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Hagar
2009-11-09 14:04:32 EST
Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of five (5) votes,
hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest boondoggle ever
perpetrated upon the American public.

Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide" victory for the
"hosing" of the American public and promptly wet her panties.

Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of pale, fully aware that
he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when the Senate votes on
this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out of a job, come 2010.

The chart below best illustrates the difference which separates the
stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains, hapless Liberal Loons:

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgfwg98t_119dkm4sghq




Notroll2009
2009-11-09 14:51:31 EST

"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
news:O-KdndSc6PRd-mXXnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Obama-Care passed the House by five (5) votes................

Yes it did. Thanks for making note of it. Yes, the margin was not great,
but it's pretty much the same as your parole board voting 3-2 to let you out
early.



Vtcapo
2009-11-11 07:36:32 EST
On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of five (5) votes,
> hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest boondoggle ever
> perpetrated upon the American public.
>
> Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide" victory for the
> "hosing" of the American public and promptly wet her panties.
>
> Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of pale, fully aware that
> he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when the Senate votes on
> this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out of a job, come 2010.
>
> The chart below best illustrates the difference which separates the
> stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains, hapless Liberal Loons:
>
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgfwg98t_119dkm4sghq

Hagar you know, ignorance becomes you. The stimulus is what’s keeping
the economy afloat. You can thank Obama for that. Healthcare will be
his legacy. You should be worrying about paying for our current system
that is already broken and on the verge of bankruptcy. You and Sgall
“don’t touch my healthcare” have no social conscience. You are as
morally corrupt as the insurance companies. What are you supporting?
A system that fails to insure 45 million and under insures countless
millions? A system that bankrupts its citizens? We don’t even have a
second rate system. Matter of fact in the industrialize world we are a
4th rate system and ranked 37th, if I’m not mistaken right behind bum
fuck Morocco.

There is plenty we can do to improve our system. There are many
successful models out there but our new system has to have these three
essential ingredients:

1. Everyone is guaranteed health insurance and no one can be denied
due to pre existing conditions.
2. Everyone (no opt outs) has to buy health insurance. The government
subsides the poor. In other words everyone pays his or her fair share.
3. The government fixes the amount that can be charged on ALL
procedures and is the payment hub. Bills go to the government and they
in turn pay the providers.

This can be done because it IS being done in Taiwan. And it cost 5.5%
of their GNP as compared to 16% in the US. Taiwan is able to do this
because they follow the above with one important wrinkle, their system
is totally automated. When you submit your med card after visiting the
doctor all the charges go to the government and they in turn pay the
provider. In other words a single payer system is what is making it
affordable. This is something Obama has preached about. Fix the
clerical system and you will save millions. And by the way, you want
to see a specialist, no waiting, no gatekeepers, no referrals. You
just go to the doctor of your choice. It can be done.

RT
PS Any politician who says it can't be done is a fucking liar and
needs to drummed out of office....

Hagar
2009-11-11 10:46:00 EST

"vtcapo" <vtcapo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d30692b3-f756-4974-8c4c-98f7853473a2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of five (5) votes,
> hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest boondoggle ever
> perpetrated upon the American public.
>
> Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide" victory for the
> "hosing" of the American public and promptly wet her panties.
>
> Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of pale, fully aware that
> he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when the Senate votes on
> this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out of a job, come 2010.
>
> The chart below best illustrates the difference which separates the
> stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains, hapless Liberal Loons:
>
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgfwg98t_119dkm4sghq

Hagar you know, ignorance becomes you. The stimulus is what\ufffds keeping
the economy afloat. You can thank Obama for that. Healthcare will be
his legacy. You should be worrying about paying for our current system
that is already broken and on the verge of bankruptcy. You and Sgall
\ufffddon\ufffdt touch my healthcare\ufffd have no social conscience. You are as
morally corrupt as the insurance companies. What are you supporting?
A system that fails to insure 45 million and under insures countless
millions? A system that bankrupts its citizens? We don\ufffdt even have a
second rate system. Matter of fact in the industrialize world we are a
4th rate system and ranked 37th, if I\ufffdm not mistaken right behind bum
fuck Morocco.

