operators and university
> trained behaviorists who PROFIT from idiopathic /
> iatrogenic temperament and behavior problems which
> comprise 90% of today's veterinary care.
>
> IOW, there's NO REASON ANY DOG should EVER be
> in a RESCUE or SHELTER unless it's due to family
> hardship or being "lost". CO-INCIDENTALLY, dogs,
> like children DO NOT GET LOST, they RUN AWAY from
> abusive / neglectful / uncaring / doting (CON-
> TROLLING) families.
>
> > It was very playful and interested in us.
>
> Fine. Take him and rehabilitate him in WON DAY
> using the EFFECTIVE METHODS and INFORMATION I've
> provided you FOR FREE, the INFORMATION the DOG
> LOVING EXXXPERTS will WARN YOU NOT TO BELIEVE
> because IT DISCREDITS EVERY THING THEY TEACH.
>
> > We also went over to animal control and my fiancee
> > wants to get one of the dogs with some burn marks
> > (not really sure what it is) just to help out.
>
> That's probably the best choice if you want to
> save a dog's life. The critters in the "NO KILL"
> shelter will have time to wait for a new home.
>
> Offer them a copy of my FREE manual and they'll
> LAUGH THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU for giving them BUNK
> as professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer from UofWI sez
> it is:
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>
> >Paul B wrote:
> >> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> >> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> >> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
> >> does next (the common advice is to praise once
> >> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
> >> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
> >> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
> >> is an important part of the process.
>
> And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?
>
> Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
>
> His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
>
> --Marshall
>
> =================
>
> Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
> at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
> "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
> box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:
>
> "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
> But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
> shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
> then you will have achieved too things.
>
> First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
> and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
>
> How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
> minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
> biting.
>
> ******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******
>
> When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
> forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
> closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
> before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
>
> "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
> to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."
>
> > I can completely understand this but all the dogs
> > there seem quite timid or agressive.
>
> Duh??? They've been DISADVANTAGED by their original
> forever owners who FOLLOWED THE ADVICE of the EXXXPERT
> PROFESSIONAL trainers and veterinary ethologists like
> we got RIGHT HERE who've been IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and
> DISCREDITED by THEIR OWN WORDS as QUOTED in The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard's revealing posts.
>
> > Our dog is a little bossy and stubborn
>
> You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled
> as you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS.
>
> > but is quite playful after she gets comfortable.
>
> AS STATED: "You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled as
> you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS."
>
> > I'm kind of torn on what we should get.
>
> GET THIS FIRST:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
>
> > I really love the dog at noah's ark
>
> Fine, if that's what you prefer.
>
> > even though she might need some extra work.
>
> SEZ WHO? The EXXXPERTS who DISADVANTAGED HER of
> her original family for a lack of INFORMATION
> IDEAS and METHODS and will DO and SAY ANY THING
> to DEFEND their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMDIATE
> and MURDER innocent critters?
>
> From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
> Date: 1999/12/21
> Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer
>
> In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"
>
> <j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> > Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> > do you find that he masturbates more frequently after
> > such instances? (referring to your post about your dog
> > using a pillow to get himself off)
>
> First, I punish behavior, not dogs.
>
> Second, I rarely issue corrections.
>
> Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.
>
> I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
> really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
> such dog behavior offensive. Eating dog poop, for me, is
> another story. And the rate of that behavior has also
> diminished with time. :-)
>
> --Marshall
>
> > They are also full right now which means
> > they can't except anymore dogs
>
> That's probably good, because EXXXCEPT for
> STRAY and HARDSHIP cases THEY GOT NO DAMED
> BUSINESS disadvantaging dogs of their homes
> when all it takes is a FEW MINUTES to LEARN
> HOWE to pupperly handle raise and train ANY
> critter, including children:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
>
> From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
> Date: 1999/07/14
> Subject: Re: Puppy adolescence
>
> In article <378CB7A8.757C6...@earthlink.net> jillbr...@earthlink.net
> writes:
> >Myth or fact?
>
> > Our beagle pup has always had her share of attitude
> > (c'mon, it called "spunky," mom), but I seem to be
> > getting more than my fair share of blank stares these
> > days. For example, she's across the room, I tell her
> > to come, she stis there, tilts her head and stares at
> > me. I can almost hear her little doggie brain thinking
> > "wonder what'll happen if I ignore that???"
>
> > Do all dogs have random periods of disobedience or is
> > this the doggie-adolescence I've heard about (she's
> > 10.5 months)? How long might it last? What's the best
> > way to handle it -- do I clamp down a little or just
> > wait it out?
>
> >thanks,
> >-jill
>
> My dog almost always comes when called. I would assume
> that this is because coming is often consequated with
> some form of reinforcement like food, petting, the
> opportunity to play a game, etc.
>
> But there are some times when he does not come.
>
> These are infrequent. What do I do? I say, "bad dog"
> and the moment he starts coming I say "good dog."
>
> Why is "bad dog" effective?
>
> When my dog was a puppy and he did not obey a command,
> that was in his repertoire, I would say "bad dog" and
> pick him up by the back of his neck and deliver a brief,
> "harsh," lecture.
>
> I would assume that in the process, I established "bad
> dog" as a powerful conditioned punisher. I also did the
> "bad dog" harsh lecture routine, when he would eat his
> poop which he seemed to do quite often.
>
> My dog, a Havanese, is quite a "softy" so I quickly
> discovered that not much of a "lecture" was needed
> to establish "bad dog" as a conditioned punisher.
>
> I should also note that I said "bad dog" in various
> ways, including near whispers. The net result is that
> "bad dog" functions as a conditioned punisher even
> when whispered.
>
> So, if my dog just "sits there" when I say "Max come"
> and then I whisper "bad dog," the vocalization in
> principle punishes the ongoing behavior and so the dog
> is disposed to do something else and that something else
> is almost always following the previously issued command.
>
> (You really don't want to issue the same command multiple
> times without some consequences for failing to comply, for
> then your dog will initially ignore your commands!)
>
> I am NOT a dog trainer. I am a behavioral psychologist
> (Associate Professor) who has loved dogs all my life.
>
> I write this because it is likely that Jerry Howe, who
> apparently opposes all forms of punishment, will post
> a follow-up to this post.
>
> His follow-up will likely not directly answer your
> question but instead refer you to his poorly written
> training manual or his magic black box that putatively
> cures nearly every canine problem.
>
> His follow up, unfortunately is also likely to personally
> attack me. You are free, of course, to form your own
> opinions and follow Jerry's advice.
>
> I want you to know that although I have used punishment,
> infrequentely and in limited ways, my dog is strongly
> bonded to me. He follows me everywhere, he sleeps with
> me, he cuddles at night with me, and he loves to perch
> himself on my legs, much like a cat, when I'm reading a
> book or talking to folks with my feet outstretched.
>
> I don't see where the limited use of punishment has
> harmed him in any general way. Perhaps, the limited
> punishment I have used together with all the postive
> reinforcement I have provided for "coming" and "going
> down" in the context of drills, in all sorts of settings,
> and under all sorts of circumstances, will someday save
> his precious life.
>
> I hope this post is helpful (also see below). Diane
> Blackman, Avrama Gingold, Paulette Nolan, Ludwig Smith,
> Lynne K. and others regularly post great advice here.
>
> Individually we sometimes make mistakes, but collectively
> I think we offer a variety of viable approaches limited
> mainly by our inability to be with you and your pooch at
> your home.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Marshall
>
> I have listed below, in rank order, ( 1 = "The
> Best") my favorite sources.
>
> 1. Overall, K. L. (1997). _Clinical behavioral medicine for small
> animals._ St.Louis: Mosby
>
> Professor Overall has earned many degrees (MS, VMD, PhD)
> and is certified by the Animal Behavior Society as an
> Applied Animal Behaviorist.
>
> 2. Diane Blackman's Fun with Your Dog:
>
> Diane has compiled "tons" of information about dogs.
> This work in progress reveals Diane's tremendous love
> and respect for dogs.
>
> http://www.dog-play.com/
>
> 3. Prof.Mark Plonsky's Fabulous Site:
>
> Mark's site has won numerous awards. It is VERY complete.
>
> http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/mphome.htm
>
> 4. Frequently Asked Questions
>
> Cindy Tittle Moore has written the "classic"
> Usenet source for information about pets.
>
> http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/noframe.html
>
> 5. Karen Pryor's Web Site:
>
> Discover clicker training and training resources.
> Clicker training is a positive approach!
>
> http://karenpryor.com/
>
> Also check out this URL for more on clicker training:
>
> http://www.superdog.com/clicker.htm
>
> 6. Gary Wilkes's Click & Treat Web Site:
>
> Much excellent training information.
>
> http://www.clickandtreat.com/petproj.htm
>
> Tell us HOWE bribing and withholding bribes and
> punishing BONDING EFFORTS like MOUTHING and JUMPING
> teaches dogs to want to come EVERY TIME you call
> them, professor, despite Skinner's clear denunciation
> of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
> THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
>
> Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
> HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward
> not received is experienced as a punishment and can
> produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et
> al, 1966)."
>
> > ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> > minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
>
> You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
> End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
>
> > I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
>
> Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
> a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
> EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
>
> > He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> > to go to the third or fourth try.
>
> From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
> Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
>
> Hi Buzzsaw
>
> Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
>
> I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
> old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
> training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
>
> I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
> addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
> the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
>
> Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
> with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
>
> Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
> and it is immediate!
>
> the first time I ask.
>
> Best of Luck to you,
>
> Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
> he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
>
> Cheers
> Barb
>
> Hi, Jerry.
>
> I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
> with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
> manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
> reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
> the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
> different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
> ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
> (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
> want to push and test me a little bit more).
>
> For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
> how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
> folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
> beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
> if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
> with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
> (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
> tho').
>
> Best, ben
>
> ===================
>
> From: <>
> To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
>
> Re: Am I expecting to much
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
> for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
> Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
> him for 3 years.
>
> It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
> training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
> then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
> it with a "good boy" first.
>
> It really does work.
>
> He was very confused at first, wondering what he
> had done to get the praise.
>
> But it really gets the attention and distracts him
> from whatever he may have going through his brain
> when he hears it.
>
> Dogs are funny, but people are too.
> Can't wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> N
>
> "Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net wrote in message
>
> > Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
>
> Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
> I took a rescued three year old beagle that
> had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
> even recognize or respond to its name to
> Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
> get real) and in just over one hour of working
> with the dog, he was coming on command
> (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
> walking with us on a loose lead.
>
> His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
> command and pack exercise WORK!
>
> > and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
>
> Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
>
> You don't have to like him. You don't have
> to agree with his methods, but as far as I
> am concerned, I've never seen any other
> training approach that was as fast and easy.
>
> <<<< Rest of original post deleted
>
> Ron Flanagan
> Orlando, Florida
>
> -----------------------
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
> Hello.
>
> I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
> I never trained or owned a dog before this
> year.
>
> I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
> with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
> stop barking in a weekend.
>
> Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
> whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
> earlier life is unknown.
>
> I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
> minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
> he came to me every time with no hesitation.
>
> I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
> not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
> door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
> he usually calms down right away.
>
> A couple of times I had to get the cans
> out again to reinforce the behavior.
>
> We feel a strong bond with this animal
> and he is very eager to accept our love.
>
> So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
> I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
>
> His method worked for us.
>
> I don't know if it would have been quite
> as effective if we had tried another method first.
>
> Florence
>
> To: Jerry Howe
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
> WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAI
>
> Sunshine is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog
> today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
> came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
> of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even
> seemed to think about going off-reacting. I would
> love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
> the site--please send the address--
>
> The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
> -Sunshine come goodboy.
>
> From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
>
> The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
>
> I have studied canine behavior and dog training
> for years. I have a huge library that covers
> every system of training.
>
> The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
> Training Method is by far the most scientific,
> the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
> and the most effective training method yet
> discovered.
>
> It is not an assortment of training tips and
> tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
> Every behavior problem and every obedience
> skill is treated in the same logically
> consistent manner.
>
> Please study his manual carefully. Please
> endeavor to understand the basis of his system
> and please follow his directions exactly. His
> manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
> theory, with explanation, with detailed
> descriptions about why behavior problems occur
> and how their solution should be approached.
>
> One should not pick and choose from among his
> methods based upon what you personally like or
> dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a
> complete and integrated system for not only
> training a dog but for raising a loving
> companion.
>
> When I once said to Jerry that his system
> creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
> response was that it produces for your dog the
> owner of his dreams.
>
> You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
> gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
> with you, if you praise your dog every time he
> looks at you, then you will become the center
> of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
> distraction with praise, then it takes
> just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
> your dog to not misbehave (even in your
> absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
> my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
> clip his nails).
>
> Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
> distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
> it takes just minutes to train you dog to
> respond to your commands.
>
> What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
> old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
> legs would carry him in response to my recall
> command-and he comes running every time I call
> no matter where we are or what he is doing.
>
> At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
> upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
> exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
> exercises.
>
> Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
> if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
> you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
> response is to oppose you.
>
> Is Jerry a nut?
>
> It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
> is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
> person's ideas based upon their personality. As
> far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
> upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
> hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
> or hurting dogs.
>
> More than that, he knows that force is not
> effective and that it will certainly lead to
> behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
> that people put their dogs down because of those
> problems.
>
> I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
> control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
> We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
>
> Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
> scientific literature it is referred to
> allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
> to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
>
> Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
> wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
> praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
> anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
> problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
>
> Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
> Training Method as a scientific principle just as
> you would the law of gravity and you will have
> astounding success.
>
> Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
>
> If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
> sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
> get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
> --Larry
>
> > and the rest will just go into animal control anyway.
>
> PERHAPS NOT if folks LEARNED HOWE to pupperly
> handle raise and train the innocent defenseless
> critters our veterinarians and trainers tell us
> to LOCK IN BOXES and IGNORE THEIR CRIES and offer
> toys to diminish their mouthing and biting BONDING
> EFFORTS and shock choke and spray them in the face
> with aversives:
>
> "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
> Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
> lynn.
>
> "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
> just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
> we need to crate train a dog immediately because
> they are usually in need of medical care and they
> are in foster homes with other dogs.
>
> It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>
> - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>
> Lynn K.
>
> > thanks in advance
>
> NOT SO FAST. HERE'S HOWE COME the SHELTER IS FULL:
>
> "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
> Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
> Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
> Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
> LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
>
> "This Article Is Something We've Put Together
> For SF GSD Rescue
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
> Date: 1999/11/20
>
> ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
>
> Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
>
> "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
> forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
> better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
> this situation.
>
> Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
> should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
> to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
> take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
> time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
> whatever other reward system was being used."
>
> 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
> Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
> works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
> dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
> you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
> walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
> why you have the dog muzzled).
>
> If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
> cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
> voice and the collar.
>
> This is important - the correction must be physically
> very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
> to be corrected at all)."
>
> "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
> one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
> schedules and duties causes a great deal of
> scheduling overhead.
>
> And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
> volunteers get the meaningful experience that
> they work for.
>
> Someone has to be responsible for that
> Volunteer Program, and it is best done
> by a non-volunteer."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ------------------------------­---
>
> "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
> every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
> effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
> older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
>
> Should I have refused to groom them?
>
> Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
> had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
>
> I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
> beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
> you'd be singing a different tune?
>
> "Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
> put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
> for the trash company to come and dispose of.
>
> No different tune," ~Emily
>
> "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
> I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
> tech at our local shelter for a while, and
> I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
> animals.
>
> This however has nothing at all to do with
> responsible breeders, because responsible
> breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
> Mustang Sally.
>
> "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
> Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
> Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
> Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," racetrack silly.
>
> Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
> <news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
>
> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> quotes are true.
>
> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> making those calls.
>
> In your post above, you state you do not
> make those calls.
>
> Which one is it?
>
> ------------------------------­------
>
> "Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...
>
> Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
> prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
> intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
> with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
> intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
> own dogs and their reactions better than someone
> who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
>
> I'm starting to see some similarities here.
>
> Sally Hennessey
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
> Subject: Re: shock collars
>
> Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...
>
> Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
> this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
> in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
> same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
> corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
> not mean that such dogs do not exist.
>
> What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
> as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
> thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
>
> I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
> of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
> and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.
>
> I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
> people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
> Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
> you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
> (at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
> your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
> guys talk about over there) means that you are an
> ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
> further notice.
> Sally Hennessey
>
> "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
> Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
> Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
> Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
> The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
> mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
>
> You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
> MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
>
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> > He was next to me and I could see his neck
> > muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
>
> > Janet Boss
> "sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> > "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
>
> > > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > > dog like a Lab.
>
> An INSENSITIVE DOG???
>
> THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT.
>
> HERE'S HOWE COME:
>
> WORDS OF WISDOM
> from our own Lynn Kosmakos
> 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
> For Twenty Years
>
> I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
>
> "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
> requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
> day.
>
> I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
> more, while happily sharing pertinent information
> I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
> I would hope that every other reader of this group
> would be rightfully outraged."
>
> "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
> the right to participate in by observing the
> easily understood rules and contributing to in
> constructive ways."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> As example of a contradiction in terms, Here's HOWER
> good professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its
> face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
> reflection" dermer, our behaviorist from UofWisc,
> discussing RELATIONSHIPS and training:
>
> Marshall Dermer wrote:
> > In article <7mlbpo$h6...@fnord.io.com> tit...@io.com
> >(Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>
> > >Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> writes:
>
> > >> If [one] gets the dog to open his mouth by
> > >> itself it is not forcing the dog [...]?
>
> > > Selective editing, because I'm not at all
> > > interested in the "win- lose game" aspect
> > > you keep belabouring:
>
> > In the method I posted for training a retrieve,
> > it is true that I opened my dog's mouth and I
> > understand why compared to other methods, like
> > the one that accompanied my post by Diane Blackman,
> > people could describe what I did as using force.
> >
> > But again, from my standpoint, all behavior is
> > forced; from my standpoint volition is an illusion.
> >
> > As Cindy, cogently noted above, "force" is a difficult
> > concept to address.
>
> Yes, you might say it's painful for her, because
> it exposes her as a dog abusing Thug like yourself,
> professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > My point here is that any such discussion involves deep
> > philosophical and religious issues.
>
> Dogs don't have those issues, professor. They only know
> pleasure or pain, if that's what you offer them. We don't
> have to look to Plato or G-d, all we have to do is look
> on your local law books and see the definition they have
> for animal abuse.
>
> If hurting dogs is in there, then we got no freaking
> philosophical discussion. Hurting dogs is CRIMINAL
> BEHAVIOR, and knowing that, anyone hurting dogs would
> either be criminal or INSANE, or BOTH.
>
> Wouldn't you agree professor?
>
> > For any training procedure we should ask:
> > 1) effectiveness--does it work?
>
> My methods work like MAGICK, professor.
>
> > 2) efficiency--does it work quickly and with
> > minimal resources?
>
> No, professor. That's where my method fails. You've
> got to be bright enough to actually read the method
> or ask me for help, if you need any.
>
> > 3) relationship--does it strengthen or weaken
> > the extent our pet/friends will bond with us?
>
> I never angered a dog telling him he's a good boy.
>
> Well, "almost" never.
>
> > [That's why we try to almost always use positive
> > reinforcement rather than punishement.]
>
> Not me. Almost always, professor? Always. You're almost
> always a doubletalker, professor. . Never use any negative
> interaction with your dog if you want him to do every thing
> you ask.
>
> > Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always
> > considers 3) whereas we sceptics always consider
> > 1) and 2). ;-) --Marshall
>
> O.K. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton
> candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high
> wire act, performed without a safety net...
>
> Let's have a go at it, shall we? I'm going to explain
> a couple of things to you that I'd kind of like you
> to keep in mind, even though you probably won't
> understand what it is that I'm saying. Otherwise,
> you'd have understood by now. Ferstaisch? It would
> have been obvious to you, had you read my manual.
>
> Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic
> Box, always considers 3)" relationship--does it
> strengthen or weaken the extent our pet/friends will
> bond with us?
>
> Now let's discuss your SCRUFF SHAKE and Maxie
> The Magnificent Masturbator's OCD'S.
>
> SEE? SEE? SEE?
>
> HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
>
> Tee wrote:
> > "Janet Puistonen" <boxhill@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:tCgFe.13181$iR2.3656@trndny02...
> > >
> > > Tara, did you find it helped at all with the marking problem?
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!
>
> Shocking dogs is CRUEL and UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT
> and is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE for use on prisoners
> of war accordin to the Geneva Conventions.
>
> > No but then I didn't use it for correction purposes.
>
> Right. Wouldn't wanna GIVE CORRECTIONS on
> accHOWENT of THAT makes dogs GO INSANE.
>
> > We had two *training* sessions where I used the collar
>
> You mean you and your PROFESSIONAL SHOCK COLLAR trainer
> whom you was renting the thirty five levels of medical
> grade static like stimulation collars.
>
> > to reinforce commands Joe Joe knew
>
> Dogs ARE so WILLING to PLEASE, ain't they
> tara o. aka tee. Your pal Master Of Deception
> blankman was FEELIN BAD for the lack of
> consideration and personal caring which HIS
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
> teaches..., cold, even, she FEELS BADLY for
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs. Pass a tissue?
>
> > and obeyed.
>
> If you ASK he'll DO if he WANTS to.
>
> > I figured this would be the most helpful
> > in introducing him to this tool
>
> You mean, kinda like GREASIN HIM UP for a schtuppin.
>
> > since I was giving him things that he already knew
> > how to do so his success rate was very high.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
>
> HOWE abHOWET his garbage and C-HOWENTER surfin
> and all them other bad behaviors, did you get
> a chance to SUCCEED with any of thems? There
> was quite a list of bad behaviors you CAN live
> with, REMBMER?
>
> > He did fine,
>
> That so? You mean on the commands that he ordinarily
> does on accHOWENT of he knows them so well from rote.
>
> > I kept the sessions short and stopped when
> > it looked like he was done
>
> HOWE can you tell? Does a little timer pup HOWETA
> his butt like a Butter Ball Turkey tara o. aka tee?
> HOWE HOT is DONE for a 67 P-HOWEND Boxer Rescue Dog?
>
> Have you had him on the scale lately? He could
> stand to have his ribs a little covered. Ooops!
> Sorry, almost FORGOT abHOWET your obsessive
> compulsive eatin disorders...
>
> > and made sure to end on a positive note.
>
> Do tell? They got a whistle that goes off like a teapot?
>
> > Unfortunately though he seemed slightly depressed (mopey)
>
> Naaah? You mean kinda like HOWE your SHELTER / RESCUE /
> FOSTER care pal cindi done to her dog Buck when she went
> HOWET to "TRAIN" with him? Buck shook like a BHOWEL of
> Jello for three days and DIDN'T learn what she went to
> BURN HIM FOR. I think it was a difficult come command
> and the stand command for which FRAUDreck strapped the
> shock collar to Buck's bell and BURNED HIM to make him
> stand on command.
