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Jeff Galli
2003-08-22 20:32:06 EST
Hi,

I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd. For the past few days she has
been having seemingly unprovoked panic attacks. Out of nowhere,
hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running up to someone in my
family. She is unresponsive and won't eat anything, and even when not in the
middle of an attack she has begun not to eat, or hesitate before eating. She
spends most of her time hiding.

She has always been scared during thunderstorms, and exhibited the same
symptoms, but that was only during thunder and nothing else, especially not
under completely calm, quiet conditions.

Our vet found nothing wrong with her. She recommended some pain-killers for
five days and something else in case the problem is arthritis. We already
have a tranquilizer which we've been trying to give to her before
thunderstorms the past couple years, but won't help us here.

Besides old age, I don't know what might be the cause. Any suggestions and
tips on what to do would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time,

-- Jeff

http://www.gallilaw.com/



Pat
2003-08-23 08:07:54 EST
I am not sure whether I have been reading this correctly.
Her goes...and you will tell me perhaps if I am wrong.
What do you mean by panic attacks.?
While reading this post it reminded me of something that happened to my dogs
some years back.
However this may be different.
My dog wanted to eat...she would go to the bowl then back away.
Kept doing that ..she was hungry but didn't want to eat it.
I took her to the vet...it was a bad tooth.
It would seem she wanted to eat ...yet remembered the day before it hurt to
eat.
Dogs will remember the bad pain with tooth ache.
As they cannot tell you they stop eating.
Hope this may help.
Pat.


"Jeff Galli" <jeff@gallilaw.com> wrote in message
news:eCy1b.15056$Zw4.1210@lakeread03...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd. For the past few days she has
> been having seemingly unprovoked panic attacks. Out of nowhere,
> hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running up to someone in my
> family. She is unresponsive and won't eat anything, and even when not in
the
> middle of an attack she has begun not to eat, or hesitate before eating.
She
> spends most of her time hiding.
>
> She has always been scared during thunderstorms, and exhibited the same
> symptoms, but that was only during thunder and nothing else, especially
not
> under completely calm, quiet conditions.
>
> Our vet found nothing wrong with her. She recommended some pain-killers
for
> five days and something else in case the problem is arthritis. We already
> have a tranquilizer which we've been trying to give to her before
> thunderstorms the past couple years, but won't help us here.
>
> Besides old age, I don't know what might be the cause. Any suggestions and
> tips on what to do would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> -- Jeff
>
> http://www.gallilaw.com/
>
>



2003-08-23 08:54:37 EST
Doggies do not have panic attacks! You are projecting okay? Don't be
such a fuss budget around yoru dog. I find gravy (4 youand the dog is
good for the calming).

Don't rune your dogeis life with this smack attitude.

---
The secret george lucas doesn't want you to know!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/stayawayfromhimbitchheismine/starwars.htm

"Jeff Galli" <jeff@gallilaw.com> wrote in message news:<eCy1b.15056$Zw4.1210@lakeread03>...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd. For the past few days she has
> been having seemingly unprovoked panic attacks. Out of nowhere,
> hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running up to someone in my
> family. She is unresponsive and won't eat anything, and even when not in the
> middle of an attack she has begun not to eat, or hesitate before eating. She
> spends most of her time hiding.
>
> She has always been scared during thunderstorms, and exhibited the same
> symptoms, but that was only during thunder and nothing else, especially not
> under completely calm, quiet conditions.
>
> Our vet found nothing wrong with her. She recommended some pain-killers for
> five days and something else in case the problem is arthritis. We already
> have a tranquilizer which we've been trying to give to her before
> thunderstorms the past couple years, but won't help us here.
>
> Besides old age, I don't know what might be the cause. Any suggestions and
> tips on what to do would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> -- Jeff
>
> http://www.gallilaw.com/

Bill Oliver
2003-08-23 11:48:13 EST
In article <f9011824.0308230454.5563a1a6@posting.google.com>,
marimba_nkala@earthling.net <stayawayfromhimbitchheismine@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Doggies do not have panic attacks!

Are you sure? Panic attacks have a pretty simple biological
origin -- I don't see why dogs couldn't have the same
pathology.

billo


The Puppy Wizard
2003-08-23 12:59:07 EST

"Pat" <Pat@bonniepml.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bi7lep$hst$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> I am not sure whether I have been reading this correctly.
> Her goes...and you will tell me perhaps if I am wrong.
> What do you mean by panic attacks.?
> While reading this post it reminded me of something that
happened to my dogs
> some years back.
> However this may be different.
> My dog wanted to eat...she would go to the bowl then back away.
> Kept doing that ..she was hungry but didn't want to eat it.
> I took her to the vet...it was a bad tooth.
> It would seem she wanted to eat ...yet remembered the day before
it hurt to
> eat.
> Dogs will remember the bad pain with tooth ache.

Yup. Just like a pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar...