There is plenty we can do to improve our system. There are many
successful models out there but our new system has to have these three
essential ingredients:

1. Everyone is guaranteed health insurance and no one can be denied
due to pre existing conditions.
2. Everyone (no opt outs) has to buy health insurance. The government
subsides the poor. In other words everyone pays his or her fair share.
3. The government fixes the amount that can be charged on ALL
procedures and is the payment hub. Bills go to the government and they
in turn pay the providers.

This can be done because it IS being done in Taiwan. And it cost 5.5%
of their GNP as compared to 16% in the US. Taiwan is able to do this
because they follow the above with one important wrinkle, their system
is totally automated. When you submit your med card after visiting the
doctor all the charges go to the government and they in turn pay the
provider. In other words a single payer system is what is making it
affordable. This is something Obama has preached about. Fix the
clerical system and you will save millions. And by the way, you want
to see a specialist, no waiting, no gatekeepers, no referrals. You
just go to the doctor of your choice. It can be done.

RT
PS Any politician who says it can't be done is a fucking liar and
needs to drummed out of office....

************************************
vtcrappo, I expected no less form you, proving once again that Liberals
can wander through life with their heads buried firmly up their asses.
Yes there are problems with our healthcare system.
Yes, there are ways to fix it without any cost to anyone, with the
exception of the re-election coffers of our corrupt politicians, on both
sides of the aisle. I don't want to flog a dead horse, but tort reform and
forcing Insurance Companies to compete across state lines would resolve
95% of the present problems and save money to cover the < 10 million
uninsured, two thirds of whom don't have insurance by choice.
But our elected officials, with the support of whiners and under-achievers
like you and your trough-feeding ilk, you'd rather wreck the system and
re-build it from the ground up at twice the cost and double the taxes we
presently pay, thus making it far more expensive for the 85% of the
people who are happy with their health care insurance, so that the
remaining 15% of the Nation's losers can get a free ride. And if you don't
get insurance you will be fined and/or go to jail ????
That's fucking EXTORTION.
Regarding Obama's legacy, it will have to jockey for space, in the
basement, next to the legacy trophies accumulated by Jimmy Carter.
But not to worry, vtcrappo, the Healthbill will be DOA in the Senate.
The one thing politicians fear more than not passing a bill, any bill, even
Obama's, Nancy's and Harry's pipedream, is to lose their position in
life to vote on these things in the first place.



Vtcapo
2009-11-11 12:51:07 EST
On Nov 11, 10:46 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d30692b3-f756-4974-8c4c-98f7853473a2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> > Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of five (5) votes,
> > hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest boondoggle ever
> > perpetrated upon the American public.
>
> > Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide" victory for the
> > "hosing" of the American public and promptly wet her panties.
>
> > Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of pale, fully aware that
> > he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when the Senate votes on
> > this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out of a job, come 2010.
>
> > The chart below best illustrates the difference which separates the
> > stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains, hapless Liberal Loons:
>
> >http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgfwg98t_119dkm4sghq
>
> Hagar you know, ignorance becomes you. The stimulus is what’s keeping
> the economy afloat. You can thank Obama for that.  Healthcare will be
> his legacy. You should be worrying about paying for our current system
> that is already broken and on the verge of bankruptcy. You and Sgall
> “don’t touch my healthcare” have no social conscience. You are as
> morally corrupt as the insurance companies. What are you supporting?
> A system that fails to insure 45 million and under insures countless
> millions? A system that bankrupts its citizens? We don’t even have a
> second rate system. Matter of fact in the industrialize world we are a
> 4th rate system and ranked 37th, if I’m not mistaken right behind bum
> fuck Morocco.
>
> There is plenty we can do to improve our system. There are many
> successful models out there but our new system has to have these three
> essential ingredients:
>
> 1. Everyone is guaranteed health insurance and no one can be denied
> due to pre existing conditions.
> 2. Everyone (no opt outs) has to buy health insurance. The government
> subsides the poor. In other words everyone pays his or her fair share.
> 3. The government fixes the amount that can be charged on ALL
> procedures and is the payment hub. Bills go to the government and they
> in turn pay the providers.
>
> This can be done because it IS being done in Taiwan. And it cost 5.5%
> of their GNP as compared to 16% in the US.  Taiwan is able to do this
> because they follow the above with one important wrinkle, their system
> is totally automated. When you submit your med card after visiting the
> doctor all the charges go to the government and they in turn pay the
> provider.  In other words a single payer system is what is making it
> affordable. This is something Obama has preached about. Fix the
> clerical system and you will save millions.   And by the way, you want
> to see a specialist, no waiting, no gatekeepers, no referrals. You
> just go to the doctor of your choice. It can be done.
>
> RT
> PS Any politician who says it can't be done is a fucking liar and
> needs to drummed out of office....
>
>         ************************************
> vtcrappo, I expected no less form you, proving once again that Liberals
> can wander through life with their heads buried firmly up their asses.
> Yes there are problems with our healthcare system.
> Yes, there are ways to fix it without any cost to anyone, with the
> exception of the re-election coffers of our corrupt politicians, on both
> sides of the aisle.  I don't want to flog a dead horse, but tort reform and
> forcing Insurance Companies to compete across state lines would resolve
> 95% of the present problems and save money to cover the < 10 million
> uninsured, two thirds of whom don't have insurance by choice.
> But our elected officials, with the support of whiners and under-achievers
> like you and your trough-feeding ilk, you'd rather wreck the system and
> re-build it from the ground up at twice the cost and double the taxes we
> presently pay, thus making it far more expensive for the 85% of the
> people who are happy with their health care insurance, so that the
> remaining 15% of the Nation's losers can get a free ride. And if you don't
> get insurance you will be fined and/or go to jail ????
> That's fucking EXTORTION.
> Regarding Obama's legacy, it will have to jockey for space, in the
> basement, next to the legacy trophies accumulated by Jimmy Carter.
> But not to worry, vtcrappo, the Healthbill will be DOA in the Senate.
> The one thing politicians fear more than not passing a bill, any bill, even
> Obama's, Nancy's and Harry's pipedream, is to lose their position in
> life to vote on these things in the first place.

