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Z
2005-09-17 20:47:28 EST
just got a dog the other day - Lab/German Pointer Cross - He is neutered and
all that, but pees like a girl dog! what the heck! - nope - no lifting the
leg - instead a lazy female dog like squat! strange - whats up with that!?
Also, I read the dog may have soft stool for a few days after moving into a
new home - Big piles of yellow sticky gunk! how long does this last? (its
soooooooo freaking gross!)

thanks



Ruth
2005-09-18 06:40:13 EST
<< just got a dog the other day - Lab/German Pointer Cross>>

alot of male dogs don't life their leg. i wouldn't worry about it. two
questions:

1. how old is he
2. what are you feeding him

--
Ruth, Greta, Woody & Thelma
"Z" <zigt@mts.net> wrote in message
news:wO2Xe.4270$qP3.44499@news1.mts.net...
> He is neutered and all that, but pees like a girl dog! what the heck! -
> nope - no lifting the leg - instead a lazy female dog like squat!
> strange - whats up with that!? Also, I read the dog may have soft stool
> for a few days after moving into a new home - Big piles of yellow sticky
> gunk! how long does this last? (its soooooooo freaking gross!)
>
> thanks
>



A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog
2005-09-20 19:09:05 EST
HOWEDY Z,

Z wrote:
> just got a dog the other day -

Congradulations!

> Lab/German Pointer Cross - He is neutered
> and all that, but pees like a girl dog!

That's normal. Leg lifting is a learned / acquired trait.

> what the heck! -

No problem.

> nope - no lifting the leg - instead a lazy female dog like squat!

That's irrelevent.

> strange - whats up with that!?

Dogs lift their leg to avoid splashing and "diaper rash".

> Also, I read the dog may have soft stool for a
> few days after moving into a new home - Big piles
> of yellow sticky gunk! how long does this last?
> (its soooooooo freaking gross!)

Yeah, that's from a change in diet or water.

I'll give you an excellent homemade diet recipe
and free comprehensive training manual:


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Save your hard earned dough and feed
your dog sumpthin you'd eat:

Breakfast At The Puppy Wizard's -
Chez du Chien - Gourmet Recipies

Here's HOWE The Puppy Wizard feeds his dogs:

HOWEDY People,

Unbeknownst to yourselves, this has been a difficult
couple weeks for Your Puppy Wizard. Not to complain,
but he's been necessarily temporarily abandoned by
his Mrs.Puppy Wizard who had to attend to affairs out
of town for nine days.

Left alone, helpless and hapless to cope with domestic
and personal needs, to fend for HISSELF and his pups by
his own devices, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard HOWEver, is
considerate and foresighted enough to prepare His table
before him, in advance, and even calls to remind him to
breath, when necessary.

Your Puppy Wizard requires little from the physical realm,
existing primarily on prahana and nirvana as his staple diet.

HOWEver, HIS puppies unfortunately cannot thrive in the
physical world without the grounding effects of the evils
of wholesome food.

Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares daily, fresh, well balanced
HOWES cooked meals. When Mrs. Puppy Wizard travels
occasionally, she prepares for the days of lean in advance,
by freezing two weeks worth of puppy chow and posting the
culinary instructions on the Puppy Wizard's coffee can, the
only physical need The Puppy Wizard requires, beyond his
internet connection and of course, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard
and puppies. But those are givens, naturally.

Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares 2 meals a day. The following
recipe is for about a 100 pound dog:

Breakfast is half pound raw ground turkey, green
Source, and 1gram vitamin C, and a *Iams cookie
*(cause she LIKES to).

Dinner is 2 cups cooked rice, a tablespoon of rolled
oats and an ounce of hamburg. When the rice and oats
cool, add half cup pinto or similar beans, ground fine in
the food processor with equal amounts raw collard or
similar greens or your dog's favorite vegetable or
cabbage, a tablespoon or two Olive or Cannola oil,
half clove garlic, mixed with 1/2 pound raw ground
turkey, a good vitamin / mineral supplement (Green
Source for People), calcium and magnesium, 1 gram
vitamin C.

Addition of table scraps is encouraged, bear in mind
salt can be dangerous. The Puppy Wizard's diet is
environmentally friendly and will not produce noxious
gasses provided the vegetable and beans are ground
finely and because the Green Source contains digestive
enzmyes.

BONE APETITE!

