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Hägar
2012-02-23 19:44:58 EST
A good reason to, at least, listen to Ron Paul.

By Alan Caruba

I have not been kind to Ron Paul and his participation in the Republican
primary campaigns and it has taken me a while to understand why he is doing
this. It is clear that he wants to be around to influence the Republican
platform and the issue about which he is abundantly correct is the Federal
Reserve.

Anyone taking notice of Obama's latest budget has to conclude that his
mission is to crash the nation's economy and turn America into a Socialist
worker's paradise. The only problem is that Socialism has been a dismal
failure everywhere it has been tried.

One only has to look at the collapse of the Soviet Union for confirmation of
that, the Chinese abandonment of Communist economic theory, and Obama's odd
notion that a nation can spend itself out of ever-increasing debt.

I am not a fan of Paul's isolationism, but he is absolutely right about
getting rid of the Federal Reserve.

Established in 1913, the same year income taxes were instituted, the Reserve
is not part of the federal government. It is, in fact, privately owned by a
consortium of banks and that might include foreign banks as well.

In a remarkable essay, "10 Things That Every American Should Know About The
Federal Reserve" by Michael T. Snyder, it is clear that the Constitution
intended to have the U.S. Treasury to be soley responsible to "coin Money,
regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of
Weights and Measures."

Synder points out that the Federal Reserve System (the Fed) is a privately
owned banking cartel and one granted the right to create money out of thin
air.

It is, says Synder "a perpetual debt machine because "whenever more money is
created, more debt is created as well." On top of its ability to create
money, the government then borrows it, increasing the cost to taxpayers by
way of the interest that must be paid to the Fed.

The government issues U.S. Treasury bonds with which to secure a loan from
the Fed and it, in turn, sells them to others. Money from nothing; interest
on that money, and earnings from the U.S. Treasury bonds it then sells!

Synder noted that in fiscal 2011 the U.S. government paid out $454 billion
just in interest on the national debt. "The truth is that our current
debt-based monetary system was designed by greedy bankers that wanted to
make enormous profits by using the Federal Reserve as a tool to create money
out of thin air and lend it to the U.S. government at interest."

"On July 1, 1914 (a few months after the Fed was created) the U.S. national
debt was $2.9 billion dollars. Today it is more than 5,000 times larger."

If Rep. Paul can convince enough people to end the Federal Reserve Americans
might actually learn how many trillions it loans to "too big to fail" Wall
Street banking institutions as well as to foreign banks, generally without
oversight by the Congress.

The previous Chairman of the Fed, Alan Greenspan, confessed to be totally
astonished by the housing bubble that led to the 2008 financial crisis, His
successor, Ben Bernanke, the current Chairman of the Fed, has been
consistently wrong about the economy since taking office. In 2005 Bernanke
said that housing prices had never declined on a nationwide basis and
predicted full employment as far as the eye could see.

Those mysterious financial instruments, derivatives, were perfectly safe
said Bernanke.

In 2008, he was still predicting housing prices would probably keep rising.
In 2007 he saw no problem with the subprime mortgages that two "government
sponsored entities", Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, kept pressuring banks to
make. "A few months before Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed, Bernanke
said 'The GSEs are adequately capitalized. They are in no danger of failing.'"

Any CEO or CFO with a record like that would be out on the street looking
for a job. And this man is still in charge of the Federal Reserve.

The latest budget put forth by the Obama administration demonstrates the
same level of incompetence and wishful thinking. "All the voters need to do
is suspend belief for another nine months. And ignore the first four years,"
opined The Wall Street Journal.

The budget essentially says that what a government that is deeply in
debt---with the size of it growing daily---has to do is to borrow and spend
more! And, oh yes, Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone and everything.

While I would not vote for Rep. Paul to be President, I applaud his lonely
campaign to get Americans to think about ridding the nation of the Federal
Reserve and to begin exercising fiscal restraint before we become the next
Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy or France.