Read it and then go bugger Sgall. Maybe you'll catch a social
disease......

Each has a health care system that delivers health care for everyone
-- but with remarkable differences.
Related Readings
Graphs: U.S. Health Stats Compared to Other Countries
Health Care Systems -- The Four Basic Models
United Kingdom
An interview with an expert on the UK's system +Percentage of Gross
Domestic Product (GDP) spent on health care: 8.3

Average family premium: None; funded by taxation.

Co-payments: None for most services; some co-pays for dental care,
eyeglasses and 5 percent of prescriptions. Young people and the
elderly are exempt from all drug co-pays.

What is it? The British system is "socialized medicine" because the
government both provides and pays for health care. Britons pay taxes
for health care, and the government-run National Health Service (NHS)
distributes those funds to health care providers. Hospital doctors are
paid salaries. General practitioners (GPs), who run private practices,
are paid based on the number of patients they see. A small number of
specialists work outside the NHS and see private-pay patients.

How does it work? Because the system is funded through taxes,
administrative costs are low; there are no bills to collect or claims
to review. Patients have a "medical home" in their GP, who also serves
as a gatekeeper to the rest of the system; patients must see their GP
before going to a specialist. GPs, who are paid extra for keeping
their patients healthy, are instrumental in preventive care, an area
in which Britain is a world leader.

What are the concerns? The stereotype of socialized medicine -- long
waits and limited choice -- still has some truth. In response, the
British government has instituted reforms to help make care more
competitive and give patients more choice. Hospitals now compete for
NHS funds distributed by local Primary Care Trusts, and starting in
April 2008 patients are able to choose where they want to be treated
for many procedures.

Japan

An interview with an expert on Japan's system +Percentage of GDP spent
on health care: 8

Average family premium: $280 per month, with employers paying more
than half.

Co-payments: 30 percent of the cost of a procedure, but the total
amount paid in a month is capped according to income.

What is it? Japan uses a "social insurance" system in which all
citizens are required to have health insurance, either through their
work or purchased from a nonprofit, community-based plan. Those who
can't afford the premiums receive public assistance. Most health
insurance is private; doctors and almost all hospitals are in the
private sector.