> thanks

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywizard@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine


"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.

I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.

The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!

Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.

He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.

I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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REWARD / PUNISHMENT

Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).

MIMICRY, PLAY, EXPLORATION AND
THE NEED FOR DATA

Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY
through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than
by trial and error with reinforcemet (Luchins,).
Observers of subjects making a first trial of a multiple
choice bolt head maze made fewer errors than the
practiced subjects in the second run, while subjects
who have been shocked for error on a first trial made
more errors than either (Rosenbaum & Hewitt, 1966).
Students will modify their beliefs more when rewarded
for the way in which they carried out arguing for a
disagreeable position (role reward), than when rewarded
for the content of the argument (Wallace, 1966).
======================

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Animal Behavior Forensic
Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092


Sunny
2005-09-20 19:23:16 EST

"A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog" <AtHisMastersFeet@MuchoMail.Com> wrote in
message news:1127257744.953842.246740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
Any reason "aus.politics" has suddenly been included in your "animal"
discussions ?
(aus.politics deleted)



A*@HushMail.Com
2005-09-20 20:25:50 EST
HOWEDY Sunny,

Sunny wrote:
> "A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog" <AtHisMastersFeet@MuchoMail.Com> wrote in
> message news:1127257744.953842.246740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> <snip>
> Any reason "aus.politics" has suddenly been
> included in your "animal" discussions ?
> ( deleted)

INDEEDY. We've been talking about abuse of
authority corruption and fraud in the RAAF
K-9 Corps by grant teeboon:

"Current Duties My duties at the Military Working
Dog Training Flight at RAAF Amberley (Brisbane)
are many and varied. I am currently the Senior
Non Commissioned Officer In Charge of Military
Working Dog Husbandry.

# 23 years service as a Police Dog Handler with
the Royal Australian Air Force. # 8 Years as an
Instructor at the RAAFs Police Dog Handler Training
School."

The following will open your eyes to
who is misapupriateing your MONEY and
PRIVATIZATION of RAAF pupperty:

Subject: Fraud In Government?

HOWEDY grant aka pawman,

Pawman wrote:
> The Piss Wizard wrote:

> HOWEDY grant teeboon aka pawman, RAAF K-9
> INSTRUCTOR / BREEDING PROGRAM Director,

> Seems the fruit don't fall far from the doGgamened
> fruitcake, eh grant? Same arguments, same failure
> rate, same EXXXCUSES, same unwillingness to TALK
> BUSINESS, grant. THAT'S HOWE COME you're soon to
> be INDICTED for FRAUD and misapupriation of gov't
> funds and pupperty:

> Grant replies:

> Jerry, you have my job title totally wrong,

Tsk, tsk, shame shame on ME!

> Alpha wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > what is it I have some interesting pics of
> > our dogs from the RAAF worth $27,000 thats
> > 9k each

I noticed the three dogs are straining on their choke collars.

> > From the second article, a quote from Sergeant
> > Grant Teeboon, referring to 3 failed dogs:
> > "They're a fruit loop dog -- they're hyperactive."

That's a PREDICTABLE RESULT of allowing
the dog to be choked and using so called
corrections.

The fruit loop is the "trainer" who makes
excuses for his inability and hurts and
intimidates to train a dog.

Hyperactivity is CAUSED BY INEFFECTIVE INAPPROPRIATE
TRAINING AND HANDLING, the same reason lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn ruined her selectively bred hand picked
and tested sar flunkout Jive, cause she couldn't HURT
IT ENOUGH to make him work on a RL SAR job.

> which again shows that you have no concept
> of what I really do.

So, you're sayin you AIN'T a K-9 INSTRUCTOR in charge
of the breeding / procurement program for RAAF?:

"Current Duties My duties at the Military Working
Dog Training Flight at RAAF Amberley (Brisbane)
are many and varied. I am currently the Senior
Non Commissioned Officer In Charge of Military
Working Dog Husbandry.

# 23 years service as a Police Dog Handler with
the Royal Australian Air Force. # 8 Years as an
Instructor at the RAAFs Police Dog Handler Training
School."

PERHAPS I used TOO MANY WORDS, eh grant?

> The reason that you are getting the same
> arguements and the same logical replies

You've yet to engage in any "arguments" or
logical replies because you're GUILTY AS SIN
of FRAUD and misapupriation of pupperty and
funds AS CHARGED, grant.