\ufffd Alan Caruba, 2012



G=EMC^2
2012-02-23 20:08:49 EST
On Feb 23, 7:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A good reason to, at least, listen to Ron Paul.
>
> By Alan Caruba
>
> I have not been kind to Ron Paul and his participation in the Republican
> primary campaigns and it has taken me a while to understand why he is doing
> this. It is clear that he wants to be around to influence the Republican
> platform and the issue about which he is abundantly correct is the Federal
> Reserve.
>
> Anyone taking notice of Obama's latest budget has to conclude that his
> mission is to crash the nation's economy and turn America into a Socialist
> worker's paradise. The only problem is that Socialism has been a dismal
> failure everywhere it has been tried.
>
> One only has to look at the collapse of the Soviet Union for confirmation of
> that, the Chinese abandonment of Communist economic theory, and Obama's odd
> notion that a nation can spend itself out of ever-increasing debt.
>
> I am not a fan of Paul's isolationism, but he is absolutely right about
> getting rid of the Federal Reserve.
>
> Established in 1913, the same year income taxes were instituted, the Reserve
> is not part of the federal government. It is, in fact, privately owned by a
> consortium of banks and that might include foreign banks as well.
>
> In a remarkable essay, "10 Things That Every American Should Know About The
> Federal Reserve" by Michael T. Snyder, it is clear that the Constitution
> intended to have the U.S. Treasury to be soley responsible to "coin Money,
> regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of
> Weights and Measures."
>
> Synder points out that the Federal Reserve System (the Fed) is a privately
> owned banking cartel and one granted the right to create money out of thin
> air.
>
> It is, says Synder "a perpetual debt machine because "whenever more money is
> created, more debt is created as well." On top of its ability to create
> money, the government then borrows it, increasing the cost to taxpayers by
> way of the interest that must be paid to the Fed.
>
> The government issues U.S. Treasury bonds with which to secure a loan from
> the Fed and it, in turn, sells them to others. Money from nothing; interest
> on that money, and earnings from the U.S. Treasury bonds it then sells!
>
> Synder noted that in fiscal 2011 the U.S. government paid out $454 billion
> just in interest on the national debt. "The truth is that our current
> debt-based monetary system was designed by greedy bankers that wanted to
> make enormous profits by using the Federal Reserve as a tool to create money
> out of thin air and lend it to the U.S. government at interest."
>
> "On July 1, 1914 (a few months after the Fed was created) the U.S. national
> debt was $2.9 billion dollars. Today it is more than 5,000 times larger."
>
> If Rep. Paul can convince enough people to end the Federal Reserve Americans
> might actually learn how many trillions it loans to "too big to fail" Wall
> Street banking institutions as well as to foreign banks, generally without
> oversight by the Congress.
>
> The previous Chairman of the Fed, Alan Greenspan, confessed to be totally
> astonished by the housing bubble that led to the 2008 financial crisis, His
> successor, Ben Bernanke, the current Chairman of the Fed, has been
> consistently wrong about the economy since taking office. In 2005 Bernanke
> said that housing prices had never declined on a nationwide basis and
> predicted full employment as far as the eye could see.
>
> Those mysterious financial instruments, derivatives, were perfectly safe
> said Bernanke.
>
> In 2008, he was still predicting housing prices would probably keep rising.
> In 2007 he saw no problem with the subprime mortgages that two "government
> sponsored entities", Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, kept pressuring banks to
> make. "A few months before Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed, Bernanke
> said 'The GSEs are adequately capitalized. They are in no danger of failing.'"
>
> Any CEO or CFO with a record like that would be out on the street looking
> for a job. And this man is still in charge of the Federal Reserve.
>
> The latest budget put forth by the Obama administration demonstrates the
> same level of incompetence and wishful thinking. "All the voters need to do
> is suspend belief for another nine months. And ignore the first four years,"
> opined The Wall Street Journal.
>
> The budget essentially says that what a government that is deeply in
> debt---with the size of it growing daily---has to do is to borrow and spend
> more! And, oh yes, Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone and everything.
>
> While I would not vote for Rep. Paul to be President, I applaud his lonely
> campaign to get Americans to think about ridding the nation of the Federal
> Reserve and to begin exercising fiscal restraint before we become the next
> Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy or France.
>
> © Alan Caruba, 2012