> As they cannot tell you they stop eating.
> Hope this may help.
> Pat.
>
>
> "Jeff Galli" <jeff@gallilaw.com> wrote in message
> news:eCy1b.15056$Zw4.1210@lakeread03...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd. For the past few
days she has
> > been having seemingly unprovoked panic attacks. Out of
nowhere,
> > hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running up to
someone in my
> > family. She is unresponsive and won't eat anything, and even
when not in
> the
> > middle of an attack she has begun not to eat, or hesitate
before eating.
> She
> > spends most of her time hiding.
> >
> > She has always been scared during thunderstorms, and exhibited
the same
> > symptoms, but that was only during thunder and nothing else,
especially
> not
> > under completely calm, quiet conditions.
> >
> > Our vet found nothing wrong with her. She recommended some
pain-killers
> for
> > five days and something else in case the problem is arthritis.
We already
> > have a tranquilizer which we've been trying to give to her
before
> > thunderstorms the past couple years, but won't help us here.
> >
> > Besides old age, I don't know what might be the cause. Any
suggestions and
> > tips on what to do would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks for your time,
> >
> > -- Jeff
> >
> > http://www.gallilaw.com/
> >
> >
>
>



The Puppy Wizard
2003-08-23 15:26:12 EST
HOWEYD Jeff,

"Jeff Galli" <jeff@gallilaw.com> wrote in message
news:eCy1b.15056$Zw4.1210@lakeread03...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd. For the past few
days she has
> been having seemingly unprovoked panic attacks. Out of nowhere,
> hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running up to someone
in my
> family. She is unresponsive and won't eat anything, and even
when not in the
> middle of an attack she has begun not to eat, or hesitate before
eating. She
> spends most of her time hiding.

That's typical.

> She has always been scared during thunderstorms, and exhibited
the same
> symptoms, but that was only during thunder and nothing else,
especially not
> under completely calm, quiet conditions.

There's your answer.

> Our vet found nothing wrong with her.

That's on accHOWENT of your vet doesn't know anything
abHOWET temperament behavior and stress related health
disorders. Not knocking the vet, most vets, even human
psych guys, aren't familiar with these issues yet.

> She recommended some pain-killers for five days

That's ridiculHOWES.

> and something else in case the problem is arthritis.

Arthritis and myopathies, addisons, cushings, intestinal
and digestive, endocrine disorders, even glaucoma's and
cancers, are CAUSED BY STRESS.

Don't take The Puppy Wizard's word for that, the UofOH
recently did the research CONFIRMING what The Puppy
Wizard has been teaching for MANY years.

> We already have a tranquilizer which we've been trying
> to give to her before thunderstorms the past couple years,
> but won't help us here.

The Puppy Wizard's Methods and Machine can CURE fear
of thunder in FOUR storms... maybe less.

> Besides old age, I don't know what might be the cause.

ANXIETY from traditional mishandling, as we've ALL been
taught by HOWER EXXXPERT behaviorists and trainers,
as taught by lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for
ten minutes contemplation" dermer of the department of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI, who's own dog is DYING
FROM STRESS caused by HOWER good professor "PUNISHING
his behaviors, and not the dog."

> Any suggestions and tips on what to do would be greatly
appreciated.

You won't be getting no goddamned advice from HOWER dog
lovers here, they got the same same same same problems.

> Thanks for your time,

Your welcome.

> -- Jeff


Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog

Dear Jerry,

I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.

To review:

Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.

>From there the problem grew. She would run to the far
southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.

!st attempt to help her:

I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.

Traumatic event:

We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.

>From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.
I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.

The solution:

I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.

A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.

Problem solved:

I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.

The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.

A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.

A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including shipping.

Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."

She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware
of its cycles.

Amazing.

Thank you Jerry.

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"Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com...

> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
> insignificant some of the step seem to be and your puppy will
> be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
>
> I would seriously consider backing out of the training
> classes as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.
> I went the training route first, and still had problems until
> I found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
>
> You won't be disappointed if you follow the program.
>
> Good luck,
> Hoku

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----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

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"Anthony Testa" <testa52601@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com...

> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year
> ago with my lovely wife linda. 3 times a week
> for 7 months I visited the Dog shelter and
> Humane Society looking for a German Shepherd.
> There were several times they had a dog there,
> but I was looking for a bitch. The reason for this
> is, all my life I have always had a female German
> shepherd. Therefore, I wanted another one. Finally
> about 6 weeks ago, I found her. "Angel" looked
> just like my previous dog of 12 years. I called my
> wife, she came down and fell in love with her immediately.
>
> We filled out the paper work and left the Humane
> Society with her. We drove directly to Pet Smart to
> buy all the essentials. We bought the biggest crate
> available. Let it be known I have never used a crate
> with any of my previous dogs. The biggest difference
> is my other dogs I had from puppy age. Angel just
> turned 2, 3 days before adoption.
>
> Angel appeared to be happy the trip home. Her ears
> were down all the time and her tail was so far between
> her legs that it looked like she had 3 ears. (humor)
> None the less, we knew we had a dog that was insecure.
> The first night we let Angel sleep in the living room.
>
> However, we had to go to work the next day. We pet
> her, kissed her and put her in the crate in the middle
> of the living room. During the day, my sons came
> home to walk her, give her a little loving and play with
> her. Then put her back in the crate and go to work.
>
> When we got home the first day, everything in the
> crate was ripped to shreds. The neighbors
> approached us and said that the dogs barked
> constantly for 3 hours then barked continuously after
> my sons left again. We thought it was because
> everything was new. We were wrong. The dig did
> this every day for 4 days.
>
> The 4th day was our first scheduled visit with the
> vet. The vet told us he can see that the dog is
> suffering from abuse and separation anxiety. So,
> the vet puts the dog on clomicalm. (not sure of the
> spelling).
>
> Well, for two days the dog walked around like Jerry
> Garcia on a Friday night after a concert, stoned!
> However, we were home with her the entire weekend.
>
> We crated her for work and came home to a barking
> dog, ripped bedding in the crate, upset neighbors
> and the plastic bottom of the crate completely torn
> to bits. It was obvious that crating was not a good thing.
> The next day we decided to leave her out of the crate
> to see what would happen. What a major mistake.
> We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
> Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn down, etc.
>
> The next day we put her in the crate again. This
> time we came home to a nice 2' x 3' hole in our
> carpet in the middle of the living room, right down
> to the cement. I told my wife that we cannot afford
> to keep this dog. We should go out and get a puppy.
> She was upset and said there must be something
> we can do. I told her this. " I will go on the internet
> and see what is available". I was desperate and
> wanted to see if there was someone who could help.
>
> We read the information about the DDR and emailed
> Jerry. Jerry was kind enough to give us his phone
> number to discuss Angel in more detail.
>
> First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
> doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.
> Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
> exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
> the DDR.
>
> This is an amazing god send to us. First of all,
> Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks for that
> gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect. This testimonial
> is kind of winded so I will say this......Jerry's product
> literally saved this dogs life.
>
> Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
> dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry told
> us the product works immediately and it did! She does
> not bark at all during the day except when the mailman
> drops mail into the slot on the door. The manual for
> training works exactly as it says!
>
> We told our vet about this and he said that there are
> all kind of gimmicks. I told my vet that as a person who
> holds a degree of higher education, there just are some
> things they don't have in the text books and he should
> be receptive to that. We are proof. Angel was one
> day from going back to the humane society.
>
> Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know
> it all of pets. His response to the exact letter we
> initially wrote to Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her
> back" I'll save this person embarrassment by not saying the
> name. However, you know who you are and I have this to say
> to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you
> sir, do not belong working with animals!
>
> Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
>
> You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
> you my friend are a life saver!!!
>
> Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
> of your product, you have my number. We would gladly
> talk to them.
>
> Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...
>
> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida

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> mshaw@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote in message
news:<lmWo8AeR1HVP092yn@panix.com>...

> > In article <c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com>,
> > testa52601@aol.com (Anthony Testa) wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> > > group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> > > many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
> > > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you
> > > my friend are a life saver!!!
>
> > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really?
>
> Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you have read is
> true.
>
> We were at witts end, found Jerry's web page by
> happenstance, wrote to him almost exactly what you read, he
> gave me his suggestions, told me what my results would be
> including a time line and, you know what? He was and still
> is, right on the money.
>
> I don't care if he's a warlock, a professor, disgruntled
> Entomologist, or a man with a niche that makes the sciences
> itchy, he saved the day AND a dog's life.
>
> We were given suggestions from Medication, to a Behavioral
> Specialist. I decided that instead of creating a Jerry
> Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars an hour for my dog to lay on a
> couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry Howe's method seemed
> to be more humane and serene. It worked, end of story.
>
> A. Testa

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> My student Anthony summed it all up:
>
"Alpha" <sweeney1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:bsf69.5447$g9.19553@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...

> Well there you go, I was willing to believe but then jerry
> it was another hallucination of yours, just like all those
> thank you letters you write, a lie, a fabrication, a wank...
>
> > From: TESTA52601 (testa52601@aol.com)
> > Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
> > Date: 2002-03-28 10:01:34 PST
> > Alpha,
>
> > It's uneducated, ball breakers like you that create dismay
> > throughout this society. Get a life. you took apart a
> > letter from someone who has shown nothing but love and
> > caring, including lots of money and twisted it to YOUR
> > point.
>
> > Ever consider politics? I challenge you to show me your
> > credentials and results you come up with. The things I did
> > with the dog WAS against MY wishes. However, I listen
> > to pencil neck geeks that sit behind a monitor and get 30
> > different suggestions. This dog could not be happier if
> > she was gnawing on all three of your legs.
>
> > The bottom line to my letter was to tell people "don't
> > knock it until you try it"
>
> > P.S. Write me personally if you have any
> > credentials.......

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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!

He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!

Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.

I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass
lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.

A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.


Hey J,

I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.

The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with the last.

I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.

I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.

The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.

Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.

I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.

See ya,

Paul

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Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
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M.
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Here's two Pauls:

Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsenddog@aol.com

Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.

My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.

When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.

I will write to Amanda about the video.

I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.

Thanks again
Paul

> > =============================


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST

It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.

My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls :-)

I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
anytime the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed
with immediate praise. It worked a treat.

The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is
food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go
out and leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.

Paul

--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.

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"Paul B" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3edc57c5@clear.net.nz...
>
> "shaper" <nomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3edb6bbb@quokka.wn.com.au...
> > I have been reading these forums for a few weeks
> > now, and am getting really confused!!
> > but is there actually anyone who has used the
> > methods in this manual with any success ?