Now you're even DENYING your own "title".

You're nuthin but a DOG ABUSING CROOK, grant.

> now that you got from our previous exchanges
> in the past is simple.....

All you've done in the past was REFUSE to TALK
BUSINESS and intstead launch unsubstantiated
attacks on me personally as your ONLY DEFENSE.

Try to attack my WORK, grant. YOU CAN'T. Yeah,
I might be crude and INSULTING when dealing with
liars dog abusers cowards mental cases and thieves,
but that don't SAY NUTHIN about my 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE TRAINING METHODS
which you've yet to ATTACK.

Here's my manual:

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CHOKE ME WITH IT AS YOU WOULD AN OBSTINATE
PUPPY JUMPIN UP and MOUTHING TO SAY "HOWEDY!".

> I'm talking to the same idiot now as I was then.

Let's TALK about your FRAUDULENT BUSINESS, dog abuser:

Date: Sun, Mar 30 2003
Subject: Belgian Malinois FOR SALE

6 Malinois for sale 1 Male 5 Females, as supplied
to the RAAF, due to the war all purchases by the
military are on hold, we therefore have these 8
week old pups to offer at $300.00 each.

Suitable for Secueiry, Agility, Obedience, Search &
Rescue, Tracking and all dog sports, these dogs are
fully imprinted with no vices, scared of nothing, not
shy or nervouse very fast recovery all have good hunt
and prey drives, full mouth and hold bite.

Dave......

ps fully vaccinated and wormed can deliver Australia wide.

> You're a joke jerry,

You HURT and INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs, grant.
You defraud your own government to profit by it:

"Methods used by The Paw Man are classical conditioning
in the form of the Koehler method (pronounced 'keeler').
The Koehler method mimics mother nature in that it uses
a balanced mix of praise and aversives. The Koehler method
is used by 90% of all Police and Military Dog organisations
around the world. As The Paw Man specialises in dominant
and aggressive dogs, most of the methods employ some sort
of aversive to extinguish the unwanted behaviours. Pure
positive methods, although less efficient, can also be
supplied upon request."

> no professionals take any of your rantings seriously.

That so, grant? Let's see HOWE your government
accounting agencies FEEL when I ENLIGHTEN them
as to what's happening with the tens of thousands
of dollars they've been WASTING as a result of
your ignorance lies abuse of animals and your
authority and greed?:

Newsgroups: aus.pets
From: sillygal...@mail.com (jell)
Date: 8 Apr 2003 19:05:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Belgian Malinois FOR SALE

"Alpha" <sween...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> 6 Malinois for sale 1 Male 5 Females, as
> supplied to the RAAF,
>From what I understand, while they may have

taken one or two of your pups, at least one
of your pups had to be euthanised, yet another
died, and the rest of last year's litter (are
you REALLY breeding that bitch back to back
like that???)

you ended up trying to peddle on Ebay (which
is against their policies. I believe they shut
that auction down, did they not?)

This is NOT the track record of anyone I would
EVER buy a high drive breed from.

> due to the war all purchases by the military
> are on hold, we therefore have these 8 week old
> pups to offer at $300.00 each.

Since they didn't take the vast majority of your
pups last time, I highly doubt that the war has
anything to do with why you have a bunch of puppies
that you once again have absolutely no buyers lined
up for.

Is the mother of this litter that same rescue dog
from unkown lines that you used for your last one?

> Suitable for Secueiry, Agility, Obedience, Search &
> Rescue, Tracking and all dog sports, these dogs are
> fully imprinted with no vices, scared of nothing,
> not shy or nervouse very fast recovery all have good
> hunt and prey drives, full mouth and hold bite.

What was the washout rate on your last litter?

Every time someone tries to find that out, it seems
you stop posting for awhile....and I'm still really
curious.

Dogs aren't stable, healthy and "scared of nothing"
just because *you* say so. It takes a lot more than
than the word of a breeder with no information to
make a dog stable.

Jell

Newsgroups: aus.pets
From: "Alpha" <sween...@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:49:18 +1000
Subject: Re: Belgian Malinois FOR SALE

jell <sillygal...@mail.com> wrote in message

news:8b82a9ff.0304081805.1393db9e@posting.google.com...

> "Alpha" <sween...@bigpond.com> wrote in message

<news:I%Iha.3034$1s1.41356@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...