How does it work? Japan boasts some of the best health statistics in
the world, no doubt due in part to the Japanese diet and lifestyle.
Unlike the U.K., there are no gatekeepers; the Japanese can go to any
specialist when and as often as they like. Every two years the
Ministry of Health negotiates with physicians to set the price for
every procedure. This helps keeps costs down.

What are the concerns? In fact, Japan has been so successful at
keeping costs down that Japan now spends too little on health care;
half of the hospitals in Japan are operating in the red. Having no
gatekeepers means there's no check on how often the Japanese use
health care, and patients may lack a medical home.

Germany

An interview with an expert on Germany's system +Percentage of GDP
spent on health care: 10.7

Average family premium: $750 per month; premiums are pegged to
patients' income.

Co-payments: 10 euros ($15) every three months; some patients, like
pregnant women, are exempt.

What is it? Germany, like Japan, uses a social insurance model. In
fact, Germany is the birthplace of social insurance, which dates back
to Chancellor Otto von Bismarck. But unlike the Japanese, who get
insurance from work or are assigned to a community fund, Germans are
free to buy their insurance from one of more than 200 private,
nonprofit "sickness funds." As in Japan, the poor receive public
assistance to pay their premiums.

How does it work? Sickness funds are nonprofit and cannot deny
coverage based on preexisting conditions; they compete with each other
for members, and fund managers are paid based on the size of their
enrollments. Like Japan, Germany is a single-payment system, but
instead of the government negotiating the prices, the sickness funds
bargain with doctors as a group. Germans can go straight to a
specialist without first seeing a gatekeeper doctor, but they may pay
a higher co-pay if they do.

What are the concerns? The single-payment system leaves some German
doctors feeling underpaid. A family doctor in Germany makes about two-
thirds as much as he or she would in America. (Then again, German
doctors pay much less for malpractice insurance, and many attend
medical school for free.) Germany also lets the richest 10 percent opt
out of the sickness funds in favor of U.S.-style for-profit insurance.
These patients are generally seen more quickly by doctors, because the
for-profit insurers pay doctors more than the sickness funds.

Taiwan

An interview with an expert on Taiwan's system +Percentage GDP spent
on health care: 6.3

Average family premium: $650 per year for a family for four.

Co-payments: 20 percent of the cost of drugs, up to $6.50; up to $7
for outpatient care; $1.80 for dental and traditional Chinese
medicine. There are exemptions for major diseases, childbirth,
preventive services, and for the poor, veterans, and children.

What is it? Taiwan adopted a "National Health Insurance" model in 1995
after studying other countries' systems. Like Japan and Germany, all
citizens must have insurance, but there is only one, government-run
insurer. Working people pay premiums split with their employers;
others pay flat rates with government help; and some groups, like the
poor and veterans, are fully subsidized. The resulting system is
similar to Canada's -- and the U.S. Medicare program.

How does it work? Taiwan's new health system extended insurance to the
40 percent of the population that lacked it while actually decreasing
the growth of health care spending. The Taiwanese can see any doctor
without a referral. Every citizen has a smart card, which is used to
store his or her medical history and bill the national insurer. The
system also helps public health officials monitor standards and effect
policy changes nationwide. Thanks to this use of technology and the
country's single insurer, Taiwan's health care system has the lowest
administrative costs in the world.

What are the concerns? Like Japan, Taiwan's system is not taking in
enough money to cover the medical care it provides. The problem is
compounded by politics, because it is up to Taiwan's parliament to
approve an increase in insurance premiums, which it has only done once
since the program was enacted.

Switzerland

An interview with an expert on Switzerland's system +Percentage of GDP
spent on health care: 11.6

Average monthly family premium: $750, paid entirely by consumers;
there are government subsidies for low-income citizens.

Co-payments: 10 percent of the cost of services, up to $420 per year.

What is it? The Swiss system is social insurance like in Japan and
Germany, voted in by a national referendum in 1994. Switzerland didn't
have far to go to achieve universal coverage; 95 percent of the
population already had voluntary insurance when the law was passed.
All citizens are required to have coverage; those not covered were
automatically assigned to a company. The government provides
assistance to those who can't afford the premiums.

How does it work? The Swiss example shows that universal coverage is
possible, even in a highly capitalist nation with powerful insurance
and pharmaceutical industries. Insurance companies are not allowed to
make a profit on basic care and are prohibited from cherry-picking
only young and healthy applicants. They can make money on supplemental
insurance, however. As in Germany, the insurers negotiate with
providers to set standard prices for services, but drug prices are set
by the government.