Paul wants to restore democracy the other three are typical GOPers
that are crooks and double talkers. Last debate boring,ans Obama's
stock keeps going up. Time for Palin,and Trump. Godfather might go
with Rick Scott. He has the record for GOP stealing (!.7 billion)
TreBert

Bast
2012-02-23 20:55:27 EST
Well. if we can get Alan Caruba to consider Ron Paul, surely Hagar will
finally see the light soon.

......BTW Who is the F-ck is Alan Caruba ? And why should we care if he's
finally admitting he was wrong ?




H\ufffdgar wrote:
> A good reason to, at least, listen to Ron Paul.
>
> By Alan Caruba
>
> I have not been kind to Ron Paul and his participation in the Republican
> primary campaigns and it has taken me a while to understand why he is
> doing this. It is clear that he wants to be around to influence the
> Republican platform and the issue about which he is abundantly correct
> is the Federal Reserve.
>
> Anyone taking notice of Obama's latest budget has to conclude that his
> mission is to crash the nation's economy and turn America into a
> Socialist worker's paradise. The only problem is that Socialism has
> been a dismal failure everywhere it has been tried.
>
> One only has to look at the collapse of the Soviet Union for
> confirmation of that, the Chinese abandonment of Communist economic
> theory, and Obama's odd notion that a nation can spend itself out of
> ever-increasing debt.
> I am not a fan of Paul's isolationism, but he is absolutely right about
> getting rid of the Federal Reserve.
>
> Established in 1913, the same year income taxes were instituted, the
> Reserve is not part of the federal government. It is, in fact,
> privately owned by a consortium of banks and that might include foreign
> banks as well.
> In a remarkable essay, "10 Things That Every American Should Know About
> The Federal Reserve" by Michael T. Snyder, it is clear that the
> Constitution intended to have the U.S. Treasury to be soley responsible
> to "coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
> fix the Standard of Weights and Measures."
>
> Synder points out that the Federal Reserve System (the Fed) is a
> privately owned banking cartel and one granted the right to create
> money out of thin air.
>
> It is, says Synder "a perpetual debt machine because "whenever more
> money is created, more debt is created as well." On top of its ability
> to create money, the government then borrows it, increasing the cost to
> taxpayers by way of the interest that must be paid to the Fed.
>
> The government issues U.S. Treasury bonds with which to secure a loan
> from the Fed and it, in turn, sells them to others. Money from nothing;
> interest on that money, and earnings from the U.S. Treasury bonds it
> then sells!
> Synder noted that in fiscal 2011 the U.S. government paid out $454
> billion just in interest on the national debt. "The truth is that our
> current debt-based monetary system was designed by greedy bankers that
> wanted to make enormous profits by using the Federal Reserve as a tool to
> create
> money out of thin air and lend it to the U.S. government at interest."
>
> "On July 1, 1914 (a few months after the Fed was created) the U.S.
> national debt was $2.9 billion dollars. Today it is more than 5,000
> times larger."
> If Rep. Paul can convince enough people to end the Federal Reserve
> Americans might actually learn how many trillions it loans to "too big
> to fail" Wall Street banking institutions as well as to foreign banks,
> generally without oversight by the Congress.
>
> The previous Chairman of the Fed, Alan Greenspan, confessed to be
> totally astonished by the housing bubble that led to the 2008 financial
> crisis, His successor, Ben Bernanke, the current Chairman of the Fed,
> has been consistently wrong about the economy since taking office. In
> 2005 Bernanke said that housing prices had never declined on a
> nationwide basis and predicted full employment as far as the eye could
> see.
> Those mysterious financial instruments, derivatives, were perfectly safe
> said Bernanke.
>
> In 2008, he was still predicting housing prices would probably keep
> rising. In 2007 he saw no problem with the subprime mortgages that two
> "government sponsored entities", Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, kept
> pressuring banks to make. "A few months before Fannie Mae and Freddie
> Mac collapsed, Bernanke said 'The GSEs are adequately capitalized. They
> are in no danger of failing.'"
> Any CEO or CFO with a record like that would be out on the street
> looking for a job. And this man is still in charge of the Federal Reserve.
>
> The latest budget put forth by the Obama administration demonstrates the
> same level of incompetence and wishful thinking. "All the voters need
> to do is suspend belief for another nine months. And ignore the first
> four years," opined The Wall Street Journal.
>
> The budget essentially says that what a government that is deeply in
> debt---with the size of it growing daily---has to do is to borrow and
> spend more! And, oh yes, Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone and
> everything.
> While I would not vote for Rep. Paul to be President, I applaud his
> lonely campaign to get Americans to think about ridding the nation of
> the Federal Reserve and to begin exercising fiscal restraint before we
> become the next Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy or France.
>
> \ufffd Alan Caruba, 2012