> > 6 Malinois for sale 1 Male 5 Females, as supplied to the RAAF,
> From what I understand, while they may have taken
> one or two of your pups, at least one of your pups
> had to be euthanised, yet another died, and the rest
> of last year's litter (are you REALLY breeding that
> bitch back to back like that???) you ended up trying
> to peddle on Ebay (which is against their policies.

> I believe they shut that auction down, did they not?)

You have me mistaken with Mr Rooney's pups from the
echo litter, my pups of the juliet litter 3 are still
in service and doing well, we donated one more male
pup from a totally different mating using an RAAF Bitch
again nothing like you suggest at all.

As far as Ebay is concerned I was not aware that it was
against their policies they took the add they were payed
for and did not stop it until concerns were raised, clearly
I did no wrong as you cast aspersions towards.

> This is NOT the track record of anyone I would EVER
> buy a high drive breed from.

Firstly who are you? a nameless person who does not
have a clue what I am doing, you are welcome to visit
me at any time please test my pups....

(That's the SAME ARGUMENT grant teeboon uses
to defend himself, ain't it, grant???)

> > due to the war all purchases by the military are
> > on hold, we therefore have these 8 week old pups
> > to offer at $300.00 each.
> Since they didn't take the vast majority of your
> pups last time, I highly doubt that the war has
> anything to do with why you have a bunch of puppies
> that you once again have absolutely no buyers lined up for.

You are not on the list therefore I will say the OIC
has put a halt to all K9 purchases intil sept this
year this was sent to me by Julie Herbert and Sgt
Teeboon RAAF MWDS since I deal directly with them
and you do not I can only surmize you are a tad
jealous of a newcomer doing what you cannot.

> Is the mother of this litter that same rescue dog
> from unkown lines that you used for your last one?

again you show your lack of respect, how can breeders
claim to know the lines of dogs after what I was told
about you so called owners of the breed, with your fake
pedigrees.

> > Suitable for Secueiry, Agility, Obedience, Search &
> > Rescue, Tracking and all dog sports, these dogs are
> > fully imprinted with no vices, scared of nothing, not
> > shy or nervouse very fast recovery all have good hunt
> > and prey drives, full mouth and hold bite.
> What was the washout rate on your last litter?
> Every time someone tries to find that out, it
> seems you stop posting for awhile....and I'm
> still really curious.

We hve successfully placed every dog.

> Dogs aren't stable, healthy and "scared of nothing"
> just because *you* say so. It takes a lot more than
> than the word of a breeder with no information to
> make a dog stable.

please come and test them, Gabby Hoffman has seen our
product, RAAF has them, 4 Security Officers have them
and the QLD Police will be testing this month.

please come and see them and prove me wrong, I bet
you wont come on the ball is in your court here is
my phone nember come and see then you can mouth off,
0408 380 566

At least I put my name to things your a nameless slimy
no one who is so big hiding on the internet, come to
my place and bring your friends discredit me or shut up.....

Oh and I have the certificate from the
RAAF thanking me for the pups........

==============

That "CERTIFICATE" would be signed by YOU, grant...
alpha is YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER, REMEMBER, grant?

"The Paw Mans qualifications include:
23 years service as a Police Dog Handler with the
Royal Australian Air Force. Click here to see a
photo of Grant with his last dog. 8 Years as an
Instructor at the RAAFs Police Dog Handler Training
School.

Methods used by The Paw Man are classical conditioning
in the form of the Koehler method (pronounced 'keeler').
The Koehler method mimics mother nature in that it uses
a balanced mix of praise and aversives."

> Regards,
> Grant 'The Paw Man' Teeboon
> Police Dog Handler - RAAF
> 26 yrs service.
> ICQ# 12854070

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different
Thresholds To Pain And Punishment, High
Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of
Correction To A Level Where The DOg Yelps
When You Punish Him, Thus Making The
Experience One Which The Dog Will Want To
Avoid In The Future."

HOWEDY People,

If "increasing punishment schedules" WORKED, we
wouldn't NEED "dog / child behavior forums" or
psychiatry, WOULD WE.

Well the facts are the facts no matter HOWE we
PREFER to rely on PUNISHMENT CYCLES instead of
pupperly handling raising and training our critters.

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME dogs and children RUN AWAY
or become aggressive shy fearful or mass murderers?