100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY
INSTANTLY, BY NEARLY EVERY FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Student.

It's the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE,
NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE, SCIENTIFIC and
PSYCHOLOGICAL
technique in the
Whole Wild World, BAR NONE.

> > I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon
> > and really would like to know the best and most
> > effective way of training without using food treats
> > or violence (i do agree with what the guy says
> > about food treats and violence)
> > Thanks for any intelligent replies
> I have tried his methods and found them extremely
> effective. There are several areas in particular I
> found useful.
>
> He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each
> other all the time. He teaches you to have such good
> communication with your dog you don't need leash
> corrections or shock collars or even food, you can get
> the dogs attention any time you like by calling it or with
> a snap of your fingers.
>
> When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
> to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
> them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
> good communication and was unable to be tempted
> to use the lead to correct them.
>
> Another part of the training I agree with is not using
> the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
> or react with it in such a way that you become involved
> in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
> often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
> are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
> counter surfing etc).
>
> Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
> friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
> pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
> is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
> then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
>
> Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
> If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
> are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
>
> Paul

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Fitz [mailto:donfitz69@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:53 a.m.
> To: Amanda@DCFWatch.com; paulbousie@clear.net.nz
> Subject: Jerry Howe
>
> Hi,
> Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering
> what you have to say of his training methods.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbousie@clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfitz69@hotmail.com>; <Amanda@DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe


> If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must
> already have a good idea about what I think.
>
>
> His methods are the best I have come across. They
> aren't a quick fix but an entire training concept so if
> you aren't in for the long haul then don't bother. If
> you go his way then you have to forget all the other
> gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe
> in what you are doing, then and only then will you get
> the results.
>
>
> You can't combine his methods with other training
> methods, not until you understand what you are
> trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever
> combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even
> then just a snip of what they suggest which works
> in parallel with the Wits End concept.
>
> His methods make you as the trainer completely
> responsible for your actions, his methods make
> you think and work out your own solutions for
> any given situation, the default (the recall) is
> always there to get things under control again.
>
>
> His ideas and concepts teach you to work with
> the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to
> work together which is surely the best way to be.
> His methods don't use force or intimidation but
> they do totally emphasize the absolute importance
> of pack (family pack) structure, without that you
> can achieve almost nothing.
>
> If you are wondering how a dog can be trained
> without any negativity the answer lies in the recall,
> anytime your dog doesn't follow through with a
> request you call him / her to you, since the recall
> is the first thing taught and it is taught in such a
> way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns
> to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and
> we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an
> "equal" position.
>
> His methods are very good, his understanding of
> dogs is excellent, I recommend his methods.
:
> Paul Bousie

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"Paul B" <panders@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c2ae204@clear.net.nz...


> Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
> all, people who find the manual useful are those that
> don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
> but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
> live with. I would suggest the people who follow the
> advice in his manual are people who have already
> tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with
> the poor results.


> The more I think about the methods he suggests the
> more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
> believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
> whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
> our values and I don't believe they are capable of
> understanding them either, so to train them we use
> methods they understand. That means abstract
> training, doing sometimes what appears to
> almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.


> If you are purely result orientated then you will not
> find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
> and love to work WITH them then his manual is
> your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
> with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
> it, it's very obvious why.


> When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
> particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
> becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
> interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
> thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
> stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
> in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
> pursue that behaviour.


> Better than hiding the garbage can eh?


> Paul


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Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?

Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.??
Date: 2000/10/21

Something occurred this morning that made me think how
we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.

Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs
eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After
a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down,
"OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed,
so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face,
"GET OFF" she said abruptly.

Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After
a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.

Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily.
I told her they got down for me because I asked them to,
they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so
there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they
will comply, demand it and they get confused because
they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know
why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her.

I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.

Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your
dog thinking then responding everytime.

Paul

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From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

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Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)

Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
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"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@easynews.com wrote
in message
news: pjaootcg8dgrptuu96383933eqk2jjp7b2@4ax.com...

I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."

I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.

That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.

The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.

This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Charlie

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<"Terri"@cyberhighway

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the
box first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

----------------------------------------------

"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-

Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
more complaints to my personal email than any other
controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:

CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.

Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
http://www.doggydoright.com

Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-

The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
oo-oo





The Puppy Wizard
2003-08-24 01:42:09 EST
You're full of crap...

STRESS from just tellin them "NO" or jerking and
choking or shocking and crating them KILLS DOGS.

Ask professor lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer or
matty...