>
> That's abHOWET the EZiest command to teach
> a dog tara o.aka tee.
>
> > after each session
>
> And you wasn't even usin it for CORRECTIONS?
>
> > and while this state didn't last long
>
> Yeah... LUCKY THING The Amazing Puppy Wizard isn't
> SENSITIVE to dog's FEELINS like HOWE your pal Master
> Of Deception blankman was just tellin The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard's new Student DaveR since his DOCILE
> new puppy WENT INSANE from bein locked in a box
> and CORRECTED by simply sayin NO! and takin stuff
> away and REWARDING it with a toy or treat and THEN
> his dog started obsessive compulsive SHITTIN ALL
> OVER his HOWES kinda like HOWE Joe Joe and professora
> melanie's dog Skeeter PISSES all over your HOWESES.
>
> CuriHOWES AIN'T IT HOWE MANY DOMINANCE PISSIN DOGS
> and OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION y'al are havin eh tara?
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> LET'S LOOK AN SEE WHO'S DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS
> and then LOOK AN SEE HOWE them dogs GOT THE SAME
> HANDLING METHODS to CURE those problmes.
>
> 1. suja, RESCUE / SHELTER VOLUNTEER. Opposite
> sex dog aggression on Khan, EXXXTREEEM
> anXXXIHOWESNESS with both, and shyness and
> fear aggression and Khan broke suja's arm
> boltin after a innocent critter on leash.
>
> 2. We got you, of curse with your ALPHALPHA BITCH
> Fancy who's always dominated with your permission
> EVERY Boxer Rescue Dog Of NC that you've FOSTERED
> and of curse your own DEAD DOG SUMMER whom you
> COULDN'T STOP HURTIN so you MURDERED her DESPITE
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard offered her a SAFE FREE
> HOWES FOREVER <{); ~ ) >
>
> 3. We got leah, who's POSTED CASE HISTORY of her
> dogs destroying EVERY THING and biting her five
> times and her STUDENT'S dogs murderin innocent
> DEAD DOGS in the park and her STUDENT'S BUNNY
>
> 4. We got culprit aka kelly who's OPPOSITE SEX
> dogs ATTACKED each other and MURDERED her seven
> THOWESAND dollar DEAD KAT two weeks after she
> started BURNIN them and the kat bought the farm
> when the MENTAL CASE FORGOT to put their SHOCK
> COLLARS ON and they GOT HER where kelly aka culprit
> HAD BEEN BAITING THEM with the kat calls to TRAIN
> THEM TO THE SHOCK COIN-TRAINMENT SYSTEM just like
> the TWO systems that janet boss overlooked when
> she MURDERED their little dog in her SHELTER on
> accHOWNT of he was grHOWELIN at visitors and she
> thought he'd KILL their grandkids on accHOWENT of
> he was HUMPIN THEM IN PLAY.
>
> 5. We got professora melaine with her DOMINANCE PISSER
> Skeeter who dogman sez NEEDS to be jerked and choked
> on her pronged spiked pinch choke collar and of curse
> Solo who's been IN TREATMENT at UofPA behavior clinic
> and on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for five years EXXXCEPT
> that summer he was boarded when she went to EU with
> EXXXCEPTION of his attack on that kennel worker the first
> week, but THEN he was takin off his MEDICATION and WAS
> NORMAL, GOOD, PERFECT until a couple days after she retuned
> AND HE WENT NUTS AGAIN.
>
> 6. We got Cubbe who TRIED to attack two children she'd
> been playin with till they stepped into her SHOCK
> ZONE but not to worry, Cubbe DID BITE her ONLY friend.
> And of curse, Cubbe has a surrHOWEND shock system
> and needs to be walked on her PRONG and attacks other
> OPPOSITE SEX OLDER DOGS...
>
> Strange, strange, strange behavior for RESCUE DOGS.
> You'd think the little snots would be GRATEFUL!
>
> > I didn't want to continue in that vein
>
> You mean being incompetent or hurtin your dog? OR BOTH?
>
> > if it was going to leave a negative impression with him.
>
> Naaah, dogs are RESILLIANT and FORGIVIN. Like Summer.
> Oooops! Almost FORGOT. YOU MURDERED HER for FEAR aggression
> towards SMALL CHILDREN despite she was RAISED WITH WON.
>
> > The marking has gone back down to a here & there thing
>
> That so? S-HOWENDS like your shock collar trainin
> was working HOWE COME would you stop? THAT'S often
> HOWE COME people fail to train their dogs and have
> to GIVE THEM THE NEEDLE like when Robert Crim didn't
> wanna HURT his DEAD DOG Fritz noMOORE and MURDERED
> HIM JUST LIKE HOWE you done your own DEAD Boxer
> Rescue dog Summer.
>
> > and interestingly
>
> VERY. Don't you REMEMBER dogman TELLIN Robert to
> FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS in his koehler book? You
> got to TAKE CHARGE and USE THE TOOLS G-D gave you~!
> well, RENTEED. And PAID a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER to
> HEELP you HURT your dog NOT ENOUGH.
>
> BWEEEEEAAAHAHHAHAAA!!!
>
> > enough I've noticed an increase in squatting behavior.
>
> Perhaps he's SICK? Better take him to the vet, eh?
> leah took Madigan to the vet for the same problem
> and got her on antibiotics with NO MEDICAL PROBEM
> just to satisfy her in case IT was comin DHOWEN
> with a POTENTIAL UTI.
>
> You beginin to see a pattern?
>
> > Maybe its coincidence
>
> NUTHIN HAPPENS BY COINCIDENCE EXXXEPT TRAINING
> when you use fear force intimidation avoidance
> bribery physical rewards withholding attention
> and afection and crating on accHOWENT of PUNISHMENT
> DERRANGES BEHAVIOR and makes it DIFFICULT to TRAIN.
>
> > or maybe my use of heavy praise for squatting and
> > ceasing praise for leg lifing has something to do
> > with it.
>
> Have you been RESTRICTING HIS WATER and LOCKIN IT IN
> THE BOX to HEELP HIM DO GOOD THINGS and AVOID BAD?
>
> > He still marks the hell out of my flowers and bushes
>
> You could EXXXTINGUISH THAT in a couple repetitoins.
>
> TRY IT. You'll SEE.
>
> > but he seems more inclined to squat when
> > I command him to "go potty."
>
> Could be SUBMISSIVE URINATION.
>
> > While this seems like good news
>
> Praise UNTO HIM!
>
> > I've unfortunately noted some other things that
> > still support adopting him to another home.
>
> You mean GETTIN RID of the PROBLEM.
>
> > He spent the better part of last week
> > keeping to himself in his crate.
>
> SHAAAAZZZAAAMMM!
>
> THAT'S HOWE COME his HOWES PISSIN went
> DHOWEN "for the better part."
>
> BWEEEEEEAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> > He and Fancy kept their distance
>
> Kinda like a Mexican Standoff.
>
> > willingly
>
> They're OPPOSITE SEX... THINK ABHOWET IT.
>
> Ooops! They AIN'T REALL opposite as they've
> both been inapupriately unnecessarily surgically
> sexually MUTILATED which MAKES CRITTERS FEARFUL.
>
> Case in point, an Arab Stallion, neutered at
> five years of age, TURNED SPOOKEY at NUTIHIN
> on the trails and was dangerHOWES to ride on
> accHOWENT of he'd GO OFF sideways and doin
> other PAINIC behaviors.
>
> Took TWO SESSIONS to EXXXTINGUISH the behavior.
>
> IN FACT, it was the SECOND SESSION that The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard SAID "It'd be nice if
> you can find a SUMPTHIN that you KNOW will
> spook him and set it HOWET on the trail to
> PROOF him... and as we made a "blind turn"
> abHOWET twenty feet DHOWEN the road was a
> BIG RED and WHITE newspaper vending machine
> type containers that SHOULD HAVE DROVE HIM
> NUTS. He DIDN'T EVEN LOOK. Didn't break stride.
> DIDN'T CARE. A few minutes later a big old
> TORTIS came HOWET and sauntered along the
> trail as was his family a bit up the road,
> things WE KNOW had SPOOKED him pryor.
>
> We trained him JUST LIKE it sez in your
> own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
>
> ASK ANYWON.
>
> > and each seemed to go out of their way to avoid the other.
>
> RIGHT. THAT'S FEAR BEHAVIOR. THAT'S NOT NORMAL...
> UNLESS YOU WANT THAT BEHAVIOR TO BE NORMAL.
>
> > Fancy has started blatantly challenging him
>
> TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.
>
> Yannow sumpthin tara o. aka tee? Much as
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard LOVES TO BE CRUEL
> HE HATES sayin I TOLD YOU SO AGAIN and AGAIN.
>
> AND AGAIN.
>
> > when inside the house
>
> WHO'S HOWES? WHO SETS THE RULES? Hmmm?
>
> TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.
>
> > and I've seen one more dog fight.
>
> Duh-Oh?
>
> OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION IS UNHEARD OF IN NATURE.
>
> PUNISHMENT DERRANGES BEHAVIOR.
>
> ALPHA THINKING CHALLENGES and PROVOKES.
>
> CORRECTIONS and SCOLDING and WARNINGS TO BEHAVE
> AND THREATENING MAKE DOGS THINK YOU'RE GANGING
> UP ON WON of 'm and TEACHES THEM TO CORRECT
> OTHERS.
>
> > Today they are best friends
>
> Kinda like that submissive behavor?
>
> > but yesterday they were merely housemates
>
> Till the FIGHT. Then they GET SUBMISSIVE
> till their ANXXXIHOWESNESS goes up and
> sumpthin SPOOKS EM and they GO OFF as
> you stand there SCREAMIN and thowin the
> hose on them in the yard where you SET
> THAT UP so your BITCH Fancy can TRAIN
> the NEW DOGS FOR YOU JUST LIKE HOWE siFOOL
> wanted to do for his dog that is ATTACKIN
> HIM for WITHOLDING HIS RAWHIDE.
>
> Of curse his POSTED CASE HISTORY of SCRUFF
> SHAKING and otherWIZE ABUSIN HIS DOG on
> accHOWENT of HE READ A RELIABLE SOURCE
> TEACHIN SCRUFF SHAKIN...
>
> So his dog TURNED ON HIM JUST LIKE HOWE
> janet boss's STUDENT from RIGHT HERE<
> newssa's dogs WOULDN'T HOWEsbreak for
> THREE YEARS and TURNED ON HER to boot
> thanks to janet and sinofabitch SHOCKIN
> and JERKING and CHOKING them AFTER they
> DESTROYED HER HOWES like leah's dog done.
>
> > and who knows what tomorrow will bring?
>
> You REALLY REALLY REALLY WANNA KNOW,
> tara o. aka tee? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAA!!!
>
> CuriHOWES you gave the answer pryor to
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard ASKED. Request
> DENIED. It shall remain a SECRET just
> a tad bit longer, be patient, The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard got over forty years INVESTED
> IN PUTTIN YOU and YOUR ILK HOWETA THIS BUSINESS.
>
> Oooops! The Amazing Puppy Wizard BLEW HIS SURPRISE.
>
> NO PROBLEMO. JUST BE PATIENT. Think SACRIFICE.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!
>
> NHOWE THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA? We'll SACRIFICE
> the DOG LOVERS to make a statement to the world,
> it'll be a CULT thing, like tommy and the girls
> are always sain there AIN'T NO CABAL.
>
> Well, the SURPRISE is HOWETA the bag, so The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard might as well SPILL THE
> BEANS and let you know there IS a CABAL.
>
> IT'S REAL. IT'S TRUE. And IT AIN'T JUST The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard who SEES IT, dog lovers.
>
> > Joe Joe is a perfect fit for the humans in the house
>
> So long as you GREASE HIM UP, tara o. aka tee.
>
> > and I believe he'd find himself happy here without Fancy.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
>
> Till you DRIVE HIM INSANE JUST LIKE HOWE you done
> your FIRST DEAD Boxer Rescue Dog Summer.
>
> > Since Fancy *is* here and its her home too
>
> Well then, just train them to share an share alike.
>
> > I just think this is a sad case of right dog,
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has NEVER SEEN the WRONG DOG.
>
> > wrong home.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the BHOWE on the SURPRISE.
>
> > I believe
>
> Allelujia!
>
> Think PINK Kool-Aid. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> always looks luschiHOWES in PINK.
>
> > there's a better match for him out there,
>
> Please tara o. aka tee, The Amazing Puppy
> Wizard has been stickin it to you bums BIG
> TIME and sayin sumpthing like THAT is as true
> as when your pal FRAUDreck sez "if they knew
> anything abHOWET TRAININ THEY WOULDN'T NEED
> TO CALL HIM" on the radio SHOWE where the
> 12 y.o. boy asked HOWE to train his little
> Chihuahua to DHOWEN.
>
> FRAUDreck told him to HIRE a trainer.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> Check it HOWET.
>
> Go to his website. ASK FRAUDreck for ADVICE.
>
> He'll tell you he's like a DOCTOR and he
> can't DIAGNOSE on the WWW BWEEEEAHAHAA!!!
>
> Then ask him HOWE did he REALLY do with
> cindi and buck there stories DIFFERED a
> bit after a little QUESTIONING from Jerry
> HOWE.
>
> > one without another dog to compete with,
>
> Hey? Suppose SUMPTHIN CHANGES? Like maybe
> a kid returns with their own dog, that'd
> mean someWON ELSE got to FIND A NEW HOWES.
>
> You CANNOT DO THAT to dogs. You shuffle
> them arHOWEND to suit the needs and desire
> of all the SUCKERS you take advantage of
> and short shrift the dogs by failing to
> train them FROM THE GIT GO so you don't
> have to TAKE THEM IN for a WEE BIT OF MONEY
> and SELL THEM AGAIN as ADOPTIONS, TAX DED.
> to boot, eh tara o. aka tee?
>
> You suppose that a organization NETWORKING
> THAT KINDA SCAM is covered by the RICCO act?
> IT'S CRIMINAL what you bums are DOIN BY YOUR
> OWN WRITTEN WORDS.
>
> The STATISTICS are TOO CONSISTENT to be LUCK.
>
> > who will fall
>
> The WHOWEL doGgamenedbunchofya together
> in WON FELL SWOOP <{); ~ ) >
>
> Hey? Any of you sympathetic types seen
> eddie w of PET LOSS DOT COIN lately?
> Tell him lightenin strike was lookin
> for him...
>
> > head over heels
>
> Naaaa, MOORE LIKE A ROCK...
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAAA!!!
>
> > for him
>
> HOWE could WON NOT? He WAS PERFECT.
> Well, close, if you can tolerate a
> few typical Boxer habits.
>
> > just as everyone else who knows him has done.
>
> EXXXCEPT YOUR DOG. You called her your ALPHA BITCH.
>
> YOU SEZ IT IS SHE who TRAINS ALL YOUR NEW DOGS
> as is OFTEN RECOMMENDED here abHOWETS.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't approve of
> allHOWEING the dogs to SET THEIR PECKIN ORDER
> HE TEACHES THEM to BE TRUSTING FRIENDS by simply
> NOT DOIN NUTHIN LIKE HOWE YOU DO IT AGAIN AND
> AGAIN AND AGAIN.
>
> So? What's tommorow gonna bring?
>
> > --
> > Tara
>
> ALL DEPENDS ON WHICH END OF THE PISSER YOU'RE ON,
> tara o. aka tee, Boxer Rescue Of NC <{); ~ ) >
>
> "Only the unenlightened speak of
> wisdom and right action
> as separate, not the wise.
>
> If any man knows one,
> he enjoys the fruit of both.
>
> The level which is reached by wisdom
> is attained
> through right action as well.
>
> He who perceives that the two are one
> knows the truth."
>
> "Even the wise man acts in character
> with his nature,
> indeed all creatures act
> according to their natures.
>
> What is the use of compulsion then?
>
> The love and hate which are aroused
> by the objects of sense
> arise from Nature,
> do not yield to them.
>
> They only obstruct the path." -
> -
> Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
> Krishna with permission from
> His FREE copy of The Puppy
> Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.
>
> ALL Critters Only Respond In
> PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
> INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
> To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
> Which We Create For Them.
>
> Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
> And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
> FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
> SAME SAME SAME SAME,
> For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
>
> The ROCK. Born Of A Virgin. Crucified For His Sins.
>
> "Born Of A Virgin?"
> Mental Illness,
> Ethical Breeding & BehaviorISM
>
> HOWEDY People,
>
> Mental illness runs rampant within families:
>
> HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,
>
> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:cda6a8$8nl$1@uwm.edu...
>
> > In article <Fri9527C06A5DBF3australianshepher...@rocky-dog.com>
> Rocky 2...@rocky-dog.com, writes:
> > >Marshall Dermer said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>
> > >> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my
> > >> mentally ill mother
>
> Any ETHICKAL breeder would DISCONTINUE
> the DEFECTIVE LINE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > >> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
> > >> When the doctor completed the examination,
> > >> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
> > >> herself to be a virgin!
>
> Many breeders, especially when dealing with
> temperaMENTAL bitches rely on artificial insemination.
>
> > >> Now if my Jewish, biological mother reported
> > >> herself to be a virgin than what might this make
> > >> me? :-)
>
> An artificial breeding EXXXPERIMENT?
>
> The remainin choices ain't all that appealin, professor.
>
> > >Heh.
>
> Heh heh.
>
> > > Maybe it's time you visited one of
> > > those links listed in my header.
>
> Heh. Maybe it's time for you lying dog abusing
> punk thug cowards to find your own PRIVATE
> list where you can hurt dogs and lie abHOWET
> it all you like withHOWET fear of The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING MOCKING and
> RIDICULING your "methods" by QUOTING you.
>
> > Hm...if I were the Moshiach (Hebrew for "the
> > anointed one")
>
> You mean, bein a non believing jew who PREYS
> like HEEL when he was SICK and DYING, born
> of a lying whore, or a MENTAL CASE, on accHOWENT
> of as a SCIENTIST you CANNOT BELIEVE in G-D,
> therefore your PREYIN was DEFECTIVE, likeWIZE,
> therefore, a VIRGIN BIRTH would necessarily be only
> ANOTHER LIE or a psychotic break from reality.
>
> You figger HOWET what THAT would make you, professor.
>
> > then I would have "cleaned up" this world.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
> your WORK and EXXXPOSED you as a lying dog
> abusing FRAUD, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > As for folks believing they are the Messiah
>
> Or a SCIENTIST not believing that MENTAL
> ILLNESS is EITHER hereditary or environMENTAL...
> IOW, ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAIVOR, professor
> SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > (or Jesus in the case of Christians),
>
> Or perhaps The Amazing Puppy Wizard for those
> non believers amongst us, particularly SCIENTISTS
> who've been PROVEN FRAUDS, professor.
>
> > a classic study of three people who claimed to
> > be Jesus is introduced here:
>
> <snip link>
>
> A classic study of a lying dog abusing punk
> thug fraud behaviorist is introduced here...
>
> > This is good too, especially the song at the end.
>
> The SONG at the end is a FUNeral dirge, professor.
>
> > Kol tuv, (all that is good,)
>
> INDEED, professor. ALL IS GOOD.
>
> > --Marshall
>
> ESPECIALLY if you're DIVINE.
>
> But it ain't over till The Fat Lady sings.
>
> Hark! Methinks The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> hears her warming up right NHOWE:
>
> "If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
> Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
> Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
>
> Hello Jenn,
>
> "brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message
>
> news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...
>
> > Hello Jerry,
> > I just wanted to let you know that I am
> > trying this right now.
>
> Good.
>
> > I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> > ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> > pinch collar.
>
> I recall.
>
> > She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> > We have been doing this technique you
> > recommend for about a half an hour now
> > and the results are already fantastic, as
> > well as amusing!
>
> Yeah, dog training should always be more
> fun than work.
>
> > At first, we went out and I stood there,
> > and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> > sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> > and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> > your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
>
> It's the same principle as in the Hot And
> Cold Exercise.
>
> > I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> > but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> > stopped and looked at me as if she were
> > thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> > The second and third times, she was even
> > MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> > I got the same look when I turned around
> > to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> > bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> > with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> > up the leash, and this last time, I HAD TO CALL
> > HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
> four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
> some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
> usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.
>
> Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
> locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
> Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
> lead and go to the front door. She would probably
> do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.
>
> Likewise for any other door.
>
> It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
> several other doors and it would be easiest to
> start with a door that had less excitement involved
> with it.
>
> > If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> > done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> > years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!
>
> The non force methods work fast and easy
> because we are not challenging the dog or
> calling our attention to their behavior problems.
>
> > I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> > I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> > I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> > that I still find myself yanking on her collar.
>
> Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
> me to train a person who has no experience at all
> because they have no bad habits of pulling and
> forcing control.
>
> > I feel so awful! We have only been working
> > in the yard without distractions, because I
> > honestly don't know what will happen if she
> > sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> > collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> > a fight.
>
> You know that working the dog in the back
> yard is not preferable, because that causes
> them some anxiety because it's their free area.
> But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
> to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
> do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
> command several times out there, and then you'll
> have the control to do it in a more neutral area.
>
> > The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> > hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> > excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> > combined with the intense fear I used to see
> > in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!
>
> Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
> eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
> collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
> through fear and that cause tremendous stress
> and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
> relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
> chewing, self mutilation and aggression.
>
> > That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> > fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> > I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> > know how, but I'm learning!
>
> That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
> ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
> dogs to make them work.
>
> > Thanks for your help. Please send more
> > suggestions if you saw something I could
> > be doing differently!
> > Jenn & Anya
>
> I was thinking about your difficulties with
> your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
> Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
> and the come command installed will solve
> most of your difficulty with him.
>
> I presume you've got msn messenger. We
> can speak over that if you are set up for it,
> and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
> and tempo for using sound distractions
> and praise, or we could speak on the phone.
>
> The most important thing to remember is to
> pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
> no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
> your arm down at your side with the length of the
> lead breaking just below the knee.
>
> Let me know if you need further help.
>
> Jerry.
>
> "Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote in message
> news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
>
> > Tracy,
> > What worked for me, in just one storm,
> > was to praise the dog after each clap
> > of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
> > This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
> > The next time it thundered, he did not even
> > react at all--you could not tell it was the same
> > dog as before.
> > There was more thunder just the other day,
> > and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
> > cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
> > it was that simple.
> > I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
> > to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
> > abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
> > Wonderfully.
> > Praise.
> > It's that simple.
> > Juanita
>
> "Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks, so is he."
> Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073
>
> "We are what we do."
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>
> >Paul B wrote:
> >> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> >> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> >> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
> >> does next (the common advice is to praise once
> >> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
> >> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
> >> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own
> >> experiences is an important part of the process.
>
> And how do we know this aspect of his
> advice is right?
>
> Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
> His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
>
> --Marshall
>
> =================
>
> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...