We call that allelomimetic behavior.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: gtb...@dynamite.com.au (Grant Teeboon)
Date: 1997/05/01
Subject: Re: HELP! PUPPY BITING HOW TO STOP IT?

> Jo,
> The correct solution to your problem is quite simple,
> you haven't yet established a 'reliable punishment
> cycle' for your dog.

In order to "reliably PUNISH" behaviors we must
be CONSISTENT in HURTING the offender EVERY TIME
he OFFENDS enough to STOP the BAD BEHAVIOR INSTANTLY.

That MEANS that as soon as the PUNISHER isn't able
to PUNISH the OFFENDER EVERY TIME enough to make him
STOP his BAD BEHAVIOR, that BAD BEHAVIOR will have
been VARIABLY REINFORCED.

Variable reinforcement of so called self rewarding
behaviors are the most difficult type of behavior
problems to rehabilitate because even a non verbal
child or puppy dog has the ability to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog trainer or parent.

> The complete explanation can be quite complex,

We've got PLENTY of time, grant. Please don't
feel as though you're infringing on our patience
or the generousity of the WWW's html to make your
point CLEAR so we as parents, dog and kat owners
won't make the deathly mistakes which lead our dogs
kats and children to foster homes or death dealing
SHELTERS and criminal / insane facilities or makes
mass murderers out of normal children and gets people
and dogs DEAD as the PREDICTABLE RESULT of failed
"PUNISHMENT CYCLES" mentality revered by EXXXPERT
trainers behaviorists and parents..

> but the shortened version is.. if you try to
> stop a dog doing something by punishing it

You mean, like barking mouthing and jumping to say HOWEDY.

> and the dogs behaviour does not diminish or
> extinguish then the level of punishment that
> you have administered is not high enough.

You mean, for jumping mouthing and barking
to say "HOWEDY", grant? LIKE THIS?:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

> All dogs just like people have there own different
> thresholds to pain and punishment,

INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has ZERO TOLERANCE
for animal / child abuse, grant. That's why we're here
TALKIN BUSINESS.

> just as some people have a high tolerance for criticism,

Sensitive dog lovers do seem to be intolerant of criticism.

> some dogs have a high tolerence for correction.

That means you got to HURT THEM somemore.

> You should escalate your correction

You mean pain fear force and intimidation, grant? I've
been doin that with you and you ilk and it has yet to
work despite HOWE MUCH PAIN and EMBARRASSMENT I've so
generously inflicted on you BY QUOTING YOUR OWN WORDS.

IN FACT, It only seems to derange you and your
ilk to perform even more abuses and inspires
you and your ilk to lie about it, grant.

> to a level where the dog yelps when you punish him,

OR IGNORES your infliction of pain fear force and
intimidation almost as if to say "I DEFY YOU TO HURT
ME ENOUGH to make me NOT WANT TO HURT OTHERS", like
you and your mentally ill pals here do, grant.

> thus making the experience one which the dog will
> want to avoid in the future.

You mean, like BONDING behavior and TALKIN BUSINESS, grant?

from Grant Teeboon, Police Dog Handler RAAF,
Canberra Australia. email: gtb...@dynamite.com.au

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Alpha" <sween...@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:30:34 +1000

Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

As usual freak you show very little knowledge
of dogs and handlers, you no doubt still line
bait dogs and say look how tough they are.

I breed train and work with very hard stable
dogs, and they are malinuts and rotts.

If the mallies are so piss weak why are they
the only dogs deployed O/S?

Why does the LAPD and most European special
Police Using them, why does Steve Dean breed
30% of mallies for the UK Police? Why are
they the top SAR dog in the world?

You really know your stuff, play with your
circus schtz animals give me real dogs that
protect pack first and themselves second......

As usual you show that the only way to debate
is to attack, so mate what is your credentials
in the dog world?

David Sweeney
Senior Training Instructor
Queensland K9 Search & Rescue
Supervisor Sharp Security
K9 Behaviourlist
Protection Dog Trainer
Workplace Trainer Asessor
etc.....

A real tough bastard

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Radio Freak" <SPAMscanner_fr...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:48:38 +1000

Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

Well obviously you forgot to mention that you also
received a donation of reject read... *REJECT*, NO
GOOD, NOT UP TO SPEED, USELESS Mals from the Defence
Force.