The Puppy Wizard. <} ;~ ) >
"marimba_nkala@earthling.net"
<*e@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f9011824.0308232102.3abb6ef@posting.google.com...
> "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote in
message
news:<X5N1b.3533$8i2.2482@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> > Dogs DO have panic attacks, just like the people here... every
> > time The Puppy Wizard posts...
> >
>
> dogs don't! get a friggen life. Dogs do not hold mortgages or
have the
> credit card companies coming onto theri lawn. Panic attacks i
supbimit
> are for HUMANS only. Get a brain. Dontcha.
>
>
> ---
> The secret george lucas doesn't want you to know!!!!!!!!!!!
>
http://www.geocities.com/stayawayfromhimbitchheismine/starwars.htm



2003-08-24 20:43:53 EST
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

---
The secret george lucas doesn't want you to know!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/stayawayfromhimbitchheismine/starwars.htm

"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<ReY1b.3088$jY2.2095@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> You're full of crap...
>
> STRESS from just tellin them "NO" or jerking and
> choking or shocking and crating them KILLS DOGS.
>
> Ask professor lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE dermer or
> matty...
>
> The Puppy Wizard. <} ;~ ) >
> "marimba_nkala@earthling.net"
> <stayawayfromhimbitchheismine@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f9011824.0308232102.3abb6ef@posting.google.com...
> > "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote in
> message
> news:<X5N1b.3533$8i2.2482@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> > > Dogs DO have panic attacks, just like the people here... every
> > > time The Puppy Wizard posts...
> > >
> >
> > dogs don't! get a friggen life. Dogs do not hold mortgages or
> have the
> > credit card companies coming onto theri lawn. Panic attacks i
> supbimit
> > are for HUMANS only. Get a brain. Dontcha.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > The secret george lucas doesn't want you to know!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> http://www.geocities.com/stayawayfromhimbitchheismine/starwars.htm

Lynn K.
2003-08-25 02:34:43 EST
"Jeff Galli" <jeff@gallilaw.com> wrote in message news:<eCy1b.15056$Zw4.1210@lakeread03>...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd. For the past few days she has
> been having seemingly unprovoked panic attacks. Out of nowhere,
> hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running up to someone in my
> family. She is unresponsive and won't eat anything, and even when not in the
> middle of an attack she has begun not to eat, or hesitate before eating. She
> spends most of her time hiding

Sudden changes like this often have a physical basis. Try to keep a
very detailed log about each of these attacks to see if you can
determine a pattern. For example, if they happen consistently in
sunshine, your vet might look for pannus, conversely if they are
happening at dusk your vet might look at rapidly diminishing vision.
The cause could be almost anything and you have to do some detective
work and careful observation if you're going to find it. Some of the
things I've seen cause very similar reactions:

- petit mal epilepsy, with panic at the "aura"
- a perianal fistula (with reluctance to eat)
- both pannus and rapid onset glaucoma (the latter almost identical to
what you're describing, with the dog blinded in 4 days and 3 vets not
catching it)
- senile dementia in my 18 yr old dog - she gets confused and panics
in the evenings, "sundowning"
- an inhaled foxtail migrating to the brain
- a brain tumor that took my Smooth Collie at 12 started with the same
kind of symptoms

IOW, it could be almost anything and it's going to be a bit difficult
to find the cause, but you've got to keep working at it.

Good luck,
Lynn K.
-

The Puppy Wizard
2003-08-25 09:42:40 EST
HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

"Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37cd72a9.0308242234.22ee5e08@posting.google.com...
> "Jeff Galli" <jeff@gallilaw.com> wrote in message
news:<eCy1b.15056$Zw4.1210@lakeread03>...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd.
> > For the past few days she has been having seemingly
> > unprovoked panic attacks. Out of nowhere,
> > hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running up
> > to someone in my family. She is unresponsive and
> > won't eat anything, and even when not in the middle
> > of an attack she has begun not to eat, or hesitate
> > before eating. She spends most of her time hiding

> Sudden changes like this often have a physical basis.

INDEEDY! But that's the EXXXCEPTION, ain't it,
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, ESPECIALLY in
view of: "She has always been scared during thunderstorms,
and exhibited the same symptoms, but that was only during
thunder and nothing else, especially not under completely
calm, quiet conditions.

Our vet found nothing wrong with her."

> Try to keep a very detailed log about each of these attacks

INDEEDY? You mean, INSTEAD of CURING the
ANXIETY, NEARLY INSTANTLY, MAYBE FASTER,
as taught in The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual, lying "I LOVE
KOEHELR" lynn?

> to see if you can determine a pattern.

The dog is constantly panicking NHOWE, lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, cause THAT'S the
NATURAL PROGRESSION of PAINIC.

> For example,

For example, when you shock and choke
your dog's for training problems, the dog
may generalize that FEAR of PAIN and
may PAINIC all the time, over stuff like
THUNDER or car rides or separation.

THAT'S HOWE COME dogs have those
temperament and behavior problems, cause
dirtbabags like YOU, HURT and INTIMIDATE
them, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, which
trainsferrs to generalize PHOBIAS.

> if they happen consistently in sunshine, your
> vet might look for pannus, conversely if they are
> happening at dusk your vet might look at rapidly
> diminishing vision.

Vision problems can be precipitated by jerkin
and choking on their collars and from stress
of being punished and intimidated, lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn.

> The cause could be almost anything and you
> have to do some detective work and careful
> observation if you're going to find it.

You mean, instead of just CURING the ANXIETY,
NEARLY INSTANTLY, hunh?

> Some of the things I've seen cause very similar reactions:

Some of the "things you've SEEN" are CAUSED by the
ABUSE you dish HOWET, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

> - petit mal epilepsy, with panic at the "aura"

That's often caused by STRESS of your jerking choking
shocking and aversives and crate, lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn.