What are the concerns? The Swiss system is the second most expensive
in the world -- but it's still far cheaper than U.S. health care. Drug
prices are still slightly higher than in other European nations, and
even then the discounts may be subsidized by the more expensive U.S.
market, where some Swiss drug companies make one-third of their
profits. In general, the Swiss do not have gatekeeper doctors,
although some insurance plans require them or give a discount to
consumers who use them.


Hagar
2009-11-11 14:03:42 EST

"vtcapo" <vtcapo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7d359c1c-7d46-449e-a9e6-f53dd60df990@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 11, 10:46 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d30692b3-f756-4974-8c4c-98f7853473a2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> > Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of five (5) votes,
> > hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest boondoggle ever
> > perpetrated upon the American public.
>
> > Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide" victory for the
> > "hosing" of the American public and promptly wet her panties.
>
> > Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of pale, fully aware that
> > he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when the Senate votes on
> > this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out of a job, come 2010.
>
> > The chart below best illustrates the difference which separates the
> > stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains, hapless Liberal Loons:

< snip vtcrappo drivel >

Some other differences: Most other countries speak another language.
(at times I think the Brits do too)

Have you asked anyone in your "healthcare" havens how much taxes
they pay for the privilege of standing in line for months ??

Have you asked anyone how much taxes are extorted form them for
all those other "free-bees" ? You keep saying "Their Government
provides ..." where the fuck do you think their Governments get the
money from ... aha ... they extort it from its citizenry ... or simply
print it, like Obama.

All I can tell you is this: every person who has a marketable skill
and is gainfully employed, also has insurance in this here country.
The deadbeats, who chose to spend their formative years in
pool halls, playing computer games all live long day and getting
blitzed on drugs, just to wake up one fine morning next to a
pregnant hussy and discover, much to their dismay, that they
have no skills whatsoever to support themselves, much less a
pregnant, hooked on dope girl-fiend [sic], for them I cannot
muster any sympathy.
Even those losers who went to liberal schools to study
vtcrapo's fuzzy math and the fine art of murdering the English
language ... ditto.

Companies are here to make money. A by-product of that
activity is jobs, for which they expect to find educated
employees, after all, their corporate taxes pay for schools
etc to provide these educated folks. However, the unions
and the Liberals suddenly see the golden goose of Business
as the enemy of the downtrodden (the dopers, hookers and
just plain lazy fucktards) and want to save them from the evil
and greedy providers of jobs ... companies may be, to some
degree, guilty of mismanagement, but it was the Liberal Loons
like Barney Frank and cohorts, who were too busy stuffing their
corrupt pockets with the ill-gotten gains of bribery, aka re-election
campaign funds, to turn a blind eye those company's corrupt
book-keeping activities, provided by these evil Business bitches,
to keep them on the straight and narrow path of semi-honesty.
If you love the punctuality and cost effectiveness of Amtrak, the
US Post Office and, locally, the DMV, yes, then you would love
these losers running everything else as well, for you are a lame-
brained retard, just the kind of person politicians so love, adore.
and cater to, with promises of ever more free-bees.

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's
vote ... but eventually you'll also run out of Peter's money ...
of course, in your world, it's Peter's fault.




Notroll2009
2009-11-11 15:39:27 EST

"vtcapo" <vtcapo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 11, 10:46 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d30692b3-f756-4974-8c4c-98f7853473a2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> > Obama-Care passed the House ..............


Hagar is concerned that the Voodoo witch doctor who provides possum entrails
for medicinal purposes to his trailer park will not be compensated under
either the House or Senate health care bills. Hagar would then have to
suffer the embarrassment of having to wait in line at the county free clinic
to have his STDs treated.