>
> From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
>
> Hello Marshall,
>
> The way I view it from my observation of how
> my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
> the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
> interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
> a second and then will either continue the
> behaviour or do something else.
>
> The praise reassures the dog that the sound
> distraction is not a threat or punishment,
> however if everytime the dog resumes a
> particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
> (and praised immediately for reassurance) then
> it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
> and it ceases.
>
> A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
> and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
> otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
> alternate behaviour is offered.
>
> One example, Sam used to jump up on me
> when I arrived home, I would shake can to
> distract him right at the moment he was
> about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
> he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
> course this was fine so I let it be.
>
> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> praise immediately regardless of what the
> dog does next (the common advice is to
> praise once the dog is doing a desired
> behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
> behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
> and from my own experiences is an important
> part of the process.
>
> > Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> > a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> > that this may not work and so distraction
> > is recommended as a back up procedure:
>
> "Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>
> >>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
> >>> reduction, it went something like this
> >>> with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"
> >>> Yoshi: Bark, bark,
> >>> us: HUSH Youshi
> >>> Yoshi Bark, bark......................
> >>> us: Hush Youshi
> >>> Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ................................. >
> >>> it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
> >>> We decided to try the Jerry method
> >>> :Yoshi: BARK, BARK
> >>> US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
> >>> Yoshi Bark, Bark
> >>> US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.
> >>> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
> >>> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
> >>> can praise him, to deal with things like this.
> >>> Thanks Jerry
> >>> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
> >>> Papers, and learn how to live with our son
> >>> "Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> Estel J. Hines
>
> ==============
>
> > There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
>
> Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> "Ned" <komod...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fQIg9.25850$561.25365@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
>
> > Hi !
> > Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she
> > will be 4 months on the 30th).
> > When we first brought her home she had
> > a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
> > my 3 year old twins) during playtime. It drove
> > everyone in the house nuts and it brought my
> > little girls to tears as you can imagine.
> > We tried saying no, and that would just get
> > her even more excited, so we would yell no
> > and that would just get her "scared" but still
> > excited. In short it just wasn't working.
> > So we finally did what Jerry has suggested
> > to you. We used a sound do distract her and
> > we would immediately praise her.
> > I have to say that it worked great. BUT she
> > then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly
> > little thing.
> > So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
> > but again it didn't work so we went for the
> > distraction and praise.
> > I must say that she is doing great!
> > I hope that helps.
> > Edyta aka Ned
>
> ===================
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
>
> Hello.
> I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
> I never trained or owned a dog before this
> year.
>
> I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
> with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
> stop barking in a weekend.
>
> Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
> whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
> earlier life is unknown.
>
> I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
> minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
> he came to me every time with no hesitation.
>
> I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
> not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
> door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
> he usually calms down right away.
>
> A couple of times I had to get the cans
> out again to reinforce the behavior.
>
> We feel a strong bond with this animal
> and he is very eager to accept our love.
>
> So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
> I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
>
> His method worked for us.
>
> I don't know if it would have been quite
> as effective if we had tried another method first.
>
> Florence
>
> ------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
> Subject: Off to a good start!
>
> Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
> your manual and have started working with
> the dogs...
>
> "Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
> "The Destroyer") has already shown
> great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
>
> She responds even better than our other
> (better-behaved) dog "Poe".
>
> We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
> not a thing was touched when we got back!
>
> We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
> that interested in toys and was still very uptight
> about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
> seemed to work.
>
> We both work all day today so we'll see
> how that goes... Regardless, we will be
> cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
>
> I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
> to get through to her! We're very excited about
> her progress thus far...
>
> Thank You!
>
> Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
>
> __________________________________
>
> professor SCRUFF SHAKE CONtinues:
>
> > Sound distraction may be understood in
> > terms of the more general behavior analytic
> > approach as follows.
>
> > The distracting stimulus
>
> Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?
>
> >evokes a behavior that is incompatible with barking.
>
> You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face
> for 5 seconds?
>
> > The dog engages in some other behavior
>
> NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.
>
> > and then is reinforced (if praise functions as a reinforcer).
>
> NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.
>
> > --Marshal
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
> In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
> <d...@try.it> writes:
>
> > Hi Lynn,
>
> > I used to have a barking problem with my
> > German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
> > I tried several things recommended to me by
> > different trainers, and nothing was working.
>
> > When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
> > I thought the same way you did.
>
> > "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
> > counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
> > I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.
>
> > Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> > outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
> > such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
> > the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
> > will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
> > but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
> > to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> > Jenn,
>
> Could you be so kind as to post here the
> section from Jerry's manual where he
> writes that you should JUST praise the
> dog when it barks?????????
>
> As I recall, I thought he first advocates
> distracting the dog from barking, with
> keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
> can, before praising.
>
> Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
> Jerry's system.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --Marshall Dermer
>
> P.S: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
> forward to your post.
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
> Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
> In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
> <d...@try.it> writes:
> > Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
> > me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
> > as I love reading your posts, and value (and
> > have used) some of your advice.
>
> BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
>
> > As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
> > to get a plain answer about something instead
> > of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
> > done.
>
> > Jenn Standring
>
> I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
> distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
>
> You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
> is not the purpose of teaspoon!
>
> --Marshall
>
> From: "Jeff & Di"
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
> Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual
>
> HOWEDY Diana,
>
> > Hi Jerry,
>
> > Thanks very much for the prompt reply.
> > I'm just writing to let you know that I've
> > had some wonderful progress with Molly.
>
> Of curse!
>
> > I took her up to the school in the car when
> > I was picking up my daughter. My husband
> > went to get our daughter while I stayed in
> > the car with Molly. It was a quick trip so I
> > wasn't expecting any car sickness, but I
> > thought it would be a great opportunity to
> > work on her fear of people approaching the
> > car.
>
> > When we pulled up, there were already a lot
> > of people and kids milling around, and as I
> > haven't explained the AWETM to my husband
> > of course he was yelling at Molly to shut up
> > and sit down.
>
> That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.
>
> > As you can imagine this didn't help.
>
> > Once he was gone I simply told Molly she
> > was good, she growled a few times at people
> > and I said "thanks Molly I see them too, they're
> > ok" then I asked her to find her ball which was
> > in the back.
>
> I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
> distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
> to become dependent on putting something
> in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
> 2) it may disavail you of successive training
> opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.
>
> > She loves her ball so was keen to do that and
> > didn't notice what was by now a big crowd of
> > parents and kids passing the car.
>
> See, we really do want her to notice, so
> we can briefly and variably distract and
> praise to extinguish the behavior.
>
> > I kept up with the "good girl" and "where's
> > your ball" soon she was sitting watching
> > the people walk past and offering them
> > her ball to throw, not that they noticed her.
>
> Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
> use the ball again the next time, just follow
> the praise techniques.
>
> > But it was lovely to see her so relaxed.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
> nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
> withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
> as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.
>
> > Just to add, I was sitting in the front and she
> > was in the back of the wagon, so this was all
> > verbal praise and distraction with no touching
> > or patting.
>
> Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
> thinking and processing the information.
>
> > Jerry it is so hard not to yell at the dog when
> > you are frustrated and want it to behave immediately,
>
> Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
> extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.
>
> > but as you have said it really gets you nowhere in the long run.
>
> "Reinforcement NEVER ends."
>
> That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
> non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
> on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
> bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
> cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
> the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
> and praising before the thought is fulfilled till
> it's no longer thought of as a useful behavior.
>
> > I would never of had these great results
> > with Molly without your help, as we really
> > were stuck in the "yelling at the dog" rut.
>
> Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
> My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
> kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.
>
> > I have to work on getting my husband to read
> > your manual now, by the way an At Wits End
> > Husband Training Manual would be helpful too,
> > haha.
>
> Not a chance in heel. If Mrs. Puppy Wizard
> discovered it I'd be wearin an apron and workin
> insetead of settin right here, stark ravin nekkid,
> wearin nuthin but these gawd awful paper slippers.
>
> > Thankyou so much for providing this info for free.
>
> My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...
>
> > I was looking at dog training books in the shops
>
> > today and they are so expensive !! (around $30
> > to $40 in Australia) Not that I need them now, but
> > I like to browse the dog and pet sections from
> > time to time.
>
> Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...
>
> > You might like think about publishing a book
> > one day, I think it would be received very well
> > by the general public and reach those without
> > internet access.
>
> I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
> on the news groups ain't interested in training
> their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
> problems and the training tools they used to cause
> them.
>
> > I was going to copy my last letter onto the news
> > groups but see that you have already done so.
>
> Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
> cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
> forgeries.
>
> > Feel free to quote this letter too if it helps.
>
> Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
> cause it'll be more believable coming from you.
>
> These folks think it should take weeks and
> months to rehabiliatate behavior problems.
> They think they're successful if they've
> rehabilitated an aggresson problem after a
> year or longer working at it.
>
> > It's unfortunate that the newsgroups are cluttered
> > with rubbish, as It would be nice to discuss dogs
> >from time to time with other dog lovers.
>
> That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
> don't post there. Every WON is interested
> in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
> resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.
>
> > cheers,
>
> LikeWIZE.
>
> > Dianna
>
> Yours, Jerry.
>
> HOWEDY Brandy,
>
> "Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@posting.google.com...
> > KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
> <news:2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com>...
>
> > Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> > Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
> > to train yet.
>
> > Today a salesman knocked on the door,
> > and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
> > go to the window to see who it is, and
> > off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> > Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
> > a quizical look, and came and sat beside
> > my feet!
>
> > OMG, I could not believe it!
>
> > I was totally floored, as this has been his
> > behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> > and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
>
> Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.
>
> > Brandy
>
> It's customary here abHOWETS to put
> NINNYBOY [NINNYBOY] Jerry JERRY
> [JERRY] The Puppy Wizard The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard in the subject header to
> AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.
>
> "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
> Never Change,
> Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
> Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
> For All Handler's
> And All Dogs,
> NEARLY INSTANTLY,
> As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
> WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
> The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
>
> You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT or CHILD in a few minutes
> to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T
> follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat and child abusing
> MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP.
>
> You GET The Critter You TRAINED
>
> A DOG Is A Dog;
> As A KAT Is A KAT;
> As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
> As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
> As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
>
> ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
>
> ALL Critters Only Respond In
> PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
> INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
> To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
> Which We Create For Them.
>
> Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
> And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:
>
> Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
> at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
> "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
> box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:
>
> "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
> function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
> by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
> of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
> too things.
>
> First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
> decreased; and two, you have established "No"
> as a conditioned punisher.
>
> How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
> minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
> biting.
>
> ******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******
>
> When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
> forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
> closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
> before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
>
> "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use
> "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS
> works."
>
> That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
> and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
>
> And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
> can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
> cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
> a coward and a MENTAL CASE.
>
> Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
> HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
> Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
> INSTANTLY.
>
> You GET The Critter You TRAINED
>
> A DOG Is A Dog;
> As A KAT Is A KAT;
> As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
> As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
> As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
>
> ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
>
> ALL Critters Only Respond In
> PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
> INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
> To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
> Which We Create For Them.
>
> Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
> And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
> FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
> SAME SAME SAME SAME,
> For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
>
> "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
> so utterly beyond value."
>
> Like a confessor Priest?
>
> "With him,
> words play no torturing tricks.., "
> --John Galsworthy.
>
> Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
> Their behaviors reflect
> HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
> Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
>
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
> can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
> ~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from
> his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. <} ; ~ ) >
>
> There are NO grey areas between RIGHT and WRONG.
>
> Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom
> and right action as separate,
> not the wise.
>
> If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
>
> The level which is reached by wisdom
> is attained
> through right action as well.
>
> He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
>
> "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
> indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
>
> What is the use of compulsion then?
>
> The love and hate which are aroused
> by the objects of sense
> arise from Nature,
> do not yield to them.
> They only obstruct the path." -
>
> - Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
> Krishna with permission from
> His FREE copy of The Puppy
> Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.
>
> "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
> and you will know each other.
> If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
> and what you do not know you will fear.
>
> What one fears, one destroys."
> Chief Dan George
>
> "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from
> the few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
> --Marshall
>
> The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
> synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
> ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
> embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
> anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
> permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
> and conditioning.
>
> It's the perfect fusion of The Word...,
> in the physical.
>
> It's time for the dog training industry and
> the universities who TEACH "behaiviorists"
> to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100%
> NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN
> by the cHOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
> Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS,
> after they've TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS
> and FAILED.
>
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral
> progress can be judged by the way its
> animals are treated." ~ Mohandas Gandhi --
> Adapted with permission from his FREE
> copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
> End Dog Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >
>
> Force training JERRYIZES dogs
> and GETS THEM DEAD.
> > From: "Marshall Dermer"
> > <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
> > To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> > <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
> > Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
> > Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>
> > I have, of late, come to recognize your
> > genius and now must applaud your attempts
> > to save animals from painful training
> > procedures.
>
> > You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional
> > talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to
> > crafting posts to alert the world to animal
> > abuse.
>
> > We are lucky to have you, and more people
> > should come to their senses and support
> > your valuable work.
>
> > Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> > charity to fund your important work?
>
> > Have you thought about holding a press
> > conference so others can learn of your
> > highly worthwhile and significant work?
>
> > In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> > try to keep your messages short for most
> > readers may refuse to read a long message
> > even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
>
> > I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> > --Marshall Dermer
> > Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
> > Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
> > of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
> > Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> > der...@uwm.edu
> > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> > --------------------------------------
>
> All truth passes through three stages.
> First, it is ridiculed.
> Second, it is violently opposed.
> Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
> -Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
> even tho it's a hopeless task,
> in this system of things.
> As long as man is ruling man,
> there will be animals (and humans!)
> abused and neglected. :-(
> Your student," Juanita.
>
> "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
> and minds will follow,"
> John Wayne.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >


Joe792
2005-10-13 23:49:57 EST
OH...and..P.S. that person did not post asking for a lecture. Their mind
appears to be made up and YOU aren't going to MAKE them keep the dog and treat
it right like that. The mission, at this point, is to try and make sure the
dog finds a home where it's wanted and properly treated. Your rant has the
potential to hurt the animal. Is that what you're here for?

Joe

A*y@HushMail.Com wrote:

> HOWEDY joe792,
>
> joe792 wrote:
> > cat_lover wrote:
> >
> > > We have had our dog for about 3 months and
> > > have realized he is way to much for us. I
> > > want to find a good home for him. Where is
> > > a good place to find a home for your dog?
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > > Trina is TX
>
> > There are also rescue orgs for various breeds.
>
> Yeah. GETTIN RID of troubled dogs owned by doting
> loving owners is NOT the solution to animal abuse.
>
> Most of the dogs winding up in "shelters" and
> "rescues" are there because of temperament and
> behavior problems CAUSED BY the handling and
> training recommended by shelters and rescues.
>
> > A web search will find them
>
> We got 'em all right here. We got some of the
> most self serving lying dog abusing punk thug
> coward mental cases involved in "shelter" and
> "rescue" like racetrack silly tara o. aka tee
> lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and janet boss
> who choke shock intimidate and murder innocent
> defenseless dumb critters AND LIE ABHOWET IT.
>
> > and they can help as well as give you good tips
> > on finding a real home and avoiding some of the
> > pitfalls which could see your pet in a kill shelter
> > in short order.
>
> Well, that's if the SHELTER and RESCUE organization
> DON'T FREAKIN MURDER the dog for more money paid by
> the state to MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> HOWEDY paul,
>
> Paul Richardson wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > This is a somewhat depressing post,
>
> Yeah? You AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN yet, paul...
>
> > so please only read if are generally concerned.
>
> Having NOT READ AHEAD, The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> PREDICTS it is YOU who is the CAUSE of the "PROBLEM".
>
> > I have worked in kennel management, mainly rescue for most of my life
>
> That so? We got a LOT of "RESCUE" folks right here...
>
> > Now I'm managing some commercial kennels that also deal with rescue.
>
> There's money to be made hand over fist, comin an goin
> with your RESCUE organizations.
>
> > We are boarding a Staffordshire Bull Terrier male on behalf of the police
>
> That's kindly of the heat to provide boarding for their dogs...
>
> > that is in on the Dangerous Dogs Act for biting a child 12
> > months ago on two seperate occasions.
>
> Oh, they're holding him as EVIDENCE.
>
> THAT'S NORMAL, paul...
>
> > The owners were the scum of the earth and trained the dog to bite -
>
> That so? The Amazing Puppy Wizard trains all HIS dogs to bite.
>
> > there is no question of that.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the dog's JOB.
>
> > She has since been banned from owning dogs for 10 years.
>
> Oh? So the dog is lookin for a new HOWES?
>
> > Now legally, a dog that bites anyone can be classed as dangerous
>
> Yeah. That's on accHOWENT of the imbeciles who work in the business.
>
> > irrespective of it's upbringing
>
> All behavior problems are caused by mishandling, not bad dogs.
> All aggression is fear. All fear is caused by mishandling. Folks
> who COMPLAIN and BLAME the breed or the dog are the CAUSE of the
> MISHANDLING these dogs are reacting to as any critter will do.
>
> > and personally whilst I am a devoted animal lover,
>
> Yeah. You work in RESCUE.
>
> > I can understand why.
>
> That so? What you UNDERSTAND is HOWE COME you MURDER dogs.
>
> > In short, a dangerous dog is euthanised.
>
> In shorter, you're a dog abusing mental case.
>
> > My moral problem
>
> Your MORAL PROBLEM is you're a dog abusing punk
> thug coward blowhard who hurts intimidates and
> murders dogs and blames the dog or the breed
> for the mishandling you give them <{) : ~ ( >
>
> > with this dog
>
> A dog is a dog.
>
> > is this....
>
> That you KNOW NUTHIN but think you do...
>
> > 1) The dog has been in boarding kennels for 12 months now.
>
> That's nice.
>
> > These are kennels only designed to hold dogs for a
> > few weeks at the most, they are small.
>
> If they're TOO SMALL for a dog to live in comfortably
> the kennel should have it's licence pulled an be shut
> DHOWEN. or they could only board TINY dogs... IF the
> facility doesn't have OTHER DEFECTS.
>
> > 2) Because the owner keeps appealing the dogs euthanaise,
>
> You think dogs that scare you should be murdered
> on accHOWENT of THAT is the HUMAN NATURE of a dog
> abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) : ~ ( >
>
> > the dog is still here, slowly rotting in kennels.
>
> Isn't this the kennels YOU are WORKIN at, paul?
>
> > 3) The dog has never been walked, played with, given
> > attention or even health checked since it has been in
>
> Well, perhaps you're TOO BUSY SAVIN all the dogs that need your heelp?
>
> > because it is on the dangerous dogs act and we have
> > been refused permission to do anything other than
> > feed it.
>
> Right... that means you can't take IT HOWET of the facility.
> But that DON'T mean you can't make him HAPPY and comfortable.
>
> UNLESS YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE.
>
> It's ONLY a DUMB ANIMAL. Certainly a GENIUS like yourself
> who's WORKED ALL HIS LIFE in RESCUE can make a dog FEEL GOOD
> withHOWET KILLIN IT like mikey ball does to HEELP <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> > The kennels are on a hatch system where the dog can be
> > isolated without coming in to contact with anyone cleaning
> > the kennel or feeding it.
>
> Well paulie, perhaps givin the caliber of the dog lovers
> you work with, based on your own EXXXAMPLE are not the
> sort of folks a self respecting dog would want to pal with?
>
> > This cannot be right.
>
> You'd PREFER to MURDER the dog, paulie?
>
> > I have been at these kennels for only a few months and
> > it is breaking my heart. In 12 months the dog has calmed
> > down and appears to have lost its vicious streak.
>
> AMAZING?
>
> > Does anything know what the true legal standing
> > is in terms of either release or euthanaise on
> > the grounds of animal welfare???
>
> Yeah. "Animal welfare" MEANS YOU DON'T MURDER INNOCENT
> DUMB ANIMALS on accHOWENT of YOU AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT
> to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog.
>
> > Any replies would be greatly appreciated. I cannot divulge
> > the whereabouts of the dog, so please don't ask. My reason
> > why is that these kennels need to be brought up to speed on
> > several issues regarding animal welfare and if I loose my
> > job here these impovements will not get done.
> >
> > Paul R.
>
> HOWEDY Bob,
>
> Bob wrote:
> > we currently have a 4 year old beagle and my
> > fiancee is throwing a fit for another dog.
>
> Good.
>
> > We visited a place called noah's ark
>
> I'm sure Noah's Ark is as fine and reputable
> rescue / shelter organization as existS anywhere.
>
> > and they are a no kill shelter.
>
> You mean they disadvantage dogs who are having
> behavior problems from their original homes for
> a WEE BIT OF MONEY and SELL THEM to "adoptive
> parents" for a WEE BIT OF MONEY and will accept
> them back for a WEE BIT MORE MONEY and SELL THEM
> again to another adoptive forever family for a
> WEE BIT MORE MONEY instead of teaching families
> HOWE to puperly handle and train those dogs in
> just a few minutes by simply DOING EVERY THING
> EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been
> taught by the EXXXPERTS who teach us to lock our
> dogs in boxes and ignore their cries, bribe and
> spray them in the face with aversives for being
> afraid lonely and looking for unconditional love
> trust and respect.
>
> > We liked one dog there. It was given up by its
> > owner and labeled as being "to much".
>
> That little dog could have kept his original home
> had these RESCUERS offered his people a few minutes
> of EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
> CONDITIONING:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > Here's HOWE: < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
>
> > I'm guessing the problem
>
> Behavior science is NOT a matter of GUESSWORK
> EXXXCEPT AS TAUGHT by our UNIVERSITY BEHAVIORISTS
> and professional trainers.
>
> > is in the potty training department
>
> HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age.
> ONLY a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER or university trained
> behaviorist could CONfHOWEND nature's perfect
> HOWEsbreaking program.
>
> > and chewing
>
> Destructive chewing is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
> (like ALL temperament and behavior problems)
> like fear of thunder, car sickness, aggression
> and self mutilation, therefore they can be CURED
> NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply DOING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
> OPPOSITE of HOWE our EXXXPERTS teach.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
> Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
> Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
> Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
> The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
> Years Experience.
>
> From: Hoku Beltz
> To: The Puppy Wizard
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Mahalo
>
> Aloha Jerry,
>
> Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
> technique is working wonders.
>
> I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.
>
> It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come
> home to a made bed.
>
> Your program is awesome, but you already know
> that. Keep up the good work!
>
> Hoku
>
> ==================
>
> From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
> Subject: Off to a good start!
>
> Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
> your manual and have started working with
> the dogs...
>
> "Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
> "The Destroyer") has already shown
> great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
>
> She responds even better than our other
> (better-behaved) dog "Poe".
>
> We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
> not a thing was touched when we got back!
>
> We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
> that interested in toys and was still very uptight
> about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
> seemed to work.
>
> We both work all day today so we'll see
> how that goes... Regardless, we will be
> cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
>
> I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
> to get through to her! We're very excited about
> her progress thus far...