Notroll2012
2012-02-23 22:26:15 EST


"G=EMC^2" wrote in message
news:4672d042-9452-4257-be0a-975abb975f10@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...

On Feb 23, 7:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A good reason to, at least, listen to Ron Paul.
>
> By Alan Caruba
>
> I have not been kind to Ron Paul and his participation in the Republican
> primary campaigns and it has taken me a while to understand why he is
> doing
> this. It is clear that he wants to be around to influence the Republican
> platform and the issue about which he is abundantly correct is the Federal
> Reserve.
>
> Anyone taking notice of Obama's latest budget has to conclude that his
> mission is to crash the nation's economy and turn America into a Socialist
> worker's paradise. The only problem is that Socialism has been a dismal
> failure everywhere it has been tried.
>
> One only has to look at the collapse of the Soviet Union for confirmation
> of
> that, the Chinese abandonment of Communist economic theory, and Obama's
> odd
> notion that a nation can spend itself out of ever-increasing debt.
>
> I am not a fan of Paul's isolationism, but he is absolutely right about
> getting rid of the Federal Reserve.
>
> Established in 1913, the same year income taxes were instituted, the
> Reserve
> is not part of the federal government. It is, in fact, privately owned by
> a
> consortium of banks and that might include foreign banks as well.

**********The stock of the 12 Federal Reserve Banks is owned by commercial
banks in each Reserve bank district. There is no foreign ownership. All
national banks and those **********state chartered back that choose to do so
are members of the Federal Reserve System and buy stock in their regional
Reserve bank in an amount based upon their **********capital. Large banks
own lots of stock - small banks own lesser amounts.
>
> In a remarkable essay, "10 Things That Every American Should Know About
> The
> Federal Reserve" by Michael T. Snyder, it is clear that the Constitution
> intended to have the U.S. Treasury to be soley responsible to "coin Money,
> regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of
> Weights and Measures."

**********Lower courts and the Supreme Court have ruled (many times) on this
issue.
>
> Synder points out that the Federal Reserve System (the Fed) is a privately
> owned banking cartel and one granted the right to create money out of thin
> air.

**********All central banks create money out of thin air. It's called
monetary policy.
>
> It is, says Synder "a perpetual debt machine because "whenever more money
> is
> created, more debt is created as well." On top of its ability to create
> money, the government then borrows it, increasing the cost to taxpayers by
> way of the interest that must be paid to the Fed.

***********Almost all of the Fed's "profits" are returned to the Treasury
every year.
>
> The government issues U.S. Treasury bonds with which to secure a loan from
> the Fed and it, in turn, sells them to others. Money from nothing;
> interest
> on that money, and earnings from the U.S. Treasury bonds it then sells!