Vtcapo
2009-11-11 16:49:10 EST
On Nov 11, 2:03 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7d359c1c-7d46-449e-a9e6-f53dd60df990@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 11, 10:46 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d30692b3-f756-4974-8c4c-98f7853473a2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> > > Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of five (5) votes,
> > > hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest boondoggle ever
> > > perpetrated upon the American public.
>
> > > Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide" victory for the
> > > "hosing" of the American public and promptly wet her panties.
>
> > > Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of pale, fully aware that
> > > he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when the Senate votes on
> > > this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out of a job, come 2010.
>
> > > The chart below best illustrates the difference which separates the
> > > stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains, hapless Liberal Loons:
>
> < snip vtcrappo drivel >
>
> Some other differences:  Most other countries speak another language.
> (at times I think the Brits do too)
>
> Have you asked anyone in your "healthcare" havens how much taxes
> they pay for the privilege of standing in line for months ??
>
> Have you asked anyone how much taxes are extorted form them for
> all those other "free-bees" ?  You keep saying "Their Government
> provides ..." where the fuck do you think their Governments get the
> money from ... aha ... they extort it from its citizenry ... or simply
> print it, like Obama.
>
> All I can tell you is this: every person who has a marketable skill
> and is gainfully employed, also has insurance in this here country.
> The deadbeats, who chose to spend their formative years in
> pool halls, playing computer games all live long day and getting
> blitzed on drugs, just to wake up one fine morning next to a
> pregnant hussy and discover, much to their dismay, that they
> have no skills whatsoever to support themselves, much less a
> pregnant, hooked on dope girl-fiend [sic], for them I cannot
> muster any sympathy.
> Even those losers who went to liberal schools to study
> vtcrapo's fuzzy math and the fine art of murdering the English
> language ... ditto.
>
> Companies are here to make money.  A by-product of that
> activity is jobs, for which they expect to find educated
> employees,  after all, their corporate taxes pay for schools
> etc to provide these educated folks.  However, the unions
> and the Liberals suddenly see the golden goose of Business
> as the enemy of the downtrodden (the dopers, hookers and
> just plain lazy fucktards) and want to save them from the evil
> and greedy providers of jobs ... companies may be, to some
> degree, guilty of mismanagement, but it was the Liberal Loons
> like Barney Frank and cohorts, who were too busy stuffing their
> corrupt pockets with the ill-gotten gains of bribery, aka re-election
> campaign funds, to turn a blind eye those company's corrupt
> book-keeping activities,  provided by these evil Business bitches,
> to keep them on the straight and narrow path of semi-honesty.
> If you love the punctuality and cost effectiveness of Amtrak, the
> US Post Office and, locally, the DMV, yes, then you would love
> these losers running everything else as well, for you are a lame-
> brained retard, just the kind of person politicians so love, adore.
> and cater to, with promises of ever more free-bees.
>
> If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's
> vote ... but eventually you'll also run out of Peter's money ...
> of course, in your world, it's Peter's fault.

You are one obstinate son of a bitch and I’m not going waste my time
debating you point for point. I will let this Frontline Special do my
talking.
What’s broke is broke and if you were intelligent enough to do the
research you would realize that we have some excellent models to
choose from.

You and Sgall are all about protecting your own. My healthcare plan
which I will pay approx. $250/month is something I would like to keep.
But I know that it is only a matter of time before my current policy
will not be sustainable. We almost lost substantial coverage this
year when the School Board wanted to go with Blue Cross Blue Shield to
cut costs. We, the teachers and the Union prevailed this time. What
about next time? It’s time to shit or get off the pot. It’s time you
socially and morally bankrupt rightards wise up.

For Health reform to be a true success we should have a plan
comparable to one of these models. Anything less and the American
public is getting short changed ……………

ttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/view/

RT

§nühw¤£f
2009-11-12 11:23:04 EST
vtcapo <vtcapo@gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile of
news:ea96b69f-b090-44f9-9703-29e3685a2c87@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 11, 2:03\ufffdpm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:7d359c1c-7d46-449e-a9e6-f53dd60df990@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.c
>> om... On Nov 11, 10:46 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:d30692b3-f756-4974-8c4c-98f7853473a2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.
>> >com..
> .
>> > On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>>
>> > > Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of five (5)
>> > > votes, hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest
>> > > boondoggle ever perpetrated upon the American public.
>>
>> > > Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide" victory for
>> > > the "hosing" of the American public and promptly wet her
>> > > panties.
>>
>> > > Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of pale, fully aware
>> > > that he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when the Senate
>> > > votes on this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out of a
>> > > job, come 2010.
>>
>> > > The chart below best illustrates the difference which separates
>> > > the stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains, hapless
>> > > Liberal Loon
> s:
>>
>> < snip vtcrappo drivel >
>>
>> Some other differences: \ufffdMost other countries speak another
>> language. (at times I think the Brits do too)
>>
>> Have you asked anyone in your "healthcare" havens how much taxes
>> they pay for the privilege of standing in line for months ??
>>
>> Have you asked anyone how much taxes are extorted form them for
>> all those other "free-bees" ? \ufffdYou keep saying "Their Government
>> provides ..." where the fuck do you think their Governments get the
>> money from ... aha ... they extort it from its citizenry ... or
>> simply print it, like Obama.
>>
>> All I can tell you is this: every person who has a marketable skill
>> and is gainfully employed, also has insurance in this here country.
>> The deadbeats, who chose to spend their formative years in
>> pool halls, playing computer games all live long day and getting
>> blitzed on drugs, just to wake up one fine morning next to a
>> pregnant hussy and discover, much to their dismay, that they
>> have no skills whatsoever to support themselves, much less a
>> pregnant, hooked on dope girl-fiend [sic], for them I cannot
>> muster any sympathy.
>> Even those losers who went to liberal schools to study
>> vtcrapo's fuzzy math and the fine art of murdering the English
>> language ... ditto.
>>
>> Companies are here to make money. \ufffdA by-product of that
>> activity is jobs, for which they expect to find educated
>> employees, \ufffdafter all, their corporate taxes pay for schools
>> etc to provide these educated folks. \ufffdHowever, the unions
>> and the Liberals suddenly see the golden goose of Business
>> as the enemy of the downtrodden (the dopers, hookers and
>> just plain lazy fucktards) and want to save them from the evil
>> and greedy providers of jobs ... companies may be, to some
>> degree, guilty of mismanagement, but it was the Liberal Loons
>> like Barney Frank and cohorts, who were too busy stuffing their
>> corrupt pockets with the ill-gotten gains of bribery, aka
>> re-election campaign funds, to turn a blind eye those company's
>> corrupt book-keeping activities, \ufffdprovided by these evil Business
>> bitches, to keep them on the straight and narrow path of
>> semi-honesty. If you love the punctuality and cost effectiveness of
>> Amtrak, the US Post Office and, locally, the DMV, yes, then you
>> would love these losers running everything else as well, for you
>> are a lame- brained retard, just the kind of person politicians so
>> love, adore. and cater to, with promises of ever more free-bees.
>>
>> If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's
>> vote ... but eventually you'll also run out of Peter's money ...
>> of course, in your world, it's Peter's fault.
>
> You are one obstinate son of a bitch and I\ufffdm not going waste my time
> debating you point for point. I will let this Frontline Special do
> my talking.
> What\ufffds broke is broke and if you were intelligent enough to do the
> research you would realize that we have some excellent models to
> choose from.
>
> You and Sgall are all about protecting your own. My healthcare plan
> which I will pay approx. $250/month is something I would like to
> keep. But I know that it is only a matter of time before my current
> policy will not be sustainable. We almost lost substantial coverage
> this year when the School Board wanted to go with Blue Cross Blue
> Shield to cut costs. We, the teachers and the Union prevailed this
> time. What about next time? It\ufffds time to shit or get off the pot.
> It\ufffds time you socially and morally bankrupt rightards wise up.
>
> For Health reform to be a true success we should have a plan
> comparable to one of these models. Anything less and the American
> public is getting short changed \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd
>
> ttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/view/
>
> RT
>

Even if we do manage to pass "reform" of health care we're going to be
served 3rd rate 3rd world coverage compared to *real* modern developed
countries:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/?p=14206

Norway can do it but *we* cant?
Fuckin LULZ!
We suck.