> - a perianal fistula (with reluctance to eat)

You mean, a painful boil on the dog's arse, like
yourself, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. The OP
SEZ the dog has been vetted HOWET and is in
good health, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

> - both pannus and rapid onset glaucoma

INDEEDY? Those too, can be caused by STRESS
from your typical ABUSE.

> (the latter almost identical to what you're describing,
> with the dog blinded in 4 days and 3 vets not catching it)

That's very unlikely.

> - senile dementia in my 18 yr old dog -

That too, is caused by mishandling. You're a dog
abuser, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

> she gets confused and panics in the evenings, "sundowning"

Perhaps that's on accHOWENT of she can't tell
if you're nearby to HURT HER to reassure her
every thing is NORMAL???

> - an inhaled foxtail migrating to the brain

The dog has been vetted O.K., for this complaint.

> - a brain tumor that took my Smooth Collie at 12
> started with the same kind of symptoms

That brain tumor probably woulda NEVER happened
if you hadn't TORMENTED her for years.

> IOW, it could be almost anything

INDEEDY! It's PROBABLY STRESS from being
mishandled, like you do your dogs, lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn.

> and it's going to be a bit difficult to find the cause,

NOT if the CAUSE is your ABUSE.

> but you've got to keep working at it.

IOW, you got LOTS of possible EXXXCUSES but NO
ADVICE, isn't that correct, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn?

> Good luck,

Dog trainin ain't LUCK, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

> Lynn K.

You're a liar and a dog abuser and you can't post
here noMOORE.

HOWEYD Jeff,

"Jeff Galli" <jeff@gallilaw.com> wrote in message
news:eCy1b.15056$Zw4.1210@lakeread03...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 10 year old mostly-German-Shepherd. For
> the past few days she has been having seemingly
> unprovoked panic attacks. Out of nowhere,
> hyperventilating and shaking, she'll come running
> up to someone in my family.

She's BEGGING FOR HEELP.

> She is unresponsive and won't eat anything, and
> even when not in the middle of an attack she has
> begun not to eat, or hesitate before eating.

She's phobic.

> She spends most of her time hiding.

That's typical.

> She has always been scared during thunderstorms,
> and exhibited the same symptoms, but that was only
> during thunder and nothing else, especially not
> under completely calm, quiet conditions.

There's your answer.

> Our vet found nothing wrong with her.

That's on accHOWENT of your vet doesn't know anything
abHOWET temperament behavior and stress related health
disorders. Not knocking the vet, most vets, even human
psych guys, aren't familiar with these issues yet.

> She recommended some pain-killers for five days

That's ridiculHOWES.

> and something else in case the problem is arthritis.

Arthritis and myopathies, addisons, cushings, intestinal
and digestive, endocrine disorders, even glaucoma's and
cancers, are CAUSED BY STRESS.

Don't take The Puppy Wizard's word for that, the UofOH
recently did the research CONFIRMING what The Puppy
Wizard has been teaching for MANY years.

> We already have a tranquilizer which we've been trying
> to give to her before thunderstorms the past couple years,
> but won't help us here.

The Puppy Wizard's Methods and Machine can CURE fear
of thunder in FOUR storms... maybe less.

> Besides old age, I don't know what might be the cause.

ANXIETY from traditional mishandling, as we've ALL been
taught by HOWER EXXXPERT behaviorists and trainers,
as taught by lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for
ten minutes contemplation" dermer of the department of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI, who's own dog is DYING
FROM STRESS caused by HOWER good professor "PUNISHING
his behaviors, and not the dog."

> Any suggestions and tips on what to do would be greatly
appreciated.

You won't be getting no goddamned advice from HOWER dog
lovers here, they got the same same same same problems.

> Thanks for your time,

Your welcome.

> -- Jeff


Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog

Dear Jerry,

I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.

To review:

Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.

>From there the problem grew. She would run to the far
southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.

!st attempt to help her:

I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.

Traumatic event:

We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.

>From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.
I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.

The solution:

I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.

A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.

Problem solved:

I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.

The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.

A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.

A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including shipping.

Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."

She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware
of its cycles.

Amazing.

Thank you Jerry.

=============


"Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com...

> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
> insignificant some of the step seem to be and your puppy will
> be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
>
> I would seriously consider backing out of the training
> classes as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.
> I went the training route first, and still had problems until
> I found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
>
> You won't be disappointed if you follow the program.
>
> Good luck,
> Hoku

==================

----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

==================

"Anthony Testa" <testa52601@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com...

> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year
> ago with my lovely wife linda. 3 times a week
> for 7 months I visited the Dog shelter and
> Humane Society looking for a German Shepherd.
> There were several times they had a dog there,
> but I was looking for a bitch. The reason for this
> is, all my life I have always had a female German
> shepherd. Therefore, I wanted another one. Finally
> about 6 weeks ago, I found her. "Angel" looked
> just like my previous dog of 12 years. I called my
> wife, she came down and fell in love with her immediately.
>
> We filled out the paper work and left the Humane
> Society with her. We drove directly to Pet Smart to
> buy all the essentials. We bought the biggest crate
> available. Let it be known I have never used a crate
> with any of my previous dogs. The biggest difference
> is my other dogs I had from puppy age. Angel just
> turned 2, 3 days before adoption.
>
> Angel appeared to be happy the trip home. Her ears
> were down all the time and her tail was so far between
> her legs that it looked like she had 3 ears. (humor)
> None the less, we knew we had a dog that was insecure.
> The first night we let Angel sleep in the living room.
>
> However, we had to go to work the next day. We pet
> her, kissed her and put her in the crate in the middle
> of the living room. During the day, my sons came
> home to walk her, give her a little loving and play with
> her. Then put her back in the crate and go to work.
>
> When we got home the first day, everything in the
> crate was ripped to shreds. The neighbors
> approached us and said that the dogs barked
> constantly for 3 hours then barked continuously after
> my sons left again. We thought it was because
> everything was new. We were wrong. The dig did
> this every day for 4 days.
>
> The 4th day was our first scheduled visit with the
> vet. The vet told us he can see that the dog is
> suffering from abuse and separation anxiety. So,
> the vet puts the dog on clomicalm. (not sure of the
> spelling).
>
> Well, for two days the dog walked around like Jerry
> Garcia on a Friday night after a concert, stoned!
> However, we were home with her the entire weekend.
>
> We crated her for work and came home to a barking
> dog, ripped bedding in the crate, upset neighbors
> and the plastic bottom of the crate completely torn
> to bits. It was obvious that crating was not a good thing.
> The next day we decided to leave her out of the crate
> to see what would happen. What a major mistake.
> We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
> Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn down, etc.
>
> The next day we put her in the crate again. This
> time we came home to a nice 2' x 3' hole in our
> carpet in the middle of the living room, right down
> to the cement. I told my wife that we cannot afford
> to keep this dog. We should go out and get a puppy.
> She was upset and said there must be something
> we can do. I told her this. " I will go on the internet
> and see what is available". I was desperate and
> wanted to see if there was someone who could help.
>
> We read the information about the DDR and emailed
> Jerry. Jerry was kind enough to give us his phone
> number to discuss Angel in more detail.
>
> First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
> doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.
> Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
> exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
> the DDR.
>
> This is an amazing god send to us. First of all,
> Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks for that
> gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect. This testimonial
> is kind of winded so I will say this......Jerry's product
> literally saved this dogs life.
>
> Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
> dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry told
> us the product works immediately and it did! She does
> not bark at all during the day except when the mailman
> drops mail into the slot on the door. The manual for
> training works exactly as it says!
>
> We told our vet about this and he said that there are
> all kind of gimmicks. I told my vet that as a person who
> holds a degree of higher education, there just are some
> things they don't have in the text books and he should
> be receptive to that. We are proof. Angel was one
> day from going back to the humane society.
>
> Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know
> it all of pets. His response to the exact letter we
> initially wrote to Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her
> back" I'll save this person embarrassment by not saying the
> name. However, you know who you are and I have this to say
> to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you
> sir, do not belong working with animals!
>
> Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
>
> You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
> you my friend are a life saver!!!
>
> Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
> of your product, you have my number. We would gladly
> talk to them.
>
> Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...
>
> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida

=====================

> mshaw@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote in message
news:<lmWo8AeR1HVP092yn@panix.com>...

> > In article <c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.com>,
> > testa52601@aol.com (Anthony Testa) wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> > > group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> > > many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
> > > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you
> > > my friend are a life saver!!!
>
> > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really?
>
> Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you have read is
> true.
>
> We were at witts end, found Jerry's web page by
> happenstance, wrote to him almost exactly what you read, he
> gave me his suggestions, told me what my results would be
> including a time line and, you know what? He was and still
> is, right on the money.
>
> I don't care if he's a warlock, a professor, disgruntled
> Entomologist, or a man with a niche that makes the sciences
> itchy, he saved the day AND a dog's life.
>
> We were given suggestions from Medication, to a Behavioral
> Specialist. I decided that instead of creating a Jerry
> Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars an hour for my dog to lay on a
> couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry Howe's method seemed
> to be more humane and serene. It worked, end of story.
>
> A. Testa

=====================

> My student Anthony summed it all up:
>
"Alpha" <sweeney1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:bsf69.5447$g9.19553@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...

> Well there you go, I was willing to believe but then jerry
> it was another hallucination of yours, just like all those
> thank you letters you write, a lie, a fabrication, a wank...
>
> > From: TESTA52601 (testa52601@aol.com)
> > Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
> > Date: 2002-03-28 10:01:34 PST
> > Alpha,
>
> > It's uneducated, ball breakers like you that create dismay
> > throughout this society. Get a life. you took apart a
> > letter from someone who has shown nothing but love and
> > caring, including lots of money and twisted it to YOUR
> > point.
>
> > Ever consider politics? I challenge you to show me your
> > credentials and results you come up with. The things I did
> > with the dog WAS against MY wishes. However, I listen
> > to pencil neck geeks that sit behind a monitor and get 30
> > different suggestions. This dog could not be happier if
> > she was gnawing on all three of your legs.
>
> > The bottom line to my letter was to tell people "don't
> > knock it until you try it"
>
> > P.S. Write me personally if you have any
> > credentials.......