>
> Thank You!
>
> Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
>
> _____________________________­__
>
> Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
> Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
>
> Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
> spoken with him briefly once by email.
>
> I have no stake or interest in the success of his
> business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
> of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
>
> I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
> animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
> I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
> Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
>
> I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
> personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
> him is not understanding his logic.
>
> Thank you Jerry!
>
> =====================
>
> Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
> "Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
>
> > Hi!
> > I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> > In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> > anxiety surrogate toy technique."
>
> > Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with
> > my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> > Comments? Yves Dussault
>
> Yves,
>
> I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
> just used it last evening while my husband and I went
> out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
> a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
> end to end in the meantime).
>
> Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
> techniques described therein.
>
> If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
> begin the exercises as well.
>
> Regards,
> Lisa
>
> ===========
>
> > from the little info I could get from them.
>
> Often folks don't disclose ALL the behavior
> problems they're having with the dogs they're
> ABANDONING because they're AFRAID they'll MURDER
> THEM due to a LACK OF INFORMATION thanks to the
> massive efforts of ETHICKAL breeders, vets,
> trainers, shelter / rescue operators and university
> trained behaviorists who PROFIT from idiopathic /
> iatrogenic temperament and behavior problems which
> comprise 90% of today's veterinary care.
>
> IOW, there's NO REASON ANY DOG should EVER be
> in a RESCUE or SHELTER unless it's due to family
> hardship or being "lost". CO-INCIDENTALLY, dogs,
> like children DO NOT GET LOST, they RUN AWAY from
> abusive / neglectful / uncaring / doting (CON-
> TROLLING) families.
>
> > It was very playful and interested in us.
>
> Fine. Take him and rehabilitate him in WON DAY
> using the EFFECTIVE METHODS and INFORMATION I've
> provided you FOR FREE, the INFORMATION the DOG
> LOVING EXXXPERTS will WARN YOU NOT TO BELIEVE
> because IT DISCREDITS EVERY THING THEY TEACH.
>
> > We also went over to animal control and my fiancee
> > wants to get one of the dogs with some burn marks
> > (not really sure what it is) just to help out.
>
> That's probably the best choice if you want to
> save a dog's life. The critters in the "NO KILL"
> shelter will have time to wait for a new home.
>
> Offer them a copy of my FREE manual and they'll
> LAUGH THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU for giving them BUNK
> as professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer from UofWI sez
> it is:
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>
> >Paul B wrote:
> >> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> >> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> >> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
> >> does next (the common advice is to praise once
> >> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
> >> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
> >> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
> >> is an important part of the process.
>
> And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?
>
> Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
>
> His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
>
> --Marshall
>
> =================
>
> Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
> at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
> "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
> box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:
>
> "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
> But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
> shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
> then you will have achieved too things.
>
> First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
> and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
>
> How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
> minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
> biting.
>
> ******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******
>
> When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
> forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
> closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
> before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
>
> "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
> to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."
>
> > I can completely understand this but all the dogs
> > there seem quite timid or agressive.
>
> Duh??? They've been DISADVANTAGED by their original
> forever owners who FOLLOWED THE ADVICE of the EXXXPERT
> PROFESSIONAL trainers and veterinary ethologists like
> we got RIGHT HERE who've been IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and
> DISCREDITED by THEIR OWN WORDS as QUOTED in The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard's revealing posts.
>
> > Our dog is a little bossy and stubborn
>
> You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled
> as you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS.
>
> > but is quite playful after she gets comfortable.
>
> AS STATED: "You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled as
> you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS."
>
> > I'm kind of torn on what we should get.
>
> GET THIS FIRST:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
>
> > I really love the dog at noah's ark
>
> Fine, if that's what you prefer.
>
> > even though she might need some extra work.
>
> SEZ WHO? The EXXXPERTS who DISADVANTAGED HER of
> her original family for a lack of INFORMATION
> IDEAS and METHODS and will DO and SAY ANY THING
> to DEFEND their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMDIATE
> and MURDER innocent critters?
>
> From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
> Date: 1999/12/21
> Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer
>
> In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"
>
> <j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> > Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> > do you find that he masturbates more frequently after
> > such instances? (referring to your post about your dog
> > using a pillow to get himself off)
>
> First, I punish behavior, not dogs.
>
> Second, I rarely issue corrections.
>
> Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.
>
> I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
> really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
> such dog behavior offensive. Eating dog poop, for me, is
> another story. And the rate of that behavior has also
> diminished with time. :-)
>
> --Marshall
>
> > They are also full right now which means
> > they can't except anymore dogs
>
> That's probably good, because EXXXCEPT for
> STRAY and HARDSHIP cases THEY GOT NO DAMED
> BUSINESS disadvantaging dogs of their homes
> when all it takes is a FEW MINUTES to LEARN
> HOWE to pupperly handle raise and train ANY
> critter, including children:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
>
> From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
> Date: 1999/07/14
> Subject: Re: Puppy adolescence
>
> In article <378CB7A8.757C6...@earthlink.net> jillbr...@earthlink.net
> writes:
> >Myth or fact?
>
> > Our beagle pup has always had her share of attitude
> > (c'mon, it called "spunky," mom), but I seem to be
> > getting more than my fair share of blank stares these
> > days. For example, she's across the room, I tell her
> > to come, she stis there, tilts her head and stares at
> > me. I can almost hear her little doggie brain thinking
> > "wonder what'll happen if I ignore that???"
>
> > Do all dogs have random periods of disobedience or is
> > this the doggie-adolescence I've heard about (she's
> > 10.5 months)? How long might it last? What's the best
> > way to handle it -- do I clamp down a little or just
> > wait it out?
>
> >thanks,
> >-jill
>
> My dog almost always comes when called. I would assume
> that this is because coming is often consequated with
> some form of reinforcement like food, petting, the
> opportunity to play a game, etc.
>
> But there are some times when he does not come.
>
> These are infrequent. What do I do? I say, "bad dog"
> and the moment he starts coming I say "good dog."
>
> Why is "bad dog" effective?
>
> When my dog was a puppy and he did not obey a command,
> that was in his repertoire, I would say "bad dog" and
> pick him up by the back of his neck and deliver a brief,
> "harsh," lecture.
>
> I would assume that in the process, I established "bad
> dog" as a powerful conditioned punisher. I also did the
> "bad dog" harsh lecture routine, when he would eat his
> poop which he seemed to do quite often.
>
> My dog, a Havanese, is quite a "softy" so I quickly
> discovered that not much of a "lecture" was needed
> to establish "bad dog" as a conditioned punisher.
>
> I should also note that I said "bad dog" in various
> ways, including near whispers. The net result is that
> "bad dog" functions as a conditioned punisher even
> when whispered.
>
> So, if my dog just "sits there" when I say "Max come"
> and then I whisper "bad dog," the vocalization in
> principle punishes the ongoing behavior and so the dog
> is disposed to do something else and that something else
> is almost always following the previously issued command.
>
> (You really don't want to issue the same command multiple
> times without some consequences for failing to comply, for
> then your dog will initially ignore your commands!)
>
> I am NOT a dog trainer. I am a behavioral psychologist
> (Associate Professor) who has loved dogs all my life.
>
> I write this because it is likely that Jerry Howe, who
> apparently opposes all forms of punishment, will post
> a follow-up to this post.
>
> His follow-up will likely not directly answer your
> question but instead refer you to his poorly written
> training manual or his magic black box that putatively
> cures nearly every canine problem.
>
> His follow up, unfortunately is also likely to personally
> attack me. You are free, of course, to form your own
> opinions and follow Jerry's advice.
>
> I want you to know that although I have used punishment,
> infrequentely and in limited ways, my dog is strongly
> bonded to me. He follows me everywhere, he sleeps with
> me, he cuddles at night with me, and he loves to perch
> himself on my legs, much like a cat, when I'm reading a
> book or talking to folks with my feet outstretched.
>
> I don't see where the limited use of punishment has
> harmed him in any general way. Perhaps, the limited
> punishment I have used together with all the postive
> reinforcement I have provided for "coming" and "going
> down" in the context of drills, in all sorts of settings,
> and under all sorts of circumstances, will someday save
> his precious life.
>
> I hope this post is helpful (also see below). Diane
> Blackman, Avrama Gingold, Paulette Nolan, Ludwig Smith,
> Lynne K. and others regularly post great advice here.
>
> Individually we sometimes make mistakes, but collectively
> I think we offer a variety of viable approaches limited
> mainly by our inability to be with you and your pooch at
> your home.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Marshall
>
> I have listed below, in rank order, ( 1 = "The
> Best") my favorite sources.
>
> 1. Overall, K. L. (1997). _Clinical behavioral medicine for small
> animals._ St.Louis: Mosby
>
> Professor Overall has earned many degrees (MS, VMD, PhD)
> and is certified by the Animal Behavior Society as an
> Applied Animal Behaviorist.
>
> 2. Diane Blackman's Fun with Your Dog:
>
> Diane has compiled "tons" of information about dogs.
> This work in progress reveals Diane's tremendous love
> and respect for dogs.
>
> http://www.dog-play.com/
>
> 3. Prof.Mark Plonsky's Fabulous Site:
>
> Mark's site has won numerous awards. It is VERY complete.
>
> http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/mphome.htm
>
> 4. Frequently Asked Questions
>
> Cindy Tittle Moore has written the "classic"
> Usenet source for information about pets.
>
> http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/noframe.html
>
> 5. Karen Pryor's Web Site:
>
> Discover clicker training and training resources.
> Clicker training is a positive approach!
>
> http://karenpryor.com/
>
> Also check out this URL for more on clicker training:
>
> http://www.superdog.com/clicker.htm
>
> 6. Gary Wilkes's Click & Treat Web Site:
>
> Much excellent training information.
>
> http://www.clickandtreat.com/petproj.htm
>
> Tell us HOWE bribing and withholding bribes and
> punishing BONDING EFFORTS like MOUTHING and JUMPING
> teaches dogs to want to come EVERY TIME you call
> them, professor, despite Skinner's clear denunciation
> of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
> THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
>
> Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
> HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward
> not received is experienced as a punishment and can
> produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et
> al, 1966)."
>
> > ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> > minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
>
> You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
> End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
>
> > I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
>
> Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
> a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
> EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
>
> > He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> > to go to the third or fourth try.
>
> From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
> Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
>
> Hi Buzzsaw
>
> Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
>
> I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
> old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
> training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
>
> I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
> addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
> the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
>
> Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
> with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
>
> Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
> and it is immediate!
>
> the first time I ask.
>
> Best of Luck to you,
>
> Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
> he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
>
> Cheers
> Barb
>
> Hi, Jerry.
>
> I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
> with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
> manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
> reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
> the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
> different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
> ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
> (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
> want to push and test me a little bit more).
>
> For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
> how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
> folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
> beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
> if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
> with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
> (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
> tho').
>
> Best, ben
>
> ===================
>
> From: <>
> To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
>
> Re: Am I expecting to much
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
> for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
> Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
> him for 3 years.
>
> It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
> training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
> then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
> it with a "good boy" first.
>
> It really does work.
>
> He was very confused at first, wondering what he
> had done to get the praise.
>
> But it really gets the attention and distracts him
> from whatever he may have going through his brain
> when he hears it.
>
> Dogs are funny, but people are too.
> Can't wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> N
>
> "Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net wrote in message
>
> > Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
>
> Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
> I took a rescued three year old beagle that
> had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
> even recognize or respond to its name to
> Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
> get real) and in just over one hour of working
> with the dog, he was coming on command
> (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
> walking with us on a loose lead.
>
> His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
> command and pack exercise WORK!
>
> > and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
>
> Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
>
> You don't have to like him. You don't have
> to agree with his methods, but as far as I
> am concerned, I've never seen any other
> training approach that was as fast and easy.
>
> <<<< Rest of original post deleted
>
> Ron Flanagan
> Orlando, Florida
>
> -----------------------
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
> Hello.
>
> I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
> I never trained or owned a dog before this
> year.
>
> I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
> with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
> stop barking in a weekend.
>
> Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
> whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
> earlier life is unknown.
>
> I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
> minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
> he came to me every time with no hesitation.
>
> I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
> not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
> door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
> he usually calms down right away.
>
> A couple of times I had to get the cans
> out again to reinforce the behavior.
>
> We feel a strong bond with this animal
> and he is very eager to accept our love.
>
> So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
> I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
>
> His method worked for us.
>
> I don't know if it would have been quite
> as effective if we had tried another method first.
>
> Florence
>
> To: Jerry Howe
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
> WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAI
>
> Sunshine is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog
> today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
> came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
> of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even
> seemed to think about going off-reacting. I would
> love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
> the site--please send the address--
>
> The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
> -Sunshine come goodboy.
>
> From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
>
> The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
>
> I have studied canine behavior and dog training
> for years. I have a huge library that covers
> every system of training.
>
> The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
> Training Method is by far the most scientific,
> the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
> and the most effective training method yet
> discovered.
>
> It is not an assortment of training tips and
> tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
> Every behavior problem and every obedience
> skill is treated in the same logically
> consistent manner.
>
> Please study his manual carefully. Please
> endeavor to understand the basis of his system
> and please follow his directions exactly. His
> manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
> theory, with explanation, with detailed
> descriptions about why behavior problems occur
> and how their solution should be approached.
>
> One should not pick and choose from among his
> methods based upon what you personally like or
> dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a
> complete and integrated system for not only
> training a dog but for raising a loving
> companion.
>
> When I once said to Jerry that his system
> creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
> response was that it produces for your dog the
> owner of his dreams.
>
> You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
> gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
> with you, if you praise your dog every time he
> looks at you, then you will become the center
> of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
> distraction with praise, then it takes
> just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
> your dog to not misbehave (even in your
> absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
> my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
> clip his nails).
>
> Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
> distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
> it takes just minutes to train you dog to
> respond to your commands.
>
> What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
> old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
> legs would carry him in response to my recall
> command-and he comes running every time I call
> no matter where we are or what he is doing.
>
> At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
> upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
> exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
> exercises.
>
> Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
> if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
> you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
> response is to oppose you.
>
> Is Jerry a nut?
>
> It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
> is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
> person's ideas based upon their personality. As
> far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
> upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
> hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
> or hurting dogs.
>
> More than that, he knows that force is not
> effective and that it will certainly lead to
> behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
> that people put their dogs down because of those
> problems.
>
> I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
> control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
> We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
>
> Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
> scientific literature it is referred to
> allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
> to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
>
> Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
> wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
> praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
> anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
> problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
>
> Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
> Training Method as a scientific principle just as
> you would the law of gravity and you will have
> astounding success.
>
> Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
>
> If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
> sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
> get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
> --Larry
>
> > and the rest will just go into animal control anyway.
>
> PERHAPS NOT if folks LEARNED HOWE to pupperly
> handle raise and train the innocent defenseless
> critters our veterinarians and trainers tell us
> to LOCK IN BOXES and IGNORE THEIR CRIES and offer
> toys to diminish their mouthing and biting BONDING
> EFFORTS and shock choke and spray them in the face
> with aversives:
>
> "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
> Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
> lynn.
>
> "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
> just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
> we need to crate train a dog immediately because
> they are usually in need of medical care and they
> are in foster homes with other dogs.
>
> It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>
> - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>
> Lynn K.
>
> > thanks in advance
>
> NOT SO FAST. HERE'S HOWE COME the SHELTER IS FULL:
>
> "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
> Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
> Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
> Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
> LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
>
> "This Article Is Something We've Put Together
> For SF GSD Rescue
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
> Date: 1999/11/20
>
> ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
>
> Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
>
> "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
> forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
> better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
> this situation.
>
> Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
> should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
> to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
> take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
> time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
> whatever other reward system was being used."
>
> 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
> Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
> works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
> dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
> you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
> walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
> why you have the dog muzzled).
>
> If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
> cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
> voice and the collar.
>
> This is important - the correction must be physically
> very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
> to be corrected at all)."
>
> "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
> one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
> schedules and duties causes a great deal of
> scheduling overhead.
>
> And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
> volunteers get the meaningful experience that
> they work for.
>
> Someone has to be responsible for that
> Volunteer Program, and it is best done
> by a non-volunteer."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ------------------------------­---
>
> "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
> every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
> effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
> older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
>
> Should I have refused to groom them?
>
> Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
> had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
>
> I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
> beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
> you'd be singing a different tune?
>
> "Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
> put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
> for the trash company to come and dispose of.
>
> No different tune," ~Emily
>
> "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
> I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
> tech at our local shelter for a while, and
> I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
> animals.
>
> This however has nothing at all to do with
> responsible breeders, because responsible
> breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
> Mustang Sally.
>
> "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
> Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
> Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
> Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," racetrack silly.
>
> Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
> <news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
>
> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> quotes are true.
>
> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> making those calls.
>
> In your post above, you state you do not
> make those calls.
>
> Which one is it?
>
> ------------------------------­------
>
> "Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...
>
> Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
> prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
> intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
> with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
> intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
> own dogs and their reactions better than someone
> who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
>
> I'm starting to see some similarities here.
>
> Sally Hennessey
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
> Subject: Re: shock collars
>
> Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...
>
> Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
> this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
> in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
> same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
> corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
> not mean that such dogs do not exist.
>
> What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
> as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
> thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
>
> I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
> of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
> and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.
>
> I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
> people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
> Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
> you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
> (at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
> your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
> guys talk about over there) means that you are an
> ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
> further notice.
> Sally Hennessey
>
> "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
> Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
> Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
> Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
> The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
> mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
>
> You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
> MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
>
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> > He was next to me and I could see his neck
> > muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
>
> > Janet Boss
> "sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> > "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
>
> > > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > > dog like a Lab.
>
> An INSENSITIVE DOG???
>
> THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT.
>
> HERE'S HOWE COME:
>
> WORDS OF WISDOM
> from our own Lynn Kosmakos
> 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
> For Twenty Years
>
> I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
>
> "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
> requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
> day.
>
> I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
> more, while happily sharing pertinent information
> I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
> I would hope that every other reader of this group
> would be rightfully outraged."
>
> "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
> the right to participate in by observing the
> easily understood rules and contributing to in
> constructive ways."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> As example of a contradiction in terms, Here's HOWER
> good professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its
> face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
> reflection" dermer, our behaviorist from UofWisc,
> discussing RELATIONSHIPS and training:
>
> Marshall Dermer wrote:
> > In article <7mlbpo$h6...@fnord.io.com> tit...@io.com
> >(Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>
> > >Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> writes:
>
> > >> If [one] gets the dog to open his mouth by
> > >> itself it is not forcing the dog [...]?
>
> > > Selective editing, because I'm not at all
> > > interested in the "win- lose game" aspect
> > > you keep belabouring:
>
> > In the method I posted for training a retrieve,
> > it is true that I opened my dog's mouth and I
> > understand why compared to other methods, like
> > the one that accompanied my post by Diane Blackman,
> > people could describe what I did as using force.
> >
> > But again, from my standpoint, all behavior is
> > forced; from my standpoint volition is an illusion.
> >
> > As Cindy, cogently noted above, "force" is a difficult
> > concept to address.
>
> Yes, you might say it's painful for her, because
> it exposes her as a dog abusing Thug like yourself,
> professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > My point here is that any such discussion involves deep
> > philosophical and religious issues.
>
> Dogs don't have those issues, professor. They only know
> pleasure or pain, if that's what you offer them. We don't
> have to look to Plato or G-d, all we have to do is look
> on your local law books and see the definition they have
> for animal abuse.
>
> If hurting dogs is in there, then we got no freaking
> philosophical discussion. Hurting dogs is CRIMINAL
> BEHAVIOR, and knowing that, anyone hurting dogs would
> either be criminal or INSANE, or BOTH.
>
> Wouldn't you agree professor?
>
> > For any training procedure we should ask:
> > 1) effectiveness--does it work?
>
> My methods work like MAGICK, professor.
>
> > 2) efficiency--does it work quickly and with
> > minimal resources?
>
> No, professor. That's where my method fails. You've
> got to be bright enough to actually read the method
> or ask me for help, if you need any.
>
> > 3) relationship--does it strengthen or weaken
> > the extent our pet/friends will bond with us?
>
> I never angered a dog telling him he's a good boy.
>
> Well, "almost" never.
>
> > [That's why we try to almost always use positive
> > reinforcement rather than punishement.]
>
> Not me. Almost always, professor? Always. You're almost
> always a doubletalker, professor. . Never use any negative
> interaction with your dog if you want him to do every thing
> you ask.
>
> > Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always
> > considers 3) whereas we sceptics always consider
> > 1) and 2). ;-) --Marshall
>
> O.K. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton
> candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high
> wire act, performed without a safety net...
>
> Let's have a go at it, shall we? I'm going to explain
> a couple of things to you that I'd kind of like you
> to keep in mind, even though you probably won't
> understand what it is that I'm saying. Otherwise,
> you'd have understood by now. Ferstaisch? It would
> have been obvious to you, had you read my manual.
>
> Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic
> Box, always considers 3)" relationship--does it
> strengthen or weaken the extent our pet/friends will
> bond with us?
>
> Now let's discuss your SCRUFF SHAKE and Maxie
> The Magnificent Masturbator's OCD'S.
>
> SEE? SEE? SEE?
>
> HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
>
> Tee wrote:
> > "Janet Puistonen" <boxhill@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:tCgFe.13181$iR2.3656@trndny02...
> > >
> > > Tara, did you find it helped at all with the marking problem?
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!
>
> Shocking dogs is CRUEL and UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT
> and is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE for use on prisoners
> of war accordin to the Geneva Conventions.
>
> > No but then I didn't use it for correction purposes.
>
> Right. Wouldn't wanna GIVE CORRECTIONS on
> accHOWENT of THAT makes dogs GO INSANE.
>
> > We had two *training* sessions where I used the collar
>
> You mean you and your PROFESSIONAL SHOCK COLLAR trainer
> whom you was renting the thirty five levels of medical
> grade static like stimulation collars.
>
> > to reinforce commands Joe Joe knew
>
> Dogs ARE so WILLING to PLEASE, ain't they
> tara o. aka tee. Your pal Master Of Deception
> blankman was FEELIN BAD for the lack of
> consideration and personal caring which HIS
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
> teaches..., cold, even, she FEELS BADLY for
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs. Pass a tissue?
>
> > and obeyed.
>
> If you ASK he'll DO if he WANTS to.
>
> > I figured this would be the most helpful
> > in introducing him to this tool
>
> You mean, kinda like GREASIN HIM UP for a schtuppin.
>
> > since I was giving him things that he already knew
> > how to do so his success rate was very high.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
>
> HOWE abHOWET his garbage and C-HOWENTER surfin
> and all them other bad behaviors, did you get
> a chance to SUCCEED with any of thems? There
> was quite a list of bad behaviors you CAN live
> with, REMBMER?
>
> > He did fine,
>
> That so? You mean on the commands that he ordinarily
> does on accHOWENT of he knows them so well from rote.