Useless in the respect that they wouldn't do the job
for the Air Force, not deployable, not trainable to
Air Force standard, isn't that right? Or did my eyes
deceive me when I saw your mug in the newspaper
receiving those dogs?

There is no way in gods earth that that you would
have got those dogs fur nothing if they were any
good. Admit it they are soft, only good for tracking,
if at all!

But that's right, you were only going to use them for
SAR work, sorry...What did I say about those mals being
soft?

They don't need to be hard for SAR work do they, huh?

You wouldn't be using them for protection work would
you, the Air Force wouldn't allow that now, would they.

Probably some contract that states that, huh?

Duty of care considerations from the ADO wouldn't
allow you to use them in a protection role, what
would the press say about an ex Air Force Dog biting
an individual?

If you know Mals then Mr Alpha EXPERT, you will no
doubt know of Danny Jandovich in Melb? Yeah? His
dogs were the only decent Mals I have worked with,
the rest are soft.

I still bare scars from his dogs. Very driven,
hard dogs, some of the best hitters I've ever
had the fortune to take on the suit! Danny had
a great 'Working Line', till others decided to
mess with his stock and fuck everything up, but
you knew that didn't you!

You will probably find that any decent Mal in
Australia has Danny's working line in them somewhere?

Even the Defence Force bought a load of dogs off
Danny, some failed, some were great, but not that many!

Secondly, Mals were not the only dogs to be deployed overseas.

Ask someone who knows, Mr Alpha EXPERT!

Shepherds were requested in Timor as the majority of
Mals were not aggressive enough to cut the mustard
with the militia over there. Sure they (Mals) were
deployed, but the ratio was more like 1 Mal per 10 Sheps.

Your credibility is diminishing here Mr Alpha EXPERT!

I never said that ALL MALS were shit, where did I
say this Mr Alpha EXPERT? KNPV certified Mals would
be the best in the World. Yes I agree that there
are some great Working Line mals out there, but most
*Protection* Mals in service here (AUS) are SHIT.

Where did I say I played in SCHUTZ,? I spoke about
a SCHUTZ Arm, but alas, your education regarding dogs
is obviously the same as your reasoning and comprehension
skills...Very miniscule.

My Quals..... Mate I have quals, yes REAL Nationally
Certified Quals that I earned by attending a course
of more than 15 weeks duration, where you only passed
if you cut the mustard, but you don't need to know of
those, well not in this news group anyway.

Lets just say I have done the job for real, not play
fetch with Mal Rover on some smelly construction site
in the middle of Coomera, or played find the sausage
in my foot print antics in Beaudesert.

You said..and I quote "As usual you show that the
only way to debate is to attack, so mate what is
your credentials in the dog world?" Shouldn't that
be what ARE your credentials?

Now lets talk of your quals shall we, Mr educated!

David Sweeney (Yep we all have names!!!!)

Senior Training Instructor (Boring, anyone can give
themselves a position if they own the company!)

Queensland K9 Search & Rescue (What Qual is this?
Again, you probably own the bloody firm!)

Supervisor Sharp Security (Is this a qual? Again,
another assumed position that requires no quals,
2 be up the boss, or to own the company!)

K9 Behaviourlist (Trained by whom? What course?
Or WHAT BOOK?, what Qual, cert. 3,4, Diploma of
what...K9 Psychology?)

Protection Dog Trainer (Taught by whom? What qual?
What National framework quals do you have, cert 3,
4, and of what?)

Workplace Trainer Asessor, (My god maybe a real cert.
4 here) Congratulations! But alas, four days in the
classroom, attendance course...what more can I say?

Very impressive quals my man. Now when you speak of
dog training, Malinois, Schutz, KNPV and the like,
please Mr Alpha EXPERT, please do your homework and
know your shit, cause when you make stuff up or assume
positions and call them quals you get caught out pretty
quickly, and this does nothing for your credibility.

Foos Alpha, Platz, good boy! Stay!

Come on now Alpha, just relax and stop taking the world
so god damned seriously, just veg like your prey driven
Mals...Heheheheh!

Oh and lastly, please use spell check, how hard is that?

Newsgroups: aus.services.emergency
From: "Barry Muller" <biteyoura...@spanker.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:53:39 +1000
Subject: Re: volunteers in Police Force; The Freak

Alpha,

I can assure you that "The Freak" as you like to call
him does know quite a bit about dogs-about being a
handler-and about using dogs in a law enforcement environment.