************The opposite also occurs, contracting the money supply.
>
> Synder noted that in fiscal 2011 the U.S. government paid out $454 billion
> just in interest on the national debt. "The truth is that our current
> debt-based monetary system was designed by greedy bankers that wanted to
> make enormous profits by using the Federal Reserve as a tool to create
> money
> out of thin air and lend it to the U.S. government at interest."
>
> "On July 1, 1914 (a few months after the Fed was created) the U.S.
> national
> debt was $2.9 billion dollars. Today it is more than 5,000 times larger."
>
> If Rep. Paul can convince enough people to end the Federal Reserve
> Americans
> might actually learn how many trillions it loans to "too big to fail" Wall
> Street banking institutions as well as to foreign banks, generally without
> oversight by the Congress.
>
> The previous Chairman of the Fed, Alan Greenspan, confessed to be totally
> astonished by the housing bubble that led to the 2008 financial crisis,
> His
> successor, Ben Bernanke, the current Chairman of the Fed, has been
> consistently wrong about the economy since taking office. In 2005 Bernanke
> said that housing prices had never declined on a nationwide basis and
> predicted full employment as far as the eye could see.
>
> Those mysterious financial instruments, derivatives, were perfectly safe
> said Bernanke.
>
> In 2008, he was still predicting housing prices would probably keep
> rising.
> In 2007 he saw no problem with the subprime mortgages that two "government
> sponsored entities", Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, kept pressuring banks to
> make. "A few months before Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed, Bernanke
> said 'The GSEs are adequately capitalized. They are in no danger of
> failing.'"
>
> Any CEO or CFO with a record like that would be out on the street looking
> for a job. And this man is still in charge of the Federal Reserve.
>
> The latest budget put forth by the Obama administration demonstrates the
> same level of incompetence and wishful thinking. "All the voters need to
> do
> is suspend belief for another nine months. And ignore the first four
> years,"
> opined The Wall Street Journal.
>
> The budget essentially says that what a government that is deeply in
> debt---with the size of it growing daily---has to do is to borrow and
> spend
> more! And, oh yes, Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone and everything.
>
> While I would not vote for Rep. Paul to be President, I applaud his lonely
> campaign to get Americans to think about ridding the nation of the Federal
> Reserve and to begin exercising fiscal restraint before we become the next
> Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy or France.
>
> © Alan Caruba, 2012

Paul wants to restore democracy the other three are typical GOPers
that are crooks and double talkers. Last debate boring,ans Obama's
stock keeps going up. Time for Palin,and Trump. Godfather might go
with Rick Scott. He has the record for GOP stealing (!.7 billion)
TreBert

**************Ron Paul is no more going to abolish the Federal Reserve than
he is going to fly to the moon on one of Newt's rockets. He doesn't have
valid way to replace it with something that functions in the global economy.
No more gold standard crapola - it won't work. There isn't enough gold.


Larry Kroger
2012-02-24 01:11:04 EST
On 2/23/2012 4:44 PM, Hägar wrote:
> A good reason to, at least, listen to Ron Paul.
>
> By Alan Caruba
>
> While I would not vote for Rep. Paul to be President, I applaud his lonely
> campaign to get Americans to think about ridding the nation of the Federal
> Reserve and to begin exercising fiscal restraint before we become the next
> Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy or France.

I appreciate Ron Paul for the role he plays in raising awareness of the
squishy economics underlying the modern economy. I can't see Paul as
presidential timber, but he speaks of things that are in desperate need
of being addressed, and the vast majority of politicians prefer to
ignore them.

FWIW, a link to the original article:

http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2012/02/federal-reserve-rip-off.html