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H.
2009-11-12 11:25:00 EST

"vtcapo" <vtcapo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ea96b69f-b090-44f9-9703-29e3685a2c87@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 11, 2:03 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7d359c1c-7d46-449e-a9e6-f53dd60df990@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 11, 10:46 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d30692b3-f756-4974-8c4c-98f7853473a2@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 9, 2:04 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> > > Obama-Care passed the House by the huge margin of
> > > five (5) votes,
> > > hardly the much touted "mandate" for the biggest
> > > boondoggle ever
> > > perpetrated upon the American public.
>
> > > Botox Nancy immediately declared it a "Landslide"
> > > victory for the
> > > "hosing" of the American public and promptly wet
> > > her panties.
>
> > > Four-eyed Harry turned several more shades of
> > > pale, fully aware that
> > > he will be in for the biggest ass-spanking when
> > > the Senate votes on
> > > this abortion, not to mention that he'll be out
> > > of a job, come 2010.
>
> > > The chart below best illustrates the difference
> > > which separates the
> > > stalwart Conservatives from the shit-for-brains,
> > > hapless Liberal Loons:
>
> < snip vtcrappo drivel >
>
> Some other differences: Most other countries speak
> another language.
> (at times I think the Brits do too)
>
> Have you asked anyone in your "healthcare" havens how
> much taxes
> they pay for the privilege of standing in line for
> months ??
>
> Have you asked anyone how much taxes are extorted
> form them for
> all those other "free-bees" ? You keep saying "Their
> Government
> provides ..." where the fuck do you think their
> Governments get the
> money from ... aha ... they extort it from its
> citizenry ... or simply
> print it, like Obama.
>
> All I can tell you is this: every person who has a
> marketable skill
> and is gainfully employed, also has insurance in this
> here country.
> The deadbeats, who chose to spend their formative
> years in
> pool halls, playing computer games all live long day
> and getting
> blitzed on drugs, just to wake up one fine morning
> next to a
> pregnant hussy and discover, much to their dismay,
> that they
> have no skills whatsoever to support themselves, much
> less a
> pregnant, hooked on dope girl-fiend [sic], for them I
> cannot
> muster any sympathy.
> Even those losers who went to liberal schools to
> study
> vtcrapo's fuzzy math and the fine art of murdering
> the English
> language ... ditto.
>
> Companies are here to make money. A by-product of
> that
> activity is jobs, for which they expect to find
> educated
> employees, after all, their corporate taxes pay for
> schools
> etc to provide these educated folks. However, the
> unions
> and the Liberals suddenly see the golden goose of
> Business
> as the enemy of the downtrodden (the dopers, hookers
> and
> just plain lazy fucktards) and want to save them from
> the evil
> and greedy providers of jobs ... companies may be, to
> some
> degree, guilty of mismanagement, but it was the
> Liberal Loons
> like Barney Frank and cohorts, who were too busy
> stuffing their
> corrupt pockets with the ill-gotten gains of bribery,
> aka re-election
> campaign funds, to turn a blind eye those company's
> corrupt
> book-keeping activities, provided by these evil
> Business bitches,
> to keep them on the straight and narrow path of
> semi-honesty.
> If you love the punctuality and cost effectiveness of
> Amtrak, the
> US Post Office and, locally, the DMV, yes, then you
> would love
> these losers running everything else as well, for you
> are a lame-
> brained retard, just the kind of person politicians
> so love, adore.
> and cater to, with promises of ever more free-bees.
>
> If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on
> Paul's
> vote ... but eventually you'll also run out of
> Peter's money ...
> of course, in your world, it's Peter's fault.

You are one obstinate son of a bitch and I\ufffdm not going
waste my time
debating you point for point. I will let this
Frontline Special do my
talking.
What\ufffds broke is broke and if you were intelligent
enough to do the
research you would realize that we have some excellent
models to
choose from.

You and Sgall are all about protecting your own. My
healthcare plan
which I will pay approx. $250/month is something I
would like to keep.
But I know that it is only a matter of time before my
current policy
will not be sustainable. We almost lost substantial
coverage this
year when the School Board wanted to go with Blue Cross
Blue Shield to
cut costs. We, the teachers and the Union prevailed
this time. What
about next time? It\ufffds time to shit or get off the pot.
It\ufffds time you
socially and morally bankrupt rightards wise up.

For Health reform to be a true success we should have a
plan
comparable to one of these models. Anything less and
the American
public is getting short changed \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd

ttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/view/

RT
================================================

Of course you won't waste your time debating his
points, you cannot.
Besides that you are one stupid fool.
H.


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