>
> > I kept the sessions short and stopped when
> > it looked like he was done
>
> HOWE can you tell? Does a little timer pup HOWETA
> his butt like a Butter Ball Turkey tara o. aka tee?
> HOWE HOT is DONE for a 67 P-HOWEND Boxer Rescue Dog?
>
> Have you had him on the scale lately? He could
> stand to have his ribs a little covered. Ooops!
> Sorry, almost FORGOT abHOWET your obsessive
> compulsive eatin disorders...
>
> > and made sure to end on a positive note.
>
> Do tell? They got a whistle that goes off like a teapot?
>
> > Unfortunately though he seemed slightly depressed (mopey)
>
> Naaah? You mean kinda like HOWE your SHELTER / RESCUE /
> FOSTER care pal cindi done to her dog Buck when she went
> HOWET to "TRAIN" with him? Buck shook like a BHOWEL of
> Jello for three days and DIDN'T learn what she went to
> BURN HIM FOR. I think it was a difficult come command
> and the stand command for which FRAUDreck strapped the
> shock collar to Buck's bell and BURNED HIM to make him
> stand on command.
>
> That's abHOWET the EZiest command to teach
> a dog tara o.aka tee.
>
> > after each session
>
> And you wasn't even usin it for CORRECTIONS?
>
> > and while this state didn't last long
>
> Yeah... LUCKY THING The Amazing Puppy Wizard isn't
> SENSITIVE to dog's FEELINS like HOWE your pal Master
> Of Deception blankman was just tellin The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard's new Student DaveR since his DOCILE
> new puppy WENT INSANE from bein locked in a box
> and CORRECTED by simply sayin NO! and takin stuff
> away and REWARDING it with a toy or treat and THEN
> his dog started obsessive compulsive SHITTIN ALL
> OVER his HOWES kinda like HOWE Joe Joe and professora
> melanie's dog Skeeter PISSES all over your HOWESES.
>
> CuriHOWES AIN'T IT HOWE MANY DOMINANCE PISSIN DOGS
> and OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION y'al are havin eh tara?
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> LET'S LOOK AN SEE WHO'S DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS
> and then LOOK AN SEE HOWE them dogs GOT THE SAME
> HANDLING METHODS to CURE those problmes.
>
> 1. suja, RESCUE / SHELTER VOLUNTEER. Opposite
> sex dog aggression on Khan, EXXXTREEEM
> anXXXIHOWESNESS with both, and shyness and
> fear aggression and Khan broke suja's arm
> boltin after a innocent critter on leash.
>
> 2. We got you, of curse with your ALPHALPHA BITCH
> Fancy who's always dominated with your permission
> EVERY Boxer Rescue Dog Of NC that you've FOSTERED
> and of curse your own DEAD DOG SUMMER whom you
> COULDN'T STOP HURTIN so you MURDERED her DESPITE
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard offered her a SAFE FREE
> HOWES FOREVER <{); ~ ) >
>
> 3. We got leah, who's POSTED CASE HISTORY of her
> dogs destroying EVERY THING and biting her five
> times and her STUDENT'S dogs murderin innocent
> DEAD DOGS in the park and her STUDENT'S BUNNY
>
> 4. We got culprit aka kelly who's OPPOSITE SEX
> dogs ATTACKED each other and MURDERED her seven
> THOWESAND dollar DEAD KAT two weeks after she
> started BURNIN them and the kat bought the farm
> when the MENTAL CASE FORGOT to put their SHOCK
> COLLARS ON and they GOT HER where kelly aka culprit
> HAD BEEN BAITING THEM with the kat calls to TRAIN
> THEM TO THE SHOCK COIN-TRAINMENT SYSTEM just like
> the TWO systems that janet boss overlooked when
> she MURDERED their little dog in her SHELTER on
> accHOWNT of he was grHOWELIN at visitors and she
> thought he'd KILL their grandkids on accHOWENT of
> he was HUMPIN THEM IN PLAY.
>
> 5. We got professora melaine with her DOMINANCE PISSER
> Skeeter who dogman sez NEEDS to be jerked and choked
> on her pronged spiked pinch choke collar and of curse
> Solo who's been IN TREATMENT at UofPA behavior clinic
> and on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for five years EXXXCEPT
> that summer he was boarded when she went to EU with
> EXXXCEPTION of his attack on that kennel worker the first
> week, but THEN he was takin off his MEDICATION and WAS
> NORMAL, GOOD, PERFECT until a couple days after she retuned
> AND HE WENT NUTS AGAIN.
>
> 6. We got Cubbe who TRIED to attack two children she'd
> been playin with till they stepped into her SHOCK
> ZONE but not to worry, Cubbe DID BITE her ONLY friend.
> And of curse, Cubbe has a surrHOWEND shock system
> and needs to be walked on her PRONG and attacks other
> OPPOSITE SEX OLDER DOGS...
>
> Strange, strange, strange behavior for RESCUE DOGS.
> You'd think the little snots would be GRATEFUL!
>
> > I didn't want to continue in that vein
>
> You mean being incompetent or hurtin your dog? OR BOTH?
>
> > if it was going to leave a negative impression with him.
>
> Naaah, dogs are RESILLIANT and FORGIVIN. Like Summer.
> Oooops! Almost FORGOT. YOU MURDERED HER for FEAR aggression
> towards SMALL CHILDREN despite she was RAISED WITH WON.
>
> > The marking has gone back down to a here & there thing
>
> That so? S-HOWENDS like your shock collar trainin
> was working HOWE COME would you stop? THAT'S often
> HOWE COME people fail to train their dogs and have
> to GIVE THEM THE NEEDLE like when Robert Crim didn't
> wanna HURT his DEAD DOG Fritz noMOORE and MURDERED
> HIM JUST LIKE HOWE you done your own DEAD Boxer
> Rescue dog Summer.
>
> > and interestingly
>
> VERY. Don't you REMEMBER dogman TELLIN Robert to
> FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS in his koehler book? You
> got to TAKE CHARGE and USE THE TOOLS G-D gave you~!
> well, RENTEED. And PAID a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER to
> HEELP you HURT your dog NOT ENOUGH.
>
> BWEEEEEAAAHAHHAHAAA!!!
>
> > enough I've noticed an increase in squatting behavior.
>
> Perhaps he's SICK? Better take him to the vet, eh?
> leah took Madigan to the vet for the same problem
> and got her on antibiotics with NO MEDICAL PROBEM
> just to satisfy her in case IT was comin DHOWEN
> with a POTENTIAL UTI.
>
> You beginin to see a pattern?
>
> > Maybe its coincidence
>
> NUTHIN HAPPENS BY COINCIDENCE EXXXEPT TRAINING
> when you use fear force intimidation avoidance
> bribery physical rewards withholding attention
> and afection and crating on accHOWENT of PUNISHMENT
> DERRANGES BEHAVIOR and makes it DIFFICULT to TRAIN.
>
> > or maybe my use of heavy praise for squatting and
> > ceasing praise for leg lifing has something to do
> > with it.
>
> Have you been RESTRICTING HIS WATER and LOCKIN IT IN
> THE BOX to HEELP HIM DO GOOD THINGS and AVOID BAD?
>
> > He still marks the hell out of my flowers and bushes
>
> You could EXXXTINGUISH THAT in a couple repetitoins.
>
> TRY IT. You'll SEE.
>
> > but he seems more inclined to squat when
> > I command him to "go potty."
>
> Could be SUBMISSIVE URINATION.
>
> > While this seems like good news
>
> Praise UNTO HIM!
>
> > I've unfortunately noted some other things that
> > still support adopting him to another home.
>
> You mean GETTIN RID of the PROBLEM.
>
> > He spent the better part of last week
> > keeping to himself in his crate.
>
> SHAAAAZZZAAAMMM!
>
> THAT'S HOWE COME his HOWES PISSIN went
> DHOWEN "for the better part."
>
> BWEEEEEEAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> > He and Fancy kept their distance
>
> Kinda like a Mexican Standoff.
>
> > willingly
>
> They're OPPOSITE SEX... THINK ABHOWET IT.
>
> Ooops! They AIN'T REALL opposite as they've
> both been inapupriately unnecessarily surgically
> sexually MUTILATED which MAKES CRITTERS FEARFUL.
>
> Case in point, an Arab Stallion, neutered at
> five years of age, TURNED SPOOKEY at NUTIHIN
> on the trails and was dangerHOWES to ride on
> accHOWENT of he'd GO OFF sideways and doin
> other PAINIC behaviors.
>
> Took TWO SESSIONS to EXXXTINGUISH the behavior.
>
> IN FACT, it was the SECOND SESSION that The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard SAID "It'd be nice if
> you can find a SUMPTHIN that you KNOW will
> spook him and set it HOWET on the trail to
> PROOF him... and as we made a "blind turn"
> abHOWET twenty feet DHOWEN the road was a
> BIG RED and WHITE newspaper vending machine
> type containers that SHOULD HAVE DROVE HIM
> NUTS. He DIDN'T EVEN LOOK. Didn't break stride.
> DIDN'T CARE. A few minutes later a big old
> TORTIS came HOWET and sauntered along the
> trail as was his family a bit up the road,
> things WE KNOW had SPOOKED him pryor.
>
> We trained him JUST LIKE it sez in your
> own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
>
> ASK ANYWON.
>
> > and each seemed to go out of their way to avoid the other.
>
> RIGHT. THAT'S FEAR BEHAVIOR. THAT'S NOT NORMAL...
> UNLESS YOU WANT THAT BEHAVIOR TO BE NORMAL.
>
> > Fancy has started blatantly challenging him
>
> TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.
>
> Yannow sumpthin tara o. aka tee? Much as
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard LOVES TO BE CRUEL
> HE HATES sayin I TOLD YOU SO AGAIN and AGAIN.
>
> AND AGAIN.
>
> > when inside the house
>
> WHO'S HOWES? WHO SETS THE RULES? Hmmm?
>
> TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.
>
> > and I've seen one more dog fight.
>
> Duh-Oh?
>
> OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION IS UNHEARD OF IN NATURE.
>
> PUNISHMENT DERRANGES BEHAVIOR.
>
> ALPHA THINKING CHALLENGES and PROVOKES.
>
> CORRECTIONS and SCOLDING and WARNINGS TO BEHAVE
> AND THREATENING MAKE DOGS THINK YOU'RE GANGING
> UP ON WON of 'm and TEACHES THEM TO CORRECT
> OTHERS.
>
> > Today they are best friends
>
> Kinda like that submissive behavor?
>
> > but yesterday they were merely housemates
>
> Till the FIGHT. Then they GET SUBMISSIVE
> till their ANXXXIHOWESNESS goes up and
> sumpthin SPOOKS EM and they GO OFF as
> you stand there SCREAMIN and thowin the
> hose on them in the yard where you SET
> THAT UP so your BITCH Fancy can TRAIN
> the NEW DOGS FOR YOU JUST LIKE HOWE siFOOL
> wanted to do for his dog that is ATTACKIN
> HIM for WITHOLDING HIS RAWHIDE.
>
> Of curse his POSTED CASE HISTORY of SCRUFF
> SHAKING and otherWIZE ABUSIN HIS DOG on
> accHOWENT of HE READ A RELIABLE SOURCE
> TEACHIN SCRUFF SHAKIN...
>
> So his dog TURNED ON HIM JUST LIKE HOWE
> janet boss's STUDENT from RIGHT HERE<
> newssa's dogs WOULDN'T HOWEsbreak for
> THREE YEARS and TURNED ON HER to boot
> thanks to janet and sinofabitch SHOCKIN
> and JERKING and CHOKING them AFTER they
> DESTROYED HER HOWES like leah's dog done.
>
> > and who knows what tomorrow will bring?
>
> You REALLY REALLY REALLY WANNA KNOW,
> tara o. aka tee? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAA!!!
>
> CuriHOWES you gave the answer pryor to
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard ASKED. Request
> DENIED. It shall remain a SECRET just
> a tad bit longer, be patient, The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard got over forty years INVESTED
> IN PUTTIN YOU and YOUR ILK HOWETA THIS BUSINESS.
>
> Oooops! The Amazing Puppy Wizard BLEW HIS SURPRISE.
>
> NO PROBLEMO. JUST BE PATIENT. Think SACRIFICE.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!
>
> NHOWE THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA? We'll SACRIFICE
> the DOG LOVERS to make a statement to the world,
> it'll be a CULT thing, like tommy and the girls
> are always sain there AIN'T NO CABAL.
>
> Well, the SURPRISE is HOWETA the bag, so The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard might as well SPILL THE
> BEANS and let you know there IS a CABAL.
>
> IT'S REAL. IT'S TRUE. And IT AIN'T JUST The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard who SEES IT, dog lovers.
>
> > Joe Joe is a perfect fit for the humans in the house
>
> So long as you GREASE HIM UP, tara o. aka tee.
>
> > and I believe he'd find himself happy here without Fancy.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
>
> Till you DRIVE HIM INSANE JUST LIKE HOWE you done
> your FIRST DEAD Boxer Rescue Dog Summer.
>
> > Since Fancy *is* here and its her home too
>
> Well then, just train them to share an share alike.
>
> > I just think this is a sad case of right dog,
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has NEVER SEEN the WRONG DOG.
>
> > wrong home.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the BHOWE on the SURPRISE.
>
> > I believe
>
> Allelujia!
>
> Think PINK Kool-Aid. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> always looks luschiHOWES in PINK.
>
> > there's a better match for him out there,
>
> Please tara o. aka tee, The Amazing Puppy
> Wizard has been stickin it to you bums BIG
> TIME and sayin sumpthing like THAT is as true
> as when your pal FRAUDreck sez "if they knew
> anything abHOWET TRAININ THEY WOULDN'T NEED
> TO CALL HIM" on the radio SHOWE where the
> 12 y.o. boy asked HOWE to train his little
> Chihuahua to DHOWEN.
>
> FRAUDreck told him to HIRE a trainer.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> Check it HOWET.
>
> Go to his website. ASK FRAUDreck for ADVICE.
>
> He'll tell you he's like a DOCTOR and he
> can't DIAGNOSE on the WWW BWEEEEAHAHAA!!!
>
> Then ask him HOWE did he REALLY do with
> cindi and buck there stories DIFFERED a
> bit after a little QUESTIONING from Jerry
> HOWE.
>
> > one without another dog to compete with,
>
> Hey? Suppose SUMPTHIN CHANGES? Like maybe
> a kid returns with their own dog, that'd
> mean someWON ELSE got to FIND A NEW HOWES.
>
> You CANNOT DO THAT to dogs. You shuffle
> them arHOWEND to suit the needs and desire
> of all the SUCKERS you take advantage of
> and short shrift the dogs by failing to
> train them FROM THE GIT GO so you don't
> have to TAKE THEM IN for a WEE BIT OF MONEY
> and SELL THEM AGAIN as ADOPTIONS, TAX DED.
> to boot, eh tara o. aka tee?
>
> You suppose that a organization NETWORKING
> THAT KINDA SCAM is covered by the RICCO act?
> IT'S CRIMINAL what you bums are DOIN BY YOUR
> OWN WRITTEN WORDS.
>
> The STATISTICS are TOO CONSISTENT to be LUCK.
>
> > who will fall
>
> The WHOWEL doGgamenedbunchofya together
> in WON FELL SWOOP <{); ~ ) >
>
> Hey? Any of you sympathetic types seen
> eddie w of PET LOSS DOT COIN lately?
> Tell him lightenin strike was lookin
> for him...
>
> > head over heels
>
> Naaaa, MOORE LIKE A ROCK...
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAAA!!!
>
> > for him
>
> HOWE could WON NOT? He WAS PERFECT.
> Well, close, if you can tolerate a
> few typical Boxer habits.
>
> > just as everyone else who knows him has done.
>
> EXXXCEPT YOUR DOG. You called her your ALPHA BITCH.
>
> YOU SEZ IT IS SHE who TRAINS ALL YOUR NEW DOGS
> as is OFTEN RECOMMENDED here abHOWETS.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't approve of
> allHOWEING the dogs to SET THEIR PECKIN ORDER
> HE TEACHES THEM to BE TRUSTING FRIENDS by simply
> NOT DOIN NUTHIN LIKE HOWE YOU DO IT AGAIN AND
> AGAIN AND AGAIN.
>
> So? What's tommorow gonna bring?
>
> > --
> > Tara
>
> ALL DEPENDS ON WHICH END OF THE PISSER YOU'RE ON,
> tara o. aka tee, Boxer Rescue Of NC <{); ~ ) >
>
> "Only the unenlightened speak of
> wisdom and right action
> as separate, not the wise.
>
> If any man knows one,
> he enjoys the fruit of both.
>
> The level which is reached by wisdom
> is attained
> through right action as well.
>
> He who perceives that the two are one
> knows the truth."
>
> "Even the wise man acts in character
> with his nature,
> indeed all creatures act
> according to their natures.
>
> What is the use of compulsion then?
>
> The love and hate which are aroused
> by the objects of sense
> arise from Nature,
> do not yield to them.
>
> They only obstruct the path." -
> -
> Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
> Krishna with permission from
> His FREE copy of The Puppy
> Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.
>
> ALL Critters Only Respond In
> PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
> INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
> To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
> Which We Create For Them.
>
> Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
> And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
> FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
> SAME SAME SAME SAME,
> For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
>
> The ROCK. Born Of A Virgin. Crucified For His Sins.
>
> "Born Of A Virgin?"
> Mental Illness,
> Ethical Breeding & BehaviorISM
>
> HOWEDY People,
>
> Mental illness runs rampant within families:
>
> HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,
>
> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:cda6a8$8nl$1@uwm.edu...
>
> > In article <Fri9527C06A5DBF3australianshepher...@rocky-dog.com>
> Rocky 2...@rocky-dog.com, writes:
> > >Marshall Dermer said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>
> > >> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my
> > >> mentally ill mother
>
> Any ETHICKAL breeder would DISCONTINUE
> the DEFECTIVE LINE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > >> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
> > >> When the doctor completed the examination,
> > >> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
> > >> herself to be a virgin!
>
> Many breeders, especially when dealing with
> temperaMENTAL bitches rely on artificial insemination.
>
> > >> Now if my Jewish, biological mother reported
> > >> herself to be a virgin than what might this make
> > >> me? :-)
>
> An artificial breeding EXXXPERIMENT?
>
> The remainin choices ain't all that appealin, professor.
>
> > >Heh.
>
> Heh heh.
>
> > > Maybe it's time you visited one of
> > > those links listed in my header.
>
> Heh. Maybe it's time for you lying dog abusing
> punk thug cowards to find your own PRIVATE
> list where you can hurt dogs and lie abHOWET
> it all you like withHOWET fear of The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING MOCKING and
> RIDICULING your "methods" by QUOTING you.
>
> > Hm...if I were the Moshiach (Hebrew for "the
> > anointed one")
>
> You mean, bein a non believing jew who PREYS
> like HEEL when he was SICK and DYING, born
> of a lying whore, or a MENTAL CASE, on accHOWENT
> of as a SCIENTIST you CANNOT BELIEVE in G-D,
> therefore your PREYIN was DEFECTIVE, likeWIZE,
> therefore, a VIRGIN BIRTH would necessarily be only
> ANOTHER LIE or a psychotic break from reality.
>
> You figger HOWET what THAT would make you, professor.
>
> > then I would have "cleaned up" this world.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
> your WORK and EXXXPOSED you as a lying dog
> abusing FRAUD, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > As for folks believing they are the Messiah
>
> Or a SCIENTIST not believing that MENTAL
> ILLNESS is EITHER hereditary or environMENTAL...
> IOW, ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAIVOR, professor
> SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > (or Jesus in the case of Christians),
>
> Or perhaps The Amazing Puppy Wizard for those
> non believers amongst us, particularly SCIENTISTS
> who've been PROVEN FRAUDS, professor.
>
> > a classic study of three people who claimed to
> > be Jesus is introduced here:
>
> <snip link>
>
> A classic study of a lying dog abusing punk
> thug fraud behaviorist is introduced here...
>
> > This is good too, especially the song at the end.
>
> The SONG at the end is a FUNeral dirge, professor.
>
> > Kol tuv, (all that is good,)
>
> INDEED, professor. ALL IS GOOD.
>
> > --Marshall
>
> ESPECIALLY if you're DIVINE.
>
> But it ain't over till The Fat Lady sings.
>
> Hark! Methinks The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> hears her warming up right NHOWE:
>
> "If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
> Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
> Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
>
> Hello Jenn,
>
> "brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message
>
> news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...
>
> > Hello Jerry,
> > I just wanted to let you know that I am
> > trying this right now.
>
> Good.
>
> > I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> > ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> > pinch collar.
>
> I recall.
>
> > She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> > We have been doing this technique you
> > recommend for about a half an hour now
> > and the results are already fantastic, as
> > well as amusing!
>
> Yeah, dog training should always be more
> fun than work.
>
> > At first, we went out and I stood there,
> > and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> > sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> > and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> > your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
>
> It's the same principle as in the Hot And
> Cold Exercise.
>
> > I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> > but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> > stopped and looked at me as if she were
> > thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> > The second and third times, she was even
> > MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> > I got the same look when I turned around
> > to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> > bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> > with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> > up the leash, and this last time, I HAD TO CALL
> > HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
> four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
> some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
> usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.
>
> Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
> locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
> Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
> lead and go to the front door. She would probably
> do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.
>
> Likewise for any other door.
>
> It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
> several other doors and it would be easiest to
> start with a door that had less excitement involved
> with it.
>
> > If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> > done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> > years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!
>
> The non force methods work fast and easy
> because we are not challenging the dog or
> calling our attention to their behavior problems.
>
> > I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> > I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> > I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> > that I still find myself yanking on her collar.
>
> Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
> me to train a person who has no experience at all
> because they have no bad habits of pulling and
> forcing control.
>
> > I feel so awful! We have only been working
> > in the yard without distractions, because I
> > honestly don't know what will happen if she
> > sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> > collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> > a fight.
>
> You know that working the dog in the back
> yard is not preferable, because that causes
> them some anxiety because it's their free area.
> But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
> to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
> do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
> command several times out there, and then you'll
> have the control to do it in a more neutral area.
>
> > The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> > hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> > excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> > combined with the intense fear I used to see
> > in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!
>
> Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
> eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
> collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
> through fear and that cause tremendous stress
> and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
> relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
> chewing, self mutilation and aggression.
>
> > That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> > fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> > I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> > know how, but I'm learning!
>
> That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
> ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
> dogs to make them work.
>
> > Thanks for your help. Please send more
> > suggestions if you saw something I could
> > be doing differently!
> > Jenn & Anya
>
> I was thinking about your difficulties with
> your dog. Just getting the Hot And Cold
> Exercise and the Family Leadership Exercise
> and the come command installed will solve
> most of your difficulty with him.