Whilst I work at the same place as radio freak, I don't
profess to hold any quals or have any experience in being
a Police Dog Handler- that's not what I do. However after
reading some of your rather comical posts it appears to me
that maybe you think you know a bit, but in all honesty you
don't!

I would just like to thank you for a good laugh! I haven't
laughed so much in a very long time.

And freak, I'm sure those contracts state something in
them about not using them for protection work.

SO to keep a good joke going......... ALPHA foos, platz.
ALPHA nein! stop licking your balls!

SPRINGERS FINAL THOUGHT: You are definitely a handler
ALPHA, so maybe you should get your hand off it hey!

Alpha Replies; Then you would be familiar with
Ch Swartzund Karlos ( TOBY ) well?

And for who, I am you need to ask Grant Teeboon and Steve Palmer..

----------------

Yeah, alpha sweeny is the bum grant teeboon diverts
his RAAF REJECT dogs to for his own foundation
breed stock in his sock puppett company.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn

"Training is not confrontation," lynn k.

<except when it is>

"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation."

Lynn K.

Subject: <BEFORE - "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous, No Good Charlatan,"

- AFTER> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile Crap At
The Hands Of Supposedly Adult Dog Lovers.

'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior,"

Robert Crim.

>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Mustang Sally"
I've read the thing (I refuse to call it a manual),
and I can tell you, based on experience with high
prey breeds, that "good boy" and "good girl" are
not particularly useful when redirecting high prey
drive.

Mustang Sally:
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message

news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com...

Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:23:46 +0100
Local: Mon, Apr 9 2001 5:23 am
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message

news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you,
Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
(at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
guys talk about over there) means that you are an
ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
further notice.
Sally Hennessey

From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:48:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fencing

It's astounding. We used livestock electric fence
at the bottom of our fence some years back because
of a certain digging husky with wanderlust. This
was fairly new electric fencing, the shock was mild,
said husky touched it any number of times, and I can
guarandamntee you it didn't do anything horrible to
her body or her mind.

If I live to be 100, I will never understand the
mentality of people who have no knowledge of a
subject but still feel free, apparently compelled
even, to opine on that subject.

When it's people in another country,
it's nothing short of mind-boggling.

Mustang Sally

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
> >> > keep posting the way you are.

O.K., thank you, dog lovers, will do:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn

"Training is not confrontation," lynn k.

<except when it is>

"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation."

Lynn K.

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
"Remember this - The decision to "do right" that most
helps a dog's character is the decision that he makes
himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something,
any more than you can teach a human not to want something."

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
------------------------------­---

From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here. Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^­­­­^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

> >> Why the personal attacks?

Nuthin PERSONAL, dog lovers.

> >> aren't people allowed to have an opinion?

Sure!:

"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction"
--Janet Boss

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!


~shady Angel~
2005-10-07 05:42:33 EST
Z wrote:
> just got a dog the other day - Lab/German Pointer Cross - He is
> neutered and all that, but pees like a girl dog! what the heck! -
> nope - no lifting the leg - instead a lazy female dog like squat!
> strange - whats up with that!? Also, I read the dog may have soft
> stool for a few days after moving into a new home - Big piles of
> yellow sticky gunk! how long does this last? (its soooooooo freaking
> gross!)
> thanks

My"pup" (7 months old) still skwats to pee but I've been told thats normal.
my pup has the runs for a while I got him at 4 weeks old, but I got him
vaccinated and after a while he was fine and is now very healthy and happy.
--
~shady angel~
Heya guys I'm back



~shady Angel~
2005-10-07 05:43:38 EST
Ruth wrote:
> << just got a dog the other day - Lab/German Pointer Cross>>
>
> alot of male dogs don't life their leg. i wouldn't worry about it. two
> questions:
>
> 1. how old is he
> 2. what are you feeding him
>
I agree with this! Well put.
--
~shady angel~
Heya guys I'm back

>> He is neutered and all that, but pees like a girl dog! what the
>> heck! - nope - no lifting the leg - instead a lazy female dog like
>> squat! strange - whats up with that!? Also, I read the dog may have
>> soft stool for a few days after moving into a new home - Big piles
>> of yellow sticky gunk! how long does this last? (its soooooooo
>> freaking gross!) thanks


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