======================


----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!

He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!

Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.

I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass
lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.

A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

==========================

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.


Hey J,

I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.

The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with the last.

I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.

I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.

The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.

Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.

I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.

See ya,

Paul

===============


Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
-----

M.
--
Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227

======================

Here's two Pauls:

Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsenddog@aol.com

Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.

My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.

When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.

I will write to Amanda about the video.

I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.

Thanks again
Paul

> > =============================


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST

It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.

My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls :-)

I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
anytime the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed
with immediate praise. It worked a treat.

The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is
food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go
out and leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.

Paul

--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.

See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html

Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!

====================


"Paul B" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3edc57c5@clear.net.nz...
>
> "shaper" <nomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3edb6bbb@quokka.wn.com.au...
> > I have been reading these forums for a few weeks
> > now, and am getting really confused!!
> > but is there actually anyone who has used the
> > methods in this manual with any success ?

100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY
INSTANTLY, BY NEARLY EVERY FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Student.

It's the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE,
NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE, SCIENTIFIC and
PSYCHOLOGICAL
technique in the
Whole Wild World, BAR NONE.

> > I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon
> > and really would like to know the best and most
> > effective way of training without using food treats
> > or violence (i do agree with what the guy says
> > about food treats and violence)
> > Thanks for any intelligent replies
> I have tried his methods and found them extremely
> effective. There are several areas in particular I
> found useful.
>
> He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each
> other all the time. He teaches you to have such good
> communication with your dog you don't need leash
> corrections or shock collars or even food, you can get
> the dogs attention any time you like by calling it or with
> a snap of your fingers.
>
> When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
> to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
> them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
> good communication and was unable to be tempted
> to use the lead to correct them.
>
> Another part of the training I agree with is not using
> the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
> or react with it in such a way that you become involved
> in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
> often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
> are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
> counter surfing etc).
>
> Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
> friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
> pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
> is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
> then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
>
> Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
> If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
> are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
>
> Paul

===============================


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Fitz [mailto:donfitz69@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:53 a.m.
> To: Amanda@DCFWatch.com; paulbousie@clear.net.nz
> Subject: Jerry Howe
>
> Hi,
> Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering
> what you have to say of his training methods.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbousie@clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfitz69@hotmail.com>; <Amanda@DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe


> If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must
> already have a good idea about what I think.
>
>
> His methods are the best I have come across. They
> aren't a quick fix but an entire training concept so if
> you aren't in for the long haul then don't bother. If
> you go his way then you have to forget all the other
> gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe
> in what you are doing, then and only then will you get
> the results.
>
>
> You can't combine his methods with other training
> methods, not until you understand what you are
> trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever
> combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even
> then just a snip of what they suggest which works
> in parallel with the Wits End concept.
>
> His methods make you as the trainer completely
> responsible for your actions, his methods make
> you think and work out your own solutions for
> any given situation, the default (the recall) is
> always there to get things under control again.
>
>
> His ideas and concepts teach you to work with
> the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to
> work together which is surely the best way to be.
> His methods don't use force or intimidation but
> they do totally emphasize the absolute importance
> of pack (family pack) structure, without that you
> can achieve almost nothing.
>
> If you are wondering how a dog can be trained
> without any negativity the answer lies in the recall,
> anytime your dog doesn't follow through with a
> request you call him / her to you, since the recall
> is the first thing taught and it is taught in such a
> way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns
> to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and
> we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an
> "equal" position.
>
> His methods are very good, his understanding of
> dogs is excellent, I recommend his methods.
:
> Paul Bousie

==============================



"Paul B" <panders@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c2ae204@clear.net.nz...


> Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
> all, people who find the manual useful are those that
> don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
> but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
> live with. I would suggest the people who follow the
> advice in his manual are people who have already
> tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with
> the poor results.


> The more I think about the methods he suggests the
> more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
> believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
> whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
> our values and I don't believe they are capable of
> understanding them either, so to train them we use
> methods they understand. That means abstract
> training, doing sometimes what appears to
> almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.


> If you are purely result orientated then you will not
> find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
> and love to work WITH them then his manual is
> your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
> with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
> it, it's very obvious why.


> When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
> particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
> becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
> interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
> thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
> stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
> in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
> pursue that behaviour.


> Better than hiding the garbage can eh?


> Paul


=======================


Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?

Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.??
Date: 2000/10/21

Something occurred this morning that made me think how
we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.

Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs
eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After
a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down,
"OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed,
so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face,
"GET OFF" she said abruptly.

Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After
a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.

Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily.
I told her they got down for me because I asked them to,
they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so
there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they
will comply, demand it and they get confused because
they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know
why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her.

I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.

Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your
dog thinking then responding everytime.

Paul

=======================


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

========================

Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)

Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227

======================

"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@easynews.com wrote
in message
news: pjaootcg8dgrptuu96383933eqk2jjp7b2@4ax.com...

I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."

I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.

That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.

The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.

This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Charlie

=========================



<"Terri"@cyberhighway

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the
box first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

----------------------------------------------

"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-

Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
more complaints to my personal email than any other
controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:

CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.

Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
http://www.doggydoright.com

Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-

The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
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