>
> I presume you've got msn messenger. We
> can speak over that if you are set up for it,
> and I can demonstrate the timing and tone
> and tempo for using sound distractions
> and praise, or we could speak on the phone.
>
> The most important thing to remember is to
> pick up and handle the lead in a relaxed manner,
> no white knuckles, keep your elbow relaxed and
> your arm down at your side with the length of the
> lead breaking just below the knee.
>
> Let me know if you need further help.
>
> Jerry.
>
> "Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote in message
> news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
>
> > Tracy,
> > What worked for me, in just one storm,
> > was to praise the dog after each clap
> > of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
> > This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
> > The next time it thundered, he did not even
> > react at all--you could not tell it was the same
> > dog as before.
> > There was more thunder just the other day,
> > and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
> > cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
> > it was that simple.
> > I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
> > to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
> > abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
> > Wonderfully.
> > Praise.
> > It's that simple.
> > Juanita
>
> "Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks, so is he."
> Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073
>
> "We are what we do."
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>
> >Paul B wrote:
> >> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> >> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> >> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
> >> does next (the common advice is to praise once
> >> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
> >> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
> >> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own
> >> experiences is an important part of the process.
>
> And how do we know this aspect of his
> advice is right?
>
> Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
> His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
>
> --Marshall
>
> =================
>
> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...
>
> From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
>
> Hello Marshall,
>
> The way I view it from my observation of how
> my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
> the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
> interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
> a second and then will either continue the
> behaviour or do something else.
>
> The praise reassures the dog that the sound
> distraction is not a threat or punishment,
> however if everytime the dog resumes a
> particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
> (and praised immediately for reassurance) then
> it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
> and it ceases.
>
> A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
> and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
> otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
> alternate behaviour is offered.
>
> One example, Sam used to jump up on me
> when I arrived home, I would shake can to
> distract him right at the moment he was
> about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
> he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
> course this was fine so I let it be.
>
> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> praise immediately regardless of what the
> dog does next (the common advice is to
> praise once the dog is doing a desired
> behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
> behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
> and from my own experiences is an important
> part of the process.
>
> > Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> > a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> > that this may not work and so distraction
> > is recommended as a back up procedure:
>
> "Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>
> >>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
> >>> reduction, it went something like this
> >>> with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"
> >>> Yoshi: Bark, bark,
> >>> us: HUSH Youshi
> >>> Yoshi Bark, bark......................
> >>> us: Hush Youshi
> >>> Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ................................. >
> >>> it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
> >>> We decided to try the Jerry method
> >>> :Yoshi: BARK, BARK
> >>> US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
> >>> Yoshi Bark, Bark
> >>> US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.
> >>> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
> >>> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
> >>> can praise him, to deal with things like this.
> >>> Thanks Jerry
> >>> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
> >>> Papers, and learn how to live with our son
> >>> "Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> Estel J. Hines
>
> ==============
>
> > There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
>
> Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> "Ned" <komod...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fQIg9.25850$561.25365@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
>
> > Hi !
> > Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she
> > will be 4 months on the 30th).
> > When we first brought her home she had
> > a bad habit of trying to nip our faces (including
> > my 3 year old twins) during playtime. It drove
> > everyone in the house nuts and it brought my
> > little girls to tears as you can imagine.
> > We tried saying no, and that would just get
> > her even more excited, so we would yell no
> > and that would just get her "scared" but still
> > excited. In short it just wasn't working.
> > So we finally did what Jerry has suggested
> > to you. We used a sound do distract her and
> > we would immediately praise her.
> > I have to say that it worked great. BUT she
> > then moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly
> > little thing.
> > So again, we tried no, and then louder no,
> > but again it didn't work so we went for the
> > distraction and praise.
> > I must say that she is doing great!
> > I hope that helps.
> > Edyta aka Ned
>
> ===================
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
>
> Hello.
> I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
> I never trained or owned a dog before this
> year.
>
> I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
> with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
> stop barking in a weekend.
>
> Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
> whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
> earlier life is unknown.
>
> I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
> minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
> he came to me every time with no hesitation.
>
> I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
> not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
> door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
> he usually calms down right away.
>
> A couple of times I had to get the cans
> out again to reinforce the behavior.
>
> We feel a strong bond with this animal
> and he is very eager to accept our love.
>
> So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
> I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
>
> His method worked for us.
>
> I don't know if it would have been quite
> as effective if we had tried another method first.
>
> Florence
>
> ------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
> Subject: Off to a good start!
>
> Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
> your manual and have started working with
> the dogs...
>
> "Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
> "The Destroyer") has already shown
> great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
>
> She responds even better than our other
> (better-behaved) dog "Poe".
>
> We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
> not a thing was touched when we got back!
>
> We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
> that interested in toys and was still very uptight
> about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
> seemed to work.
>
> We both work all day today so we'll see
> how that goes... Regardless, we will be
> cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
>
> I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
> to get through to her! We're very excited about
> her progress thus far...
>
> Thank You!
>
> Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
>
> __________________________________
>
> professor SCRUFF SHAKE CONtinues:
>
> > Sound distraction may be understood in
> > terms of the more general behavior analytic
> > approach as follows.
>
> > The distracting stimulus
>
> Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?
>
> >evokes a behavior that is incompatible with barking.
>
> You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face
> for 5 seconds?
>
> > The dog engages in some other behavior
>
> NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.
>
> > and then is reinforced (if praise functions as a reinforcer).
>
> NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.
>
> > --Marshal
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
> In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
> <d...@try.it> writes:
>
> > Hi Lynn,
>
> > I used to have a barking problem with my
> > German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago.
> > I tried several things recommended to me by
> > different trainers, and nothing was working.
>
> > When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
> > I thought the same way you did.
>
> > "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
> > counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
> > I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.
>
> > Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> > outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
> > such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
> > the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
> > will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
> > but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
> > to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> > Jenn,
>
> Could you be so kind as to post here the
> section from Jerry's manual where he
> writes that you should JUST praise the
> dog when it barks?????????
>
> As I recall, I thought he first advocates
> distracting the dog from barking, with
> keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
> can, before praising.
>
> Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
> Jerry's system.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --Marshall Dermer
>
> P.S: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
> forward to your post.
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
> Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
> In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
> <d...@try.it> writes:
> > Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about
> > me. I hope I can change your mind in the future,
> > as I love reading your posts, and value (and
> > have used) some of your advice.
>
> BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
>
> > As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting
> > to get a plain answer about something instead
> > of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
> > done.
>
> > Jenn Standring
>
> I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
> distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
>
> You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
> is not the purpose of teaspoon!
>
> --Marshall
>
> From: "Jeff & Di"
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
> Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual
>
> HOWEDY Diana,
>
> > Hi Jerry,
>
> > Thanks very much for the prompt reply.
> > I'm just writing to let you know that I've
> > had some wonderful progress with Molly.
>
> Of curse!
>
> > I took her up to the school in the car when
> > I was picking up my daughter. My husband
> > went to get our daughter while I stayed in
> > the car with Molly. It was a quick trip so I
> > wasn't expecting any car sickness, but I
> > thought it would be a great opportunity to
> > work on her fear of people approaching the
> > car.
>
> > When we pulled up, there were already a lot
> > of people and kids milling around, and as I
> > haven't explained the AWETM to my husband
> > of course he was yelling at Molly to shut up
> > and sit down.
>
> That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.
>
> > As you can imagine this didn't help.
>
> > Once he was gone I simply told Molly she
> > was good, she growled a few times at people
> > and I said "thanks Molly I see them too, they're
> > ok" then I asked her to find her ball which was
> > in the back.
>
> I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
> distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
> to become dependent on putting something
> in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
> 2) it may disavail you of successive training
> opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.
>
> > She loves her ball so was keen to do that and
> > didn't notice what was by now a big crowd of
> > parents and kids passing the car.
>
> See, we really do want her to notice, so
> we can briefly and variably distract and
> praise to extinguish the behavior.
>
> > I kept up with the "good girl" and "where's
> > your ball" soon she was sitting watching
> > the people walk past and offering them
> > her ball to throw, not that they noticed her.
>
> Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
> use the ball again the next time, just follow
> the praise techniques.
>
> > But it was lovely to see her so relaxed.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
> nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
> withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
> as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.
>
> > Just to add, I was sitting in the front and she
> > was in the back of the wagon, so this was all
> > verbal praise and distraction with no touching
> > or patting.
>
> Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
> thinking and processing the information.
>
> > Jerry it is so hard not to yell at the dog when
> > you are frustrated and want it to behave immediately,
>
> Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
> extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.
>
> > but as you have said it really gets you nowhere in the long run.
>
> "Reinforcement NEVER ends."
>
> That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
> non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
> on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
> bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
> cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
> the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
> and praising before the thought is fulfilled till
> it's no longer thought of as a useful behavior.
>
> > I would never of had these great results
> > with Molly without your help, as we really
> > were stuck in the "yelling at the dog" rut.
>
> Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
> My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
> kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.
>
> > I have to work on getting my husband to read
> > your manual now, by the way an At Wits End
> > Husband Training Manual would be helpful too,
> > haha.
>
> Not a chance in heel. If Mrs. Puppy Wizard
> discovered it I'd be wearin an apron and workin
> insetead of settin right here, stark ravin nekkid,
> wearin nuthin but these gawd awful paper slippers.
>
> > Thankyou so much for providing this info for free.
>
> My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...
>
> > I was looking at dog training books in the shops
>
> > today and they are so expensive !! (around $30
> > to $40 in Australia) Not that I need them now, but
> > I like to browse the dog and pet sections from
> > time to time.
>
> Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...
>
> > You might like think about publishing a book
> > one day, I think it would be received very well
> > by the general public and reach those without
> > internet access.
>
> I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
> on the news groups ain't interested in training
> their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
> problems and the training tools they used to cause
> them.
>
> > I was going to copy my last letter onto the news
> > groups but see that you have already done so.
>
> Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
> cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
> forgeries.
>
> > Feel free to quote this letter too if it helps.
>
> Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
> cause it'll be more believable coming from you.
>
> These folks think it should take weeks and
> months to rehabiliatate behavior problems.
> They think they're successful if they've
> rehabilitated an aggresson problem after a
> year or longer working at it.
>
> > It's unfortunate that the newsgroups are cluttered
> > with rubbish, as It would be nice to discuss dogs
> >from time to time with other dog lovers.
>
> That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
> don't post there. Every WON is interested
> in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
> resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.
>
> > cheers,
>
> LikeWIZE.
>
> > Dianna
>
> Yours, Jerry.
>
> HOWEDY Brandy,
>
> "Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@posting.google.com...
> > KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
> <news:2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com>...
>
> > Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
> > Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
> > to train yet.
>
> > Today a salesman knocked on the door,
> > and Pokey was going balisstic. I calmly
> > go to the window to see who it is, and
> > off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> > Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me
> > a quizical look, and came and sat beside
> > my feet!
>
> > OMG, I could not believe it!
>
> > I was totally floored, as this has been his
> > behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> > and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
>
> Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.
>
> > Brandy
>
> It's customary here abHOWETS to put
> NINNYBOY [NINNYBOY] Jerry JERRY
> [JERRY] The Puppy Wizard The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard in the subject header to
> AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.
>
> "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
> Never Change,
> Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
> Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
> For All Handler's
> And All Dogs,
> NEARLY INSTANTLY,
> As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
> WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
> The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
>
> You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT or CHILD in a few minutes
> to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T
> follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat and child abusing
> MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP.
>
> You GET The Critter You TRAINED
>
> A DOG Is A Dog;
> As A KAT Is A KAT;
> As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
> As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
> As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
>
> ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
>
> ALL Critters Only Respond In
> PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
> INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
> To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
> Which We Create For Them.
>
> Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
> And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:
>
> Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
> at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
> "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
> box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:
>
> "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
> function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
> by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
> of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
> too things.
>
> First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
> decreased; and two, you have established "No"
> as a conditioned punisher.
>
> How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
> minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
> biting.
>
> ******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******
>
> When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
> forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
> closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
> before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
>
> "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use
> "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS
> works."
>
> That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
> and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
>
> And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
> can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
> cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
> a coward and a MENTAL CASE.
>
> Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
> HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
> Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
> INSTANTLY.
>
> You GET The Critter You TRAINED
>
> A DOG Is A Dog;
> As A KAT Is A KAT;
> As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
> As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
> As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
>
> ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
>
> ALL Critters Only Respond In
> PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
> INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
> To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
> Which We Create For Them.
>
> Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
> And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
> FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
> SAME SAME SAME SAME,
> For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
>
> "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
> so utterly beyond value."
>
> Like a confessor Priest?
>
> "With him,
> words play no torturing tricks.., "
> --John Galsworthy.
>
> Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
> Their behaviors reflect
> HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
> Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
>
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
> can be judged
> by the way its animals are treated."
> ~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from
> his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. <} ; ~ ) >
>
> There are NO grey areas between RIGHT and WRONG.
>
> Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom
> and right action as separate,
> not the wise.
>
> If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
>
> The level which is reached by wisdom
> is attained
> through right action as well.
>
> He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
>
> "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
> indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
>
> What is the use of compulsion then?
>
> The love and hate which are aroused
> by the objects of sense
> arise from Nature,
> do not yield to them.
> They only obstruct the path." -
>
> - Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
> Krishna with permission from
> His FREE copy of The Puppy
> Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.
>
> "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
> and you will know each other.
> If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
> and what you do not know you will fear.
>
> What one fears, one destroys."
> Chief Dan George
>
> "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from
> the few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
> --Marshall
>
> The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
> synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
> ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
> embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
> anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
> permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
> and conditioning.
>
> It's the perfect fusion of The Word...,
> in the physical.
>
> It's time for the dog training industry and
> the universities who TEACH "behaiviorists"
> to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100%
> NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN
> by the cHOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
> Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS,
> after they've TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS
> and FAILED.
>
> "The greatness of a nation and its moral
> progress can be judged by the way its
> animals are treated." ~ Mohandas Gandhi --
> Adapted with permission from his FREE
> copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
> End Dog Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >
>
> Force training JERRYIZES dogs
> and GETS THEM DEAD.
> > From: "Marshall Dermer"
> > <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
> > To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> > <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
> > Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
> > Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>
> > I have, of late, come to recognize your
> > genius and now must applaud your attempts
> > to save animals from painful training
> > procedures.
>
> > You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional
> > talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to
> > crafting posts to alert the world to animal
> > abuse.
>
> > We are lucky to have you, and more people
> > should come to their senses and support
> > your valuable work.
>
> > Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> > charity to fund your important work?
>
> > Have you thought about holding a press
> > conference so others can learn of your
> > highly worthwhile and significant work?
>
> > In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> > try to keep your messages short for most
> > readers may refuse to read a long message
> > even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
>
> > I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> > --Marshall Dermer
> > Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
> > Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
> > of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
> > Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> > der...@uwm.edu
> > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> > --------------------------------------
>
> All truth passes through three stages.
> First, it is ridiculed.
> Second, it is violently opposed.
> Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
> -Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
> even tho it's a hopeless task,
> in this system of things.
> As long as man is ruling man,
> there will be animals (and humans!)
> abused and neglected. :-(
> Your student," Juanita.
>
> "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
> and minds will follow,"
> John Wayne.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >

Joe792
2005-10-13 23:57:50 EST
and..PPS..this is the kind of org I'm talking about..independent with no
government funding.
http://www.almosthomerescue.org/


A*y@HushMail.Com wrote:

> HOWEDY joe792,
>
> joe792 wrote:
> > cat_lover wrote:
> >
> > > We have had our dog for about 3 months and
> > > have realized he is way to much for us. I
> > > want to find a good home for him. Where is
> > > a good place to find a home for your dog?
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > > Trina is TX
>
> > There are also rescue orgs for various breeds.
>
> Yeah. GETTIN RID of troubled dogs owned by doting
> loving owners is NOT the solution to animal abuse.
>
> Most of the dogs winding up in "shelters" and
> "rescues" are there because of temperament and
> behavior problems CAUSED BY the handling and
> training recommended by shelters and rescues.
>
> > A web search will find them
>
> We got 'em all right here. We got some of the
> most self serving lying dog abusing punk thug
> coward mental cases involved in "shelter" and
> "rescue" like racetrack silly tara o. aka tee
> lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and janet boss
> who choke shock intimidate and murder innocent
> defenseless dumb critters AND LIE ABHOWET IT.
>
> > and they can help as well as give you good tips
> > on finding a real home and avoiding some of the
> > pitfalls which could see your pet in a kill shelter
> > in short order.
>
> Well, that's if the SHELTER and RESCUE organization
> DON'T FREAKIN MURDER the dog for more money paid by
> the state to MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> HOWEDY paul,
>
> Paul Richardson wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > This is a somewhat depressing post,
>
> Yeah? You AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN yet, paul...
>
> > so please only read if are generally concerned.
>
> Having NOT READ AHEAD, The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> PREDICTS it is YOU who is the CAUSE of the "PROBLEM".
>
> > I have worked in kennel management, mainly rescue for most of my life
>
> That so? We got a LOT of "RESCUE" folks right here...
>
> > Now I'm managing some commercial kennels that also deal with rescue.
>
> There's money to be made hand over fist, comin an goin
> with your RESCUE organizations.
>
> > We are boarding a Staffordshire Bull Terrier male on behalf of the police
>
> That's kindly of the heat to provide boarding for their dogs...
>
> > that is in on the Dangerous Dogs Act for biting a child 12
> > months ago on two seperate occasions.
>
> Oh, they're holding him as EVIDENCE.
>
> THAT'S NORMAL, paul...
>
> > The owners were the scum of the earth and trained the dog to bite -
>
> That so? The Amazing Puppy Wizard trains all HIS dogs to bite.
>
> > there is no question of that.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the dog's JOB.
>
> > She has since been banned from owning dogs for 10 years.
>
> Oh? So the dog is lookin for a new HOWES?
>
> > Now legally, a dog that bites anyone can be classed as dangerous
>
> Yeah. That's on accHOWENT of the imbeciles who work in the business.
>
> > irrespective of it's upbringing
>
> All behavior problems are caused by mishandling, not bad dogs.
> All aggression is fear. All fear is caused by mishandling. Folks
> who COMPLAIN and BLAME the breed or the dog are the CAUSE of the
> MISHANDLING these dogs are reacting to as any critter will do.
>
> > and personally whilst I am a devoted animal lover,
>
> Yeah. You work in RESCUE.
>
> > I can understand why.
>
> That so? What you UNDERSTAND is HOWE COME you MURDER dogs.
>
> > In short, a dangerous dog is euthanised.
>
> In shorter, you're a dog abusing mental case.
>
> > My moral problem
>
> Your MORAL PROBLEM is you're a dog abusing punk
> thug coward blowhard who hurts intimidates and
> murders dogs and blames the dog or the breed
> for the mishandling you give them <{) : ~ ( >
>
> > with this dog
>
> A dog is a dog.
>
> > is this....
>
> That you KNOW NUTHIN but think you do...
>
> > 1) The dog has been in boarding kennels for 12 months now.
>
> That's nice.
>
> > These are kennels only designed to hold dogs for a
> > few weeks at the most, they are small.
>
> If they're TOO SMALL for a dog to live in comfortably
> the kennel should have it's licence pulled an be shut
> DHOWEN. or they could only board TINY dogs... IF the
> facility doesn't have OTHER DEFECTS.
>
> > 2) Because the owner keeps appealing the dogs euthanaise,
>
> You think dogs that scare you should be murdered
> on accHOWENT of THAT is the HUMAN NATURE of a dog
> abusing punk thug coward mental case <{) : ~ ( >
>
> > the dog is still here, slowly rotting in kennels.
>
> Isn't this the kennels YOU are WORKIN at, paul?
>
> > 3) The dog has never been walked, played with, given
> > attention or even health checked since it has been in
>
> Well, perhaps you're TOO BUSY SAVIN all the dogs that need your heelp?
>
> > because it is on the dangerous dogs act and we have
> > been refused permission to do anything other than
> > feed it.
>
> Right... that means you can't take IT HOWET of the facility.
> But that DON'T mean you can't make him HAPPY and comfortable.
>
> UNLESS YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE.
>
> It's ONLY a DUMB ANIMAL. Certainly a GENIUS like yourself
> who's WORKED ALL HIS LIFE in RESCUE can make a dog FEEL GOOD
> withHOWET KILLIN IT like mikey ball does to HEELP <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> > The kennels are on a hatch system where the dog can be
> > isolated without coming in to contact with anyone cleaning
> > the kennel or feeding it.
>
> Well paulie, perhaps givin the caliber of the dog lovers
> you work with, based on your own EXXXAMPLE are not the
> sort of folks a self respecting dog would want to pal with?
>
> > This cannot be right.
>
> You'd PREFER to MURDER the dog, paulie?
>
> > I have been at these kennels for only a few months and
> > it is breaking my heart. In 12 months the dog has calmed
> > down and appears to have lost its vicious streak.
>
> AMAZING?
>
> > Does anything know what the true legal standing
> > is in terms of either release or euthanaise on
> > the grounds of animal welfare???
>
> Yeah. "Animal welfare" MEANS YOU DON'T MURDER INNOCENT
> DUMB ANIMALS on accHOWENT of YOU AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT
> to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog.
>
> > Any replies would be greatly appreciated. I cannot divulge
> > the whereabouts of the dog, so please don't ask. My reason
> > why is that these kennels need to be brought up to speed on
> > several issues regarding animal welfare and if I loose my
> > job here these impovements will not get done.
> >
> > Paul R.
>
> HOWEDY Bob,
>
> Bob wrote:
> > we currently have a 4 year old beagle and my
> > fiancee is throwing a fit for another dog.
>
> Good.
>
> > We visited a place called noah's ark
>
> I'm sure Noah's Ark is as fine and reputable
> rescue / shelter organization as existS anywhere.
>
> > and they are a no kill shelter.
>
> You mean they disadvantage dogs who are having
> behavior problems from their original homes for
> a WEE BIT OF MONEY and SELL THEM to "adoptive
> parents" for a WEE BIT OF MONEY and will accept
> them back for a WEE BIT MORE MONEY and SELL THEM
> again to another adoptive forever family for a
> WEE BIT MORE MONEY instead of teaching families
> HOWE to puperly handle and train those dogs in
> just a few minutes by simply DOING EVERY THING
> EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been
> taught by the EXXXPERTS who teach us to lock our
> dogs in boxes and ignore their cries, bribe and
> spray them in the face with aversives for being
> afraid lonely and looking for unconditional love
> trust and respect.
>
> > We liked one dog there. It was given up by its
> > owner and labeled as being "to much".
>
> That little dog could have kept his original home
> had these RESCUERS offered his people a few minutes
> of EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
> CONDITIONING:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > Here's HOWE: < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
> <{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
>
> > I'm guessing the problem
>
> Behavior science is NOT a matter of GUESSWORK
> EXXXCEPT AS TAUGHT by our UNIVERSITY BEHAVIORISTS
> and professional trainers.