G=EMC^2
2012-02-24 04:24:43 EST
On Feb 23, 10:26 pm, "Notroll2012" <notroll2...@charter.net> wrote:
> "G=EMC^2"  wrote in message
>
> news:4672d042-9452-4257-be0a-975abb975f10@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Feb 23, 7:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > A good reason to, at least, listen to Ron Paul.
>
> > By Alan Caruba
>
> > I have not been kind to Ron Paul and his participation in the Republican
> > primary campaigns and it has taken me a while to understand why he is
> > doing
> > this. It is clear that he wants to be around to influence the Republican
> > platform and the issue about which he is abundantly correct is the Federal
> > Reserve.
>
> > Anyone taking notice of Obama's latest budget has to conclude that his
> > mission is to crash the nation's economy and turn America into a Socialist
> > worker's paradise. The only problem is that Socialism has been a dismal
> > failure everywhere it has been tried.
>
> > One only has to look at the collapse of the Soviet Union for confirmation
> > of
> > that, the Chinese abandonment of Communist economic theory, and Obama's
> > odd
> > notion that a nation can spend itself out of ever-increasing debt.
>
> > I am not a fan of Paul's isolationism, but he is absolutely right about
> > getting rid of the Federal Reserve.
>
> > Established in 1913, the same year income taxes were instituted, the
> > Reserve
> > is not part of the federal government. It is, in fact, privately owned by
> > a
> > consortium of banks and that might include foreign banks as well.
>
> **********The stock of the 12 Federal Reserve Banks is owned by commercial
> banks in each Reserve bank district.  There is no foreign ownership.  All
> national banks and those **********state chartered back that choose to do so
> are members of the Federal Reserve System and buy stock in their regional
> Reserve bank in an amount based upon their **********capital.  Large banks
> own lots of stock - small banks own lesser amounts.
>
>
>
> > In a remarkable essay, "10 Things That Every American Should Know About
> > The
> > Federal Reserve" by Michael T. Snyder, it is clear that the Constitution
> > intended to have the U.S. Treasury to be soley responsible to "coin Money,
> > regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of
> > Weights and Measures."
>
> **********Lower courts and the Supreme Court have ruled (many times) on this
> issue.
>
>
>
> > Synder points out that the Federal Reserve System (the Fed) is a privately
> > owned banking cartel and one granted the right to create money out of thin
> > air.
>
> **********All central banks create money out of thin air.  It's called
> monetary policy.
>
>
>
> > It is, says Synder "a perpetual debt machine because "whenever more money
> > is
> > created, more debt is created as well." On top of its ability to create
> > money, the government then borrows it, increasing the cost to taxpayers by
> > way of the interest that must be paid to the Fed.
>
> ***********Almost all of the Fed's "profits" are returned to the Treasury
> every year.
>
>
>
> > The government issues U.S. Treasury bonds with which to secure a loan from
> > the Fed and it, in turn, sells them to others. Money from nothing;
> > interest
> > on that money, and earnings from the U.S. Treasury bonds it then sells!
>
> ************The opposite also occurs, contracting the money supply.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Synder noted that in fiscal 2011 the U.S. government paid out $454 billion
> > just in interest on the national debt. "The truth is that our current
> > debt-based monetary system was designed by greedy bankers that wanted to
> > make enormous profits by using the Federal Reserve as a tool to create
> > money
> > out of thin air and lend it to the U.S. government at interest."
>
> > "On July 1, 1914 (a few months after the Fed was created) the U.S.
> > national
> > debt was $2.9 billion dollars. Today it is more than 5,000 times larger."
>
> > If Rep. Paul can convince enough people to end the Federal Reserve
> > Americans
> > might actually learn how many trillions it loans to "too big to fail" Wall
> > Street banking institutions as well as to foreign banks, generally without
> > oversight by the Congress.
>
> > The previous Chairman of the Fed, Alan Greenspan, confessed to be totally
> > astonished by the housing bubble that led to the 2008 financial crisis,
> > His
> > successor, Ben Bernanke, the current Chairman of the Fed, has been
> > consistently wrong about the economy since taking office. In 2005 Bernanke
> > said that housing prices had never declined on a nationwide basis and
> > predicted full employment as far as the eye could see.
>
> > Those mysterious financial instruments, derivatives, were perfectly safe
> > said Bernanke.
>
> > In 2008, he was still predicting housing prices would probably keep
> > rising.
> > In 2007 he saw no problem with the subprime mortgages that two "government
> > sponsored entities", Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, kept pressuring banks to
> > make. "A few months before Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed, Bernanke
> > said 'The GSEs are adequately capitalized. They are in no danger of
> > failing.'"
>
> > Any CEO or CFO with a record like that would be out on the street looking
> > for a job. And this man is still in charge of the Federal Reserve.
>
> > The latest budget put forth by the Obama administration demonstrates the
> > same level of incompetence and wishful thinking. "All the voters need to
> > do
> > is suspend belief for another nine months. And ignore the first four
> > years,"
> > opined The Wall Street Journal.
>
> > The budget essentially says that what a government that is deeply in
> > debt---with the size of it growing daily---has to do is to borrow and
> > spend
> > more! And, oh yes, Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone and everything.
>
> > While I would not vote for Rep. Paul to be President, I applaud his lonely
> > campaign to get Americans to think about ridding the nation of the Federal
> > Reserve and to begin exercising fiscal restraint before we become the next
> > Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy or France.
>
> > © Alan Caruba, 2012
>
> Paul wants to restore democracy the other three are typical GOPers
> that are crooks and double talkers.   Last debate boring,ans Obama's
> stock keeps going up.  Time for Palin,and Trump.  Godfather might go
> with Rick Scott.  He has the record for GOP stealing (!.7 billion)
> TreBert
>
> **************Ron Paul is no more going to abolish the Federal Reserve than
> he is going to fly to the moon on one of Newt's rockets.  He doesn't have
> valid way to replace it with something that functions in the global economy.
> No more gold standard crapola - it won't work.  There isn't enough gold.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Your post was informative. It begs this question. How did Bush get
China to loan us 1.3 trillion,at 4% ? Did he go to
congress.? Would the banks fail if they did not get 3.3 trillion to
bail them out? How did they pay it back so fast? Has GM paid back
the bucks they got? Thanks in advance TreBert