>
> > is in the potty training department
>
> HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age.
> ONLY a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER or university trained
> behaviorist could CONfHOWEND nature's perfect
> HOWEsbreaking program.
>
> > and chewing
>
> Destructive chewing is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
> (like ALL temperament and behavior problems)
> like fear of thunder, car sickness, aggression
> and self mutilation, therefore they can be CURED
> NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply DOING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
> OPPOSITE of HOWE our EXXXPERTS teach.
>
> LIKE THIS:
>
> "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
> Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
> Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
> Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
> The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
> Years Experience.
>
> From: Hoku Beltz
> To: The Puppy Wizard
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
> Subject: Mahalo
>
> Aloha Jerry,
>
> Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
> technique is working wonders.
>
> I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.
>
> It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come
> home to a made bed.
>
> Your program is awesome, but you already know
> that. Keep up the good work!
>
> Hoku
>
> ==================
>
> From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
> Subject: Off to a good start!
>
> Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
> your manual and have started working with
> the dogs...
>
> "Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
> "The Destroyer") has already shown
> great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
>
> She responds even better than our other
> (better-behaved) dog "Poe".
>
> We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
> not a thing was touched when we got back!
>
> We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
> that interested in toys and was still very uptight
> about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
> seemed to work.
>
> We both work all day today so we'll see
> how that goes... Regardless, we will be
> cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
>
> I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
> to get through to her! We're very excited about
> her progress thus far...
>
> Thank You!
>
> Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
>
> _____________________________­__
>
> Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
> Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
>
> Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
> spoken with him briefly once by email.
>
> I have no stake or interest in the success of his
> business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
> of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
>
> I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
> animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
> I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
> Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
>
> I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
> personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
> him is not understanding his logic.
>
> Thank you Jerry!
>
> =====================
>
> Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
> "Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
>
> > Hi!
> > I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> > In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> > anxiety surrogate toy technique."
>
> > Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with
> > my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> > Comments? Yves Dussault
>
> Yves,
>
> I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
> just used it last evening while my husband and I went
> out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
> a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
> end to end in the meantime).
>
> Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
> techniques described therein.
>
> If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
> begin the exercises as well.
>
> Regards,
> Lisa
>
> ===========
>
> > from the little info I could get from them.
>
> Often folks don't disclose ALL the behavior
> problems they're having with the dogs they're
> ABANDONING because they're AFRAID they'll MURDER
> THEM due to a LACK OF INFORMATION thanks to the
> massive efforts of ETHICKAL breeders, vets,
> trainers, shelter / rescue operators and university
> trained behaviorists who PROFIT from idiopathic /
> iatrogenic temperament and behavior problems which
> comprise 90% of today's veterinary care.
>
> IOW, there's NO REASON ANY DOG should EVER be
> in a RESCUE or SHELTER unless it's due to family
> hardship or being "lost". CO-INCIDENTALLY, dogs,
> like children DO NOT GET LOST, they RUN AWAY from
> abusive / neglectful / uncaring / doting (CON-
> TROLLING) families.
>
> > It was very playful and interested in us.
>
> Fine. Take him and rehabilitate him in WON DAY
> using the EFFECTIVE METHODS and INFORMATION I've
> provided you FOR FREE, the INFORMATION the DOG
> LOVING EXXXPERTS will WARN YOU NOT TO BELIEVE
> because IT DISCREDITS EVERY THING THEY TEACH.
>
> > We also went over to animal control and my fiancee
> > wants to get one of the dogs with some burn marks
> > (not really sure what it is) just to help out.
>
> That's probably the best choice if you want to
> save a dog's life. The critters in the "NO KILL"
> shelter will have time to wait for a new home.
>
> Offer them a copy of my FREE manual and they'll
> LAUGH THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU for giving them BUNK
> as professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer from UofWI sez
> it is:
>
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
> Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>
> >Paul B wrote:
> >> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> >> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> >> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
> >> does next (the common advice is to praise once
> >> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
> >> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
> >> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
> >> is an important part of the process.
>
> And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?
>
> Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
>
> His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
>
> --Marshall
>
> =================
>
> Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
> at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
> "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
> box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:
>
> "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
> But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
> shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
> then you will have achieved too things.
>
> First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
> and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
>
> How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
> minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
> biting.
>
> ******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******
>
> When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
> forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
> closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
> before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
>
> "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
> to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."
>
> > I can completely understand this but all the dogs
> > there seem quite timid or agressive.
>
> Duh??? They've been DISADVANTAGED by their original
> forever owners who FOLLOWED THE ADVICE of the EXXXPERT
> PROFESSIONAL trainers and veterinary ethologists like
> we got RIGHT HERE who've been IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and
> DISCREDITED by THEIR OWN WORDS as QUOTED in The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard's revealing posts.
>
> > Our dog is a little bossy and stubborn
>
> You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled
> as you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS.
>
> > but is quite playful after she gets comfortable.
>
> AS STATED: "You mean he's AFRAID and OPPOSITIONAL when mishandled as
> you've BEEN TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS."
>
> > I'm kind of torn on what we should get.
>
> GET THIS FIRST:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
>
> > I really love the dog at noah's ark
>
> Fine, if that's what you prefer.
>
> > even though she might need some extra work.
>
> SEZ WHO? The EXXXPERTS who DISADVANTAGED HER of
> her original family for a lack of INFORMATION
> IDEAS and METHODS and will DO and SAY ANY THING
> to DEFEND their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMDIATE
> and MURDER innocent critters?
>
> From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
> Date: 1999/12/21
> Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer
>
> In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"
>
> <j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> > Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> > do you find that he masturbates more frequently after
> > such instances? (referring to your post about your dog
> > using a pillow to get himself off)
>
> First, I punish behavior, not dogs.
>
> Second, I rarely issue corrections.
>
> Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.
>
> I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not
> really concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find
> such dog behavior offensive. Eating dog poop, for me, is
> another story. And the rate of that behavior has also
> diminished with time. :-)
>
> --Marshall
>
> > They are also full right now which means
> > they can't except anymore dogs
>
> That's probably good, because EXXXCEPT for
> STRAY and HARDSHIP cases THEY GOT NO DAMED
> BUSINESS disadvantaging dogs of their homes
> when all it takes is a FEW MINUTES to LEARN
> HOWE to pupperly handle raise and train ANY
> critter, including children:
>
> <{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
>
> From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
> Date: 1999/07/14
> Subject: Re: Puppy adolescence
>
> In article <378CB7A8.757C6...@earthlink.net> jillbr...@earthlink.net
> writes:
> >Myth or fact?
>
> > Our beagle pup has always had her share of attitude
> > (c'mon, it called "spunky," mom), but I seem to be
> > getting more than my fair share of blank stares these
> > days. For example, she's across the room, I tell her
> > to come, she stis there, tilts her head and stares at
> > me. I can almost hear her little doggie brain thinking
> > "wonder what'll happen if I ignore that???"
>
> > Do all dogs have random periods of disobedience or is
> > this the doggie-adolescence I've heard about (she's
> > 10.5 months)? How long might it last? What's the best
> > way to handle it -- do I clamp down a little or just
> > wait it out?
>
> >thanks,
> >-jill
>
> My dog almost always comes when called. I would assume
> that this is because coming is often consequated with
> some form of reinforcement like food, petting, the
> opportunity to play a game, etc.
>
> But there are some times when he does not come.
>
> These are infrequent. What do I do? I say, "bad dog"
> and the moment he starts coming I say "good dog."
>
> Why is "bad dog" effective?
>
> When my dog was a puppy and he did not obey a command,
> that was in his repertoire, I would say "bad dog" and
> pick him up by the back of his neck and deliver a brief,
> "harsh," lecture.
>
> I would assume that in the process, I established "bad
> dog" as a powerful conditioned punisher. I also did the
> "bad dog" harsh lecture routine, when he would eat his
> poop which he seemed to do quite often.
>
> My dog, a Havanese, is quite a "softy" so I quickly
> discovered that not much of a "lecture" was needed
> to establish "bad dog" as a conditioned punisher.
>
> I should also note that I said "bad dog" in various
> ways, including near whispers. The net result is that
> "bad dog" functions as a conditioned punisher even
> when whispered.
>
> So, if my dog just "sits there" when I say "Max come"
> and then I whisper "bad dog," the vocalization in
> principle punishes the ongoing behavior and so the dog
> is disposed to do something else and that something else
> is almost always following the previously issued command.
>
> (You really don't want to issue the same command multiple
> times without some consequences for failing to comply, for
> then your dog will initially ignore your commands!)
>
> I am NOT a dog trainer. I am a behavioral psychologist
> (Associate Professor) who has loved dogs all my life.
>
> I write this because it is likely that Jerry Howe, who
> apparently opposes all forms of punishment, will post
> a follow-up to this post.
>
> His follow-up will likely not directly answer your
> question but instead refer you to his poorly written
> training manual or his magic black box that putatively
> cures nearly every canine problem.
>
> His follow up, unfortunately is also likely to personally
> attack me. You are free, of course, to form your own
> opinions and follow Jerry's advice.
>
> I want you to know that although I have used punishment,
> infrequentely and in limited ways, my dog is strongly
> bonded to me. He follows me everywhere, he sleeps with
> me, he cuddles at night with me, and he loves to perch
> himself on my legs, much like a cat, when I'm reading a
> book or talking to folks with my feet outstretched.
>
> I don't see where the limited use of punishment has
> harmed him in any general way. Perhaps, the limited
> punishment I have used together with all the postive
> reinforcement I have provided for "coming" and "going
> down" in the context of drills, in all sorts of settings,
> and under all sorts of circumstances, will someday save
> his precious life.
>
> I hope this post is helpful (also see below). Diane
> Blackman, Avrama Gingold, Paulette Nolan, Ludwig Smith,
> Lynne K. and others regularly post great advice here.
>
> Individually we sometimes make mistakes, but collectively
> I think we offer a variety of viable approaches limited
> mainly by our inability to be with you and your pooch at
> your home.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Marshall
>
> I have listed below, in rank order, ( 1 = "The
> Best") my favorite sources.
>
> 1. Overall, K. L. (1997). _Clinical behavioral medicine for small
> animals._ St.Louis: Mosby
>
> Professor Overall has earned many degrees (MS, VMD, PhD)
> and is certified by the Animal Behavior Society as an
> Applied Animal Behaviorist.
>
> 2. Diane Blackman's Fun with Your Dog:
>
> Diane has compiled "tons" of information about dogs.
> This work in progress reveals Diane's tremendous love
> and respect for dogs.
>
> http://www.dog-play.com/
>
> 3. Prof.Mark Plonsky's Fabulous Site:
>
> Mark's site has won numerous awards. It is VERY complete.
>
> http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/mphome.htm
>
> 4. Frequently Asked Questions
>
> Cindy Tittle Moore has written the "classic"
> Usenet source for information about pets.
>
> http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/noframe.html
>
> 5. Karen Pryor's Web Site:
>
> Discover clicker training and training resources.
> Clicker training is a positive approach!
>
> http://karenpryor.com/
>
> Also check out this URL for more on clicker training:
>
> http://www.superdog.com/clicker.htm
>
> 6. Gary Wilkes's Click & Treat Web Site:
>
> Much excellent training information.
>
> http://www.clickandtreat.com/petproj.htm
>
> Tell us HOWE bribing and withholding bribes and
> punishing BONDING EFFORTS like MOUTHING and JUMPING
> teaches dogs to want to come EVERY TIME you call
> them, professor, despite Skinner's clear denunciation
> of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
> THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
>
> Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
> HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward
> not received is experienced as a punishment and can
> produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et
> al, 1966)."
>
> > ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> > minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
>
> You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
> End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
>
> > I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
>
> Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
> a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
> EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
>
> > He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> > to go to the third or fourth try.
>
> From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
> Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
>
> Hi Buzzsaw
>
> Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
>
> I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
> old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
> training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
>
> I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
> addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
> the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
>
> Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
> with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
>
> Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
> and it is immediate!
>
> the first time I ask.
>
> Best of Luck to you,
>
> Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
> he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
>
> Cheers
> Barb
>
> Hi, Jerry.
>
> I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
> with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
> manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
> reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
> the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
> different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
> ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
> (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
> want to push and test me a little bit more).
>
> For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
> how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
> folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
> beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
> if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
> with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
> (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
> tho').
>
> Best, ben
>
> ===================
>
> From: <>
> To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
>
> Re: Am I expecting to much
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
> for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
> Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
> him for 3 years.
>
> It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
> training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
> then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
> it with a "good boy" first.
>
> It really does work.
>
> He was very confused at first, wondering what he
> had done to get the praise.
>
> But it really gets the attention and distracts him
> from whatever he may have going through his brain
> when he hears it.
>
> Dogs are funny, but people are too.
> Can't wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> N
>
> "Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net wrote in message
>
> > Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
>
> Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
> I took a rescued three year old beagle that
> had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
> even recognize or respond to its name to
> Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
> get real) and in just over one hour of working
> with the dog, he was coming on command
> (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
> walking with us on a loose lead.
>
> His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
> command and pack exercise WORK!
>
> > and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
>
> Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
>
> You don't have to like him. You don't have
> to agree with his methods, but as far as I
> am concerned, I've never seen any other
> training approach that was as fast and easy.
>
> <<<< Rest of original post deleted
>
> Ron Flanagan
> Orlando, Florida
>
> -----------------------
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
> Hello.
>
> I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
> I never trained or owned a dog before this
> year.
>
> I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
> with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
> stop barking in a weekend.
>
> Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
> whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
> earlier life is unknown.
>
> I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
> minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
> he came to me every time with no hesitation.
>
> I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
> not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
> door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
> he usually calms down right away.
>
> A couple of times I had to get the cans
> out again to reinforce the behavior.
>
> We feel a strong bond with this animal
> and he is very eager to accept our love.
>
> So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
> I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
>
> His method worked for us.
>
> I don't know if it would have been quite
> as effective if we had tried another method first.
>
> Florence
>
> To: Jerry Howe
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
> WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAI
>
> Sunshine is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog
> today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
> came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
> of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even
> seemed to think about going off-reacting. I would
> love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
> the site--please send the address--
>
> The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
> -Sunshine come goodboy.
>
> From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
>
> The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
>
> I have studied canine behavior and dog training
> for years. I have a huge library that covers
> every system of training.
>
> The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
> Training Method is by far the most scientific,
> the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
> and the most effective training method yet
> discovered.
>
> It is not an assortment of training tips and
> tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
> Every behavior problem and every obedience
> skill is treated in the same logically
> consistent manner.
>
> Please study his manual carefully. Please
> endeavor to understand the basis of his system
> and please follow his directions exactly. His
> manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
> theory, with explanation, with detailed
> descriptions about why behavior problems occur
> and how their solution should be approached.
>
> One should not pick and choose from among his
> methods based upon what you personally like or
> dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a
> complete and integrated system for not only
> training a dog but for raising a loving
> companion.
>
> When I once said to Jerry that his system
> creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
> response was that it produces for your dog the
> owner of his dreams.
>
> You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
> gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
> with you, if you praise your dog every time he
> looks at you, then you will become the center
> of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
> distraction with praise, then it takes
> just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
> your dog to not misbehave (even in your
> absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
> my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
> clip his nails).
>
> Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
> distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
> it takes just minutes to train you dog to
> respond to your commands.
>
> What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
> old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
> legs would carry him in response to my recall
> command-and he comes running every time I call
> no matter where we are or what he is doing.
>
> At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
> upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
> exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
> exercises.
>
> Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
> if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
> you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
> response is to oppose you.
>
> Is Jerry a nut?
>
> It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
> is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
> person's ideas based upon their personality. As
> far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
> upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
> hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
> or hurting dogs.
>
> More than that, he knows that force is not
> effective and that it will certainly lead to
> behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
> that people put their dogs down because of those
> problems.
>
> I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
> control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
> We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
>
> Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
> scientific literature it is referred to
> allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
> to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
>
> Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
> wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
> praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
> anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
> problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
>
> Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
> Training Method as a scientific principle just as
> you would the law of gravity and you will have
> astounding success.
>
> Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
>
> If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
> sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
> get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
> --Larry
>
> > and the rest will just go into animal control anyway.
>
> PERHAPS NOT if folks LEARNED HOWE to pupperly
> handle raise and train the innocent defenseless
> critters our veterinarians and trainers tell us
> to LOCK IN BOXES and IGNORE THEIR CRIES and offer
> toys to diminish their mouthing and biting BONDING
> EFFORTS and shock choke and spray them in the face
> with aversives:
>
> "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
> Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
> lynn.
>
> "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
> just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
> we need to crate train a dog immediately because
> they are usually in need of medical care and they
> are in foster homes with other dogs.
>
> It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>
> - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>
> Lynn K.
>
> > thanks in advance
>
> NOT SO FAST. HERE'S HOWE COME the SHELTER IS FULL:
>
> "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
> Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
> Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
> Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
> LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
>
> "This Article Is Something We've Put Together
> For SF GSD Rescue
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
> Date: 1999/11/20
>
> ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
>
> Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
>
> "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
> forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
> better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
> this situation.
>
> Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
> should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
> to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
> take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
> time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
> whatever other reward system was being used."
>
> 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
> Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
> works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
> dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
> you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
> walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
> why you have the dog muzzled).
>
> If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
> cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
> voice and the collar.
>
> This is important - the correction must be physically
> very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
> to be corrected at all)."
>
> "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
> one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
> schedules and duties causes a great deal of
> scheduling overhead.
>
> And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
> volunteers get the meaningful experience that
> they work for.
>
> Someone has to be responsible for that
> Volunteer Program, and it is best done
> by a non-volunteer."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ------------------------------­---
>
> "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
> every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
> effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
> older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
>
> Should I have refused to groom them?
>
> Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
> had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
>
> I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
> beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
> you'd be singing a different tune?
>
> "Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
> put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
> for the trash company to come and dispose of.
>
> No different tune," ~Emily
>
> "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
> I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
> tech at our local shelter for a while, and
> I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
> animals.
>
> This however has nothing at all to do with
> responsible breeders, because responsible
> breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
> Mustang Sally.
>
> "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
> Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
> Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
> Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," racetrack silly.
>
> Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
> <news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
>
> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> quotes are true.
>
> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> making those calls.
>
> In your post above, you state you do not
> make those calls.
>
> Which one is it?
>
> ------------------------------­------
>
> "Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...
>
> Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
> prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
> intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
> with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
> intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
> own dogs and their reactions better than someone
> who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
>
> I'm starting to see some similarities here.
>
> Sally Hennessey
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
> Subject: Re: shock collars
>
> Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...
>
> Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
> this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
> in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
> same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
> corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
> not mean that such dogs do not exist.
>
> What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
> as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
> thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
>
> I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
> of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
> and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.
>
> I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
> people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
> Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
> you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
> (at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
> your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
> guys talk about over there) means that you are an
> ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
> further notice.
> Sally Hennessey
>
> "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
> Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
> Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
> Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
> The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
> mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
>
> You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
> MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
>
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> > He was next to me and I could see his neck
> > muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
>
> > Janet Boss
> "sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> > "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
>
> > > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > > dog like a Lab.
>
> An INSENSITIVE DOG???
>
> THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT.
>
> HERE'S HOWE COME:
>
> WORDS OF WISDOM
> from our own Lynn Kosmakos
> 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
> For Twenty Years
>
> I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
>
> "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
> requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
> day.
>
> I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
> more, while happily sharing pertinent information
> I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
> I would hope that every other reader of this group
> would be rightfully outraged."
>
> "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
> the right to participate in by observing the
> easily understood rules and contributing to in
> constructive ways."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> As example of a contradiction in terms, Here's HOWER
> good professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into its
> face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
> reflection" dermer, our behaviorist from UofWisc,
> discussing RELATIONSHIPS and training:
>
> Marshall Dermer wrote:
> > In article <7mlbpo$h6...@fnord.io.com> tit...@io.com
> >(Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>
> > >Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> writes:
>
> > >> If [one] gets the dog to open his mouth by
> > >> itself it is not forcing the dog [...]?
>
> > > Selective editing, because I'm not at all
> > > interested in the "win- lose game" aspect
> > > you keep belabouring:
>
> > In the method I posted for training a retrieve,
> > it is true that I opened my dog's mouth and I
> > understand why compared to other methods, like
> > the one that accompanied my post by Diane Blackman,
> > people could describe what I did as using force.
> >
> > But again, from my standpoint, all behavior is
> > forced; from my standpoint volition is an illusion.
> >
> > As Cindy, cogently noted above, "force" is a difficult
> > concept to address.
>
> Yes, you might say it's painful for her, because
> it exposes her as a dog abusing Thug like yourself,
> professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > My point here is that any such discussion involves deep
> > philosophical and religious issues.
>
> Dogs don't have those issues, professor. They only know
> pleasure or pain, if that's what you offer them. We don't
> have to look to Plato or G-d, all we have to do is look
> on your local law books and see the definition they have
> for animal abuse.
>
> If hurting dogs is in there, then we got no freaking
> philosophical discussion. Hurting dogs is CRIMINAL
> BEHAVIOR, and knowing that, anyone hurting dogs would
> either be criminal or INSANE, or BOTH.
>
> Wouldn't you agree professor?
>
> > For any training procedure we should ask:
> > 1) effectiveness--does it work?
>
> My methods work like MAGICK, professor.
>
> > 2) efficiency--does it work quickly and with
> > minimal resources?
>
> No, professor. That's where my method fails. You've
> got to be bright enough to actually read the method
> or ask me for help, if you need any.
>
> > 3) relationship--does it strengthen or weaken
> > the extent our pet/friends will bond with us?
>
> I never angered a dog telling him he's a good boy.
>
> Well, "almost" never.
>
> > [That's why we try to almost always use positive
> > reinforcement rather than punishement.]
>
> Not me. Almost always, professor? Always. You're almost
> always a doubletalker, professor. . Never use any negative
> interaction with your dog if you want him to do every thing
> you ask.
>
> > Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always
> > considers 3) whereas we sceptics always consider
> > 1) and 2). ;-) --Marshall
>
> O.K. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton
> candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high
> wire act, performed without a safety net...
>
> Let's have a go at it, shall we? I'm going to explain
> a couple of things to you that I'd kind of like you
> to keep in mind, even though you probably won't
> understand what it is that I'm saying. Otherwise,
> you'd have understood by now. Ferstaisch? It would
> have been obvious to you, had you read my manual.
>
> Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic
> Box, always considers 3)" relationship--does it
> strengthen or weaken the extent our pet/friends will
> bond with us?
>
> Now let's discuss your SCRUFF SHAKE and Maxie
> The Magnificent Masturbator's OCD'S.
>
> SEE? SEE? SEE?
>
> HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
>
> Tee wrote:
> > "Janet Puistonen" <boxhill@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:tCgFe.13181$iR2.3656@trndny02...