G=EMC^2
2012-02-24 04:30:56 EST
On Feb 24, 1:11 am, Larry Kroger <a...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 2/23/2012 4:44 PM, Hägar wrote:
>
> > A good reason to, at least, listen to Ron Paul.
>
> > By Alan Caruba
>
> > While I would not vote for Rep. Paul to be President, I applaud his lonely
> > campaign to get Americans to think about ridding the nation of the Federal
> > Reserve and to begin exercising fiscal restraint before we become the next
> > Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy or France.
>
> I appreciate Ron Paul for the role he plays in raising awareness of the
> squishy economics underlying the modern economy. I can't see Paul as
> presidential timber, but he speaks of things that are in desperate need
> of being addressed, and the vast majority of politicians prefer to
> ignore them.
>
> FWIW, a link to the original article:
>
> http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2012/02/federal-reserve-rip-off.html

Paul is a straight person. That is not true of the other three. They
are con men. Newt and Romney are despicable. Here in Massachusetts
Romney would be tared and feather TreBert

Clave
2012-02-24 04:58:06 EST
"G=EMC^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<...>

> Paul is a straight person. That is not true of the other three. They
> are con men.

3 con men vs. an honest white supremacist.

I love the GOP.

Jim





Hägar
2012-02-24 08:31:39 EST

"Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
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> Well. if we can get Alan Caruba to consider Ron Paul, surely Hagar will
> finally see the light soon.
>
> ......BTW Who is the F-ck is Alan Caruba ? And why should we care if he's
> finally admitting he was wrong ?


Who the fuck are you and why should anyone care what you have to say ???
At least he published SOMETHING ... right or wrong ,,, it is more than what
you have accomplished, you muff-diving diva ...



Hägar
2012-02-24 08:33:27 EST

"Clave" <clavius@the.monastery.com> wrote in message
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> "G=EMC^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:814cce39-b047-420c-b546-52c19497d86f@p12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> <...>
>
>> Paul is a straight person. That is not true of the other three. They
>> are con men.
>
> 3 con men vs. an honest white supremacist.
>
> I love the GOP.
>
> Jim

Clave, looks like your stupid pills are working wonders, you Liberal
slime-ball.
Remember: Liberalism is a Mental Disorder !!


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