> > >
> > > Tara, did you find it helped at all with the marking problem?
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!
>
> Shocking dogs is CRUEL and UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT
> and is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE for use on prisoners
> of war accordin to the Geneva Conventions.
>
> > No but then I didn't use it for correction purposes.
>
> Right. Wouldn't wanna GIVE CORRECTIONS on
> accHOWENT of THAT makes dogs GO INSANE.
>
> > We had two *training* sessions where I used the collar
>
> You mean you and your PROFESSIONAL SHOCK COLLAR trainer
> whom you was renting the thirty five levels of medical
> grade static like stimulation collars.
>
> > to reinforce commands Joe Joe knew
>
> Dogs ARE so WILLING to PLEASE, ain't they
> tara o. aka tee. Your pal Master Of Deception
> blankman was FEELIN BAD for the lack of
> consideration and personal caring which HIS
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
> teaches..., cold, even, she FEELS BADLY for
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs. Pass a tissue?
>
> > and obeyed.
>
> If you ASK he'll DO if he WANTS to.
>
> > I figured this would be the most helpful
> > in introducing him to this tool
>
> You mean, kinda like GREASIN HIM UP for a schtuppin.
>
> > since I was giving him things that he already knew
> > how to do so his success rate was very high.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
>
> HOWE abHOWET his garbage and C-HOWENTER surfin
> and all them other bad behaviors, did you get
> a chance to SUCCEED with any of thems? There
> was quite a list of bad behaviors you CAN live
> with, REMBMER?
>
> > He did fine,
>
> That so? You mean on the commands that he ordinarily
> does on accHOWENT of he knows them so well from rote.
>
> > I kept the sessions short and stopped when
> > it looked like he was done
>
> HOWE can you tell? Does a little timer pup HOWETA
> his butt like a Butter Ball Turkey tara o. aka tee?
> HOWE HOT is DONE for a 67 P-HOWEND Boxer Rescue Dog?
>
> Have you had him on the scale lately? He could
> stand to have his ribs a little covered. Ooops!
> Sorry, almost FORGOT abHOWET your obsessive
> compulsive eatin disorders...
>
> > and made sure to end on a positive note.
>
> Do tell? They got a whistle that goes off like a teapot?
>
> > Unfortunately though he seemed slightly depressed (mopey)
>
> Naaah? You mean kinda like HOWE your SHELTER / RESCUE /
> FOSTER care pal cindi done to her dog Buck when she went
> HOWET to "TRAIN" with him? Buck shook like a BHOWEL of
> Jello for three days and DIDN'T learn what she went to
> BURN HIM FOR. I think it was a difficult come command
> and the stand command for which FRAUDreck strapped the
> shock collar to Buck's bell and BURNED HIM to make him
> stand on command.
>
> That's abHOWET the EZiest command to teach
> a dog tara o.aka tee.
>
> > after each session
>
> And you wasn't even usin it for CORRECTIONS?
>
> > and while this state didn't last long
>
> Yeah... LUCKY THING The Amazing Puppy Wizard isn't
> SENSITIVE to dog's FEELINS like HOWE your pal Master
> Of Deception blankman was just tellin The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard's new Student DaveR since his DOCILE
> new puppy WENT INSANE from bein locked in a box
> and CORRECTED by simply sayin NO! and takin stuff
> away and REWARDING it with a toy or treat and THEN
> his dog started obsessive compulsive SHITTIN ALL
> OVER his HOWES kinda like HOWE Joe Joe and professora
> melanie's dog Skeeter PISSES all over your HOWESES.
>
> CuriHOWES AIN'T IT HOWE MANY DOMINANCE PISSIN DOGS
> and OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION y'al are havin eh tara?
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> LET'S LOOK AN SEE WHO'S DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS
> and then LOOK AN SEE HOWE them dogs GOT THE SAME
> HANDLING METHODS to CURE those problmes.
>
> 1. suja, RESCUE / SHELTER VOLUNTEER. Opposite
> sex dog aggression on Khan, EXXXTREEEM
> anXXXIHOWESNESS with both, and shyness and
> fear aggression and Khan broke suja's arm
> boltin after a innocent critter on leash.
>
> 2. We got you, of curse with your ALPHALPHA BITCH
> Fancy who's always dominated with your permission
> EVERY Boxer Rescue Dog Of NC that you've FOSTERED
> and of curse your own DEAD DOG SUMMER whom you
> COULDN'T STOP HURTIN so you MURDERED her DESPITE
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard offered her a SAFE FREE
> HOWES FOREVER <{); ~ ) >
>
> 3. We got leah, who's POSTED CASE HISTORY of her
> dogs destroying EVERY THING and biting her five
> times and her STUDENT'S dogs murderin innocent
> DEAD DOGS in the park and her STUDENT'S BUNNY
>
> 4. We got culprit aka kelly who's OPPOSITE SEX
> dogs ATTACKED each other and MURDERED her seven
> THOWESAND dollar DEAD KAT two weeks after she
> started BURNIN them and the kat bought the farm
> when the MENTAL CASE FORGOT to put their SHOCK
> COLLARS ON and they GOT HER where kelly aka culprit
> HAD BEEN BAITING THEM with the kat calls to TRAIN
> THEM TO THE SHOCK COIN-TRAINMENT SYSTEM just like
> the TWO systems that janet boss overlooked when
> she MURDERED their little dog in her SHELTER on
> accHOWNT of he was grHOWELIN at visitors and she
> thought he'd KILL their grandkids on accHOWENT of
> he was HUMPIN THEM IN PLAY.
>
> 5. We got professora melaine with her DOMINANCE PISSER
> Skeeter who dogman sez NEEDS to be jerked and choked
> on her pronged spiked pinch choke collar and of curse
> Solo who's been IN TREATMENT at UofPA behavior clinic
> and on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for five years EXXXCEPT
> that summer he was boarded when she went to EU with
> EXXXCEPTION of his attack on that kennel worker the first
> week, but THEN he was takin off his MEDICATION and WAS
> NORMAL, GOOD, PERFECT until a couple days after she retuned
> AND HE WENT NUTS AGAIN.
>
> 6. We got Cubbe who TRIED to attack two children she'd
> been playin with till they stepped into her SHOCK
> ZONE but not to worry, Cubbe DID BITE her ONLY friend.
> And of curse, Cubbe has a surrHOWEND shock system
> and needs to be walked on her PRONG and attacks other
> OPPOSITE SEX OLDER DOGS...
>
> Strange, strange, strange behavior for RESCUE DOGS.
> You'd think the little snots would be GRATEFUL!
>
> > I didn't want to continue in that vein
>
> You mean being incompetent or hurtin your dog? OR BOTH?
>
> > if it was going to leave a negative impression with him.
>
> Naaah, dogs are RESILLIANT and FORGIVIN. Like Summer.
> Oooops! Almost FORGOT. YOU MURDERED HER for FEAR aggression
> towards SMALL CHILDREN despite she was RAISED WITH WON.
>
> > The marking has gone back down to a here & there thing
>
> That so? S-HOWENDS like your shock collar trainin
> was working HOWE COME would you stop? THAT'S often
> HOWE COME people fail to train their dogs and have
> to GIVE THEM THE NEEDLE like when Robert Crim didn't
> wanna HURT his DEAD DOG Fritz noMOORE and MURDERED
> HIM JUST LIKE HOWE you done your own DEAD Boxer
> Rescue dog Summer.
>
> > and interestingly
>
> VERY. Don't you REMEMBER dogman TELLIN Robert to
> FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS in his koehler book? You
> got to TAKE CHARGE and USE THE TOOLS G-D gave you~!
> well, RENTEED. And PAID a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER to
> HEELP you HURT your dog NOT ENOUGH.
>
> BWEEEEEAAAHAHHAHAAA!!!
>
> > enough I've noticed an increase in squatting behavior.
>
> Perhaps he's SICK? Better take him to the vet, eh?
> leah took Madigan to the vet for the same problem
> and got her on antibiotics with NO MEDICAL PROBEM
> just to satisfy her in case IT was comin DHOWEN
> with a POTENTIAL UTI.
>
> You beginin to see a pattern?
>
> > Maybe its coincidence
>
> NUTHIN HAPPENS BY COINCIDENCE EXXXEPT TRAINING
> when you use fear force intimidation avoidance
> bribery physical rewards withholding attention
> and afection and crating on accHOWENT of PUNISHMENT
> DERRANGES BEHAVIOR and makes it DIFFICULT to TRAIN.
>
> > or maybe my use of heavy praise for squatting and
> > ceasing praise for leg lifing has something to do
> > with it.
>
> Have you been RESTRICTING HIS WATER and LOCKIN IT IN
> THE BOX to HEELP HIM DO GOOD THINGS and AVOID BAD?
>
> > He still marks the hell out of my flowers and bushes
>
> You could EXXXTINGUISH THAT in a couple repetitoins.
>
> TRY IT. You'll SEE.
>
> > but he seems more inclined to squat when
> > I command him to "go potty."
>
> Could be SUBMISSIVE URINATION.
>
> > While this seems like good news
>
> Praise UNTO HIM!
>
> > I've unfortunately noted some other things that
> > still support adopting him to another home.
>
> You mean GETTIN RID of the PROBLEM.
>
> > He spent the better part of last week
> > keeping to himself in his crate.
>
> SHAAAAZZZAAAMMM!
>
> THAT'S HOWE COME his HOWES PISSIN went
> DHOWEN "for the better part."
>
> BWEEEEEEAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> > He and Fancy kept their distance
>
> Kinda like a Mexican Standoff.
>
> > willingly
>
> They're OPPOSITE SEX... THINK ABHOWET IT.
>
> Ooops! They AIN'T REALL opposite as they've
> both been inapupriately unnecessarily surgically
> sexually MUTILATED which MAKES CRITTERS FEARFUL.
>
> Case in point, an Arab Stallion, neutered at
> five years of age, TURNED SPOOKEY at NUTIHIN
> on the trails and was dangerHOWES to ride on
> accHOWENT of he'd GO OFF sideways and doin
> other PAINIC behaviors.
>
> Took TWO SESSIONS to EXXXTINGUISH the behavior.
>
> IN FACT, it was the SECOND SESSION that The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard SAID "It'd be nice if
> you can find a SUMPTHIN that you KNOW will
> spook him and set it HOWET on the trail to
> PROOF him... and as we made a "blind turn"
> abHOWET twenty feet DHOWEN the road was a
> BIG RED and WHITE newspaper vending machine
> type containers that SHOULD HAVE DROVE HIM
> NUTS. He DIDN'T EVEN LOOK. Didn't break stride.
> DIDN'T CARE. A few minutes later a big old
> TORTIS came HOWET and sauntered along the
> trail as was his family a bit up the road,
> things WE KNOW had SPOOKED him pryor.
>
> We trained him JUST LIKE it sez in your
> own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
> FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
>
> ASK ANYWON.
>
> > and each seemed to go out of their way to avoid the other.
>
> RIGHT. THAT'S FEAR BEHAVIOR. THAT'S NOT NORMAL...
> UNLESS YOU WANT THAT BEHAVIOR TO BE NORMAL.
>
> > Fancy has started blatantly challenging him
>
> TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.
>
> Yannow sumpthin tara o. aka tee? Much as
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard LOVES TO BE CRUEL
> HE HATES sayin I TOLD YOU SO AGAIN and AGAIN.
>
> AND AGAIN.
>
> > when inside the house
>
> WHO'S HOWES? WHO SETS THE RULES? Hmmm?
>
> TOLD YOU SO AGAIN.
>
> > and I've seen one more dog fight.
>
> Duh-Oh?
>
> OPPOSITE SEX AGGRESSION IS UNHEARD OF IN NATURE.
>
> PUNISHMENT DERRANGES BEHAVIOR.
>
> ALPHA THINKING CHALLENGES and PROVOKES.
>
> CORRECTIONS and SCOLDING and WARNINGS TO BEHAVE
> AND THREATENING MAKE DOGS THINK YOU'RE GANGING
> UP ON WON of 'm and TEACHES THEM TO CORRECT
> OTHERS.
>
> > Today they are best friends
>
> Kinda like that submissive behavor?
>
> > but yesterday they were merely housemates
>
> Till the FIGHT. Then they GET SUBMISSIVE
> till their ANXXXIHOWESNESS goes up and
> sumpthin SPOOKS EM and they GO OFF as
> you stand there SCREAMIN and thowin the
> hose on them in the yard where you SET
> THAT UP so your BITCH Fancy can TRAIN
> the NEW DOGS FOR YOU JUST LIKE HOWE siFOOL
> wanted to do for his dog that is ATTACKIN
> HIM for WITHOLDING HIS RAWHIDE.
>
> Of curse his POSTED CASE HISTORY of SCRUFF
> SHAKING and otherWIZE ABUSIN HIS DOG on
> accHOWENT of HE READ A RELIABLE SOURCE
> TEACHIN SCRUFF SHAKIN...
>
> So his dog TURNED ON HIM JUST LIKE HOWE
> janet boss's STUDENT from RIGHT HERE<
> newssa's dogs WOULDN'T HOWEsbreak for
> THREE YEARS and TURNED ON HER to boot
> thanks to janet and sinofabitch SHOCKIN
> and JERKING and CHOKING them AFTER they
> DESTROYED HER HOWES like leah's dog done.
>
> > and who knows what tomorrow will bring?
>
> You REALLY REALLY REALLY WANNA KNOW,
> tara o. aka tee? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAA!!!
>
> CuriHOWES you gave the answer pryor to
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard ASKED. Request
> DENIED. It shall remain a SECRET just
> a tad bit longer, be patient, The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard got over forty years INVESTED
> IN PUTTIN YOU and YOUR ILK HOWETA THIS BUSINESS.
>
> Oooops! The Amazing Puppy Wizard BLEW HIS SURPRISE.
>
> NO PROBLEMO. JUST BE PATIENT. Think SACRIFICE.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!
>
> NHOWE THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA? We'll SACRIFICE
> the DOG LOVERS to make a statement to the world,
> it'll be a CULT thing, like tommy and the girls
> are always sain there AIN'T NO CABAL.
>
> Well, the SURPRISE is HOWETA the bag, so The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard might as well SPILL THE
> BEANS and let you know there IS a CABAL.
>
> IT'S REAL. IT'S TRUE. And IT AIN'T JUST The
> Amazing Puppy Wizard who SEES IT, dog lovers.
>
> > Joe Joe is a perfect fit for the humans in the house
>
> So long as you GREASE HIM UP, tara o. aka tee.
>
> > and I believe he'd find himself happy here without Fancy.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
>
> Till you DRIVE HIM INSANE JUST LIKE HOWE you done
> your FIRST DEAD Boxer Rescue Dog Summer.
>
> > Since Fancy *is* here and its her home too
>
> Well then, just train them to share an share alike.
>
> > I just think this is a sad case of right dog,
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has NEVER SEEN the WRONG DOG.
>
> > wrong home.
>
> INDEEDY. That's the BHOWE on the SURPRISE.
>
> > I believe
>
> Allelujia!
>
> Think PINK Kool-Aid. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> always looks luschiHOWES in PINK.
>
> > there's a better match for him out there,
>
> Please tara o. aka tee, The Amazing Puppy
> Wizard has been stickin it to you bums BIG
> TIME and sayin sumpthing like THAT is as true
> as when your pal FRAUDreck sez "if they knew
> anything abHOWET TRAININ THEY WOULDN'T NEED
> TO CALL HIM" on the radio SHOWE where the
> 12 y.o. boy asked HOWE to train his little
> Chihuahua to DHOWEN.
>
> FRAUDreck told him to HIRE a trainer.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> Check it HOWET.
>
> Go to his website. ASK FRAUDreck for ADVICE.
>
> He'll tell you he's like a DOCTOR and he
> can't DIAGNOSE on the WWW BWEEEEAHAHAA!!!
>
> Then ask him HOWE did he REALLY do with
> cindi and buck there stories DIFFERED a
> bit after a little QUESTIONING from Jerry
> HOWE.
>
> > one without another dog to compete with,
>
> Hey? Suppose SUMPTHIN CHANGES? Like maybe
> a kid returns with their own dog, that'd
> mean someWON ELSE got to FIND A NEW HOWES.
>
> You CANNOT DO THAT to dogs. You shuffle
> them arHOWEND to suit the needs and desire
> of all the SUCKERS you take advantage of
> and short shrift the dogs by failing to
> train them FROM THE GIT GO so you don't
> have to TAKE THEM IN for a WEE BIT OF MONEY
> and SELL THEM AGAIN as ADOPTIONS, TAX DED.
> to boot, eh tara o. aka tee?
>
> You suppose that a organization NETWORKING
> THAT KINDA SCAM is covered by the RICCO act?
> IT'S CRIMINAL what you bums are DOIN BY YOUR
> OWN WRITTEN WORDS.
>
> The STATISTICS are TOO CONSISTENT to be LUCK.
>
> > who will fall
>
> The WHOWEL doGgamenedbunchofya together
> in WON FELL SWOOP <{); ~ ) >
>
> Hey? Any of you sympathetic types seen
> eddie w of PET LOSS DOT COIN lately?
> Tell him lightenin strike was lookin
> for him...
>
> > head over heels
>
> Naaaa, MOORE LIKE A ROCK...
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAAA!!!
>
> > for him
>
> HOWE could WON NOT? He WAS PERFECT.
> Well, close, if you can tolerate a
> few typical Boxer habits.
>
> > just as everyone else who knows him has done.
>
> EXXXCEPT YOUR DOG. You called her your ALPHA BITCH.
>
> YOU SEZ IT IS SHE who TRAINS ALL YOUR NEW DOGS
> as is OFTEN RECOMMENDED here abHOWETS.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't approve of
> allHOWEING the dogs to SET THEIR PECKIN ORDER
> HE TEACHES THEM to BE TRUSTING FRIENDS by simply
> NOT DOIN NUTHIN LIKE HOWE YOU DO IT AGAIN AND
> AGAIN AND AGAIN.
>
> So? What's tommorow gonna bring?
>
> > --
> > Tara
>
> ALL DEPENDS ON WHICH END OF THE PISSER YOU'RE ON,
> tara o. aka tee, Boxer Rescue Of NC <{); ~ ) >
>
> "Only the unenlightened speak of
> wisdom and right action
> as separate, not the wise.
>
> If any man knows one,
> he enjoys the fruit of both.
>
> The level which is reached by wisdom
> is attained
> through right action as well.
>
> He who perceives that the two are one
> knows the truth."
>
> "Even the wise man acts in character
> with his nature,
> indeed all creatures act
> according to their natures.
>
> What is the use of compulsion then?
>
> The love and hate which are aroused
> by the objects of sense
> arise from Nature,
> do not yield to them.
>
> They only obstruct the path." -
> -
> Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
> Krishna with permission from
> His FREE copy of The Puppy
> Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.
>
> ALL Critters Only Respond In
> PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
> INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
> To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
> Which We Create For Them.
>
> Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
> We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
> And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>
> In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
> FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
> SAME SAME SAME SAME,
> For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
>
> The ROCK. Born Of A Virgin. Crucified For His Sins.
>
> "Born Of A Virgin?"
> Mental Illness,
> Ethical Breeding & BehaviorISM
>
> HOWEDY People,
>
> Mental illness runs rampant within families:
>
> HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,
>
> "Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:cda6a8$8nl$1@uwm.edu...
>
> > In article <Fri9527C06A5DBF3australianshepher...@rocky-dog.com>
> Rocky 2...@rocky-dog.com, writes:
> > >Marshall Dermer said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>
> > >> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my
> > >> mentally ill mother
>
> Any ETHICKAL breeder would DISCONTINUE
> the DEFECTIVE LINE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > >> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
> > >> When the doctor completed the examination,
> > >> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
> > >> herself to be a virgin!
>
> Many breeders, especially when dealing with
> temperaMENTAL bitches rely on artificial insemination.
>
> > >> Now if my Jewish, biological mother reported
> > >> herself to be a virgin than what might this make
> > >> me? :-)
>
> An artificial breeding EXXXPERIMENT?
>
> The remainin choices ain't all that appealin, professor.
>
> > >Heh.
>
> Heh heh.
>
> > > Maybe it's time you visited one of
> > > those links listed in my header.
>
> Heh. Maybe it's time for you lying dog abusing
> punk thug cowards to find your own PRIVATE
> list where you can hurt dogs and lie abHOWET
> it all you like withHOWET fear of The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING MOCKING and
> RIDICULING your "methods" by QUOTING you.
>
> > Hm...if I were the Moshiach (Hebrew for "the
> > anointed one")
>
> You mean, bein a non believing jew who PREYS
> like HEEL when he was SICK and DYING, born
> of a lying whore, or a MENTAL CASE, on accHOWENT
> of as a SCIENTIST you CANNOT BELIEVE in G-D,
> therefore your PREYIN was DEFECTIVE, likeWIZE,
> therefore, a VIRGIN BIRTH would necessarily be only
> ANOTHER LIE or a psychotic break from reality.
>
> You figger HOWET what THAT would make you, professor.
>
> > then I would have "cleaned up" this world.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
> your WORK and EXXXPOSED you as a lying dog
> abusing FRAUD, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > As for folks believing they are the Messiah
>
> Or a SCIENTIST not believing that MENTAL
> ILLNESS is EITHER hereditary or environMENTAL...
> IOW, ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAIVOR, professor
> SCRUFF SHAKE.
>
> > (or Jesus in the case of Christians),
>
> Or perhaps The Amazing Puppy Wizard for those
> non believers amongst us, particularly SCIENTISTS
> who've been PROVEN FRAUDS, professor.
>
> > a classic study of three people who claimed to
> > be Jesus is introduced here:
>
> <snip link>
>
> A classic study of a lying dog abusing punk
> thug fraud behaviorist is introduced here...
>
> > This is good too, especially the song at the end.
>
> The SONG at the end is a FUNeral dirge, professor.
>
> > Kol tuv, (all that is good,)
>
> INDEED, professor. ALL IS GOOD.
>
> > --Marshall
>
> ESPECIALLY if you're DIVINE.
>
> But it ain't over till The Fat Lady sings.
>
> Hark! Methinks The Amazing Puppy Wizard
> hears her warming up right NHOWE:
>
> "If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
> Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
> Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
>
> Hello Jenn,
>
> "brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message
>
> news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...
>
> > Hello Jerry,
> > I just wanted to let you know that I am
> > trying this right now.
>
> Good.
>
> > I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> > ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> > pinch collar.
>
> I recall.
>
> > She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> > We have been doing this technique you
> > recommend for about a half an hour now
> > and the results are already fantastic, as
> > well as amusing!
>
> Yeah, dog training should always be more
> fun than work.
>
> > At first, we went out and I stood there,
> > and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> > sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> > and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> > your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
>
> It's the same principle as in the Hot And
> Cold Exercise.
>
> > I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> > but we came in after about 30 seconds. She